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anne&jo

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need your opinion
« on: February 16, 2007, 07:38:16 pm »
Why is it in the Philippines, that a citizen that is currently jailed for whatever reason, alleged or not, can run for public office? Not really sure how our political system works and by watching it, it becomes more frustrating...
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2007, 08:12:30 pm »
Hmmm maybe you're referring to Gringo.

Our lawmakers need to ammend laws pertaining to such. In our existing laws, the definition of accused and convicted is totally different when it comes to running in public office. You are innocent until proven guilty. That means Gringo is still innocent and still can run for public office.

If your accused and run for public office and win, certainly, the case will be dissolved. That's the funny thing.  ;D
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2007, 08:44:18 pm »
ang pagkakaalam ko po eh, pede pa sila tumakbo kasi d pa cla convicted.
accused pa lang cla so pede pa cla tumakbo.
Di pa naprorove ang guilt nla.
pero bakit ang mga nakaupo, kahit obvious na na may ginagawang masama e anjan parin at di iniimbestigahan?

sabi nga ni sir mongol e, madidisolve ung case pag nanalo sa election.
may point ka dun, pero parang taumbayan narin ang naghatol nun na not guilty ka (kung walang dayaan per se). What is judge sa power ng taumbayan? tayo(masa) parin ang masusunod

may mga kinukulong kasi na biktima lang ng mapagsamantala at makasariling leader natin.
kung kalaban mo gobeyerno e, malamang dehado ka kahit na totoo ang mga paratang mo.

PEACE!!!



tandaan, marami tayong mga bayani na kinulong.
Bakit? kasi kinalaban nila ang gobyerno natin noon.

« Last Edit: February 16, 2007, 09:17:59 pm by Ambull »
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2007, 09:04:02 pm »
kaya nga kailangan tayong maging matalino sa susunod na election. wag iboto ang mga di karapat-dapat.
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2007, 09:45:37 pm »
tama c ambull at boks... at dapat bantayan din natin ang boto natin para iwas daya.

hindi naman lahat ng accused at detained..  ay masasamang tao!
NINOY, RIZAL... marami

GRINGO was a hero of the 1986 Revolution...
-contrary to monggol's post,  he was released dahil sa amnesty. (his case was not dissolved due to his winning the senatorial elections). Kung hindi dahil sa kanila, baka martial law pa ngayon at hindi tayo nakakapagpahayag ng ating mga pananaw sa forum na ito...

Maraming nakakulong ngayon dahil sa dumi ng pulitika... but let us not judge them with what we just see on tv.
Peace! there is hope for the Philippines! psrulez::
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2007, 09:46:39 pm »
Quote from: Ambull on February 16, 2007, 08:44:18 pm
ang pagkakaalam ko po eh, pede pa sila tumakbo kasi d pa cla convicted.
accused pa lang cla so pede pa cla tumakbo.
Di pa naprorove ang guilt nla.
pero bakit ang mga nakaupo, kahit obvious na na may ginagawang masama e anjan parin at di iniimbestigahan?

sabi nga ni sir mongol e, madidisolve ung case pag nanalo sa election.
may point ka dun, pero parang taumbayan narin ang naghatol nun na not guilty ka (kung walang dayaan per se). What is judge sa power ng taumbayan? tayo(masa) parin ang masusunod

may mga kinukulong kasi na biktima lang ng mapagsamantala at makasariling leader natin.
kung kalaban mo gobeyerno e, malamang dehado ka kahit na totoo ang mga paratang mo.

PEACE!!!



tandaan, marami tayong mga bayani na kinulong.
Bakit? kasi kinalaban nila ang gobyerno natin noon.



not only gringo, what about trillanes?
esp. jalosjos, di ba't convicted rapist na siya pero he still managed to run for office and won?
mr jimenez too!
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2007, 09:55:07 pm »
MA'AM ANNE, PATI PO SI TRILLANES E ACCUSED PALANG. D PA SYA GUILTY SA CASE NA KUDETA.SO, PEDE P SYA TUMAKBO. AND BESIDES, KAAWAY SYA NI GLORIA KAYA DETAINED SYA. SA AKING PANANAW EH VICTIM LANG SYA TLG NG MGA LIDER NATIN NA MAKASARILI.
RECOMMEND KO SYA SA INYO. ;D

