Topic: Programming: Para po sa mga taong may career as programmers.

[pikapika2501]

I need your advise. Mga Boss, pano po ba maconvince na mag-aral ng programming. marunong naman ako ang problema lang nag resign ako sa previous job ko (call center). ngayong e-cocontinue ko na ang career ko with programming, medyo ang hirap mag basa. ang hirap mag simula.

ano ba ang motivation nyo kung wala kayong pressure. may up coming crash course ako ng programming (well known OOP) kaya lang the schedule is still tentative dahil nag adjust ito (tatlo pa lang ang bayad). ayaw ko sanang sayangin ang oras kaya lang wala talagang pressure eh. hirap akong buksan ang libro ko para magbasa.

Please help me. additional scenario, hindi naman kami mahirap, kumakain naman ako araw-araw, wala nang pinapaaral ang tatay ko, maganda naman computer ko. hmm "Pano ko e-momotivate ang sarili ko".

I will greatly appreciate all of your advice(s), thank you mga ka espiya.

[euan]

mas madaling matutunan 'yung programming kung talagang gagawa ka ng codes kesa sa magbabasa ka...

hindi mo na kailangan ng motivation kung hilig mo talaga ang mag-code. ngayon, kung wala kang kahilig-hilig sa programming, mahihirapan ka talagang magsimula...

[lex luthor]

Tip ko lang kung gusto mo talaga, magkaroon ka ng pasensiya talaga. Nakakairita kasi maging developer lalo na kapag may problema gawa mo tapos di mo maayos kapag my bug.

[pikapika2501]

sa mga reply sa taas... hmm gustong gusto ko pong mag program. nanalo na rin po ako ng awards sa kilalang university as best programmer. kaya lang syempre ngayon gusto kong magbasa at simulan ulit. nakahanda na ang pc ko. naka install na yung program. ngayon naman di ko magets bat hindi ko kayang simulan. pano ba tanggalin ang katamaran. pano ba mamotivate. point ko kasi walang pressure sa ngayon eh. may way ba? any suggestion(s)

(thank you po sa mga nag reply, im reading them).

[pikapika2501]

sa mga nagbabasa. sana po mag-iwan naman po kayo ng advice.

[o2g]

parang ganun din ako... i need advice din... 

[buster14344]

I'm a programmer.... actually d2 ako ngaun sa office...... 8:30 pa ang office hours eh (medyo maaga pa ako). motivation?? kung magbabasa k lng ng books, di ka talaga gaganahan mag-code with all the "meaning of this-meaning of that" things..... kung may setup k n at ready for programming pero wala k nmang ideas, mahirap din magsimula. Siguro much better nga kung kukuha k ng crash course.... Ung motivation dun e pag binibigyan kayo ng programs na gagawin... Ung tipong assignment na may deadline at kailangan mong ipa-check..... hehe. mahirap kc magsimula pag wala kang idea sa gusto mong result o output. To start sa paggawa ng program, ano b ang gusto mong output? =)

[Ravenmaya]

hanap ka ng company na gagawan mo ng program. tapos pag nakahanap ka na mag deal kayo sa price. ayon mapipilitan ka ng gumawa kc pera na yan. tsaka mahihiya kang hindi gawin ung program pag nakapag deal na kayo. like me. tanggap me ng tanggap kaya ngaun patong patong mga ginagawa kong program. di ko na matanggihan kc uma asa na clang magagawa ko.huhuhu! tska my advance payment na cla!

[sinister]

Alam mo pikapika, kung motivation ang problema mo pede mo makuha yan sa labas with your friends and here sa mga co-spies, but the best motivation will come from yourself. First thing first, ano bang strategy ng pag study ang gusto mo? do you want to do it by your own like reading programming books? or you want to learn with a group like taking a crash course, you have to decide.

Now, if you want to do it on your own, my suggestion is select the best programming language you want to use and database as well, then find somebody who needs a certain computerized program let say movie rental system, anything, then use it as your project to conduct your own system testing and if it works give it free to the one where you get the specifications of how they want the program to run. You need somebody to interview on their needs like what types of reports and recording they want. I guess this is pressure already if you have a simple project where you will apply and test all the things that you will read and learn from the books.

