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: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Rockford August 25, 2011, 09:04:36 PM
AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm

MANILA, Philippines - A student of the Ateneo de Manila University reaped criticism from Filipino netizens after writing a column that described the Filipino language as "not the language of the learned."

The article "Language, learning, identity, privilege" was written by James Soriano for his iThink column and published in the Manila Bulletin website. Curiously, the article was inaccessible Friday afternoon but could still be found via Google cache.

The names James Soriano has also started trending in microblogging site Twitter, while links to his original post circulated on Facebook.

In his column, Soriano described English as the language of learning, having been raised in a home conducive to learning English. He said he learned to think in English and used the language to learn about numbers, equations and variables.

On the other hand, he said Filipino was the language of the streets and what "we used to speak to the people who washed our dishes."

Soriano said learning the Filipino language was practical because "it was how you spoke to the tindera when you went to the tindahan, what you used to tell your katulong that you had an utos, and how you texted manong when you needed 'sundo na.''"

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Here's the article (this was already removed / blocked by Manila Bulletin):

Language, learning, identity, privilege
Ithink
By JAMES SORIANO
August 24, 2011, 4:06am


MANILA, Philippines — English is the language of learning. I’ve known this since before I could go to school. As a toddler, my first study materials were a set of flash cards that my mother used to teach me the English alphabet.

My mother made home conducive to learning English: all my storybooks and coloring books were in English, and so were the cartoons I watched and the music I listened to. She required me to speak English at home. She even hired tutors to help me learn to read and write in English.

In school I learned to think in English. We used English to learn about numbers, equations and variables. With it we learned about observation and inference, the moon and the stars, monsoons and photosynthesis. With it we learned about shapes and colors, about meter and rhythm. I learned about God in English, and I prayed to Him in English.

Filipino, on the other hand, was always the ‘other’ subject — almost a special subject like PE or Home Economics, except that it was graded the same way as Science, Math, Religion, and English. My classmates and I used to complain about Filipino all the time. Filipino was a chore, like washing the dishes; it was not the language of learning. It was the language we used to speak to the people who washed our dishes.

We used to think learning Filipino was important because it was practical: Filipino was the language of the world outside the classroom. It was the language of the streets: it was how you spoke to the tindera when you went to the tindahan, what you used to tell your katulong that you had an utos, and how you texted manong when you needed “sundo na.”

These skills were required to survive in the outside world, because we are forced to relate with the tinderas and the manongs and the katulongs of this world. If we wanted to communicate to these people — or otherwise avoid being mugged on the jeepney — we needed to learn Filipino.

That being said though, I was proud of my proficiency with the language. Filipino was the language I used to speak with my cousins and uncles and grandparents in the province, so I never had much trouble reciting.

It was the reading and writing that was tedious and difficult. I spoke Filipino, but only when I was in a different world like the streets or the province; it did not come naturally to me. English was more natural; I read, wrote and thought in English. And so, in much of the same way that I learned German later on, I learned Filipino in terms of English. In this way I survived Filipino in high school, albeit with too many sentences that had the preposition ‘ay.’

It was really only in university that I began to grasp Filipino in terms of language and not just dialect. Filipino was not merely a peculiar variety of language, derived and continuously borrowing from the English and Spanish alphabets; it was its own system, with its own grammar, semantics, sounds, even symbols.

But more significantly, it was its own way of reading, writing, and thinking. There are ideas and concepts unique to Filipino that can never be translated into another. Try translating bayanihan, tagay, kilig or diskarte.

Only recently have I begun to grasp Filipino as the language of identity: the language of emotion, experience, and even of learning. And with this comes the realization that I do, in fact, smell worse than a malansang isda. My own language is foreign to me: I speak, think, read and write primarily in English. To borrow the terminology of Fr. Bulatao, I am a split-level Filipino.

But perhaps this is not so bad in a society of rotten beef and stinking fish. For while Filipino may be the language of identity, it is the language of the streets. It might have the capacity to be the language of learning, but it is not the language of the learned.

It is neither the language of the classroom and the laboratory, nor the language of the boardroom, the court room, or the operating room. It is not the language of privilege. I may be disconnected from my being Filipino, but with a tongue of privilege I will always have my connections.

So I have my education to thank for making English my mother language.

http://blogwatch.tv/2011/08/language-learning-identity-privilege-by-james-soriano/




: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: ~Muska~ August 25, 2011, 09:14:23 PM
Maka isang sapak lang ako jan masaya nako.  >:(
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: bror August 25, 2011, 09:26:15 PM
wala namang masama sa sinulat nya. totoo yung mga nakalagay dun kasi, mayaman sila lalo na kung half filipino ang dugo nya talagang english ang pagbabasehan nyang lenguahe. ako kasi yun din ang kinamulatan ko na english ang primary language when it comes to education but it is also emphasized that being Filipinos we have to learn and love our language.

There was a time pa nga during my school days in Letran na pag filipino subject bawal kang mag english ganun din sa english subject bawal mag tagalog. although ngayon eh puro tagalog na ang salita ko minsan na lang ako nag eenglish, pag kailangan lang. huwag tayong magalit sa kanya kasi tinangap naman nyang masahol pa sya sa malansang isda dahil hindi nya natutunang mahalin ang sariling wika.

sana walang magalit nagsasabi lang ako ng punto de vista ko or point of view in english.

peace o tama bang kapayapaan? or bati tayo?
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: smojamoja August 25, 2011, 09:33:24 PM
kaya lang parang sobrang nalait naman ang ating wika, ang malayang pagpapahayag ay may kaakibat na responsibilidad,
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: August 25, 2011, 09:39:50 PM
What a fool, sobrang kitid ng utak.... Barilin na yan  gun::  gun::  gun::  gun::  gun::
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: codered August 25, 2011, 09:47:31 PM
llang taon na ba yan at ganyan mag-isip?
English is the language of the learned? And Filipino is the language of the streets?