UNG KAY JALOSJOS EH, NADAYA ATA KAYA SYA NANALO, I DON'T HAVE PROOF PERO UN ANG SA PALAGAY KO. SAME GOES FOR JIMENEZ. DI LANG PALA "DAYAAN" ANG PROBLEMA NATIN, PATI RIN TYO NA BOTANTE KASI WALA TAYONG MALASAKIT.. WE ARE ACCEPTING MONEY IN EXCHANGE FOR THE VOTE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK MA'AM ANNE?
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2007, 10:29:33 pm »
Quote from: Ambull on February 16, 2007, 09:55:07 pm
. . . .DI LANG PALA "DAYAAN" ANG PROBLEMA NATIN, PATI RIN TYO NA BOTANTE KASI WALA TAYONG MALASAKIT.. WE ARE ACCEPTING MONEY IN EXCHANGE FOR THE VOTE. . . .



kaya kung ako, i'll get the money and vote with my conscience
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2007, 10:32:25 pm »
wais ka tlg ma'am anne!!!
AYOS yan!!!
 bnana
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2007, 04:12:18 am »
tanong lang din....just in case na manalo yung mga "accused", matutuloy pa din ba yung trial nila? what if naging "guilty" ang sintensya sa kanila, matatanggal ba sila sa posisyon nila or hindi?

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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2007, 06:36:38 am »
good question tsquare! i am not aware of our laws on election. but i can only share my logical views. Correct me if im wrong, but i think these statements are logical....

1. The first thing that we should have is a clean, honest election. - If we have this, do u think mananalo yung accused rapist? U wouldn't vote for an accused rapist, would u? UNLESS HE IS A VICTIM OF A POLITICAL MUDSLING. In this case,  his constituents will be the ones to judge him. After all, his constituents will either reap the fruits of his projects or take the consequences for voting him.
If you've been watching prisonbreak, u will learn how politicians make stories to destroy political enemies. You will also learn that it is so unfair to judge an accused person without proving his guilt. Remember, even judges commit mistakes, and sometimes submit to temptation- they are only human. Now back to the elections - his constituents will be the ones to judge him.

2. In the case of political prisoners, (again, granting that we have a clean and honest election). Then it is not for the courts to decide whether or not they are fit for the position. Yung voters pa rin kasi nga....they will either reap the fruits of his projects or take the consequences for voting him.

Now for the answer to your question, let me give you Trillanes as an example. If he wins this election, whether he is found guilty or not, logically he has to sit as a senator because the people voted for him d b? Maybe he will be sentenced to death, but as long as he lives, he has to serve the people who voted for him.
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2007, 11:24:40 pm »
take note that drugs are not as illegal in the states as it is here in the Philippines...
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2007, 05:01:52 am »
ever wonder why were still counting the ballots manually unlike in the states, they have the advent of the electronic voting machines. one reason is to be able to CHEAT WITH IMPUNITY. hope you get the point!
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2007, 02:37:23 am »
meron naman nang computers sa comelec e...ayaw pa lang atang ipagamit ksi short n daw ang time para ituro kung pano yun gagamitin sa election...yun nga kaya ang dahilan? baka naman di pa nila madiscover kung pano mahahack yung computer pag dating na eleksyon...hehehehe!
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2007, 10:33:57 am »
guyz correct me if I'm wrong, about dun sa computerization, sbi nila kulang sa time? eh ilang taon ba ang hinintay b4 gawin itong eleksyon na darating this coming may?  Ni wlang nagawa ung mga mambubutas este mambabatas pra talakayin yung computerization na yan.  Grabe na tlga sitwasyon d2 sa pinas sobrang dumi na ng mga politician compare sa japan, na ayaw masira ang pangalan nila. Huli ng nandaya itatangi pa!!! alam nyo sa naki2ta ko ni minsan hindi ngkaisa ang pinoy, ung masasabi ko na talgang pagkakaisa. Kung ako lng masusunod? ayyy burahin sa lipunan ang mga trapo sa gobyerno!!!!
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2007, 10:44:42 am »
ok lang yan.. as long as hindi corrupt...

keysa naman sa hindi convicted pero napaka corrupt.. ok lang na convicted o nasa kulungan, marami din naman yang mga secretary na nagbabantay sa lugar nila...
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2007, 07:57:46 am »
Quote from: colette1328 on February 20, 2007, 10:33:57 am
guyz correct me if I'm wrong, about dun sa computerization, sbi nila kulang sa time? eh ilang taon ba ang hinintay b4 gawin itong eleksyon na darating this coming may?  Ni wlang nagawa ung mga mambubutas este mambabatas pra talakayin yung computerization na yan.  Grabe na tlga sitwasyon d2 sa pinas sobrang dumi na ng mga politician compare sa japan, na ayaw masira ang pangalan nila. Huli ng nandaya itatangi pa!!! alam nyo sa naki2ta ko ni minsan hindi ngkaisa ang pinoy, ung masasabi ko na talgang pagkakaisa. Kung ako lng masusunod? ayyy burahin sa lipunan ang mga trapo sa gobyerno!!!!

