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Espiya Newstand (Current Events, Classifieds, Events) => Current Events => : docalbert July 07, 2009, 11:42:11 PM
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Don't get me wrong. I am happy for what they have achieved. But there is a thin line between being happy and being proud. As a music fan, I have always been critical about the feat of Arnel Pineda and Charice Pempengco. I see their accomplishments as unsatisfactory, if not reeking cheap imitation of other foreign artists. Add to the fact that I am quite disturbed on Filipinos' penchant for over gratification about anything that is characteristically tacky, shallow, and short-lived. This is not a case of crab mentality. Maybe it is just my nature to strive for excellence and originality. Because of this, I really find it hard to be proud of two Filipinos strongly regarded in their country as "international superstars" when in fact, he and she are just singing other people's songs.
Luck more than talent is probably what made these two singers hit the big time as both were discovered via You Tube. The case of Arnel Pineda does not take rocket science to understand. Journey had its heydays as a world renown musical group under Steve Perry. Arnel's singing style happen to have an uncanny resemblance to the said original frontman. Wanting to resurrect their long forgotten careers, the remaining band members tapped the services of Arnel, probably hoping that a Steve Perry rip-off could bring back Journey to its glory years. Strutting your wares with a not-so-famous band (a "has been" if you allow me to be harsh) while performing their old hits that were more of a trademark to its original lead singer does not necesarily spell Pinoy pride in my part. When one is chosen to be the new vocalist of a band for the sole reason that he sounded exactly like their former frontman, it vaguely reveals mediocrity.
In early 2008, I wrote a blog about Charice on how she is just a product of media hype. A year has passed and Charice has not proven me wrong. Her immense popularity is still based solely on the intensive marketing, push and publicities by her mother studio, ABS CBN (her albums became bestsellers basically just because of this.) She is still singing songs of Celine Dion, Beyonce, Mariah Carey, and now Michael Jackson. A 2nd album (still made up of revivals by the way) after, she has not still come up with any signature hit. So it is nothing but wishful thinking that Charice is or can become an international superstar when even in her home turf, she cannot generate a repertoire of her own hit music. Her entertainment value singly lies on her good lung capacity despite the small stature. I may sound cruel but to keep it real: stardom is far fetched for a teenager who performs songs that do not suit her age. For a 17 year old singer with a child-like physique who sings nothing but high octane birit songs of old people, the closest she can get in the international market is merely as a sideshow attraction.
Realistically speaking, Arnel and Charice are just glorified lounge singers (one who does cover songs in clubs) who happen to have a bigger stage. Colombia has Shakira. Ireland has U2 and The Corrs. Japan has Utada Hikaru. Australia has AC/DC and Silverchair. Puerto Rico has Ricky Martin. Korea has BoA and Rain. The big difference of these non-American international singing superstars from Arnel and Charice is that they have penetrated the world music arena based on their craft that spawns originality, inventiveness, and creativity. I wish for that day that the Philippines will have its own representative--- an artist in the truest sense of the word. Someone who will not just sing songs popularized by other people. Someone who can show his or her Pinoy musical ingenuity by creating music and sharing it to the whole world. And for that someone, I will be truly proud of.
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nice insight... toast::
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crab mentality pa rin ::lmao
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I am to im not proud of Charice Pempengco but not Arnel Pineda.... I dont like The Singing Voice Of Charice its so pangit and Very OA... Yun Lang Po.... But Still Im Proud to be Filipino kahit wala sila.....
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I see the p0int...p0int!
@ thedarkknight...i sec0nd dem0ny0!
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flop naman yung concert ni charice eh...saka sa totoo lang di maappreciate ng pinoy yung mga kanta nya..pilit nagpapaka adult ng boses ...
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sinabi na ni freddie aguilar to sa pep e..
http://www.pep.ph/news/22360/Freddie-Aguilar-says-Charice-and-Arnel-Pineda-prove-that-Filipinos-are-monkeys
sana maging masaya na lang tayo sakanila..tutal pinaghirapan naman nila yung mga natamu nilang tagumpay..
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hey doc, moymoypalaboy had already composed and sang original songs in their UPLOADED album yet still you're a non-believer in their talents. You're also a non-believer in Arnel and Charice because they never composed an original song...ano ba talaga doc, all I see is you being a hypocrite tsk tsk tsk smoking::
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guys,kanya kanya pong opinion yan...if you dont like his opinion,then give your own....don't lambast the person that doesnt adhere to your opinion...ok....
wag po mag-sabi ng bad thing sa co-espiya.....
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"occurs when a person lacks another’s (perceived) superior quality, achievement, or possession and either desires it or wishes that the other lacked it."
The emphasis of the essay is to belittle the achievements of the mentioned people. There's a big difference when you say "They can only sing their lungs out. They don't even have original compositions" and "They have yet to be given the opportunity to showcase their song writing skills.".
@ssbongbong - And that would be a perfect world. Sadly, people would rather use one's weakness to get back that lost confidence.
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If only both Charice and Arnel would do originals. That would really make us proud.
Charice's voice is starting to sound like noise, and she is very overrated.
Arnel, though touted as a clone, has his own style and flavor. again, if only he would do an original...
Para mawala na yung tags sa Filipinos as copycats.
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I agree to the thread starter even to Freddie Aguilar masasayang lang ang mga career nila sa International kung imitation lang ang gagawin nila pero sa Pinas hindi syempre tyak ipopromote yan ng ABS or some tv station parang FAD lang yan (hindi flesh asia daily) na sikat ka ngayon kapag nagsawa na maglalaho ka na lang
mas maganda habang nandyan sila sa international market makagawa sana sila ng original composition
dati hype na hype sila sa Pinas ngayon parang wala lang hindi ko na naririnig nagpapatugtug ang mga nagbebenta ng cd uso ngayon si Lady GAGA tsaka si taylor na kumanta ng love story
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gawing steping stone yun kasikatan nila ngayon sa amerika to promote filipino music.
pwde naman english language na OPM syempre fresh sa pandinig ng mga kano yun.
tapos matutuwa mga kababayan natin sa amerika na sabik sa mga kantang pinoy.
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hey doc, moymoypalaboy had already composed and sang original songs in their UPLOADED album yet still you're a non-believer in their talents. You're also a non-believer in Arnel and Charice because they never composed an original song...ano ba talaga doc, all I see is you being a hypocrite tsk tsk tsk smoking::
Ang alam kong definition ng hypocricy is being pretentious. So I was not able to see your point dahil up to now I am not a fan of the abovementioned celebs.
With regards to Moymoy, my point is basically their style in generating laughter and entertainment (making funny faces) which is childish and moronic to my taste. I never mention anything about songwriting skills.
About Charice and Arnel, well the article sums up my sentiments. I am happy that their careers have taken off but dont take away my freedom to criticize. Criticizing a fellow Filipino does not necessarily mean crab mentality especially if what you are hoping for is the betterment of the product or person itself.
Of course, if youre happy on what they are offering (singing other people's songs) I wont take it away from you. ideally, I would like to a have a Pinoy international superstar who have the caliber of a true artist---one can offer Pinoy ingenuity to the whole world and not just be a copycat.
If that is being a hypocrite in your book, there is definitely something wrong.
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Charice PamPampengco <-- you read it right.. pampam sya.. her style is still not acceptable for me.. mahilig syang kumanta ng mga sobrang taas pero hirap naman siya na kantahin ito.. nakuha lang niya ang mga ta(n)ga hanga niya dahil sa abs-cbn.. pero kung sa sariling paraan niya.. wala siyang patutunguhan..
Arnel Pineda -- This guy used only his brain and yet his talent is still lacking.. kailangan pa niya ng konting practice para talag ma-consider syang international artist..
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Well, speaking of Arnel, im truly proud of him....
Way back late 90's ng nasa hiatus stage na ang Journey, because steve perry cannot be in the band anymore... and lets admit that steve perry is steve perry, they tried to revive the voice of steve perry sa katauhan ni steve augerri, but nagkasakit din si steve augerri at hindi nagtagal sa band, so eto na si arnel and the rest is history...
regarding sa "copy cat" issue ni steve perry si arnel, alam nyo ba na meron talagang kamukha at kaboses si steve perry?
eto ay ang "Evolution Band" http://www.evolutiontheband.com/ ... kuhang kuha nyan ang boses, kilos at pati hitsura ni steve perry, mistula nga siyang clone ni steve eh... watch them here.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkgFMzSngg0
hindi lang sya ang clone kung mapapansin mo, even ang gitarista ay clone ni neal schon pati ang the rest of the band...
and sino ang may sabi na kaboses ni arnel si steve perry?? c'mon, if your a fan ng Journey since 80's pa lang, alam mo na hindi nya kaboses si arnel.... try listen to steve augerri, siya ang exact copy ni steve perry, pati ang vocalist ng evolution band...
dalawa ang choices ng Journey para sa next vocalist nila.... jonathan cain's choice ( Journey keybordist ) is the vocalist of evolution band, and neal's choice is arnel... so pinag record nila ang dalawa ng sabay, malakas ang ugong na mapipili yung tribute na vocalist because of his exact clone image ni steve perry, pero si arnel pa din ang pinili nila... bakit?
dahil gusto na nilang iwan ang steve perry na pangalan, na kapag sinabing Journey eh si steve perry ang naaalala ng tao, they want to start a new generation again.... pakinggan nyo si arnel kumanta ng ibang song, like Heart's Alone, Survivor's The Search is Over and other song's, si steve perry pa din ba ang nakikita nyo sa kaniya?
meron si arnel na wala si steve, siguro yung passion niya while singing, that's why mas maraming naniniwala na hindi ka boses ni arnel si steve perry, that is if your a fan and knows the history of journey and steve very well.....
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off topic: nice to see you again 123kid....miss you, pRE....uhmm thats weird... laffman::
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off topic: nice to see you again 123kid....miss you, pRE....uhmm thats weird... laffman::
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Well, speaking of Arnel, im truly proud of him....
Way back late 90's ng nasa hiatus stage na ang Journey, because steve perry cannot be in the band anymore... and lets admit that steve perry is steve perry, they tried to revive the voice of steve perry sa katauhan ni steve augerri, but nagkasakit din si steve augerri at hindi nagtagal sa band, so eto na si arnel and the rest is history...
regarding sa "copy cat" issue ni steve perry si arnel, alam nyo ba na meron talagang kamukha at kaboses si steve perry?
eto ay ang "Evolution Band" http://www.evolutiontheband.com/ ... kuhang kuha nyan ang boses, kilos at pati hitsura ni steve perry, mistula nga siyang clone ni steve eh... watch them here.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkgFMzSngg0
hindi lang sya ang clone kung mapapansin mo, even ang gitarista ay clone ni neal schon pati ang the rest of the band...
and sino ang may sabi na kaboses ni arnel si steve perry?? c'mon, if your a fan ng Journey since 80's pa lang, alam mo na hindi nya kaboses si arnel.... try listen to steve augerri, siya ang exact copy ni steve perry, pati ang vocalist ng evolution band...
dalawa ang choices ng Journey para sa next vocalist nila.... jonathan cain's choice ( Journey keybordist ) is the vocalist of evolution band, and neal's choice is arnel... so pinag record nila ang dalawa ng sabay, malakas ang ugong na mapipili yung tribute na vocalist because of his exact clone image ni steve perry, pero si arnel pa din ang pinili nila... bakit?
dahil gusto na nilang iwan ang steve perry na pangalan, na kapag sinabing Journey eh si steve perry ang naaalala ng tao, they want to start a new generation again.... pakinggan nyo si arnel kumanta ng ibang song, like Heart's Alone, Survivor's The Search is Over and other song's, si steve perry pa din ba ang nakikita nyo sa kaniya?
meron si arnel na wala si steve, siguro yung passion niya while singing, that's why mas maraming naniniwala na hindi ka boses ni arnel si steve perry, that is if your a fan and knows the history of journey and steve very well.....