Eh paano kung sa Japan ka nakatira? O sa isang first world na bansa maliban sa Amerika?

Magaling ka siguro sa English, pero kamusta ka naman sa ibang subjects. Kelan pa naging sukatan ang husay mo sa English para masabing intelektwal ka.

Suntukan na lang
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: metal1369 August 25, 2011, 09:50:56 PM
the truth hurts and when it stares at us directly in the face we turn to violence,
why don't we dissect his statements and understand what he is saying and then
make things for the better.

we are a country without an identity because of our lack of appreciation for our culture and that includes our language.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: jd2105 August 25, 2011, 09:51:38 PM
james soriano pu@#$%^&*! mo! gun:: gun:: gun:: gun:: gun:: james soriano
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Deadsoul August 25, 2011, 09:52:13 PM
uu masakit man ung mga sinabi nya eh sariling opinyon nya yan...wala tayo magagawa...dito nga nirerespeto natin kanya kanyang opinyon eh...

wala tayo magagawa dyan kung yan talaga stand nya...
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Fiz August 25, 2011, 09:57:38 PM
English is our first language at home.  Pero hindi pinagkakaila ang matuto ng dialect natin.

Languages are just tools.  They are neutral, unassuming, and always accepts new things.  They bring people together.   toast::

Language is only vicious as it's wielder.  ::redalert

Eto ang ayaw ko dito sa Pilipnas.  Only in the Philippines.  

1.  Two kinds of Music:  Bakya (now known as "pang-masa) and Normal.
2.  Indifference to our own local dialect, adoration of ANY foreign language.  Basta foreign mas astig.  Kulang ng Pride sa sariling identity at culture.  Colonial mentality.

If he is really an honest-to-goodness Filipino academic then he should accept (or realize) there is a need to unify the people under a common tongue.  And if that means having two then by God, let us just accept and enjoy the good this would bring.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: agent 007 August 25, 2011, 10:00:51 PM
gawan na ng fun page yang ungas na yan  laffman::
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: denisDpenis August 25, 2011, 10:06:07 PM
hindi kaya bumangon sa libingan si pareng Manuel L. Quezon nyan... ang bangis ng batang to... nag uumapaw ang pagmamahal sa bansang Pilipinas... ::pampam sana naman huwag na dumami ang ganyang mentalidad sa mga kabataan natin ngayon... nakakanginig ng laman at nakakadiklap ng paningin eh... or else i will make manong spank you...  ::lmao
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Rockford August 25, 2011, 10:07:09 PM


what a waste but then again its his opinion, crooked nga lang! tsk, tsk, tsk


(http://www.admu.edu.ph/ateneo/www/SiteFiles/Image/High%20School/james%20soriano.JPG)

AHS senior James Soriano is best Filipino high school debater

http://www.admu.edu.ph/index.php?p=120&type=2&sec=27&aid=4036





: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Pall-Eren-Mnr August 25, 2011, 10:07:42 PM
and i suppose one could use english everywhere in the planet (like in japan for instance)

seriously, that essay has a lot of fails to it  smoking::
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: IORIâ„¢ August 25, 2011, 10:08:45 PM
ano tingin mo sa mga tao sa labas di nakakaintindi ng english? u can ask manong to fetch u..u can buy someting and talk to tindera in english..and u can speak english to katulong also!! tado ka kala mo di ka nila maiintindihan?kala mo kaw lang marunong mag english!! dapat nga sayo binablock wala ka sense..  laffman::
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: syncmaster152n2 August 25, 2011, 10:19:22 PM
Trying hard gs2 magpasikat  :-[
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: melecee August 25, 2011, 10:23:34 PM
ang masasabi ko lang e........
" PAHALAGAHAN MU NGAYUNG BUHAY MO! KUPAL" >:(
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: t3t3ngtigas August 25, 2011, 10:28:26 PM
    Ang pananaw ng batang yan ay bunga ng mga magulang at lipunan na kanyang ginagalawan. Mula sa mga elitista na hindi naghahangad na pataasin ang antas ng mga tao sa ibaba kungdi bagkus gamitin lamang na apakan para lamang sa kanilang pansariling pagyaman. Hindi natin sya maaaring sisihin dahil ultimo sa gobyerno ang mga pananalita ay english...sa lahat ng transaction...kapag ikaw ay gumamit ng filipino ay para ka nang aba..at halos ayaw paglingkuran..pero subukan mo na magenglish...sa opisina ng gobyerno..at tingnan ninyo...halos nagmamadali ang mga kawani na kayo'y paglingkuran. Kung noon pa pumayag ang Pilipinas na pasakop sa mga Amerikano malamang hindi tayo magkakaganito...sabi nga ni MANUEL L. Quezon sa kanyang talumpati noon "I would rather see the Philippines run like Hell by the Filipinos....rather than like Heaven by the Americans"...at sya nga ay nagkatotoo...at at pinatatakbo ng Gobyernong Demonyo at pinalalasap ang impiyerno satin.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: bigwinner August 25, 2011, 10:35:25 PM
sa marami ang tingin nila dito ay pang lalait lang, pero kung anu sinulat nya halos isang katotohanan. Masisis mo ba siya kung sa wikang Ingles siya sinanay. Napa ka sakit nga naman ang mga realidad na sinabi niya pero meron punto siya na pag labas mo sa tunay na buhay dito sa Pilipinas ang wikang Ingles ang na uuna na gamitin at mas inaalaman.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: peejay August 25, 2011, 10:38:48 PM
dapat bigyan yang kumag na yan ng persona non grata sa pinas. Paalisin na yan d2
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: kubs August 25, 2011, 10:46:31 PM
totoo naman ang karamihan sa nabanggit nya sa kanyang essay.... medyo below the belt na nga lang ang ibang hirit nya! pero kung i intindihin natin sya sa mas malawak na pag iisip... english nga naman ang karaniwang gamit ng mga professionals, mapa pampubliko o pribadong tanggapan.

