Topic: ROTC / military trainng for college students... makatulong ba?

[paklups]

military training bwahahahaha

sa bandang huli nasa tao din yan
kung handa silang kumitil ng buhay

[neckromancer]

@Idiot: Hindi rin naman kailangan turuan ng tactics kung susunod lang ang duty ng mga sundalo. It is better served as a dish to the officers in charge of tactics. Parang hindi democratic, pero ganyan ang chain of command, may iba-ibang responsibilities talaga.

Ang ayaw ko lang dito ay yung inconsistency na makikita mo. Iba-ibang school, iba-iba rin ang style ng implementation ng ROTC kahit magcompare pa tayo ng notes. Hindi ka makakabuo ng unified fighting force niyan. Mabuti sana kung gawing per region ang training, directly under a special division of the Army imbes na per school. Tapos huwag gawing required. Voluntary dapat pero dapat may incentives tulad ng scholarship (kapalit ng tour of duty).

Kung Boy Scouts naman, OK ang discipline at skills, pero WE are not trained to be soldiers. Iyan ang natutunan ko sa Scoutmaster namin.

[rayn1984]

ROTC



honestly dahilan nila for reserve kung may invasion nag-reresearch ba sila ng current warfare

ang labanan ngayon aerial bombardment at cruise missile handa ba tayo sa mga ganun , ni mga eroplano natin donations lang 

ang nalaman ko lang sa ROTC

1. kumain ng sandwhich
2. magdonate ng dugo para may libreng absent
3. martsa ng konti
4. at umupo

malayo sa tunay na ROTC ng china at america

sa america may camp sila at may mock fighting sila dun

sa china dadalhin sila sa training camp for ilang linggo

sa Israel e isusugod ka nila sa gyera

sa Germany may part dun mag-drive ka ng howitzer tank mas maganda ROTC nila

sa atin wala

1.kung sana tinututruan tayo paano gumawa ng campo
2. kung paano magtago sa urban at jungle
3. tapos gumawa sila ng game yung natalo tatakbo sa campus na walang damit

at least masaya

it's not as simply as that. kung ganon edi dapat wala ng sundalong puti na nag babase  as middle east at puro bomba na lang gagawwin nila. kung sasabihin mo naman na kung ang kalaban e walang pakielam sa civilian, hindi aerial bombing ang mangyayari, nuclear attack lang ang gagawin para matapos ng mabilis ang pagsakop nila. diba?

pero aggree ako sa huli mong sinabi noong nag rotc ako sa mapua dati ,, martsya tayo upo magbilad sa araw at kumain ng siopao lang ang natutunan ko

[simpleng_espiya]

makakatulong sana to kung may isang program and curriculum lang and lahat ng ROTC curriculum sa buong bansa..
tapos voluntary lang pero may incentives sa lahat ng volunteers..

sana din may fighting drills o yung parang culmination activity sa lahat ng natutunan mo sa buong ROTC subject na sasalihan ng iba't-ibang colleges and universities..

gawin lang sanang maayos ang implementation ng program maganda sana to..

[batang espiya]

Nakakatulong din siguro ang ROTC kahit na papaano.... pero hindi na sya praktikal....

Mas maraming DISADVANTAGES kaysa advantages....

Pag gusto tayo sakupin ng mga mayayaman at makapangyarihang mga nasyon, hindi naman tao sa tao ang labanan....

Mga satellite-guided missiles, unmanned aircrafts, etc muna ang ipapadala nila... kaya habang naghahanda pa lang tayo sa "FORMATION" papasabugin na tayo!!! HAHAHAHA

(sad, but true!)