I concur to this! at naging fan nako ng Journey mula nung si Arnel na naging vocalist nila..
Pero ke Charice? wala talaga akong bilib sa kanya... taas lang boses niya! I think? hehe toast::
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their magnificent but OA...peace
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I agree. Sure they are successful, but they are merely singing old famous songs that others have already popularized. The talents indeed have the singing voice, but what they lack are song writers (pinoys or not) who will create ORIGINAL songs for them to popularize. Look at the other international celebrities, they have their own songs, they never became popular because of singing other artists' songs.
What ever happened to the days when there were a lot of nice pinoy songs being created? Even if some were written in English, like those Joey Albert songs, at least they were original.
Another thing that the pinoy music industry lacks is the ability to create interesting music videos. Gone are the days when music videos were not needed to popularize a song. Like it or not, a lot of the consumers (or music fans) are also attracted to music videos that fit the song. Music videos are now part of the build-up for the artists performing the song and popularizing it even to the foreign music fans.
Music videos have the ability to impart the idea of a song even if the language the song is being sung in is foreign to the listener. Watching the story unfold on the screen, with emotions from each actor, to the setting and environment can also tell the listener what the song is all about.
I just hope that pinoys would stop underpaying song writers to give them motivation to be more creative, and at least to give the local music video producers more budget so that they can create videos that can go up to par with those being created by the Koreans, Japanese, and the Americans. Frankly speaking, pinoy music videos suck majority of the time because if it's not just an entire performance show of the singer or the band with nothing else happening, it is just made of an unimaginative representation of what the music is all about, with the lack of budget destroying what could have been a great show.
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mas gusto ko pa sila moymoy palaboy sa kanila
laffman::
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off topic: nice to see you again 123kid....miss you, pRE....uhmm thats weird... laffman::
Fortunately, topics being talked in here didn't change. There's just so much hate, so much hate that I couldn't begin to imagine where it's coming from. For a change, let's try to focus on people as they are and not as they aren't.
As much as I would like to keep my self exiled, I have to warn people that this kind of thinking where one see everything's negatively or something in that sense is not the type of people you want to surround yourself with.
Charice may not sing original songs but that doesn't mean she's not capable of writing her own material. Her time will come when she can be herself but for now she has to do what she's told because that would allow her to have the resources she may need if that opportunity finally lands on her lap.
Judging Arnel Pineda on his writing skills may be pushing envy to change the term to your own name.
Show some love.
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crab mentality pa rin ::lmao
toast::
AGREE!!!!!!
theres always someone who will hate. . .
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Well, speaking of Arnel, im truly proud of him....
Way back late 90's ng nasa hiatus stage na ang Journey, because steve perry cannot be in the band anymore... and lets admit that steve perry is steve perry, they tried to revive the voice of steve perry sa katauhan ni steve augerri, but nagkasakit din si steve augerri at hindi nagtagal sa band, so eto na si arnel and the rest is history...
regarding sa "copy cat" issue ni steve perry si arnel, alam nyo ba na meron talagang kamukha at kaboses si steve perry?
eto ay ang "Evolution Band" http://www.evolutiontheband.com/ ... kuhang kuha nyan ang boses, kilos at pati hitsura ni steve perry, mistula nga siyang clone ni steve eh... watch them here.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkgFMzSngg0
hindi lang sya ang clone kung mapapansin mo, even ang gitarista ay clone ni neal schon pati ang the rest of the band...
and sino ang may sabi na kaboses ni arnel si steve perry?? c'mon, if your a fan ng Journey since 80's pa lang, alam mo na hindi nya kaboses si arnel.... try listen to steve augerri, siya ang exact copy ni steve perry, pati ang vocalist ng evolution band...
dalawa ang choices ng Journey para sa next vocalist nila.... jonathan cain's choice ( Journey keybordist ) is the vocalist of evolution band, and neal's choice is arnel... so pinag record nila ang dalawa ng sabay, malakas ang ugong na mapipili yung tribute na vocalist because of his exact clone image ni steve perry, pero si arnel pa din ang pinili nila... bakit?
dahil gusto na nilang iwan ang steve perry na pangalan, na kapag sinabing Journey eh si steve perry ang naaalala ng tao, they want to start a new generation again.... pakinggan nyo si arnel kumanta ng ibang song, like Heart's Alone, Survivor's The Search is Over and other song's, si steve perry pa din ba ang nakikita nyo sa kaniya?
meron si arnel na wala si steve, siguro yung passion niya while singing, that's why mas maraming naniniwala na hindi ka boses ni arnel si steve perry, that is if your a fan and knows the history of journey and steve very well.....
Tama ka pre sa sinabi mong iyan...
Sa article na nakita ko regarding kay Ka Freddie calling Arnel and Charice as "monkeys", just read the people's comments especially the OFW's in the US. They love the guy because of his humbleness and as they say, his time will come to show what he's really worth.
Lets just be happy about them, If youre so eager to show us your opinion (which is your right btw), then please learn to accept and go over our opinions as well.
I hate to say but I smell "inggit" around here.
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yan din yung opinion ni idol joey at ka freddie
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if we cant sing better than them then who are we to judge them! lets be proud of them..... "isa lang ang ating lahi isa lang ang ating lipi bakit di pagmamahal ang ialay mo" peace!
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Fortunately, topics being talked in here didn't change. There's just so much hate, so much hate that I couldn't begin to imagine where it's coming from. For a change, let's try to focus on people as they are and not as they aren't.
As much as I would like to keep my self exiled, I have to warn people that this kind of thinking where one see everything's negatively or something in that sense is not the type of people you want to surround yourself with.
Charice may not sing original songs but that doesn't mean she's not capable of writing her own material. Her time will come when she can be herself but for now she has to do what she's told because that would allow her to have the resources she may need if that opportunity finally lands on her lap.
Judging Arnel Pineda on his writing skills may be pushing envy to change the term to your own name.
Show some love.
My sentiments exactly... I see the talent in those artists... Not singing original doesn't make them any less of an artist for me... I am proud of them for being Pinoy strutting their talents outside the Philippines and being recognized (and critisized) internationally... It's a given that not all will be happy (or not proud of them) because of their own "standards"... Nonetheless, looking at how big they have become "because of their own talent and hard work" and maybe some "luck", being in the international scene... I Am Proud of Them...
toast:: smoking::
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matagal ng nag struggle si arnel pineda dito sa music scene natin, AMO days pa lang niya (late 80's) ay makikita mo na yung talent niya, watch young arnel together with regine velasquez sa youtube during their younger years...
ang me problema kasi yung music industry din natin... sige nga kung walang problema yung music industry natin, bakit naging singing artist si willie revillame? si gretchen barreto?? bakit me mga album ang mga karamihan sa artista pero wala namang boses? nagsasayang lang sila ng cd eh, kung sa me talent nila binigay yung production ng cd, eh di hindi nasayang...
ang isa pang problema eh yung kung sino sinong artist na lang ang inaalagaan ng recording company, mistula ka ng baduy at tanga sa harap ng fans pero sige ka pa rin sa kakanta sa kanila, alam mong wala ng silbi ang kinakanta mo at basura na lang pero sige ka pa rin sa kanta, eto kasi ang gusto nating klaseng entertainment eh, yung baboy na at basura na entertainment, maraming banda at artist gumagawa nyan.... pero makikita mo sila ang inaalagaan ng company, kasi hanggat me tumatangkilik na mga baboy na listener, magpapatuloy din ang mga baboy na singer (kuno)
now here's the man na talagang me talent, makikita mo naman sa mga papuri sa kanya na talaga namang magaling siya, mula sa lumang songs to rock song to ballad to love song eh kaya naman niya kasing kantahin talaga, it means versatile siya, i wonder if steve perry can sing "ALONE" by Heart, kaya niya kaya yun???
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sino bang sikat ngayon na di kumanta ng covers ng ibang artist. Even whitney houston's i will always love you is a cover and originally sang by dolly parton.. why cant we just be happy for both charice and arnel.. The main point is these guys opened big doors for all of those who aspire to make it big...they serve as inspiration to all of us. never mind if they sing imperfectly, for as long as they continue to bring pride to our country , which by the way may i ask those armchair critics if they themselves have anything to show in bringing honor to our country... meron ba?????? ha ? ha?
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Kanya kanyang katwiran yan eh. Kanya kanyang paniniwala lang. Kung sa tingin mo katwiran mo e tama, e di tama. Kung sa tingin mo mali yung katwiran ng iba e di wag kang makiharap sa kanya. Si doc albert e sinasabi lang nya ang nasa kanyang kalooban tungkol sa dalawa. Besides, we have the freedom of speech naman dba? Kung sa tingin nyo mali sya e kahit na ilang pages pa abutin ng topic na ito e hindi namin maiiba paniniwala mo. Kung sa tingin mo naman na tama sya, e di mag kakasundo kayong dalawa. Kasi paniniwala mo yan. Ganyan lang talaga, may kanya kanya tayong katwiran sa buhay. smoking::
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Paano kakanta si Arnel Pineda ng puro original songs eh lead vocalist siya ng Journey? Siyempre puro kanta ng Journey lang ang pwede niyang kantahin. Kahit pa yun mga pinasikat na ni Steve Perry dati. Pero may bagong album na sila di ba? So meron na rin siyang original songs na matatawag. Unless, ang gusto mo eh mga kanta pa niya sa Zoo Band ang awitin niya sa concert tour ng Journey! :D
Si Charice naman, noong na-discover siya through the internet, eh totoong mga kanta ni Whitney, Celine at iba pang diva ang mga inaawit niya. May choice ba siya? Eh wala pa naman siyang sariling CD noon eh. Pinapirma lang naman siya ng Star Records noong sumisikat na siya sa America. At ngayon meron na siyang sarili niyang CD at yun kanta pa nga niya laging ipinatutugtog sa May Bukas Pa. Meron din siyang CD na produced ni David Foster na malapit ng ilabas. Ang parehong CD na ito nagtatampok ng mga original songs. So hindi na siya maaakusahan na puro lang kanta ng mga diva ang inaawit niya.
May kaniya-kaniya tayong luto ng adobo. Hindi porke't yun unag sumikat ang isang uri ng adobo ay dapat lahat na nang magluluto nito ay kailangan sundin ito. Different strokes for different folks. Basta't itinataguyod nila ang Pinas ay sana maging masaya tayo para sa kanila. Ang tagumpay nila ay tagumpay din ng bawa't Pilipino!
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Paano kakanta si Arnel Pineda ng puro original songs eh lead vocalist siya ng Journey? Siyempre puro kanta ng Journey lang ang pwede niyang kantahin. Kahit pa yun mga pinasikat na ni Steve Perry dati. Pero may bagong album na sila di ba? So meron na rin siyang original songs na matatawag. Unless, ang gusto mo eh mga kanta pa niya sa Zoo Band ang awitin niya sa concert tour ng Journey! :D
Si Charice naman, noong na-discover siya through the internet, eh totoong mga kanta ni Whitney, Celine at iba pang diva ang mga inaawit niya. May choice ba siya? Eh wala pa naman siyang sariling CD noon eh. Pinapirma lang naman siya ng Star Records noong sumisikat na siya sa America. At ngayon meron na siyang sarili niyang CD at yun kanta pa nga niya laging ipinatutugtog sa May Bukas Pa. Meron din siyang CD na produced ni David Foster na malapit ng ilabas. Ang parehong CD na ito nagtatampok ng mga original songs. So hindi na siya maaakusahan na puro lang kanta ng mga diva ang inaawit niya.