masakit lang talaga tanggapin ang katotohanan! :(
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: mashedpotato August 25, 2011, 10:58:55 PM
buti sana if bagay sa mukha ng hinayupak na yan ang mg ingles = HINDI naman pala ei!
ganyan lg mukha nyan kala mo kung sino sya barilin na yan!
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: haring butete August 25, 2011, 11:29:20 PM
ano raw baga. ala ey di ko baga maarok ang kanyang sinasabi eh.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: :: PaInE :: August 25, 2011, 11:53:14 PM
Carlos Celdran *boom* sikat!
Mideo Cruz *boom* sikat!
James Soriano *pending*

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXT!!
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: frankish August 25, 2011, 11:56:43 PM
siguro nga english ang language of the learned. I just hope marunong na din siya ng french (official language of international diplomacy), maybe latin (used to be science's and religion's official language) or siguro nga japanese (kasi sa japan, hindi big deal ang english), para masabing isa na siyang edukadong tao. And sana maisipan na din niya mag-apply ng U.S. visa. at sana pumasa siya sa interview with flying colors para dun na siya sa bansang ingles ang wika. Kasi nakakahiya naman kung magaling ka nga sa english e hindi ka naman makakuha ng visa. hehe! ano na lang kaya siya kung ganun?
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: aktibista August 25, 2011, 11:57:29 PM
typical conyo  :applause
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: cheeze013 August 26, 2011, 12:12:20 AM
TEKA LANG MGA BRADER!

Bago tayo magalit sa kawawang Soriano, hindi ba't ang sanaysay na ito ay isang pangungutya sa kutlurang kinagisnan nya?

I used to be this way as well, at isang kahihiyan iyon para sakin. pero marami syang tamang sinabi at marami syang isiniwalat na katotohanan tungkol sa anyo ng pamumuhay ng taong maraming pribilehiyo sa buhay.

I was appalled when he said "These skills were required to survive in the outside world, because we are forced to relate with the tinderas and the manongs and the katulongs of this world. If we wanted to communicate to these people — or otherwise avoid being mugged on the jeepney — we needed to learn Filipino", not because he said it, or because of the content of the statement, but because some parents, families, and societies would actually miseducate kids like him in such a way.  You cannot raise a kid in a rotten way and expect him to come out unscathed.

Poor parenting, poor upbringing, poor education.

When he said, "[Filipino] might have the capacity to be the language of learning, but it is not the language of the learned.", I was furious not at him for learning this trash but at the institution that cultivated this trash.

Poor parenting, poor upbringing, poor education.

When he said "It is neither the language of the classroom and the laboratory, nor the language of the boardroom, the court room, or the operating room. It is not the language of privilege. I may be disconnected from my being Filipino, but with a tongue of privilege I will always have my connections.", I was in rage at the systems in place that perpetuates this flaw.  And we wonder why we're so caught up in imperial America.  It's all true, our text books, our law books, are laws, our court cases are all written in English.  We're killing our own language.

Finally, when he said "So I have my education to thank for making English my mother language.", we have our schools to blame for the shit that they're feeding us.  So instead of saying Fuck Soriano, i say Fuck Ateneo!

Ang mali nya, meron na syang ganitong epiphany, wala man lang syang ginawa kundi manisi.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: subicboy August 26, 2011, 01:27:29 AM
nakakapagtaka na sa japan at thailand ang batas at lahat ng dokumentong panggobyerno nakasulat sa sarili nilang lengwahe, pero dito sa pinas ENGLISH na kala mo naman 100% ng tao nakakaintindi ng salitang ito..

minsan napapaisip ako na pano kung nalampasan na ng CHINA ang US at ang pinas pati ang buong mundo ay mas kapit na sa CHINA, ang mga pinoy ba ay mag-aaral ng salitang instik at babaguhin lahat ng dokumentong panggobyerno sa salitang instik?    laffman::
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: 2fear! August 26, 2011, 01:47:04 AM
gusto ng gobyerno natin na matuto tayong mag ingles para ibinta sa labas!

at tawagin kunong bagong bayani!...

kung sa ibang bansa... elementarya pa lang... magaling sa mga elektroniks!

kaya maraming scientist at mga imbentor sa kanila... dahil hindi sila nag po focus sa pag aaral sa english!

 ang focus nila ay nasa importanteng bagay...

dito sa atin... di tayo maka pag focus sa mga elektoniks dahil english ang mga manual at babasahin...

kaya, imbis na ang focus eh mag imbento... nasa pag-iintindi ng english ang inu una natin...

kaya kulelat tayo mga bansa tulad ng japan , thailand, china, at iba pa!

dapat itagalog na yang mga manual at mga babasahin na pang elektroniks!
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: erick brian mendosa August 26, 2011, 02:06:27 AM

what a waste but then again its his opinion, crooked nga lang! tsk, tsk, tsk


(http://www.admu.edu.ph/ateneo/www/SiteFiles/Image/High%20School/james%20soriano.JPG)