Hope this helps you somehow, good luck bro!

[chew_explorer]

my 2 cents, if you are not happy with what you are doing...stop it....you must enjoy at all times with what you are doing....

find happiness....reinvent yourself.......

[juan pablo]

Hindi ako programmer pre, pero kung motivation ang problema mo tama si sinister, ikaw ang pinaka makakamotivate sa sarili mo. Ngayon kung ang problema naman ay inspiration or idea, maghanap ka sa internet ng mga sample na code or program na gusto mo, dagdag motivation din kasi yun kapag gusto mo yung gagawin mong code or program, kapag motivated ka na pwede ka na gumawa ng program para sa iba, kung magsisimula ka kasi gumawa para sa iba may pressure yan, unless libre mo gagawin para walang reklamo ung gagawan mo ng program.

[[KH]FuzzyLogic]

Wow parang sa mga ibang nagsabi madali lang ang programming huh? Programming is not like what you think that running this and that without that or just for fun. *Cough* learning to be a programmer takes time, patience, and most especially understanding flooding concepts about systems. Your motivation is what? Ok skill ang pagiging programmer and its a talent. Parang sayaw at pagkanta lahat tayo marunong kumanta at sumayaw pero its a natural talent if tlagang magaling ka. Why ask your self muna? Programming in the real world is different if inaakala nyo na madali 2ng nagkakamali kayo. Ah nga pala ang isa pang napaka-importante is ung attitude at discipline. And making a program is not like hey I want to do this stuff in your part its ok its what they call practice but in the real world na 22ong system men; dadaan ka sa maraming process di basta basta yan toinks gawa na panu ung iba are you sure your program is bug free, what method did you use para mabuo ung system? pano ung algorithm nya? How about how it works and how the user feel. If you really want to motivate yourself,

TIME, PATIENCE, ATTITUDE, AND DISCIPLINE. alam ko alam mo to na building a program is not like sex. Ganyan gamit ko ung apat na yan para success ako sa paggawa ng system. Tsaka mahirap ding pilitin ang sarili if ayaw di ba? Ako nga love ko magbasa ng books 2ngkol sa Computer it reflects my course anyway. BSCS

And one thing reading is learning be a bookworm. The book is your friend.

[Uncle_bob]

advise ko sayo mag self study ka anjan nmn c google eh.. maraming matutulong yan.. sya ang "MASTER" kaya wag kang mag alala tapos kung may tanong ka, tanong mo lng dito pipilitin naming sagutin ang tanong ko sa abot ng aming makakaya.. mas madali mong matututunan ang programming kung ikaw mismo ang nkatuklas at tinuro sayo kasi for sure hindi mo mkakalimutan yun kahit mag karon ka ng amnesia.. nyaks! 

Goodluck sa pag aaral mo basta tanong klng.. at mag excel ka sa programming language na pinili mo..

(advise ko sayo mag JAVA ka - j2me , at PHP dhil yan ang in demand ngayon.. malaki bayad sa mga programmers na yan..like me hehe)

[Uncle_bob]

Wow parang sa mga ibang nagsabi madali lang ang programming huh? Programming is not like what you think that running this and that without that or just for fun. *Cough* learning to be a programmer takes time, patience, and most especially understanding flooding concepts about systems. Your motivation is what? Ok skill ang pagiging programmer and its a talent. Parang sayaw at pagkanta lahat tayo marunong kumanta at sumayaw pero its a natural talent if tlagang magaling ka. Why ask your self muna? Programming in the real world is different if inaakala nyo na madali 2ng nagkakamali kayo. Ah nga pala ang isa pang napaka-importante is ung attitude at discipline. And making a program is not like hey I want to do this stuff in your part its ok its what they call practice but in the real world na 22ong system men; dadaan ka sa maraming process di basta basta yan toinks gawa na panu ung iba are you sure your program is bug free, what method did you use para mabuo ung system? pano ung algorithm nya? How about how it works and how the user feel. If you really want to motivate yourself,