May kaniya-kaniya tayong luto ng adobo. Hindi porke't yun unag sumikat ang isang uri ng adobo ay dapat lahat na nang magluluto nito ay kailangan sundin ito. Different strokes for different folks. Basta't itinataguyod nila ang Pinas ay sana maging masaya tayo para sa kanila. Ang tagumpay nila ay tagumpay din ng bawa't Pilipino!
well said bro.. amen to that!!
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may point ka. pero hindi natin sila masisisi. Sila naman yung na-discover sa Youtube e. Hindi naman nila pinilit sarili nila sa US or nag-audition sa US para sumikat dun. Na-discover sila at nagustuhan ng mga dayuhan dahil sa kanilang talent. I don't see how you can be upset about that. Totoo wala silang original songs na sikat, ibig bang sabihin nun hindi rin magaling sina Nina, MYMP, Sitti and other local talents na halos revival ang mga songs? Aminado ko I'm not a fan of OPM (except for Urbandub hehehe) and wouldn't even think of buying tickets of Journey or Charice. Pero for me wala lang. Kaya lang siguro nag-flop ang concert ni Charice kasi ang mga tulad niya ay napakarami na dito. Sa totoo lang halos magkakapareho naman mga local singers natin na panay revival ang mga songs. Swertihan lang at na-discover sila sa Internet. Yun lang yun at siyempre you have to admit, they're very talented kahit imitation lang mga songs nila.
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to put it into perspective...music, acting, entertainment started way way very much way back, to me all those who sing/sang, act and entertain are all copy cats of the ORIGINAL who sang the first music, who acted on the screen and who FIRST entertained...lahat ng kumakanta, umaarte sa screen at nag-eentertain sa ating generation ngayon e puro gaya..."Proud to be Filipino"
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Paano kakanta si Arnel Pineda ng puro original songs eh lead vocalist siya ng Journey? Siyempre puro kanta ng Journey lang ang pwede niyang kantahin. Kahit pa yun mga pinasikat na ni Steve Perry dati. Pero may bagong album na sila di ba? So meron na rin siyang original songs na matatawag. Unless, ang gusto mo eh mga kanta pa niya sa Zoo Band ang awitin niya sa concert tour ng Journey! :D
Si Charice naman, noong na-discover siya through the internet, eh totoong mga kanta ni Whitney, Celine at iba pang diva ang mga inaawit niya. May choice ba siya? Eh wala pa naman siyang sariling CD noon eh. Pinapirma lang naman siya ng Star Records noong sumisikat na siya sa America. At ngayon meron na siyang sarili niyang CD at yun kanta pa nga niya laging ipinatutugtog sa May Bukas Pa. Meron din siyang CD na produced ni David Foster na malapit ng ilabas. Ang parehong CD na ito nagtatampok ng mga original songs. So hindi na siya maaakusahan na puro lang kanta ng mga diva ang inaawit niya.
May kaniya-kaniya tayong luto ng adobo. Hindi porke't yun unag sumikat ang isang uri ng adobo ay dapat lahat na nang magluluto nito ay kailangan sundin ito. Different strokes for different folks. Basta't itinataguyod nila ang Pinas ay sana maging masaya tayo para sa kanila. Ang tagumpay nila ay tagumpay din ng bawa't Pilipino!
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Kung hindi ka masaya sa tagumpay ng ibang tao, ganun din ang tingin mo sa sarili mo. Tandaan, lahat ay nanggagaling sa iyong sarili.
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Paano kakanta si Arnel Pineda ng puro original songs eh lead vocalist siya ng Journey? Siyempre puro kanta ng Journey lang ang pwede niyang kantahin. Kahit pa yun mga pinasikat na ni Steve Perry dati. Pero may bagong album na sila di ba? So meron na rin siyang original songs na matatawag. Unless, ang gusto mo eh mga kanta pa niya sa Zoo Band ang awitin niya sa concert tour ng Journey! :D
Si Charice naman, noong na-discover siya through the internet, eh totoong mga kanta ni Whitney, Celine at iba pang diva ang mga inaawit niya. May choice ba siya? Eh wala pa naman siyang sariling CD noon eh. Pinapirma lang naman siya ng Star Records noong sumisikat na siya sa America. At ngayon meron na siyang sarili niyang CD at yun kanta pa nga niya laging ipinatutugtog sa May Bukas Pa. Meron din siyang CD na produced ni David Foster na malapit ng ilabas. Ang parehong CD na ito nagtatampok ng mga original songs. So hindi na siya maaakusahan na puro lang kanta ng mga diva ang inaawit niya.
May kaniya-kaniya tayong luto ng adobo. Hindi porke't yun unag sumikat ang isang uri ng adobo ay dapat lahat na nang magluluto nito ay kailangan sundin ito. Different strokes for different folks. Basta't itinataguyod nila ang Pinas ay sana maging masaya tayo para sa kanila. Ang tagumpay nila ay tagumpay din ng bawa't Pilipino!
toast:: CHEERS..yan ang pinoy! Sa mga hindi proud sa kapwa pinoy ang masasabe ko lng..LOSERS! Mgsama kayo ni Ka Freddie.Kht pangit o mganda,gnaya o hindi,ok lng yan basta sikat tau sa mundo. PEACE!
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Don't get me wrong. I am happy for what they have achieved. But there is a thin line between being happy and being proud. As a music fan, I have always been critical about the feat of Arnel Pineda and Charice Pempengco. I see their accomplishments as unsatisfactory, if not reeking cheap imitation of other foreign artists. Add to the fact that I am quite disturbed on Filipinos' penchant for over gratification about anything that is characteristically tacky, shallow, and short-lived. This is not a case of crab mentality. Maybe it is just my nature to strive for excellence and originality. Because of this, I really find it hard to be proud of two Filipinos strongly regarded in their country as "international superstars" when in fact, he and she are just singing other people's songs.
Luck more than talent is probably what made these two singers hit the big time as both were discovered via You Tube. The case of Arnel Pineda does not take rocket science to understand. Journey had its heydays as a world renown musical group under Steve Perry. Arnel's singing style happen to have an uncanny resemblance to the said original frontman. Wanting to resurrect their long forgotten careers, the remaining band members tapped the services of Arnel, probably hoping that a Steve Perry rip-off could bring back Journey to its glory years. Strutting your wares with a not-so-famous band (a "has been" if you allow me to be harsh) while performing their old hits that were more of a trademark to its original lead singer does not necesarily spell Pinoy pride in my part. When one is chosen to be the new vocalist of a band for the sole reason that he sounded exactly like their former frontman, it vaguely reveals mediocrity.
In early 2008, I wrote a blog about Charice on how she is just a product of media hype. A year has passed and Charice has not proven me wrong. Her immense popularity is still based solely on the intensive marketing, push and publicities by her mother studio, ABS CBN (her albums became bestsellers basically just because of this.) She is still singing songs of Celine Dion, Beyonce, Mariah Carey, and now Michael Jackson. A 2nd album (still made up of revivals by the way) after, she has not still come up with any signature hit. So it is nothing but wishful thinking that Charice is or can become an international superstar when even in her home turf, she cannot generate a repertoire of her own hit music. Her entertainment value singly lies on her good lung capacity despite the small stature. I may sound cruel but to keep it real: stardom is far fetched for a teenager who performs songs that do not suit her age. For a 17 year old singer with a child-like physique who sings nothing but high octane birit songs of old people, the closest she can get in the international market is merely as a sideshow attraction.
Realistically speaking, Arnel and Charice are just glorified lounge singers (one who does cover songs in clubs) who happen to have a bigger stage. Colombia has Shakira. Ireland has U2 and The Corrs. Japan has Utada Hikaru. Australia has AC/DC and Silverchair. Puerto Rico has Ricky Martin. Korea has BoA and Rain. The big difference of these non-American international singing superstars from Arnel and Charice is that they have penetrated the world music arena based on their craft that spawns originality, inventiveness, and creativity. I wish for that day that the Philippines will have its own representative--- an artist in the truest sense of the word. Someone who will not just sing songs popularized by other people. Someone who can show his or her Pinoy musical ingenuity by creating music and sharing it to the whole world. And for that someone, I will be truly proud of.
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This is crabmentality for sure. Even Gary V. who is an "original" artist kuno is inggit of how this 2 performers made it big so fast and so furious in the american industry and earn millions of dollars unliked Gary V or Martin Nievera who make pa english english kahit marunong naman magtagalog just want to make yabang of their taglish accents. also Gary V copies his moves from Michael Jackson which made local pinoy fans kilig to dead but in real life in america or in any other part of world like iraq, somalia or ethiopia nobody there gives a dam about him. so unfortunate that pinoys who make it big abroad are not supported back home and those who make it big in philipins think they are so good just like martin nievera eh saksakan lang naman yun ng yabang, he makes concert concert pa in las vegas daw eh nalugi kasi la naman nanood sa kanya, hahaha, kaya bumalik sa atin. look at charice, humble beginning, kaya mahal siya ng mundo pero sa atin sa pilipinas people still scrutinizes her and say her head is saksakan of yabang when in fact she is humble and people just want to destroyed her due to crabmentality knowing the best way to destroy her is by not supporting her at home. she doesn't have to listen to you to become big, you can voiced out ur opinions about her and arnel anytime and take cheap shots, while the international community take a look at their simple begining and admire them for who they are. if you want to voice out ur concerns, do it in public like newspaper o make tv interview and say u hate arnel or charice and not take cheap shots on them. my 2 cents only.
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Dagdag ko lang ha...
Hindi ba nakakataba ng puso, na ang isang world-renowned na banda tulad ng Journey eh dito pa sa atin kumuha ng kanilang lead singer, samantalang puro sila mga puti at di hamak na mas maraming pwedeng pagpilian sa kanilang bansa? Kabaliktaran ito ng ugali nating mga Pinoy na laging tinitingala ang mga puti.
Si Charice naman....
Napabilib niya ng lubos ang pinakamayaman at pinakamakapangyarihang celebrity sa buong America na si Oprah Winfrey sa talento niya. Alam naman natin na kapag si Oprah meron inendorso, tiyak na papatok yun. Mapalibro, gamit, damit at pati na ang kanilang Pangulo. Sa sobrang bilib nga niya eh siya na rin ag tumatayong manager ni Charice. Pasensya na kung mali ako pero, may alam pa ba kayo na ibang artista na mina-manage ni Oprah?
Huwag din natin kalimutan na ang batikang composer at record producer na si David Foster eh siyang producer ng album niya. Siya lang naman ang producer nina Whitney, Celine, Josh Groban, etc. Para sa isang tulad niya na nakita, narinig at nakatrabaho na ang mga batikang tulad ng mga nauna at ngayon ay manghang-mangha sa talento ni Charice, siguro naman dapat eh maging proud talaga tayo di ba?
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Paano kakanta si Arnel Pineda ng puro original songs eh lead vocalist siya ng Journey? Siyempre puro kanta ng Journey lang ang pwede niyang kantahin. Kahit pa yun mga pinasikat na ni Steve Perry dati. Pero may bagong album na sila di ba? So meron na rin siyang original songs na matatawag. Unless, ang gusto mo eh mga kanta pa niya sa Zoo Band ang awitin niya sa concert tour ng Journey! :D
Si Charice naman, noong na-discover siya through the internet, eh totoong mga kanta ni Whitney, Celine at iba pang diva ang mga inaawit niya. May choice ba siya? Eh wala pa naman siyang sariling CD noon eh. Pinapirma lang naman siya ng Star Records noong sumisikat na siya sa America. At ngayon meron na siyang sarili niyang CD at yun kanta pa nga niya laging ipinatutugtog sa May Bukas Pa. Meron din siyang CD na produced ni David Foster na malapit ng ilabas. Ang parehong CD na ito nagtatampok ng mga original songs. So hindi na siya maaakusahan na puro lang kanta ng mga diva ang inaawit niya.