AHS senior James Soriano is best Filipino high school debater

http://www.admu.edu.ph/index.php?p=120&type=2&sec=27&aid=4036






so isa pala siyang masterdebator?  laffman::
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: eviliori August 26, 2011, 02:18:39 AM
wak kang pakita sa kin gago wawasakin ko pagmumuka mo !!!.. naka english speaking kalang kala mo kung sino ka na amf !!!...  >:(  >:(
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Turon August 26, 2011, 02:38:44 AM
So it makes you INFERIOR when you speak tagalog? typical Ateneo tard. Well,that's "THE" Ateneo way.  smoking::
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Zagatho August 26, 2011, 02:42:27 AM
Language of the learned? English? LOL It's just a language. Pano kasi satin status symbol yung pagiging proficient sa ingles. Karamhihan ng tao di naiintindihan na its just a form of communication. Hindi lahat ng fluent sa ingles eh wais. Ang dami dyan ang gagaling mag ingles pero ampaw ang utak. Kung gusto mo talaga tumalino magaral ka ng mathematics. Yun ang gawin mong pundasyon hindi ingles.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Amaragoto August 26, 2011, 02:56:33 AM
saan kaya sila nakatira at yong mga tindera sa tindahan ay di makakaintindi ng english????? nasa bundok ba sila? siguro  ::lmao

saan kaya galing mga katulong at driver nila at di rin makakaintindi ng english?????? malamang mga in-import lng galing sa mga probinsiya mga kasambahay nila at malamang wala sa tamang pasuweldo kasi mga mangmang mga kinukuha nila  ::lmao


: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: peterpan August 26, 2011, 03:08:57 AM
     I want to share my opinion regarding the subject, sometimes we need to balance everything around us.  English and tagalog are both important language to us especially if we are communicating to different levels of people in the society.  Hindi araw-araw pare-pareho lang ang faces ng nakakasama natin most especially kung professional person ka.  Nandyan yung kailangan mong gamitin ang wikang ingles para maglevel-up yung status mo sa lipunang ginagalawan mo.  Unlike Japan and China they have the good economy compared to us.  They can deal by their own language because they have all the resources unlike us we need to learned and understand english to be able to communicate to foreigners especially kung nasa abroad tayo.
 
    Based on my experienced here abroad, there are some filipinos who find difficulties communicating in english kaya minsan napagtatawanan tayo ng ibang lahi.  If we practice both language we will be more flexible and competitive.  For instance we usually watched beauty pageants like Bb. Pilipinas wherein some other contestants tend to create a funny situation in the Question and Answer portion. They have the looks but they lack in communication skills. Yun lang po, just an opinion lang.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: qtip August 26, 2011, 03:28:59 AM
yihihi! "THE" Ateneo, kelan po ba nauso tawagin ang ateneo na THE ateneo?, kasi nung lumalaki ako, ateneo lang twag sa kanila, o baka di ko lang alam na the ateneo talaga tawag sa kanila.hehe

sayang, if this article was written in a different way maganda sana ang gusto nyang sabihin, medyo reality na kasi yung sinasabi nya, medyo lang naman.haha!

So it makes you INFERIOR when you speak tagalog? typical Ateneo tard. Well,that's "THE" Ateneo way.  smoking::
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: arwin_absinthe August 26, 2011, 03:46:31 AM
So, in other words, James Soriano is NOT a learned person, for he used filipino words in his essay.

And, by stating that the filipino language is "not the language of the learned", we can infer that he is also pertaining to the man who made these words of wisdom:

"Ang taong hindi marunong magmahal sa sariling wika ay masahol pa sa mabaho at malansang isda."
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(http://www.joserizal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jose-rizal-portrait.jpg)

(I bet that he didn't know this line from Jose Rizal 'coz it's in filipino)

Just my 2 centavos.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: agency99 August 26, 2011, 03:50:51 AM
Dapat ay  huwag siyang mag sasambit ng anumang salita pag Agosto sapagkat ngayon ay bwan ng wikang pambansa
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: WATCHER0413 August 26, 2011, 04:12:04 AM
   He he he he. Masakit talaga ang katotohanan.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: boykutkot August 26, 2011, 04:27:07 AM
 ::wagbastos  ::wagbastos ::wagbastos yan dapat sa K*pal na yan... dont english english us here in espiya... because we dont panic... if you english us again we will make you panic.. ::lmao ::lmao dapat sayo binibilad ng hubad sa disyerto.. mag english ka dun... hanapin mo driver mo at katulong mo... smoking:: smoking:: smoking::
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: piddig August 26, 2011, 04:35:22 AM
patay na yang nagsulat niyan within the week. trust me.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: tall_n_simple August 26, 2011, 04:40:27 AM
walang ibang dapat sisihin dyan kung syay naging ganyan..... kundi ang nanay nya na sinanay syang wag mahalin ang sarili nyang wika... yun ang nagturo at nagpalaki sa kanya na maging isang mapangyurak sa ating wika.. at itoy magpapatuloy pa sa kanyang mga magiging anak dahil yun din ang ituturo nya...

ang makapagsalita ng wikang ingles ay isang prebelehiyo, ang matututong magsalita ng wikang pilipino ay isang importanteng bagay sa isang ipinanganak na purong pilipino  na mapagmahal at may nasyonalismo maging saan man sa luzon,visaya at mindanao...

maaring sa tingin nya ay tama sya sa kanyang pananaw ngunit sa malaon ay malalaman nya mismo sa sarili nya na may mali sya.... tingnan nalang natin kung yun ay kaya nyang tanggapin sa sarili nya...

yun lang!! katahimikan!!(peace sa ingles) tama ba???:)
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: voyager_ August 26, 2011, 04:55:41 AM
Language of the learned? English? LOL It's just a language. Pano kasi satin status symbol yung pagiging proficient sa ingles. Karamhihan ng tao di naiintindihan na its just a form of communication. Hindi lahat ng fluent sa ingles eh wais. Ang dami dyan ang gagaling mag ingles pero ampaw ang utak. Kung gusto mo talaga tumalino magaral ka ng mathematics. Yun ang gawin mong pundasyon hindi ingles.