TIME, PATIENCE, ATTITUDE, AND DISCIPLINE. alam ko alam mo to na building a program is not like sex. Ganyan gamit ko ung apat na yan para success ako sa paggawa ng system. Tsaka mahirap ding pilitin ang sarili if ayaw di ba? Ako nga love ko magbasa ng books 2ngkol sa Computer it reflects my course anyway. BSCS

And one thing reading is learning be a bookworm. The book is your friend.

dude wag ganyan lalong hindi gaganahan yung ka espiya natin...

pikapika dude.. basta kung nsa dugo mo ang pagiging programmer lalabas at lalabas yan.. parang sex yan.. kahit anong gawin mo hindi mo mapipiligan ang sarili mo pag kating kati kna..

basta aral klng ulit gawin mo lng lahat ng advise na binigay sayo..take your time.. at ang pinaka importante kung gusto mo tlgang matuto ulit mahalin mo yung ginagwa mo... (naks) ehhe

[angeles_dennis2@yahoo.com]

Motivation lang naman kailangan mo eh, Nanalo ka kamo dati as best programmer so I assumed na programmers ka by heart. Ang gawin mo i challenge mo sarili mo to make a new program. Ung bang program na d mo pa nagagawa in your entire life. Pero syempre kailangan inline dun sa programming language na gusto mong gamitin ha.

[Erotomania]

maswerte ka bro at motivation lang ang problema mo........

pero ang iba sobra sobra ang motivation pero wala namang pera para sa course...... 

isipin mo n lang na maswerte ka at wag m ong sayangin ang pagkakataon mo   

[juan pablo]

Wow parang sa mga ibang nagsabi madali lang ang programming huh? Programming is not like what you think that running this and that without that or just for fun. *Cough* learning to be a programmer takes time, patience, and most especially understanding flooding concepts about systems. Your motivation is what? Ok skill ang pagiging programmer and its a talent. Parang sayaw at pagkanta lahat tayo marunong kumanta at sumayaw pero its a natural talent if tlagang magaling ka. Why ask your self muna? Programming in the real world is different if inaakala nyo na madali 2ng nagkakamali kayo. Ah nga pala ang isa pang napaka-importante is ung attitude at discipline. And making a program is not like hey I want to do this stuff in your part its ok its what they call practice but in the real world na 22ong system men; dadaan ka sa maraming process di basta basta yan toinks gawa na panu ung iba are you sure your program is bug free, what method did you use para mabuo ung system? pano ung algorithm nya? How about how it works and how the user feel. If you really want to motivate yourself,

TIME, PATIENCE, ATTITUDE, AND DISCIPLINE. alam ko alam mo to na building a program is not like sex. Ganyan gamit ko ung apat na yan para success ako sa paggawa ng system. Tsaka mahirap ding pilitin ang sarili if ayaw di ba? Ako nga love ko magbasa ng books 2ngkol sa Computer it reflects my course anyway. BSCS

And one thing reading is learning be a bookworm. The book is your friend.

Tol wala naman nagsabi na madali ang programming, tama ka na kailangan ng talent lalo na ng patience and discipine, since sinabi nya na nanalo na sya ng award for best programmer so may experience na yan, sa talent naman, kung talagang gusto nya maging programmer kahit wala syang talent pagsisikapan nya na matuto. Dun naman sa sinabi mo na hindi  just for fun ang programming iba iba din naman ang motivation ng tao, kung walang nag program for fun or joy of it, walang freeware na programs, of course nothing beats talent, unless wala ngang patience, attitude and discipline. Peace. 

[pikapika2501]

Chalamatz mga co-spies sa mga posting. Im reading them all. Anyway, sisimulan ko nang magbasa. I'm good in C++ now switching to Java.

Sana hindi natin kahit kailang isipin na mayabang pagsinabing programmer or Java or kung ano pa. Kaya natin yan... Tama yung mga sinabi nilang may heart, may talent blah blah...

I had come into a situation to help others, a lot of times, and meron din akong na-experience yung mga taong tinuturuan ko eh hindi matuto. naawa rin talaga ako sa kanila and to the fact na one of them is one of my best friend.