May kaniya-kaniya tayong luto ng adobo. Hindi porke't yun unag sumikat ang isang uri ng adobo ay dapat lahat na nang magluluto nito ay kailangan sundin ito. Different strokes for different folks. Basta't itinataguyod nila ang Pinas ay sana maging masaya tayo para sa kanila. Ang tagumpay nila ay tagumpay din ng bawa't Pilipino!
Very true. Let's be happy for them for we are Filipinos.
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Let's just respect each other's opinion...
Remember this? ==> "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it..."
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to make add lang po, I dont know why we dont want ur kapwa brown colored pinoys to make it in the big scene, when charice was starting her careers they make no pansin of her because maitim daw siya, kaya even though she deserved to win little big star, they chose a meztizo beauty named Sam Concepcion who doesnt deserve to win his voice has nothing compared to charice. the judges chose "good looks" over talent and if not for fellow pinoy who upload in youtube, she wont get any invites from foreign country, and look at how foreign countrys like her, unlike us, di natin kayang mahalin sariling atin, nakakahiya. also people wont make judge arnel if he were looking like a piolo pascual or a jericho rosales, but look at where is he now, he is really a better singer than any trying hards out there, so stop hating on pilipino talents who maked it big in the world. crab mentality is a disease that must be deceased. yes, we must respect each others opinions pero if u make hurt other feelings by giving some crab statements, you better say it in media, magpa interview ka sa abs-cbn o gma and say you are envious of Charice and Arnel. I hope this article can make it to newspaper column. enough of hating na kase of arnel and charice.
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Be a fountain, not a drain.
We should be proud of Charice and Arnel, just because they are able to make it. Yes, they don't have original songs yet, but their talent can't be denied. Who are we to put them down? Can we carry a tune like them? Everyone goes to stages when they do cover songs, just to build a fan base.Sino mga singers at musicians ang di dumaan sa stage na to?
Meron tayong right to speak our mind, pero what good does it do, if it only puts people in a negative light?
Be constructive with our feedbacks naman. If you can't sleep because you hate them to the point that putting in your blog is not enough, that you have to let everyone know here, why don't you pick someone your own age?
Going back to Freddie, why would Charice sing a Tagalog song in front of Oprah? Would the audience relate to it?
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another thread of whining about something so obvious.. crab mentality
if the threadstarter pointed out that he is`nt proud of other people specifically filipino artist above mentioned then why give a damn about it. his living his life of criticism so let him.
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to the thread starter...everything was very well said (or Written)...lalo na yung kay charice
still, gusto ko pa din yung pagka likeness ng boses ni arnel kay steve perry pero ala na yung feelings nung kanta kasi nga di naman siya yung original na kumanta,pero i still appreciate the voice music::
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add ko rin, pasingit na rin, may mga original songs na rin si charice. People like her, kahit hindi dito sa atin, eh sa ibang bansa.
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doc,
you are not proud just because they are NOT singing there own composed songs? so they should be singing original compositions by whom? ???
doc, don't you think this is just of something for them? this is just a stepping stone towards their own stardom...
this is just a small step to their big leap let us NOT let them stumble. ;)
I think singing others song doesn't prove that you are not good Michael Jackson's patent "moonwalk'' move is Not original his own... Is he NOT qualified to make that move? Isn't he good at it just because he is not the original? :(
If you are searching for perfection or the highest quality of talent...This is it...it is becoming it is NOT their peak yet,
there are people who enjoys their song even people with a very high musical standard like MJ himself. 8)
Sarah Geronimo did not compose the ''Lupang Hinirang" but still I like her and PROUD of her singing the song!
I did NOT compose beautiful girl but I feel proud of myself squeaking every lyrics of it.
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Basta ako pag Pinoy Proud ako!!! mapa ingles man ang kanta o tagalog... basta't humble at hindi mayabang ayus ako dun!!! To Arnel and Charice kahit nde nio ako fan... proud pa din ako!!!
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para sa akin me talent sila finger4u
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tama ka nga may talent talaga sila... buti nlang hindi lahat ng ka espiya mga haters... lols... para sa akin kung hindi nio gus2 eh wag nio na panoorin or pakinggan... at sana maging proud kyo sa naabot nila kahit na hindi man kayo tagahanga dahil PINOY din sila... ma Appreciate nio manlang sana yung hirap at pagpupursigi nila para maabot nila yung naabot nila ngyon...
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Charice is still young. In time she will be the person you look up to. I don't like her music too, but still we should be proud of what she has achieved as compared to other Local Talents who has been singing Original Compositions (as Doc Albert's standard of a true artist) but still end-up sa kangkungan.
As with Arnel Pineda, he is indeed superb in being the lead singer of Journey. Filipinos often mistake Arnel Pineda as Arnel Pineda the Solo Artist (just as Doc Albert presumed). Completely wrong. Arnel Pineda is only associated with the Band JOURNEY. The accolade always belong to the Band but Arnel receives most of the applause. And that is what we are proud of. Another filipino in the personality of Arnel Pineda being acclaimed as a great singer of the band Journey.
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Ayus Sir GanabY... galing mo!!
eto po mga ka espiya... sana pakinggan nio mabuti yung lyrics...
...Ayoko lang talga ng mga pinoy na Talangka...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb_IJgxrTWg[/youtube]
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Kahit naman hindi Pilipino, walang dahilan para pag isipan mo ng negatibo ang isang tao na nagsusumikap at wala naman ginagawang masama.
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Tama ka din dyan 123kid... tanong ko lang bakit kaya may mga ganong tao ano? psychological ba yan?
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like what i have said let him live his life of criticism wag na po natin masyado ipersonal ang threadstarter ::dontflame
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kahit walang sikat na kababayan ko sa ibang bansa proud ako na PINOY AKO
lahi ng mga matatapang at bayani..
wala na ako paki sa sabihin na negative tungkol sa mga kababayan ko.
basta ako MASARAP MAGING PINOY
music:: music:: music::
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Charice Pempengco... well, si Oprah nga proud sa batang ire eh, dahil na-appreciate ni Oprah ang talent ng batang ire.. so what now if puro revive pa lang mga kanta ni charice ngayon? isa pa may Composer-producer si charice namely David Foster... nag uumpisa pa lang si charice intayin na lang natin mga susunod nyang album at tiyak may mga sarili na syang mga kanta doon..
"Charice will be the best talent you'll ever have"-David Foster
"I don't like Charice's way of singing but I won't give even a single word that will make her down...And still I will support her CD's... I am a REAL Filipino"-Zany J. ;D
Kinukutya na nga ng mga ibang foreigner si Charice pati pa ba naman tayo... supurtahan na lan natin sya and magrequest na lang tayo na gumawa sya ng sarili nyang kanta at inde puro revive...
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si arnel ok pa kaso itong si charise pandakekok ay napakayabang. one time kc napanood ko tv habang sakay sa bus, akalain mo ba namang sabihing noong araw daw nong di pa siya sikat eh nalulungkot daw siya at di masaya at nahihiya noong papunta sa abscbn dahil nakasakay siya sa isang pampasaherong jeep. :o teka, laki ba siya sa yaman? e eto ngang si arnel pineda proud pang sabihing isa siyang kariton boy noong araw. toast::
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http://worldofalbert.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-i-am-not-proud-of-arnel-pineda-and.html (http://worldofalbert.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-i-am-not-proud-of-arnel-pineda-and.html)
sana matauhan mga taong naninira ng mga iba, kapwa pa pinoy ang tinitira! doctor pa naman din siya smoking:: smoking:: smoking::
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NOW That's What I Call Music 31
1. The Black Eyed Peas – "Boom Boom Pow" (3:38)
2. Flo Rida – "Right Round" (3:24)
3. Lady Gaga – "Poker Face" (3:57)
4. Pitbull – "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)" (3:01)
5. Jamie Foxx featuring T-Pain – "Blame It" (4:21)
6. T.I. featuring Justin Timberlake – "Dead and Gone" (3:52)
7. Kid Cudi – "Day 'n' Nite" (3:40)
8. Soulja Boy Tell 'Em featuring Sammie – "Kiss Me Thru the Phone" (3:11)
9. Beyoncé – "Halo" (3:43)
10. Ne-Yo – "Mad" (4:10)
11. Pink – "Please Don't Leave Me" (3:49)
12. Ciara featuring Justin Timberlake – "Love Sex Magic" (3:39)
13. Britney Spears – "If U See Amy" (3:33)
14. Kelly Clarkson – "My Life Would Suck Without You" (3:31)
15. 3OH!3 – "Don't Trust Me" (3:12)
16. The Ting Tings – "That's Not My Name" (3:28)
17. The Fray – "You Found Me" (3:58)
18. Nickelback – "If Today Was Your Last Day" (4:05)
19. Lady Antebellum – "I Run to You" (4:13)
20. Charice – "Note to God" (3:59)
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http://worldofalbert.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-i-am-not-proud-of-arnel-pineda-and.html (http://worldofalbert.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-i-am-not-proud-of-arnel-pineda-and.html)
sana matauhan mga taong naninira ng mga iba, kapwa pa pinoy ang tinitira! doctor pa naman din siya smoking:: smoking:: smoking::
espiyang espiya ah.... haha
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I agree with doc albert.. sana makapgproduce tayo ng sariling atin yung sikat mismo dito tapos makikilala sa ibang bansa.. tulad ng rivermaya(medyo kapos pa nga kung tutuusin).. mas maganda talaga yung sarli nating composition at style mismo ang makikilala sa mundo.. hindi yung sumikat dahil sa tulong ibang bansa.. hindi naman kasi makikilala si Charice at Arnel eh kung walang kilalang tao ang nagpromote sa kanila atlhough hindi madedeny na may talent talaga sila..
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Don't get me wrong. I am happy for what they have achieved. But there is a thin line between being happy and being proud. As a music fan, I have always been critical about the feat of Arnel Pineda and Charice Pempengco. I see their accomplishments as unsatisfactory, if not reeking cheap imitation of other foreign artists. Add to the fact that I am quite disturbed on Filipinos' penchant for over gratification about anything that is characteristically tacky, shallow, and short-lived. This is not a case of crab mentality. Maybe it is just my nature to strive for excellence and originality. Because of this, I really find it hard to be proud of two Filipinos strongly regarded in their country as "international superstars" when in fact, he and she are just singing other people's songs.
this is the reason why our country wont strive as a better country
the threadstarter don't exhibit a crab mentality behavior but rather a criticism towards the two singers if you read his comment you will understand so even Freddie Aguilar comments in PEP exhibit a crab mentality behavior based on you opinion
all he wants is they must create their own original music that's all. Where is the crab mentality thing??
sa America kapag sinabihan mo pangit ang make-up nila pasasalamatan kapa nila. Sa pinas kapag sinabi mo yan tyak pag-iisipan kapa ng masama na inggit ka lang or pangit nito
sabi ng isang taga-cambodia na hindi mo ma-critize ng diretso ang mga Asian kase para sa kanila insulto yun pero sa europe e kapag nag-criticize sila or sinabihan ka na mali ka or dika magaling normal sa kanila yun
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Magkaiba naman ang pagiging singer sa pagiging composer, madaming singer jan na never naka pag compose ng original nilang kanta pero hindi ibig sabihin less talented sila as a singer, less talented lang sila as a composer or hindi pa lang nila nasusubukan magsulat ng sarili nilang kanta. Hindi din naman ibig sabihin na pag yung singer mismo nagcompose ng kanta nya eh ibig sabihin maganda agad ang labas, bihira ang magaling na na singer magaling pa na composer like Ogie Alcasid, Babyface, etc.