e di kailangan mo pa rin ingles dyan  :P

hirap iexplain nyan sa tagalog  ;D
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: piddig August 26, 2011, 05:00:24 AM
e di kailangan mo pa rin ingles dyan  :P

hirap iexplain nyan sa tagalog  ;D

kaya ko iexplain ang math sa iluko ;D pramis ;D
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Belphegor August 26, 2011, 05:09:22 AM
hindi na din daw nagre-reply sa mga kaibigan nya yang si soriano.
siguro nagmu-mukmok sa isang sulok, at tinatanto ang kanyang mga nagawa at naturan sa kanyang pahayag.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: -=Kurabo=- August 26, 2011, 05:09:33 AM
although may point siya sa sinasabi niya pero typical ateneo de manila tard to be specific, the way na sinasabi niya is parang demeaning ang dating  pero hindi mo siya masisi kasi ganun siya pinalaki paconyo type. pero marerealize niya at magbabago din yan sa mga itong darating na araw especially sa mga ibabato sa kanya at sana may makuha siyang leksyon sa mangyayari sa kanya laffman::

pero sa totoo lang mahirap sumagot ng mga tagalog na kwestiyon lalo na sa essay laffman::
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: nindya_turtol August 26, 2011, 05:16:27 AM
di porke't marunong ka ng mag-english eh matalino ka na...try mo makipag-debate kay Inday...hanggang joke ka nlng.. smoking::
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: gardov August 26, 2011, 05:18:27 AM
nyahahaha. mukha namang taga hugas ng pinggan.  ::lmao


hay, learning how to speak english doesn't make one a learned person...it only means you know how to speak another language... that is it, that's all...

napaka ignorante at naive ng taong yan. di pa siguro nakakaapak at nakakasalamuha ang mga banyaga.

ang dami kayang stupid na puti.... as in tanga tanga talaga. langya, marami akong naging kaklase noong grade 12 at sa college na hindi marunong gumawa ng tamang essays or mag spelling ng sarili nilang salita.



: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: 2fear! August 26, 2011, 05:25:17 AM
kung mathematics pag uusapan sa tagalog... pwede naman gumamit na "hiram na salita..

meron yan sa filipino subject... ang "hiram na salita'

pwede mong gamitin ang english word kasama sa wikang filipino... para mas madaling maintindihan...

tulad ng: pahiram ng ballpen, pipirmahan ko ito" ang ballpen ay hiram na salita...


pero pag ang english ang nanghihiram ng salita sa filipino... pa sosyal na yan!

tulad ng:   it was how you spoke to the tindera when you went to the tindahan, what you used to tell your katulong that you had an utos, and how you texted manong when you needed 'sundo na.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Zagatho August 26, 2011, 05:39:01 AM
e di kailangan mo pa rin ingles dyan  :P

hirap iexplain nyan sa tagalog  ;D

Tagalog ang medium of teaching sa school ko pre  ;D
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: steel rain August 26, 2011, 05:43:22 AM
Hetong si Soriano ay isang magandang ehemplo ng Kawalan natin ng pagmamahal sa sariling bansa kse pati sariling langwahe natin ganun na lng kung laitin nya. Utoy patangusin mo muna ilong mo at patisoyin mo muna balat mo. kng kulang pa kulayan mo na din buhok mo bago ka mag iingles.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: powerrangerainbow August 26, 2011, 06:01:10 AM
Ang sabihing ang wikang tagalog ay para lamang sa mga pinoy na nakatambay sa kalye at iba pang tipikal na pinoy na nabubuhay sa bansang pilipinas ay krimen. Hindi lahat ng pinoy na mayayaman ay marunong mag salitan ng wikang Ingles.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: kobeyaki August 26, 2011, 06:07:54 AM
may katotohanan naman yung sinabi nya eh.

di naman niya ininsulto at binalewala ang lenggwahe natin, in fact yung article niya ay patama sa education system natin.

kung lahat ba naman ng subject sa eskwelahan ay tinuturo gamit ang language natin, baka mas madaming matatalino sa bansa natin ngayon. aba'y lahat ng importanteng subject sa school ay englis ang pagkakasulat

naalala ko tuloy yung classmate ko noong college, tinanong nya prof namin bakit walang tagalog translation ang subject namin na accounting. sagot ng prof namin "papano mo tatagalogin ang word na credit at debit?" laffman::
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: spell August 26, 2011, 06:16:54 AM
Eto nanaman. Kapag foreign (language) may sinabi satin, nangmamaliit. Kapag tayo ang may sinabi sa foreign, ayos lang.

Siguro kung ang sinabi niya ay pinalaki siya na Filipino ang ginagamit na salita pero kinailangang aralin ang wikang Ingles para lang makapagbasa ng libro o di kaya sa pagkuha ng trabaho, puro na siguro papuri ang natanggap niya.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: powerrangerainbow August 26, 2011, 06:17:19 AM
totoo nga yung sinabi nya pero parang na e-stereotype kasi yung word na "Filipino/Tagalog" dun sa essay nya, kapag filipino/tagalog=tambay sa kalye, mahirap, tindera, manang, driver, pero sa katotohanan, hindi totoo yan, marami akong kilalang mayaman na tao pero hindi sila bihasa sa paggamit ng wikang Ingles.. Nagkataon lang talga na ipinanganak ang hambog na ito na mayaman. At dun sa tanong nung college friend mo, may tinatawag tayong "hiram na salita", ginagamit pag walang katumbas sa tagalog ang isang banyagang salita.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: pspyrock August 26, 2011, 06:42:28 AM
I guess some will readily crucify this dude for sharing his mind through this article.  ;D

Nasaktan ang ilan dahil tinawag na "not language of the learned ang Filipino." Na para ito sa mga masa at hindi sa mga elite at intelektwal. Hindi ko alam kung napansin ng ilan ang kaunting "sarcasm" sa kanyang punto. Hindi ko alam kung hindi napansin ng ilan na ganito nga ang realidad sa Pilipinas ngayon, na minamaliit/kinakahiya/pinagtatawanan ang mga nagsasalita ng Bisaya o Ilokano o Tagalog at kinabibiliban ang mga nagsasalita ng Ingles o French lalo na yung mga may accent na banyaga.