[xzane]

for me NO....they teach us nothing! they promote stereo typing! corruption, hazzing, harassment, powertriping....why would you want to be dectated in your way of life...if they want to promote military reservation that shoul be by choice, they should not impose it to people that dont want it, dont like it, dont care, for it! dont force it to other student that dont want that s.H.I.t...in college sundays is the only rest we have.. why would those sadistic MF take that away from us? they dont have the right to do that. in college we chance to grew our hair long? why cut it? just because some EGG HEAD wanna be WAR hero told you SO! if you think undergoing to that traing would make tough, do so! but for me ITS  WASTE OF TIME, MONEY, EN YOUR LIFE.....U WANNA BE TOUGH? LIVE YOUR LIFE AND SURVIVE

[neckromancer]

Natutunan ko sa paglalaro ng wargames at pagreresearch tungkol sa history ng warfare, hindi mawawala ang role ng infantry sa giyera. Lalo na kung teritoryo ang pinaglalabanan, kailangang may tao para mapanatili ang position at ground na nabawi o nakamkam mula sa kalaban.

Kung counter-argument natin ang presence ng nuclear weapons, na kapag idineploy na sa isang area ay hindi mo na pwedeng palagyan ng sundalo para bantayan ito, ang masasagot ko naman, hindi naman ito ang gamit ng nuclear weapons. Ang nuclear weapons ay mas madalas ginagamit bilang deterrent o panakot o pangyabang. Kung magamit man ito laban sa ibang bansa, it ay may iba pang epekto na masusing pinag-aralan ng Tactics and Intelligence ng bansang may hawak nito. Tignan natin ang epekto sa buong mundo noong unang pinasabog ang bombang nuclear sa Japan. Pati na rin ang epekto ng mga nuclear tests sa iba't ibang nuclear power.

[gkhan]

for me NO....they teach us nothing! they promote stereo typing! corruption, hazzing, harassment, powertriping....why would you want to be dectated in your way of life...if they want to promote military reservation that shoul be by choice, they should not impose it to people that dont want it, dont like it, dont care, for it! dont force it to other student that dont want that s.H.I.t...in college sundays is the only rest we have.. why would those sadistic MF take that away from us? they dont have the right to do that. in college we chance to grew our hair long? why cut it? just because some EGG HEAD wanna be WAR hero told you SO! if you think undergoing to that traing would make tough, do so! but for me ITS  WASTE OF TIME, MONEY, EN YOUR LIFE.....U WANNA BE TOUGH? LIVE YOUR LIFE AND SURVIVE

And who do u expect to defend you or your home or your lifestyle if one day, Malaysia or China decided to invade us? Do you think your long hair will frighten a Chinese invader or your Sunday rest day will give you the strength to wage a defense against a Malaysian intrusion?  Look at a reality and this is being kept - Singapore has occupied an island which is a Malaysian territory.  Malaysia just kept its cool to avoid an escalation of conflict in the Asean Region but the reality is binastos na ang Malaysia and this incident is being kept under wraps. Spratly rightfully belongs to the Philippines pero binastos na tayo pero may magawa ba tayo?  Note that the Philippines has all the natural resources that China needs and we are always a good source for their needs.  So what will stop them from doin so?  Problema ng malaki ng China ngayon ang pagkain. If they attack, do you think that after one day of the attack, US forces are already here the following day to defend us? At pag nangyari yun, ano ang gagawin mo? You will continue to play with your computer games and listen to your celphone music?  The country never had an inkling that the Japs would invade during WWII but they invaded us and we were never prepared when that happen.  Wala naman tayong kaaway na bansa pero nilusob pa rin tayo at pinahirapan ang ating mga kababayan.  If everyone has your attitude and never prepared for any eventuality, you can defend your sister or your mom when some Indonesian or Chinese comes knocking at your doorstep?  The strength of Israel or Switzerland or Singapore comes because of a citizenry militarily prepared at all times.

[Idiot]

The problems we keep comparing other countries Military strength

Israel
Their Military enlistment was compulsory and prerequisite for college entrance

China
They have also a military training a 1 whole week of military training

unlike in Pinas
college student were bombarded with lots of assignment and exams and having a ROTC was a hassle

war nowadays is not like the old war where a huge military power in terms of soldier and equipments will turn the tide of war

war nowadays is missile power, air superiority, and artillery bombardment

what if china invades?