About sa originals naman ni Arnel Pineda malabo mangyari yun hangang nasa Journey sha, I doubt na binibigyan sha ng malaking creative control about the songs dahil dapat ang tunog ng kanta eh pang Journey so restricted sha sa sense na yun. Yung kay Charice naman (never been a fan pero I give credit to her talent) I think it's by design na songs from Celine Dion, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, etc. ang pinkakanta sa kanya since her youtube days to showcase her powerful voice. As for her originals, i'm not sure kung may isa na sha or dalawa (still not composed by her yata) pero I still consider her a starting artist, nakailang album ba ang mymp bago ngkaron sila ng original na kanta?
I'm not saying their the best, pero hindi din sila ang worst, ang daming artist na bigla nalang nagalalabasan sa myx or mtv na magugulat ka nalang dahil ikaw mismo sa sarili mo may alam ka na mas talented na artist sa kanila pero hindi naman mabigyan bigyan ng break.
Lahat ng artist kailangan ng promoter, masakit man isipin padamihan pa din ng connections ang labananan sa kahit anong industry. toast::
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sa America kapag sinabihan mo pangit ang make-up nila pasasalamatan kapa nila. Sa pinas kapag sinabi mo yan tyak pag-iisipan kapa ng masama na inggit ka lang or pangit nito
sabi ng isang taga-cambodia na hindi mo ma-critize ng diretso ang mga Asian kase para sa kanila insulto yun pero sa europe e kapag nag-criticize sila or sinabihan ka na mali ka or dika magaling normal sa kanila yun
Hmmmmmmm...Stereotyping?
Don't generalize please. How sure are you that they are better when it comes to accepting criticisms?
Nabigyan mo na ba lahat ng westerners ng democratic judgment? Eh mga asian especially Pinoys?
Please dont show us youre prejudice about us pinoys. Respect.
Topic: The doctor is out for too long already. Maybe we should wait for some more of his blogs to be discussed around here.
As I've said before, I can smell inggit from these kind of people.
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im not stereotyping. i just cant stand Charice. she's got no appeal. she has her mini concert in Greenbelt and i've got a feeling that all her relatives sat to watch to fill the crowd.else, lalangawin sya din. she sounds like a videoke machine about to break. well, she's a good front for business that is why her managers take advantage of her "international sensation".
no comment for Arnel.
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this is the reason why our country wont strive as a better country
the threadstarter don't exhibit a crab mentality behavior but rather a criticism towards the two singers if you read his comment you will understand so even Freddie Aguilar comments in PEP exhibit a crab mentality behavior based on you opinion
all he wants is they must create their own original music that's all. Where is the crab mentality thing??
sa America kapag sinabihan mo pangit ang make-up nila pasasalamatan kapa nila. Sa pinas kapag sinabi mo yan tyak pag-iisipan kapa ng masama na inggit ka lang or pangit nito
sabi ng isang taga-cambodia na hindi mo ma-critize ng diretso ang mga Asian kase para sa kanila insulto yun pero sa europe e kapag nag-criticize sila or sinabihan ka na mali ka or dika magaling normal sa kanila yun
The thread starter judged both artists using criterions different from what the artists' claim to be. Simply put, you can't say a foot-young tree is not as hard as a fully grown tree. In Arnel's case, you can't say pencils don't work well as an alternative for sitaw as an ingredient of sinigang because in the first place, its shouldn't to be.
Think of motive.
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charice pempengco - ok na sana ang talent kaso yung mga taong pumapaligid sa kanya eh pinipilit siya na kantahin yung di na nya kayang kantahin.
arnel pineda - it is a privilege for the band journey na maging vocalist nila. we should be proud of him.. alam nyo naman mga pilipino, panahon pa ng kastila papa-alipin na sa mga amerikano. nasa dugo na natin yan. pero kung makakagawa si arnel ng kanta na pinoy. (meaning tagalog ang lyrics) at tutugtugin nila. maybe we can be more proud of him.
bottomline:
depende kasi sa taong nakikinig yan.
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im not stereotyping. i just cant stand Charice. she's got no appeal. she has her mini concert in Greenbelt and i've got a feeling that all her relatives sat to watch to fill the crowd.else, lalangawin sya din. she sounds like a videoke machine about to break. well, she's a good front for business that is why her managers take advantage of her "international sensation".
no comment for Arnel.
Are you and Idiot the same person? my last post was for him and not you.
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Reminders to ALL....
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basta ako i di talaga ako bilid sa dalawang taong yan di ko talaga trip lahat ng songs na kinakanta nila sabi nga pinoy are great imitators mas lalo lang pinatunayan ng dalawang taong yan kung ano tayo. basta ako proud noypi parin ako i dont sa kanilang kasikatan ngayon proud paba sila na pinoy sila o bumaliktad na! ako sa tingin nyo mga espiyas?
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basta ako i di talaga ako bilid sa dalawang taong yan di ko talaga trip lahat ng songs na kinakanta nila sabi nga pinoy are great imitators mas lalo lang pinatunayan ng dalawang taong yan kung ano tayo. basta ako proud noypi parin ako i dont sa kanilang kasikatan ngayon proud paba sila na pinoy sila o bumaliktad na! ako sa tingin nyo mga espiyas?
Wala ako naintindihan sa sinabi mo. Pwede paki-rephrase para na rin sa lahat. Maraming salamat.
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basta ako i di talaga ako bilid sa dalawang taong yan di ko talaga trip lahat ng songs na kinakanta nila sabi nga pinoy are great imitators mas lalo lang pinatunayan ng dalawang taong yan kung ano tayo. basta ako proud noypi parin ako i dont sa kanilang kasikatan ngayon proud paba sila na pinoy sila o bumaliktad na! ako sa tingin nyo mga espiyas?
:o :o :o anu daw !!!
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ganyan ba talaga tayong mga pinoy....
kung may magsasabi na bilib ako sa kanya... sumusunod yung iba... bilib din sila....
pero pag may magsasabi na di ako bilib sa kanya... ayun lipat sa kabila... di rin daw sila bibilib...
nung pinanuod natin si charice at arnel sa youtube...
ang sayasaya natin kasi sumikat ang pinoy... tapos ngayun... sinisiraan na!
napapansin nga ng dayuhan yung talento ng mga taong ito... tayo pa kaya na walang talent?
sino ba tayo para humusga? ang gagaling nga nila... kahit isang tingin o rinig mo lang sa kanila...
talagang masasabi mo na magaling sila!
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espiyang espiya ah.... haha
eto pa yung sinulat nya about Michael Jackson, hindi na nahiya, bakit kelangan pang sabihin na bakla siya sa titles, tapos pupurihin kunwari. Doctor pa naman ito, pero sex maniac din and worse ay mas bastos pa kay Hayden ito dahil talangka.
http://worldofalbert.blogspot.com/2009/06/despite-your-kabaklaan.html (http://worldofalbert.blogspot.com/2009/06/despite-your-kabaklaan.html)
mga haterz talaga grabeh!
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I was astound sa sinabi ni Freddy Aguilar na mukhang unggoy daw sina Charice at Arnel because they don't sing origanl pinoy songs...
haha... ::lmao ::lmao
what do you expect Charice singing his Magdalena or anak idol ko si Ka Freddy but being tactless in his sentence makes me wanna laugh! dapat ba na may talent should go with his genre.? hahaha.... for sure he hates "Slim Shaddy"
Charice and Arnel are good in doing what they do best singing foreign songs..........
it is their own genre dude let them enjoy what they do best if you can't dig the song just listen to your own ''pamulinawin'' and enjoy it no one is going to complain... ::pampam ::pampam
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my take on this, i don't really care about how they sound, how they perform, or what kind of music they have. anu't ano pa man, nakatulong sila sa kani-kanilang mga pamilya, yan ang mahalaga. sa kaso ni charice, bata pa pero naibili na ng malaking bahay sa tagaytay ang pamilya, sobrang laking achievement nun! ilan na ba sa atin dito ang nakagawa ng gaya nyan? sigurado si arnel may naipundar/maiipundar din. dahil dyan proud ako sa kanila! toast::
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my take on this, i don't really care about how they sound, how they perform, or what kind of music they have. anu't ano pa man, nakatulong sila sa kani-kanilang mga pamilya, yan ang mahalaga. sa kaso ni charice, bata pa pero naibili na ng malaking bahay sa tagaytay ang pamilya, sobrang laking achievement nun! ilan na ba sa atin dito ang nakagawa ng gaya nyan? sigurado si arnel may naipundar/maiipundar din. dahil dyan proud ako sa kanila! toast::
kaya we should be proud of them di ba, unlike the title of this threads which is negative, dapat positives at pilipino sila na nagsumikap , hindi dapat natin sila hinihila pababa o sinisiraan dahil naiinggit tayo sa kanila kund magserve sila inspirations for us. mahirap kase sa iba, mataas ang pinag aralan, mga iba nakapag doctor diyan pero naiinggit sa mga may humble na beginnings tulad ni arnel and charice and ngayon eh mas malaki ang kita sa kanila at sikat pa sa buong mundo kaya sa sariling bayan eh pilit na sinisiraan sa mga munting paraan, hay naku, be proud of them for they are Filipinos! palitan mo titles ng thread mo and become positive when talking about pilipinos kung tunay kang pilipino.
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Burahin na yan!
Lumayo sa linta! Lumayo sa bampira! Umiwas sa blackhole!
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Kapag si Arnel Pineda naman ang gagawa ng thread malamang ang title ay...
" Some of my kababayan's are haters, that's why im not proud for being a filipino "
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absolutely ::lmao
hay kayo naman hayaan nyo na nga si doc mai express niya ang kanyang opinion :-*
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absolutely ::lmao
hay kayo naman hayaan nyo na nga si doc mai express niya ang kanyang opinion :-*
yup opinion rin naman ng mga ka Espiya to the opinion ni doc....
It is a discussion bro...It doesn't meant we don't like Doc music::
I don't like his opinion not as a person!!
toast:: toast:: toast:: toast::
kawawa naman si Charice sumasakit yung lalamunan ng bata sa kaka birit tapos...
Hindi man lang proud sa kanya...
sige Charice kumanta ka na lang ng ''Maruja"
para masaya ang true blue pinoy
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Pa OT po music:: im happy pakilamero lang ako at hindi hater..
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Ang mga african-americans noon, may kalahi lang sila na makilala sa US tuwang tuwa na sila tapos sinusuportahan nila kahit na bawal pa or patago or bugbugin sila ng mga puti... proud na proud sila although inde nila maipagsigawan...
where are they now??? Hayun Black American na ang pinakamakapangyarihang tao sa mundo ngayon...
try nyo manood ng movies like Glory Road,etc... mga ganung tipo ng storya... may mapupulot kayong aral jan...