"It was really only in university that I began to grasp Filipino in terms of language and not just dialect. Filipino was not merely a peculiar variety of language, derived and continuously borrowing from the English and Spanish alphabets; it was its own system, with its own grammar, semantics, sounds, even symbols.

But more significantly, it was its own way of reading, writing, and thinking. There are ideas and concepts unique to Filipino that can never be translated into another. Try translating bayanihan, tagay, kilig or diskarte.

Only recently have I begun to grasp Filipino as the language of identity: the language of emotion, experience, and even of learning. And with this comes the realization that I do, in fact, smell worse than a malansang isda. My own language is foreign to me: I speak, think, read and write primarily in English. To borrow the terminology of Fr. Bulatao, I am a split-level Filipino.

But perhaps this is not so bad in a society of rotten beef and stinking fish. For while Filipino may be the language of identity, it is the language of the streets. It might have the capacity to be the language of learning, but it is not the language of the learned.

It is neither the language of the classroom and the laboratory, nor the language of the boardroom, the court room, or the operating room. It is not the language of privilege. I may be disconnected from my being Filipino, but with a tongue of privilege I will always have my connections.

So I have my education to thank for making English my mother language."





If he considered Filipino as a language of learning, it definitely can be classified as the language of the learned.  ;D

My take on this, knowing that he was once honored as best Filipino high school debater, is he may be just trying to make Filipinos realize how much we have forgotten our local tongue, that we may have relegated it to the streets unknowingly. (Or maybe he is indeed just being conyo and an a-s about it.  laffman::)
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: PePeLePew August 26, 2011, 07:42:06 AM
multuhin ka sana ni rizal takte ka! wag ka sana patulugin ng kaluluwa ni rizal!


wag mong husgahan ang libro dahil hindi ka husgado!!! ................... err hmm hirap tagalugin ah pede ba ingles na lang?
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: voyeurman August 26, 2011, 08:52:04 AM
This was written to incite debate for the purposes of pushing Pilipino language as a medium for our educational/school system.

Obviously what he did was reversed psychology. A lot of twisted truth but he forgot to mention the most important factor. Because of our proficiency in the english language our economy did not collapse.

One of the major factor why filipino workers were hired abroad was due to our proficiency in english. Most filipinos now work in call centers or other BPO (business process outsourcing) services. Philippines inches past India as the largest call-center operator in the world. We are surviving because of english.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: gkhan August 26, 2011, 08:55:35 AM
Typical na kayabangan lang yan ng mga bata. Unang una eh pretentious na koz gusto nya palabasin na "learned" sya dahil "mother language" kuno nya ang English. High skul pa lang yan so how can he claim to be "learned". Tanungin mo nga ng dialectical materialism eh baka mahilo na yan.  Saka pano sasabihin na porke nagaaral sa Ateneo eh "learned" na? Yun latest na survey ng mga skuls in Asia eh nalampasan pa nga ng PUP ang Ateneo.  Yun magulang naman eh mga social climber din siguro koz gusto siguro nila ipaalam sa mga amiga nila na magaling mag English ang anak nila.  My experience tell me that his family is what I term "noveau riche".  Si Kapitan Lucio Tan nga eh di naman magaling mag ingles pero bilyonaryo. Kun gaano ka pretentious mag claim ang batang ito is also an affirmation of his lack of intelligence and character. Being "learned" is very much different from being "educated".  Unfortunately, this baby is neither of the two.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Paprika August 26, 2011, 09:54:31 AM
There are ideas and concepts unique to Filipino that can never be translated into another. Try translating bayanihan, tagay, kilig or diskarte.

Cooperative endeavour? Cheers? Butterflies in the stomach? Strategy?  laffman::
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: taong_grassa August 26, 2011, 10:25:48 AM
masasabi ko lng sa knya,  kung bigla sya maghirap sa buhay, panu kaya sya makikipagsalamuha sa mga karaniwan tao ng lipunan? maaaring edukado nga sya pero para mas edukado para sa akin ang isang tao nagmula sa hirap at nagpursigi sa buhay dahil marami sya nadaanan at natutunan na aral papunta sa tugatog ng tagumpay! bumagsak man sya, alam nya kung papano bumangon muli.. opinyon ko lng po..
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: MasterChief63 August 26, 2011, 10:56:16 AM
ano bang mali sa sinulat nya? eh based on his own analysis yun, opinion nya yun, ganun sya pinalaki, wag natin ikumpara ang buhay ng iba sa buhay natin kung pano tayo pinalaki ng ating mga magulang kasi iba iba tayo, di dapat sa kainisan o kagalitan dahil para sa kanya yun ang Filipino

masama na ba ngayon ang maging iba? kung masama edi dapat ang mga Katoliko eh galit sa lahat ng ibang relihiyon na hindi katoliko dahil sa mga pagkakaiba nila

dapat natin tandaan na ang pilipinas ang PINAKA DIVERSE sa mundo ng halohalong uri ng mga tao, hindi tayo lahat parepareho
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: islandriddims August 26, 2011, 01:15:30 PM
Ako'y isang Pinoy sa puso't diwa
Pinoy na isinilang sa ating bansa
Ako'y hindi sanay sa wikang mga banyaga
Ako'y Pinoy na mayroong sariling wika.
-florante


Si Gat Jose Rizal(also an Atenista) nuo'y nagwika
Siya ay nagpangaral sa ating bansa
Ang hindi raw magmahal sa sariling wika
Ay higit pa ang amoy sa mabahong isda...

