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Mga Ka espiya......ano ang masasabi ninyo dito?.....


WASHINGTON (AFP) - A Chinese submarine collided with an underwater sonar array towed by the destroyer USS John S. McCain off the coast of the Philippines, CNN television said, quoting a US official who said it was an "inadvertent encounter."
 
The array, used to locate underwater sounds, was damaged in the incident, but the military official said the sub and ship did not collide.

The US Navy did not consider the event a case of deliberate harassment, CNN reported.

In March this year two tense standoffs between US and Chinese vessels in the South China Sea triggered accusations by the United States that China was behaving in an "aggressive" manner.


China later said a US naval vessel involved in the incident with Chinese fishing boats in the Yellow Sea had violated maritime law, and urged the United States to take steps to avoid a repetition.

Philippine Navy officer-in-command Vice Admiral Ferdinand Golez said they have no information on the alleged incident.

He also said that the USS John S. McCain was not in the Philippines and that Chinese submarines should not be passing through Philippine waters. However he admitted that the Philippine military has no equipment to detect such submarines. :o


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mga corrupt nga sa gobyerno ni arroyo di na ma-DETECT...yan pang sub ng China... ;D
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mga corrupt nga sa gobyerno ni arroyo di na ma-DETECT...yan pang sub ng China... ;D



nice one bro!........ ;D

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These are the types of situations that clearly show kaya hindi tayo ginagalang ng ibang bansa - wala tayong military hardware to prevent incursions in Philippine waters.  Pwede tayong bastos bastusin ng ibang bansa, pasok sa ating territorial waters at any moment without us knowing.  We can not detect kasi walang pang detek.  At bakit? Kasi hindi tayo makabili dahil any purchase has to get the US approval because of the Military Assistance Pact.  Kaya dapat ito ang pagtuunan ng Kongreso, na ito ay mawala.  Naipasa pa ito nuon 1947 and present geopolitics necessitates a review of this napaka Jurassic na tratado.

Of course, maski may banggaan or labanan na ng mga submarino or barko right under our noses eh hindi yan aaminin ng maski sinong foreign government na involved at walang tangang pamahalaan na magsasabi na may naganap na banggaan or salpukan. That would be tantamount to admitting that they indeed entered our territory.  Besides, they don't want to alarm the other Asean government so they have to show a facade of peace and harmony in this area.  Meron ba kayong nabalitaan nun occupy ng Singapore ang isang isla ng Malaysia kamakailan lang?

The Philippine Navy can never do its job well unless we scrap the Military Assistance Pact.

We can never rely on any foreign government to protect us.  We have been let down during World War II and we can not allow a repetition of the same.


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napupunta lang sa bulsa ng mga pulitiko ang dapat sana na pang military budget ng bansa natin eh.......

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Sasabihin nanaman nila walang budjet pra sa pambili ng mga equipments. simple lang nman solusyon dyan, magpasa lang sila ng batas sa congeso na patawan ng 1% tax  ung mga nakukurakot ng lhat ng naka pwesto sa kasalukuyang administrasyon sigurado khit na yung pinaka advance na equipment mabilili na ng Pilipinas. Dagdagan mo pa ng mga submarine at aircraft carrier.

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pahabol lang........ >:(

Opinion: New danger in our seas

by: Prof. H. Harry L. Roque, Jr.

The collision last weekend between a Chinese submarine and a sonar array being towed by an American destroyer highlights a threat to Philippine security made possible by the recently enacted Baselines law.

Prior to the enactment of the said law, the waters in and around the islands of our archipelago were “internal waters." Foreign vessels, including submarines and warships, could not “sail through" our internal waters without our express consent.

Under customary international law, these vessels may only “sail through" that maritime zone known as the territorial seas or the waters within 12 nautical miles from our baselines.

The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Seas, as implemented by the 2009 Baselines law, does away with this prohibition as it now classifies the waters in and around our islands as “archipelagic waters." Now, submarines and warships not only have the right to innocent passage, but aircraft may also exercise the right to overflight, with or without our consent.

This is precisely why concerned citizens led by Prof. Merlin Magallona of the University of the Philippines College of Law impugned the constitutionality of the Baselines law.

Yet this is perhaps why Philippine and American authorities, despite wire reports quoting sources that the collision occurred “off the coast of Subic," now insist that the accident could have happened in international waters. The sonar array being towed by the US destroyer John McCain (named after the former presidential candidate's father) was a long underwater cable with hydrophones for listening to objects emitting sound, such as other countries' submarines.

If the collision did occur a stone’s throw away from the former American naval facility, it may yet convince the magistrates of the Philippine Supreme Court of the folly of the legislation implementing the provisions of the UNCLOS relative to the regime applicable to archipelagic states.

Certainly, the collision is one of the many dreaded possibilities that opponents of the law have stated in their petition. But beyond these constitutional issues, this incident highlights even more difficult issues that should now be the subject of intense public debate.

To begin with, while the UNCLOS grants foreign submarines and warships the right to innocent passage through territorial seas and archipelagic waters, it must be a continuous and uninterrupted journey intended only to pass through these waters.

And yet, the question is: what were the Chinese submarine and the American destroyer John McCain doing in our waters in the first place? The waters off Subic are not used as established sea lanes precisely because the South China Sea already serves that purpose.