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Ang mga african-americans noon, may kalahi lang sila na makilala sa US tuwang tuwa na sila tapos sinusuportahan nila kahit na bawal pa or patago or bugbugin sila ng mga puti... proud na proud sila although inde nila maipagsigawan...
where are they now??? Hayun Black American na ang pinakamakapangyarihang tao sa mundo ngayon...
try nyo manood ng movies like Glory Road,etc... mga ganung tipo ng storya... may mapupulot kayong aral jan...
favorite ko ung glory road bro.. toast::
sama na natin ung crash bro.best picture pa un sa oscars
magaling sila charice at arnel wala na kau magagawa dun
hindi ko type ang genre nila pero they are doing a great job in their works
basta ako kahit walang pacquiao..arnel..charice..apl..
proud ako maging pinoy
hindi pa ba sapat ang mga ginagawa ng mga OFW natin sa ating bansa para maging proud tau sa sarili nating bayan???
music:: music:: music::
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supportahan nalang natin cla..but i'm still hoping na san man cla ngaun sana gamitin nila nang mahusay ang talent nila at mag compose and sing orig songs that would make us filipino proud.
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At the end of the day the important thing is that they made their fellow kababayans proud.
And giving their family a better life along the way.Doing what they love is only a bonus for them.
Can't you see it that people who make it big outside of the country always dedicate their success to us?
And this is what they get from us? Who in the first place should be the one to be happy about them.
Before speaking out our obvious "disgust" or should I say "Inggit", We should ask ourselves
first...
"What have I contributed to make my country proud of me?"
It isn't nice for professionals/educated people like us to just voice out something that would obviously destroy the person's name or influence others to just dislike them too... TOO OBVIOUS.
Let them utilize their GOD-given talents. People are smart enough to know to say what is right and what is downright
insult.
Let's not put to waste our time and intellect by being hypocrites and move away from our life of envy.
Tell me, Did'nt your heart skipped a beat when you learned that people are giving standing ovations to a humble and talented Filipino?
This isn't directed to anyone but whoever shall feel that I'm flaming them, then its sad to say that you put yourself in this situation by no other than you.
Peace.
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sarap kumain ng crabs ngayon... smoking::
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Ang alam kong definition ng hypocricy is being pretentious. So I was not able to see your point dahil up to now I am not a fan of the abovementioned celebs.
With regards to Moymoy, my point is basically their style in generating laughter and entertainment (making funny faces) which is childish and moronic to my taste. I never mention anything about songwriting skills.
About Charice and Arnel, well the article sums up my sentiments. I am happy that their careers have taken off but dont take away my freedom to criticize. Criticizing a fellow Filipino does not necessarily mean crab mentality especially if what you are hoping for is the betterment of the product or person itself.
Of course, if youre happy on what they are offering (singing other people's songs) I wont take it away from you. ideally, I would like to a have a Pinoy international superstar who have the caliber of a true artist---one can offer Pinoy ingenuity to the whole world and not just be a copycat.
If that is being a hypocrite in your book, there is definitely something wrong.
Very Well Said Doc... toast:: toast::
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@docalbert - Why don't you start working on that - "I would like to a have a Pinoy international superstar who have the caliber of a true artist---one can offer Pinoy ingenuity to the whole world and not just be a copycat"? You do know what it takes, right?
Kampi na lang ako kay docalbert. Lahat ng sikat ngayon, walang kwentang tao. Puro gaya gaya lang, ginagawa lang nilang tanga mga pilipino. Mga pilipino naman nagpapaka-bobo. May sikat lang, nakiki uso na agad. Sa totoo lang, walang magaling na tao sa mundo. Lahat yan dinadaan lang sa PR.
Tara umpishan na natin dahil sobrang taas tingin ko sa sarili ko, ako na mismo ang gagawa. Ang dami kong alam tungkol sa musika. Alam ko ang tunay at hindi peke o gaya. Teka makapag blog na nga lang at mag tingin tingin ng mga sexy. Time out muna. Shet naman, na-basted nanaman ako. Sabi sa akin nung chiks, manonood na lang siya ng concert ni Arnel Pineda. Gaguh yun si Arnel Pineda ah. Huwag kayo magalit sa akin kung todo asar ko kay Arnel Pineda dahil sa kanya balik patingin tingin sa mga sexy na picture.
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tulad nga ng sabi ni arnel pineda pare parehas po tayong mga pilipino
to the mods i may suggest to review this thread ::dontflame
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ahahaha anak ng....
alam nang naguumpisa pa lang si charice kinicriticize na tsk tsk.
kung bakit ba di na lang muna tantanan at kapag lumabas na 1st album dyan kayo magsilabasang mga talangka!!
di nila ako fan pero ang gusto ko lang sa kanila eh nakakainspire ung buhay nila, nagsusumikap!
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what ever you say.. they are still popular nowadays dont be too harsh.. they worked hard for everything.. ^^, mas masama ung feeling na ibang nation pa nakadiscover sa knila para pasikatin cla.. they only sing kung anu ang pinapakanta sa kanila.. kung san cla mas bebenta.. remember.. they earn in a night what you may be earning for a year.. ^^,
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Nakita ko kagabi si Ka Freddie sa SNN. Ang sabi niya dapat daw ang kinanta ni Charice sa Oprah ay ang mga awitin ni Lucio San Pedro.
Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!
::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao
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sir soma total crab mentality pa rin to
ok lang na magcoment ka sa kanila
pero kahit saang anggolo crab mentality pa rein to
hinahatak mo ang kababayan mo pailalim!!!
kung ako sayo sir gawin mo silang motivation
para sumikat ka rin!!!
at sir ask ko lng sa tingin mo sasaya ka pagsumikat ka
dahil sa pagiging crab mentality mo!!!!????
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I am not a fan of Charize, honestly i dont know some songs she sang, kaya lang come to think of her joining top picked celebrities like U2 and others, performing in the inaugural of the President of USA and considering her talent was only recognized just recently. whew!thats something worth being proud of, her as our fellow kababayan. Not to mention the invitations from OPRAH, ELLEN, and other international engagements. Now this is the point, Has anybody ask Ka Freddie or other outspoken critics bakit wala sila na experience na ganyan during the glory days of their careers. Kahit pa gaano ka original o kaganda komposisyon mo kung pagkanta mo naman eh walang puso at damdamin at wala ka naman sa panlasa ng mga makikinig sau eh tae ka. We are all aware na packaging the artist on market is on play pero iba pa rin kung tunay nga ung produkto which is this case eh kaya naman ni charize to sing songs with her renditions displaying her own trademarks and voice power na di naman actually copycat which keeps people amazed.
Saka kinikilala sila internationally bilang isa sa mga superb performers and singer and not as "COMPOSERS". Saka mabuti nga ung ibang singers na sila Celine Dion eh proud pa kay charize singing their original songs. eh baka kung compositions ni freddie aguilar ang kantahin nun bata eh baka milyon muna hingin nya bago nya payagan.
Pareparehas tau pinoy sana try na lang natin to ride along and support whoever fellow na narerecognized across the globe. partida na nga yan di pa buong pinoy ang naniniwala sa kanila pero despite of the fact eh sikat pa din sila panu na lang kung lahat tau pinoy eh di mas lalo pa.Kahit Sikat pa sila ngaun eh di rin naman everlasting yan so why not help them reach the highest possible recognition of their talent. in a way This will also help other fellow pinoy with talents sa international market since people like charize, arnel and others have opened the gate of opportunity at naiparating na din ang message across globe na pinoy have so much potentials in the entertainment industry. KUDOS for them.!
Pero di talaga gaganda ang isang istorya kung walang KONTRA BIDA!hahaha peace!
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Im gonna say this once. ::redalert
Never make fun of pictures of our fellow members.
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Sa mga di sumangiyon sa opinyon ko:
To summarize what I mean sa blog is this (in case you just read the title and not the whole article thereby misenterpreting me)
I am happy on the recoginition that Arnel and Charice have given the nation BUT I HAVE YET TO BE PROUD OF THEIR MUSICALITY AND ARTISTRY (which I just mention sa blog kung bakit----namely Arnel trying to sound like Steve Perry and Charice whose talent is based solely on doing birit of songs already popularized by others).
We have had our tastes of Banigs, Jasmine Triases, Billie Hoe Crawfords whose careers went nowhere. Because what they have offered the international market is the same as what Arnel and Charice is offering.
The purpose of the article is not to be a crab but a call to uplift the quality and standard of the music we are sharing to the whole world and the Filipinos mature outlook towards it (sometimes our nationalist pride tend to sensationalize.) Thats why I would be proud only if there is a Filipino who will be showing his Pinoy musical ingenuity to the whole world. Someone whose music will be imitated rather than he or she the one imitating.
Now I dont know if you can call that crab mentality just on the mere fact that you criticize a kababayan because what you want is something more substantial.
Di ba its better in any aspect of life to:
Innovate instead of interpret
Create instead of imitate
Lastly, may mga Pinoys na proud naman ako who made it internationally----
like sa Sports: Manny Pacquiao, Brandon Vera, Batista.
Sa music...the closest I can think of is Apl De Ap of BEP pero he's more of an American than a homegrown talent.
Again kay Charice at Arnel happy lang ako pero di pa ko Proud (read the 1st paragraph of the said blog)
123 Kid and Lebron James <----masyado kayong affected, opinion lang to.
123kid <---- Next time sana post mo din yung picture mo. You just give justice to the saying that anonymity sometimes can give a person lots of guts.
geizmoh<--yep kelangan ng photoshop..... pixelated masyado eh. :)
Lebron James <---- Ang form of writing ko is satire. One that employs sarcasm and euphemisms (which is probably the first time you encounter.) Nanotice ko lang na ang mga history ng posts ko dun eh alam na alam mo. So probably you're an avid follower? Thank you then.
Isa lang naman ang solusyon dyan sa galit mo. Wag mong bisitahin yung blog. There's no sense if you'll follow it just to be offended. Anyway Im flattered that you are following it though your hatred is way over board leading you to give below the belt attacks.
So I hope those who misinterpreted me get my point.
Anyway may new post ako sa Filipina Celebs....Jackie Rice In The Flesh.
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meron na pala akong AKO MISMO tag....
ang sasabihin ko ay.... " AKO MISMO AY HINDI GAGAWA NG BLOG NA IKASISIRA NG KAPWA KO FILIPINO ".....
" We have had our tastes of Banigs, Jasmine Triases, Billie Hoe Crawfords whose careers went nowhere. Because what they have offered the international market is the same as what Arnel and Charice is offering. "
Halatang di ka galit sa mga artist natin na nasa international ah....
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im not stereotyping. i just cant stand Charice. she's got no appeal. she has her mini concert in Greenbelt and i've got a feeling that all her relatives sat to watch to fill the crowd.else, lalangawin sya din. she sounds like a videoke machine about to break. well, she's a good front for business that is why her managers take advantage of her "international sensation".
no comment for Arnel.
no appeal kaya pala ang layo na narating ni charice..wala palang appeal a..haha..mas malayo pa nga narating nya kesa kay regine e.
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@DjDaveTrance - Though it may seem irrelevant and considered flaming, my action is related to the points being brought by fellow posters in this thread. To start with, judging someone based on irrelevant criteria for the purpose of belittling achievements or opinion in his case.
Ang labo naman siguro kung sasabihin ko na banban siyang doctor dahil sa fat face niya. Walang basehan diba? Pareho lang kay Charice, napaka-inconsiderate naman kung mamaliitin yung achievements niya at gagamiting dahilan ang kakulangan o kahinaan sa pag sulat ng kanta. Una, hindi pa siya naglalabas ng original. So, pano mo magagamit na dahilan yun? At sa tingin ko wala pa naman siyang 30 siguro. Napakaaga para husgahan ang bata.