AFAIK, batas na sa pilipinas ang computerization, kaya nga galit na galit si sen gordon kay abalos dahil ang batas, ayaw ipatupad, samantalang un voting ng OFW's abroad thru the net ay pinapatupad which did not even passed through congress....

hayyy, kawawa talaga tayo sa mga nanunungkulan sa gobyerno natin.
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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2007, 12:16:58 am »
Kaya sa May 14...

VOTE WISELY.... OK?
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2007, 03:17:15 am »
Quote from: critchfield99 on February 23, 2007, 12:16:58 am
Kaya sa May 14...

VOTE WISELY.... OK?

I agree. Let's choose based on qualifications not on looks, popularity and political affiliation. I really included political affiliation because these candidates will change party affiliations at least once in their political carreer.
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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2007, 10:58:33 pm »
Quote from: critchfield99 on February 23, 2007, 12:16:58 am
Kaya sa May 14...

VOTE WISELY.... OK?

agree din ako!!  psrulez::
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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2007, 12:37:48 am »
Kahit cno pwedeng tumakbo for public office, pero siyempre sinasala nila yan... tinitingnan nila yung kakayanan mong mangampanya, background tsaka kung anu anu pa, kung sa tingin nila hindi mo kayang makakuha ng sabihin nating 1000 votes eh out kna..

yung mga nsa trial pe eh pwede pang tumakbo kasi di pa nmn cla proven na guilty, kahit c erap pwede pang tumakbo! kasi di nman natapos trial niya.. pinatay nlng ng admin yng issue..

Ako okay sakin si Gringo kahit nkakulong siya! Fan ako ng magdalo eh, hehe...
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2007, 12:13:52 am »
Quote from: kurukutow on February 23, 2007, 03:17:15 am
Quote from: critchfield99 on February 23, 2007, 12:16:58 am
Kaya sa May 14...

VOTE WISELY.... OK?

I agree. Let's choose based on qualifications not on looks, popularity and political affiliation. I really included political affiliation because these candidates will change party affiliations at least once in their political carreer.

tama. wag iboto yung mga traditional politician, yung mga political dynasty (cayetano at cocoy pimentel kasi meron ng pia cayetano at nene pimentel sa senado), balingbing (dati gusto ko si sotto), mga artista din isa pa sila.
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2007, 04:12:05 am »
Quote from: anne&jo on February 16, 2007, 07:38:16 pm
Why is it in the Philippines, that a citizen that is currently jailed for whatever reason, alleged or not, can run for public office? Not really sure how our political system works and by watching it, it becomes more frustrating...

sabi kasi nila,

"bakit si ninoy?"

well, ninoy was a special case and the state of the philippines then was dismal (parang ngayon hindi lol).  tapos isa pa, we needed a change and noong mga time na yun, effective pa mag-people power.

ngayon.... pagod na ang tao
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2007, 07:50:33 am »
guess this will answer all our questions:
       The following persons are disqualified from running for any elective local position:

         1. Those sentenced by final judgment for an offense involving moral turpitude or for an offense punishable by one (1) year or more of imprisonment, within two (2) years after serving sentence;

         2. Those removed from office as a result of an administrative case;

         3. Those convicted by final judgment for violating the oath of allegiance to the Republic;

         4. Those with dual citizenship;

         5. Fugitives from justice in criminal or nonpolitical cases here or abroad;

         6. Permanent residents in a foreign country or those who have acquired the right to reside abroad and continue to avail of the same right after the effectivity of this Code; and

         7. The insane or feeble-minded.
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Re: need your opinion
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2007, 09:37:08 am »
Technically pwede pa rn cla tumakbo. Ang masama jan di marunong bumoto un mga tao.Di pa convited cna Trillanes pero WTF bkit di p rn tpos kaso nila? Di p b obvious na coup plotters cla? Hello!!! Ang BOBO tlga ng justice system satin. 
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