...Aming ligaya nang pag may mang-aapi
Ang mamatay ng dahil sa iyo... ::)

: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: CoitusMaster August 26, 2011, 01:35:34 PM
mali yung pagkaka phrase niya nung gusto niyang sabihin, pero kuha ko yung punto niya....
i believe pino-point out niya sa kanyang column na sa classroom or sa mga "sosyal" na lugar ehh mas pinapaboran yung english as a dialect.
sabagay mahirap mag tagalog pag yung subject mo ehh math or sciences, pero grabe kasi yung pagiging bias ng karamihan (lalo na sa school) pagdating sa pag-e-english... nagiging cliche na pag magaling mag english ehh matalino...tapos pag hindi ehh medjo "slow"
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: zugstwit August 26, 2011, 01:44:08 PM
Lalong maige kung bihasa ka na sa salitang English, kampante ka rin sa Filipino. Ika nga the more tools you have in expressing the images you conceptualize in the mind, lalong maintendihan ka ng samut-saring pipol from the hoi polloi to the conyo genre(?). Kung ahente ka dadami lalo ang benta, kung brodkaster ka pasok na agad sa Kapisanan ng mga Brodkaster sa Pilipinas at kung mahilig ka na rin lang sa texting, sobrang sobra ang magiging ka-textmate mo mula Aparri hanggang Jolo. O di masayang happy! To paraphrase a philosopher, "I may disagree with what you say but I will complain to high heavens for the way you expressed them!"
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: MasterChief63 August 26, 2011, 01:48:18 PM
teka REVIEW nga, ilang lengwahe ba ang pinagaral at naging eksperto si Ginoong Jose Rizal? at saang lengwahe ba nya sinulat ang kanyang mga Obra? sa Tagalog ba(seryoso ako di ko alam)?
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: KaMushroom August 26, 2011, 02:00:47 PM
k. eto tanong ko sa mga nagagalit.

Saang bansa unang pumunta si Rizal?
bakit 11 years nagtagal yung commonwealth?
magkano binenta ng spain ang pinas sa mga kano?
ano yung dalawang dulong isla sa pilipinas? (north & south)
ilang taon si jacinto nung namatay siya?

wala naman yan sa mga taong maliit ang tingin sa bansa natin
basta alam mo na mahal mo ang pilipinas ok na yun.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: piningerZ August 26, 2011, 03:16:05 PM
sa totoo lang, walang masama sa sinabi niya. masakit, siguro oo pero masama, hindi.

he is just relating his experiences and the consequences of it.

LESSON OF THE DAY:  Kung gusto mo maging elitista ang pananaw ng anak mo, sanayin mo ng ingles lang.  kung gusto mo maging well rounded, sanayin ng ingles at pilipino.

simple lang, no need for haters :)
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: August 26, 2011, 03:41:37 PM
James Soriano ang perfect example ng mga bobong inglesero na feeling nila napakatalino at napakataas nila dahil magaling sila mag english ..........
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: gardov August 26, 2011, 03:53:10 PM
sa totoo lang, walang masama sa sinabi niya. masakit, siguro oo pero masama, hindi.

he is just relating his experiences and the consequences of it.

LESSON OF THE DAY:  Kung gusto mo maging elitista ang pananaw ng anak mo, sanayin mo ng ingles lang.  kung gusto mo maging well rounded, sanayin ng ingles at pilipino.

simple lang, no need for haters :)

masama yung sinabi nya, hindi masama sa pinas, pero para sa sarili nyang kapakanan. ang daming gustong sumuntok sa pagmumukha nya hehehehe

pero in all seriousness, hindi nya pinakita ang kanyang katalinuhan sa essay na to, mas pinakita nya yung kahambugan at kababawan ng kanyang pagiisip.

para nya na rin sinabing lahat ng mga pilipino ay mga walang pinagaralan dahil lahat ng pilipino ay nagsasalita ng tagalog/filipino.

kakatawa rin itsura nya, parang kamukha lang ng mga nakakakwentuhan kong mga batang nagtatrabaho sa divisoria.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: ApoKilat August 26, 2011, 04:18:05 PM
Ano naman kaya maging reaction ninyo sa isinulat nya noong 2008?


http://james.soriano-ph.com/2008/12/filipino-as-a-second-language/

: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: google26 August 26, 2011, 05:07:47 PM
 ???
-Isa ka bang taong INAANALISA ang  lahat ng bagay upang makita ang katotohanan o isang basta-basta nalang nagsusulat ng kung anong mga bagay na walang katuturan upang maipakilala lang ang sarili sa publiko?

-ako na ang sasagot para sayo,

-Isa ka ngang taong hindi nag aanalisa ng mga bagay bagay upang makita ang katotohanan, ngunit mali ang ginawang pag- aanalisa dahil ang iyong pag aanalisa ay may pagkiling, bakit?  lahat ng bansa may pinapahalagahang wika, at normal lamang na ipagtanggol nila ang kanilang sariling wika, ngunit ang iyong ginawa ay isang pagtakwil sa ating sariling wika, isang pagyurak sa dignidad ng wikang Filipino. Masasabi kong ikaw ay hindi nag-iisip para sa iyong kapwa Pilipino, kundi sa sa sarili mo lamang at itoy nangangahulugan ng isang kamalian.