Hindi naman siguro katanggap tanggap kung sasabihin ko na hindi pwede pang artista yung mukha niya. Ang layo na masyado diba? Parang kay Arnel Pineda, pinalitan lang niya ang bokalista ng bandang Journey. Banda na dumaan na sa kasikatan nila at may sarili na rin mga kanta. Punto, bakit mo naman sasabihin na walang writing skills yung tao eh hindi naman siya kinuha para magsulat. At kahit siya pa nagsulat ng Like a Rolling Stone o Imagine, wala siya sa lugar para kantahin yun.
Same point, e ang pogeh niya eh!
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Ka Freddie or other outspoken critics bakit wala sila na experience na ganyan during the glory days of their careers.
if you read his Interview carefully on PEP magazine tinanggihan nya yung offer sa kanya na contract correct na lang kung mali ako. Means kung sakaling nagtrabaho si ka Freddie sa US at tinanggap yung offer tyak International hall of famer sya sa music or isa na sya sa pinagmamalaki natin ngayon
@mod
yung monkey issue AFAIK si Mariah Carey nagsabi nun kay Regine Velasquez
partida na nga yan di pa buong pinoy ang naniniwala sa kanila pero despite of the fact eh sikat pa din sila panu na lang kung lahat tau pinoy eh di mas lalo pa.Kahit Sikat pa sila ngaun eh di rin naman everlasting yan so why not help them reach the highest possible recognition of their talent.
hindi naman talaga everlasting ang kasikatan nila kung puro imitation ang gawin hahayaan ba natin na puro imitation ang gawin nila kase yung ang gusto nyo. the threadstarter wants na maging everlasting yung fame nila na tumatak sa international music industry or even sa history ng pinas na may legendary musician tayo.
pareng ereto anong ikasisira ng thread starter sa kapwa pilipino he only says na hindi sya natutuwa dahil imitation lang ang ginagawa nila paninira ba nayun
we don't need to be hypocrite with this matter
para hindi magkagulo let's define
Crab Mentality describes a way of thinking best described by the phrase...."if i can't have it, neither can you". It's a metaphor referring to a pot of crabs in which one of them tries to escape and instead is pulled down by the rest of them.
Criticism
1. The act of criticizing, especially adversely.
2. A critical comment or judgment.
3.
a. The practice of analyzing, classifying, interpreting, or evaluating literary or other artistic works.
b. A critical article or essay; a critique.
c. The investigation of the origin and history of literary documents; textual criticism.
he act or art of analyzing and evaluating or judging the quality of a literary or artistic work, musical performance, art exhibit, dramatic production, etc.
so paano nyo masasabi na may crab mentality si doc we need facts people?
doc use constructive criticism not na may crab mentality sya
Generally, constructive criticism should address an area that needs improving but does not speak to
the person’s self.
sinabi ni doc na sana gumawa sila ng original hindi puro imitation lang kung nagbabasa kayo. kahit na hindi sila composer maraming pinoy composer na magaling maski english ang kanta pwede sila mag-pacontest dun
another things is
In all cases, constructive criticism runs the danger of being perceived as negative.In these situations, it is unlikely that any criticism will actually provide help. Even when a person tries to present criticism in a non-emotional way, it may still be considered a personal attack. The only way to approach this is by truly being constructive, kind and helpful, and realizing that not all people are going to appreciate what you might have to say.
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.
Winston Churchill
The trouble with most of us is that we would rather be ruined by praise than saved by criticism.
Norman Vincent Peale
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" We have had our tastes of Banigs, Jasmine Triases, Billie Hoe Crawfords whose careers went nowhere. Because what they have offered the international market is the same as what Arnel and Charice is offering. "
Tignan nyo na lang kung paano niya babuyin ang pangalan ng mga pinoy artist, i wonder kung filipino ang doctor na to eh.
naiinggit ba siya sa mga filipino na me fame sa international???
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You said it well Brother. Amen to that toast:: finger4u
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@Idiot -
(1) With their talent, the future is very promising once they will get the chance to show their song writing skills.
(2) With all the fame and stardom, Charice and Arnel has yet to set themselves apart from the copycat Filipinos.
(3) Charice and Arnel may have all the vocal power you need but they don't have the brains to be considered an artist.
Notice the difference?
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To each his own.
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Bro, madaling araw pa lang siguro tuyot na kulangot mo? ;D
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Freddie Aguilar sa SNN
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docalbert ay si horsedick.mpeg
Yun lang masasabi ko. Sana maunawaan niyo siya.
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at least di ba daming bumisita sa kanyang blog....
para sumikat din...
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if you read his Interview carefully on PEP magazine tinanggihan nya yung offer sa kanya na contract correct na lang kung mali ako. Means kung sakaling nagtrabaho si ka Freddie sa US at tinanggap yung offer tyak International hall of famer sya sa music or isa na sya sa pinagmamalaki natin ngayon
Actually walang katiyakan na kung tinanggap ni Ka Freddie ang offer ng mga Kano, superstar na siya sa buong mundo ngayon. Kahit gumastos ng milyun-milyon para sa promotion niya ang record label eh nasa public pa rin ang may huling salita kung tatangkilikin ba nila ito. Si Carly Smithson, dating American Idol finalist, ay ini-launch na dati ng MCA Records at binigyan ng todo-todong promotion pero wala pang sampung libo ang nabenta ng CD niya kaya't sumali na lamang siya sa American Idol. At mismong si Taylor Hicks, na nanalo na sa American Idol, eh hindi umabot man lang ng platinum ang benta ng album niya. Kaya't puro drawing lang ang sabi ni Ka Freddie na kung itinuloy niya ang offer sa kanya eh lampaso sa kanya ang mga tiga-Nashville.
Sirang-sira na talaga siya sa mga Pinoy lalo na ng tinanong siya kung papayag ba siyang awitin ang Lupang Hinirang kapag naimbitahan siya. Ang sagot niya: Bayaran muna nila ang mataas kong talent fee!
Iyan ba ang Pinoy na dapat natin ipagmalaki???
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@doc
ano ba ang considered mo na original filipino music? ano ang ibig mong sabihin by being innovative? cite examples para meron basehan kung ano para sayo ang dapat standard at quality ng filipino music. Bakit singled out sila Arnel and Charice? (As I have said hindi ako fan pero I do not find any reason to belittle their achievements). Are you serious sa comment mo na si Apl De Ap ang binibigay mo na example as someone to be proud of internationally sa music industry? (ibig sabihin pasok sha sa basehan mo ng standard at quality ng filipino music?)
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AFAIK sa music industry medyo kulelat ang pinoy sa international kung meron siguro paki-sabi na lang except kay apl
apl de ap - kung pakikingan mo yung mga album nila may nakasingit na tagalog music
almost 7.5 million albums sold worldwide
sa 7.5M na album assume 1:1000 or 1:10,000 ang makikinig sa tagalog music kahit foreigner sya and fanatics will study his profile at malalaman nila na galing sya sa Pinas
unlike some industry kapag sinabi ang ganitong pangalan alam na alam nila
si charice at arnel lang ang medyo naka-aabot sa International fame kaya single-out ni doc therefore para ma maintain yung fame they need to evolve or else parang wala lang parang isang fairy tale na once upon a time naging singer sila. kapag wala na sila doon dun ba tayo manghihinayang???
hindi naman problema ang original composition kahit na hindi sila compositor maraming talented pinoy composer dyan na hindi lang nabibigyan ng break. they can use that
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I can see your point kung kay Charice apply yung Filipino composers since solo artist sha, although sa pag kakaalam ko sa industry ng music, bihira ang nakaka command ng sarili nilang genre or style of music unless established na talaga ang name ng artist, for all we know mas malaki ang creative control ng manager ni Charice keysa kay Charice mismo. Yung kay Arnel naman, marami na nagsabi kinuha sha ng Journey for his voice and not his talent to write, and hindi din mag aapply yung ibang Filipino composers unless magustuhan mismo ng Journey yung composition na yun. Pwera nalang kung mag solo artist si Arnel which he might do in the future pero as of now I don't think na meron shang malaking creative control sa songs ng Journey.
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if you read his Interview carefully on PEP magazine tinanggihan nya yung offer sa kanya na contract correct na lang kung mali ako. Means kung sakaling nagtrabaho si ka Freddie sa US at tinanggap yung offer tyak International hall of famer sya sa music or isa na sya sa pinagmamalaki natin ngayon
Sino sa atin ang makakaverify nyan kung totoo mang may offer nga sa kanya ang mga kano nuon.Kahit pa ako interbyuhin pede ko naman sabihin din yan wag lang ako mapahiya hindi na naman maveverify pa yan. and one thing siguro kaya nya tinaggihan if ever eh di naman talaga nya kaya or wala sya guts..
talking of his out of place patriotism eh bakit nya pina translate sa english version ang ibang mga kanta nya like 'anak"?kung well according to him eh gusto nya promote ang filipino languange sa global community. why wear US signatured clothes kung very patriot ka.especially wearing cowboy hats when in fact we are not western descendants. bakit ung anak nya si maegan eh wala sya nagawa sa career. kung malakas siya at may amor sa mga foreign entertainment producers
dapat cguro nagamit nya ung implwensya nya as legendary artist to give break sa kanyang anak. yabang na lang ng pagtanda at inggit ang umiral sa kanya. I dont think he can make a long run sa career nya sa US. sa SAUDI pede pa.
hindi naman talaga everlasting ang kasikatan nila kung puro imitation ang gawin hahayaan ba natin na puro imitation ang gawin nila kase yung ang gusto nyo. the threadstarter wants na maging everlasting yung fame nila na tumatak sa international music industry or even sa history ng pinas na may legendary musician tayo.
KAYA NGA so ngaun pa lang pababagsakin natin sila. to tell them na mali sila at alam ng TS at ni KA freddie ang pinaka best na gawin. Typical na "Dapat ganito, Dapat ganun"pero pag sila na ang gagawa di naman nila kayang gawin. Sila naman po eh nagtatrabaho lang in the first place.Ung ginagawa nila eh hinihinge ng pagkakataon And part ng trabaho nila ung kumanta ng mga piece na napasikat na nuon pa pero with different pitch different delivery and singing style.which to me eh di ko kinoconsider na imitation but rather innovation na din, kasi inaadapt nila sa bagong henerasyon ng mga nakikinig. ( Si Mariah carrey ba or si whitney houston eh wala bang kinopyang kanta nun sumisikat pa lang sila?remeber the songs of dolly parton.)Sa totoo lang wala man lang isa sa kanila ang nakasigurado nun una na makikilala sila globaly. it just came along na lang through their dedication, talent and will sa trabaho nila eh nakilala at na appreciate sila ng ibang lahi .sabi nga sa unang comments swak na swak ung luto nila ng "ADOBO". And since nandyan na sila sa tuktok ng pagkilala eh lets empower them more so that through them they can build and gain RESPECT para sa lahi natin and prove to them that we are not below the food chain pagdating sa entertainment industry. Yun lang naman eh. kung gusto natin irespeto tau ng ibang lahi dapat matuto muna tau iappreciate ang sarili natin. unless your not a pure blood filipino talagang kahit anung gawin at reaksyon natin eh di nla tau fully maiintindihan.
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Actually walang katiyakan na kung tinanggap ni Ka Freddie ang offer ng mga Kano, superstar na siya sa buong mundo ngayon. Kahit gumastos ng milyun-milyon para sa promotion niya ang record label eh nasa public pa rin ang may huling salita kung tatangkilikin ba nila ito. Si Carly Smithson, dating American Idol finalist, ay ini-launch na dati ng MCA Records at binigyan ng todo-todong promotion pero wala pang sampung libo ang nabenta ng CD niya kaya't sumali na lamang siya sa American Idol. At mismong si Taylor Hicks, na nanalo na sa American Idol, eh hindi umabot man lang ng platinum ang benta ng album niya. Kaya't puro drawing lang ang sabi ni Ka Freddie na kung itinuloy niya ang offer sa kanya eh lampaso sa kanya ang mga tiga-Nashville.