Moreover, what was an American destroyer with submarine-tracking sonar equipment doing in such close proximity to a Chinese submarine “off the coast of Subic?"

Philippine and American authorities would want us to believe that the collision was purely accidental and that their proximity to each other was coincidental.

The more likely scenario, however, was that the John McCain, specially fitted to detect submarines, could have been in pursuit of the Chinese submarine.

Philippine Navy officials have at least conceded that they did not receive any request from either the Chinese or the Americans to have their vessels sail through our waters. This was enough for the Philippine Navy to conclude that in the absence of such a request, the collision could only have happened in international waters. But that accords the superpowers too much benefit of the doubt.

The more plausible scenario is that they were in fact in a dangerous naval power game of hide-and-seek and could simply not care less that they were doing it in Philippine waters for two reasons: one, the sorry state of our navy; and two, the continuing subservience of the
Arroyo government to both Beijing and Washington, D.C. would make any protest from our end wholly immaterial and irrelevant.

Further, the 1987 Constitution provides for a state policy that declares the Philippines to be a nuclear-free zone. How do we now implement this policy when Congress has just granted all vessels, including nuclear-powered ones, access to almost the entirety of our waters? Worse, in case of radioactive contamination as a result of a collision, who will pay for the cost of clean-up? An even more basic question is, do we already have the technology to deal with such radioactive contamination in the first place?

We may never know what really happened between the Chinese and American navies in or near our waters. Officials of both countries, as well as the Philippines, will invoke their national security in refusing to divulge all the facts pertaining to the collision.

The refusal of all the countries concerned to even acknowledge where the collision occurred violates the right of the Filipino people to information on matters involving our public interest.

This is perhaps why the incident is proof that our waters, particularly with the Baselines law, have indeed become dangerous seas.

The author is a professor at the University of the Philippines' College of Law and is chairman of the Center for International Law.


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chinese sub in Philippine water? di na bago to. di na ako nag taka dito.

from my point of view, sa US destroyer yata nag espiya yung p^t@ng chinese sub. ano naman espiyahin nya sa navy natin, eh, matagal na nila alam kakayahan natin. yun lang...

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well kahit nga sa mga surface crafts aminadong hirap makadetect ang navy natin...sa submarine detection pa kaya?

Ang mas nakakabahala eh ang pagpasok ng mga nuclear subs sa teritoryo natin na kahit na malinaw na bawal sa constitution natin ang nuclear weapons

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well kahit nga sa mga surface crafts aminadong hirap makadetect ang navy natin...sa submarine detection pa kaya?


can you elaborate why PN has hard time ditecting surface craft?

radar has limited range friend. even USN radar has its own limitation with regads to range. that makes P-3 Orion do the job.

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kakaunti lang kasi ang mga navy boats din sa pilipinas....

even yun mga smugglers(human, goods & drugs) ay mahirap din nila ma detect (baka may suhol din kasi......)

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can you elaborate why PN has hard time ditecting surface craft?

radar has limited range friend. even USN radar has its own limitation with regads to range. that makes P-3 Orion do the job.

karamihan ng mga P3 eh laging sira  laffman::

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dami kasi factor na coconsider dito eh kaya ang hirap talaga:

pondo, corruption, international politics and our country being an archipelago..

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  daming mga laws against invasion of territorial waters kung anu anu pa....

tama si Harry Roque meron laws diyan so what!?  do we have capabilities to detect that Chinese are already invading our waters?

Hindi nga natin ma detect ang mga illegal na intsik na makikita sa Quiapo sa ilalim pa kaya ng dagat!!  :P   :P

magkaka World War 3 na sa Philippine sea tulog pa rin tayu...

kailan pa kaya tayu magkaka roon ng Aircraft carrier!
   ??? ??? ??? baka bukas...  ;D
 
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napaka imposible magkaroon ng carrier ang pilipinas..lets say magkaroon man tayo siguro di rin magtatagal kasi masyadong magastos pagdating sa fuel pa lang chaka supply

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karamihan ng mga P3 eh laging sira  laffman::


i dont know wer you get this info. before you laugh hope you can support some fact...

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ok teka hahanap lang ako ng scan nung dyaryo namin dito

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http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/08/navy_orions_082408w/

here you go.........


fair enough.. toast::


karamihan ng mga P3 eh laging sira  laffman::

in this case lets not forget the age of the aircraft, the flight hour etc..
its old but still safe to fly. its a matter of maintenance problem.


cant comment more im not air craft expert. ::secret

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i know more when it comes to hornets,super hornets,prowler,hawkeyes and the occassional COD

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wag muna yang mga subs ang problemahin... yung baha tuwing bagyo muna baka kasi lumubog bigla ang pilipinas yan tuloy dadaan daanan na lang tayo ng mga sub ::lmao

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Re: Chinese sub smashes US destroyer's sonar and it is in Philippines coast....
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2009, 01:51:24 pm »
wag muna yang mga subs ang problemahin... yung baha tuwing bagyo muna baka kasi lumubog bigla ang pilipinas yan tuloy dadaan daanan na lang tayo ng mga sub ::lmao
Ya right. Internal conditions should take precedence. Let the Amricans and chinese have their wars. The chinese dont need to use their subs to spy on us. Dami dito Chikwa sa atin..hehehehe....fifth column ba ;D