Pero sana sa life ng tao wag nating isipin na tayo lang ang marunong mag-isip, Tayo lang ang may alam ng katotohanan. Malabo yun. Diskriminasyon pag ganun. At isa pa, crabmentality yun. Let them learn... Matututo rin yan at kung hindi talaga, okay lang yun. Hindi naman lahat ng bagay eh makukuha mo. Magaling kaman sa Java or ibang PL (programming language), hindi naman pwedeng doctor, nurse, ECE, nuclear physicist ka pa.

Anyway, salamat sa mga co-spies about the advice. I really appreciate them. And to all co-spies if you have the same problem or you want to relate yourself because you're having the same question, feel free to read them.

Salamatz... (hehehehe, maka-search nga muna ng mga GRIN facts sa ibang forums). 

[deck05]

just read ur topic. ahmmmm, mhrap tlga ang programming. college ako i hate it! like pumapasa lang ako dahil sa exam never did i do a single program that is really working. all of them are failures, pasang awa lagi ako sa lahat ng programming subjects ko noon. haha pero ngaun im in the real world programming seems to help alot financially. so i decided to have a study on programming again. i took these e-books stuff that are interactive so as not to be bored. like what others say it takes time and patience but the real thing is you have to enjoy it. try mo tong lynda . com im using it ryt now for php with sql. its quite good. at the same time it is in the computer kya d ako bored msyado pg pgod surf muna haha tpos blik ulet.

[buster14344]

meron akong naging co-programmer na "just doing it for fun". nakapag-work na sya sa US. Software developer sya dun. I guess na-bore sya kaya bumalik sya dito sa Pinas. Nag-work sya dito smin for about 6 months. At magaling talaga sya. Dami nyang ginawang bagong components para sa mga programmers nmin. Then, dumating yung time na nag-decide sya na umalis uli (na-bore uli?). Ngaun, he's working as a mobile game developer. Tinanggap nya yung job kc challenge daw un para sa kanya, making games. I can still remember ang exam daw sa knila ay ung Inventory System like sa Diablo II. Ung drap and drop na objects. Tapos may specified na slots for an item. Hehe.

[chew_explorer]

yohhh pika2, as I have posted yesterday...do things that will make you happy....

if you wanna still pursue your career as a programmer...well just start it slow....

i suggest start looking for a programming job....receiving salary will be a great factor to motivate you...

if you are familiar with oracle 10g....working with oracle forms etc j2ee let me know...

[gothiccreed]

sa totoo lang.... kahit saang bagay naman ang pinakamahirap gawin eh yung simulan yung dapat gawin... pero sincen a programming yan, once na masimulan mo na yan, sunodsunod na yan. Mahirap kasing hindi maisip kung paano didiskartehan yung codes nung program mo para ma-solve yung problem... kahit natutulog ka maiisip mo pa din. so ayun... simulan mo lang.. kahit simpleng experiment at prototype lang. Para lang maintriga yung isip mo sa logic nung program.

[nApZtEr]

aq comsci aw ngayun first yir pa lang pewo hilig ko na yata mag pc (programming) since im 10 yr old hehehe advice ko lng na kung hilig mo talaga un ang magpapafocus sau sa study

[-=Kurabo=-]

just read ur topic. ahmmmm, mhrap tlga ang programming. college ako i hate it! like pumapasa lang ako dahil sa exam never did i do a single program that is really working. all of them are failures, pasang awa lagi ako sa lahat ng programming subjects ko noon. haha pero ngaun im in the real world programming seems to help alot financially. so i decided to have a study on programming again. i took these e-books stuff that are interactive so as not to be bored. like what others say it takes time and patience but the real thing is you have to enjoy it. try mo tong lynda . com im using it ryt now for php with sql. its quite good. at the same time it is in the computer kya d ako bored msyado pg pgod surf muna haha tpos blik ulet.

parehas tau dude ang difference lang ay ikaw tpos n ako nmn i'm currently in that situation sana gnyan din mangyari skin.. .. hndi koh talga hilig kasi programming actually palagueng bagsak ako jan.. napilitan lang ako d2 kasi hapitan sa pagrad.. pero pinipilit kong mahalin n lng kasi no choice na eh.. mahirap matuto kung hindi mo mamahalin trabaho mo..

[chew_explorer]

ang programmer....parang welder....habang tumatanda....nalalaos....