If china invades us we can't do nothing - they have military superiority  even we resist they will look at us a small fry
1. we don't have any decent armament maybe "paltik" will do
 
 

 

 

[asanti]

If we can not do anything when there is an invader then why do we maintain an standing army ... disband na lang yan at pulis na lang lahat

kaso hindi ganoon eh.... against all odds if the really want to invade us we can make it very hard for them that they will think twice on doing it and wish on going back home..... behind its modern hardware is a human soldier that can be neutralized or killed .. i am a reservist and my units motto is " make do can do " 

[paklups]

wahahaha

if a country with strong industrial power attacks the philippines
baka magtayo muna sila ng factory dito
tapos roll-out mga tanks and aircraft
diretso sa attack
tapos walang makakalapit sa factory kasi may katabing tesla coils
parang red alert lang
bwahahahaha

[rayn1984]

i guess ang unang topic e kung makakatulong ang rotc, hindi kung ano ang kahihinatnan ng pinas pagkatapos girahin.

siguro noong panahon ni marcos noong diretsyo at masinsinan ang pag trtrain malamang oo makakatulong ang rotc,

-mabuild up ang pakikipagsocialize
-maging responsable
-at magkaroon ng sightings sa mga ibatibang elemento

pero sa panahon ngayon ang silbi ng rotc ay hindi para magkaron ng mga reserves.

ang tunay na silbi nito ay para mdagdagan ang mga availble courses or subjects na makakadagdag sa babayaran sa tuition. nattural kung sa side ka ng skwelahan pabor na pabor ka na mag ka rotc

[Idiot]

f we can not do anything when there is an invader then why do we maintain an standing army ... disband na lang yan at pulis na lang lahat

kaso hindi ganoon eh.... against all odds if the really want to invade us we can make it very hard for them that they will think twice on doing it and wish on going back home..... behind its modern hardware is a human soldier that can be neutralized or killed .. i am a reservist and my units motto is " make do can do "

our army use for quelling rebels

we can make it hard for them if the country came from a far away location what if china invade us
they have    2,255,000 active military (correct if I'm wrong)
they have 800,000 active reserve (correct if I'm wrong)
They have 3,969,000 active paramilitary forces compared to Pinas 158,000 paramilitary forces

overall country population, male and female, of persons that might be available for military service.
729,323,673 china
46,724,739 Philippines

if china invades us it is a overkill

if a country with strong industrial power attacks the philippines
baka magtayo muna sila ng factory dito
tapos roll-out mga tanks and aircraft
diretso sa attack
tapos walang makakalapit sa factory kasi may katabing tesla coils
parang red alert lang
bwahahahaha

it is plausible

My Grandmother said before the Japanese invaded Philippines, They seen some japanese marrying pinays at the time of  the commonwealth acting as merchants or something

[asanti]

I believe you have the right statistics but invading a country like ours is not done by numbers alone.. we have the advantage of knowing the geography and resources to make them suffer .. and not all chinese standing army can invade us they have to leave some for thier own protection there... imagine the logistics involve of invading another country in a total war.. equiptments , fuel, ammo , and support services ... thats where we can hit them and we can do it only if we had even some rudimentary military training .. we can not just roll over and welcome them ..... he he   

[Zornhau]

A Chinese invasion would be much easier if we share borders with them on land. But we have a barrier which is the south china sea. Yes they have modern ships and advanced aircraft. But how many can they send in a wave to make sure they can gain a strong foothold? That would be limited to how many transportation ships they can muster in an invasion attempt. Meron nga silang missiles long range bombers and aircraft. But Bombardment is different from Invasion. Invasion would require your military to gain strong foothold on enemy soil. Di ko alam kung gaano kadami at gaano kataas ang capacity ng assault ships ng PLAN (peoples liberation army navy) pero di ako naniniwala na tataas ang capacity na ito over hundreds of thousands. To invade a country like the philippines, a nation would need hundreds of thousands to secure it. Yes China has a kick-ass navy and airforce but I doubt if they have enough transportation vehicles to secure and invade a nation successfully.