Sirang-sira na talaga siya sa mga Pinoy lalo na ng tinanong siya kung papayag ba siyang awitin ang Lupang Hinirang kapag naimbitahan siya. Ang sagot niya: Bayaran muna nila ang mataas kong talent fee!
Iyan ba ang Pinoy na dapat natin ipagmalaki???
Sus, si Freddie Aguilar? E wala namang kadeli-delekadesa sa katawan yang tao na yan e. Ubod ng hambog. Ayaw nya yung napapatungan ang pato nya. Yan ang eksaktong halimbawa ng utak talangka. Hindi ko lang matandaan kung saan nakakuha ng award si Jose Mari Chan, pero nag-react si Freddie na dapat sya yung unang nagkaroon ng ganoong award. Hindi ko lang matandaan kung anong award, si Bro Eromaniac siguro baka alam, malaki ang connection nyan sa music e. Kung itinuloy ko lang yung pangarap kong maging singer taob sa akin yan. Pinigil lang ako ng lola ko kasi tuwing magpa-praktis ako nababasag yung banga sa amin e. ;D
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^^Siguro yun award na tinutukoy mo ay yun DIAMOND PLATINUM award ni Joe Mari Chan. Noong araw kasi, ang katumbas ng platinum award ay 100,000 copies sold. Yun "Constant Change" album kasi ni Joe Mari Chan ang kauna-unahang plaka na na-certify ng PARI na nakaabot sa 10x platinum. Ang ibig sabihin ay naka-1 Million copies sold ang album niya.
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this is my second reply to all of this...arnel pineda auditioned to be with the band JOURNEY, THEY are looking for A singer to most obious reason "would AT LEAST sound like pareng Steve Perry" imagine Arnel Pineda sounding like Diomedes Maturan or Freddie Aguilar...Journey would have look for an African American and they would be thrilled or even PROUD about it...
in Charice's case bata pa yung tao marami pa itong mararating...no need to rush...
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this is my second reply to all of this...arnel pineda auditioned to be with the band JOURNEY, THEY are looking for A singer to most obious reason "would AT LEAST sound like pareng Steve Perry" imagine Arnel Pineda sounding like Diomedes Maturan or Freddie Aguilar...Journey would have look for an African American and they would be thrilled or even PROUD about it...
in Charice's case bata pa yung tao marami pa itong mararating...no need to rush...
Just wanna contradict sa naka bold text. Hindi po si Arnel Pineda nag Audition sa Journey. I saw a documentary before regarding the Arnel Pineda., Yes you are right they are looking for a singer that sounds like Steve Perry and it happen they saw Arnel Pineda in Youtube who sang one of the songs of Journey at yun ang mismong Member and Manager ng Journey pa ang nag Contact mismo sa Nagupload ng video sa Youtube para ma contact din si Arnel Pineda and the rest is history!
Hindi po nag Audition si Arnel Pineda sa Journey Band.
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Technically, nag-audition pa rin siya dahil ng pumunta siya sa America para humarap sa unang beses kay Neil Schon, pinakanta pa rin naman siya. Kumbaga stepping stone niya yun YouTube pero kinailangan pa rin niyang patunayan ang sarili niya sa meeting nila ni Neil.
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i disagree na sinasabi na kelangan ng originality para "gumanda" and "tangkilikin" ka.
lets say ayan si freddie aguilar na napaka original pinoy music diba
pero anong generation na ba ngayon? 19 kopong kopong pa ata yan at ang makaka appreciate lang nyan
eh panay tatay nanay lolo lola ko.
now baguhin naten. gawin nateng INNOVATION. yan si charice merong sariling style. innovate nya yung mga remake nya. innovation and being fresh = mabenta.
originality eh hndi lang naman puro kapinoyan gagawin mo o tagalog kakantahin mo. tunog kampana, tunog april boy, tunog freddie (if yun yung meaning mo ng original then, parang gaya na kasi may pinanggalingan rin yun).
yung kay pineda naman, wala xa choice kasi singer xa ng journey. tignan mo naman yung vocal range nya eh parang mas magaling pa xa dun sa original vox ng journey. big break nya na yung napunta xa sa journey and siguro someday makaka gawa na rin sya and perform ng sarili nyang kanta.
ang point ko lang eh... yung sinasabi nyong "orig" eh tapos na. kelangan tayong mag evolve and innovate para makasabay sa times ngayon. tignan nyo si ogie alcasid. he's very innovative. tagal na nya sa business kasi open minded xa. and original in his own sense.
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http://www.stir.ph/LM/articles~level2/id-1247452096612_4/ai-null/Freddies_monkey_business.html (http://www.stir.ph/LM/articles~level2/id-1247452096612_4/ai-null/Freddies_monkey_business.html)
Freddie’s monkey business
by: Edgar O. Cruz | STIR Editor (Chief Agitator)
13 Jul 2009 | 10:33 AM
STIR thinks Freddie Aguilar calling Regine Velasquez and Charice as monkeys and referring to Gary Valenciano as a Michael Jackson imitator show lack of understanding about the issue. For sure, they were intended to call attention to himself and his newly opened Ka Freddie’s Music Bar and Restaurant.
Gary and Arnel Pinedaâ€â€ÂÂeven if Freddie did not refer to him as suchâ€â€ÂÂwere correct in reacting to Freddie’s putdown. It was also correct Regine and Charice did not react as it would have dignified Freddie’s accusation.
It was never proven Mariah Carey referred to Pinoy singers as “monkeys†or “brown monkeys.†If Freddie’s definition of monkey is imitating the songs of other singers, not only Pinoy singers are monkeys but most singers, from Elvis Presley to the Beatles. Imitation comes in many forms, not only doing the songs of other artists.
Imitation is popular music is the topic of my book, “The Beatles: Extraordinary Plagiarists.†It traces how the Beatles started copying the songs of Black American artists. I called them not as monkeys but as White Negroes. White Negroes are White singers who imitate Black singers.
Freddie is known to be an outspoken person. He speaks his mind which makes him not a Pinoy type. But is he really serious in suggesting Charice should have done a Pinoy song at Oprah Winfrey’s show? If she did, Charice would have not mattered to Oprah’s global audience.
Perhaps he wanted Charice to do Pilita Corales’ “Dahil Sa “Yo†instead of Whitney Houston’s “I Have Nothing?†Funny suggestion! It was necessary for Charice to do a familiar English hit song so identification that she’s world class at her young age could be established fast.
Singers do other singers’ materials not to imitate but as a matter of convenience. Many start doing it that way because they are available materials they could start with. They have a tendency to interpret them in the manner of the original singer’s style. But that’s understandable. Didn’t Nat King Cole sing “Dahil Sa Yo†when he was already a made singer during a concert in the Philippines?
As you can see, singers have different reasons of their own in doing other singers’ materials. Freddie was wrong in making an issue out of Regine, Charice and Gary’s cases. Not all singers have the talent of composing their songs like him but even he used other artist’s materials. Didn’t he copy “Bayan Ko†from Florante? What’s the big deal?
In a globalized and multi-cultural world, mixing of cultures cannot be avoided. We have adapted a borderless mind and anything in between are considered as mindset. There are no longer “pure†artists and being nationalistic such as what Freddie desires is considered as ethnicity. In other words, Freddie’s mindset is outmoded.
Having called attention to himself and his Ka Freddie’s Music Bar and Restaurant, it looks more like monkey business for Freddie Aguilar.
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Just wanna contradict sa naka bold text. Hindi po si Arnel Pineda nag Audition sa Journey. I saw a documentary before regarding the Arnel Pineda., Yes you are right they are looking for a singer that sounds like Steve Perry and it happen they saw Arnel Pineda in Youtube who sang one of the songs of Journey at yun ang mismong Member and Manager ng Journey pa ang nag Contact mismo sa Nagupload ng video sa Youtube para ma contact din si Arnel Pineda and the rest is history!
Hindi po nag Audition si Arnel Pineda sa Journey Band.
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Budz, nag-audition si Arnel. Kaya sya pumunta ng Tate.
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Selos si Ka Freddie.... hihi...
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Budz, nag-audition si Arnel. Kaya sya pumunta ng Tate.
Ano ba yan tama na minamali pa.
Arnel Pineda received an invitation from Journey's manager to audition for the lead singer role.
Hindi ko alam kung kakulangan ng kaalaman o katipiran sa salita kung bakit tayo hindi nagkakaintindihan. Sa susunod, pwede extra effort naman sa pag gawa ng sentence. Huwag yung tagpi-tagpi at walang kalaman kalaman o parang tahol lamang.
Maraming salamat.
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Ano ba yan tama na minamali pa.
Arnel Pineda received an invitation from Journey's manager to audition for the lead singer role.
Hindi ko alam kung kakulangan ng kaalaman o katipiran sa salita kung bakit tayo hindi nagkakaintindihan. Sa susunod, pwede extra effort naman sa pag gawa ng sentence. Huwag yung tagpi-tagpi at walang kalaman kalaman o parang tahol lamang.
Maraming salamat.
Budz, yung ulo mo wag mong gawing pastulan ng kuto. Ginagamit yan. Ayun sa taas o, sinabi mo.: Arnel Pineda received an invitation from Journey's manager to audition for the lead singer role.. NAKATANGGAP SYA NG INVITATION PARA "MAG-AUDITION" AS LEAD SINGER. Ano tawag mo doon? E di audition. Pumunta ba sya sa AFRICA? Hindi ba sa tate? Hehehe. Awooooo! ;D
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Budz, yung ulo mo wag mong gawing pastulan ng kuto. Ginagamit yan. Ayun sa taas o, sinabi mo.: Arnel Pineda received an invitation from Journey's manager to audition for the lead singer role.. NAKATANGGAP SYA NG INVITATION PARA "MAG-AUDITION" AS LEAD SINGER. Ano tawag mo doon? E di audition. Pumunta ba sya sa AFRICA? Hindi ba sa tate? Hehehe. Awooooo! ;D
I didn't say you're wrong. I didn't say DjDaveTrance was wrong. You were both right. That you have to understand.
You corrected DjDaveTrance's statement. You didn't add to his statement. You replaced his offered information.
(Pwede ko tagalugin para sayo)
Just wanna contradict sa naka bold text. Hindi po si Arnel Pineda nag Audition sa Journey. I saw a documentary before regarding the Arnel Pineda., Yes you are right they are looking for a singer that sounds like Steve Perry and it happen they saw Arnel Pineda in Youtube who sang one of the songs of Journey at yun ang mismong Member and Manager ng Journey pa ang nag Contact mismo sa Nagupload ng video sa Youtube para ma contact din si Arnel Pineda and the rest is history!
Hindi po nag Audition si Arnel Pineda sa Journey Band.
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I didn't say you're wrong. I didn't say DjDaveTrance was wrong. You were both right. That you have to understand.
You corrected DjDaveTrance's statement. You didn't add to his statement. You replaced his offered information.
(Pwede ko tagalugin para sayo)
Gigil na gigil ka, para kang puputok na alomoranas sa gigil. Awooo.... sige tagalugin mo nga. Sige nga o, salatin mo nga yung tenga ko, o sige nga hawakan moko sa kamay o. a hindi nya kaya. Bee... ;D
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remember guys..... ::dontflame ::dontflame ::dontflame
or else ma lolock ang thread na 'to.....
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