- ITO ANG PAGPAPATUNAY NA MALI ANG IYONG SINABI, DAHIL IKAW MISMO MARUNONG NGA NG SALITANG BANYAGA (ENGLISH) AY HINDI NAG-IISIP ng tama SA KANYANG MGA SINASABI O SINUSULAT. bradz, hindi ito ang katotohanan na iyong hinahanap, kailangan mo munang magisip ng malalim, humarap ka sa salamin ngunit huwag mo lang tingnan ang sarili mong repleksiyon kundi ang repleksiyon ng iyong pagkatao bilang isang Pilipino.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: mon August 26, 2011, 05:09:51 PM
kung mathematics pag uusapan sa tagalog... pwede naman gumamit na "hiram na salita..

meron yan sa filipino subject... ang "hiram na salita'

pwede mong gamitin ang english word kasama sa wikang filipino... para mas madaling maintindihan...

tulad ng: pahiram ng ballpen, pipirmahan ko ito" ang ballpen ay hiram na salita...


pero pag ang english ang nanghihiram ng salita sa filipino... pa sosyal na yan!

tulad ng:   it was how you spoke to the tindera when you went to the tindahan, what you used to tell your katulong that you had an utos, and how you texted manong when you needed 'sundo na.

tama si brader dostakot.. :)
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: arabton August 26, 2011, 05:11:42 PM
Well I think as a Filipino..

May Point sya na mas ginagamit natin yung English....

(pero sa Pag AARal)

e...Gung2 pala yan ehh..
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: piddig August 26, 2011, 05:31:57 PM
para walang gulo, isalvage na lang yang bobong inglisero na yan. tapos ang usapan. pa-inte intelektwal na diskusyon pa tayo dito eh alam naman natin na mas mainam kung pupulutin na lang siya sa estero.

time for a new type of action in this country. fuck careless practice of freedom of expression; kaya tayo hindi umuunlad. patayin na yang gagong yan.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: gardov August 26, 2011, 05:35:43 PM
para walang gulo, isalvage na lang yang bobong inglisero na yan. tapos ang usapan. pa-inte intelektwal na diskusyon pa tayo dito eh alam naman natin na mas mainam kung pupulutin na lang siya sa estero.

time for a new type of action in this country. fuck careless practice of freedom of expression; kaya tayo hindi umuunlad. patayin na yang gagong yan.


sobra ka naman. patayan kagad. batukan na lang para maging matuwid ang pagiisip.

: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Paprika August 26, 2011, 05:40:31 PM
Lechonin na yan nasan na ba ang KKK natin diyan ipaglaban niyo naman ang ating bansa hoy
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: lambolambo August 26, 2011, 05:49:30 PM
Kung tutuusin me katwiran naman yung mga sinasabi nya yung nga lang in a rude way! Masyado mataas ang tingin nya sa sarili nya, tsk! Kung hindi sya natutuwa sa wikang atin sana umalis na lang sya ng bansa. Ka ipokritohan na tawag dun sa ginawa nya.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: raberdaki August 26, 2011, 06:00:12 PM
Hirap kasi sa atin ang kitid ng utak natin mga pinoy buti nga siya at an early age naimulat niya tayo sa realidad na ganito talaga sa pinas mas malaki ang bentahe mo kapag magaling ka sa english may pagka sarcastic man ang pagkakasulat niya ng kanyang essay pero ito ang katotohanan lumaki siyang nakasanayan na english ang pananalita sa kanilang bahay at english rin ang ginagamit niyang pananalita sa paaralan sisihin natin ang kanyang nanay dahil di siya tinuruan mag tagalog sisihin din natin ang kanyang paaralan dahil english ang kanilang medium of instruction. It's his environment that made him what he is now.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: gardov August 26, 2011, 06:28:14 PM
Hirap kasi sa atin ang kitid ng utak natin mga pinoy buti nga siya at an early age naimulat niya tayo sa realidad na ganito talaga sa pinas mas malaki ang bentahe mo kapag magaling ka sa english may pagka sarcastic man ang pagkakasulat niya ng kanyang essay pero ito ang katotohanan lumaki siyang nakasanayan na english ang pananalita sa kanilang bahay at english rin ang ginagamit niyang pananalita sa paaralan sisihin natin ang kanyang nanay dahil di siya tinuruan mag tagalog sisihin din natin ang kanyang paaralan dahil english ang kanilang medium of instruction. It's his environment that made him what he is now.


wala naman akong nabasang sarcasm sa kanyang essay... ang nabasa ko ay kahambugan at pagiging makitid na utak.

sinasabi nya na ang salitang tagalog ay salitang kalye.... eh tanga pala yun, syempre salita sa kalye tagalog dahil nasa Pilipinas sya...   ::lmao




: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: raberdaki August 26, 2011, 06:35:20 PM
wala naman akong nabasang sarcasm sa kanyang essay... ang nabasa ko ay kahambugan at pagiging makitid na utak.

sinasabi nya na ang salitang tagalog ay salitang kalye.... eh tanga pala yun, syempre salita sa kalye tagalog dahil nasa Pilipinas sya...   ::lmao


kaya nga eh lumaki siyang English ang nakasanayang pananalita kasalanan to ng mga nakapaligid sa kanya kaya di niya napapahalagahan ang sariling wika natin
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: gardov August 26, 2011, 06:41:32 PM

kaya nga eh lumaki siyang English ang nakasanayang pananalita kasalanan to ng mga nakapaligid sa kanya kaya di niya napapahalagahan ang sariling wika natin


marami akong kilalang mga pinoy na inglisero na sila pa ang naghahanap ng paraan para matutong magtagalog...

parang katulad to nung isang pinoy na nakilala ko, kinausap ko sa tagalog, sabi nya " i don't speak tagalog ", natawa ako kasi ang lakas ng accent nyang pinoy, tapos nung tinanong kung ilang taon na sya sa ibang bansa... sagot nya 2 years  ::lmao

pero bakit nga pala pinagaaksayahan ng panahon ang taong yun? eh mukha namang palaboy itsura.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: raberdaki August 26, 2011, 07:08:12 PM

marami akong kilalang mga pinoy na inglisero na sila pa ang naghahanap ng paraan para matutong magtagalog...

parang katulad to nung isang pinoy na nakilala ko, kinausap ko sa tagalog, sabi nya " i don't speak tagalog ", natawa ako kasi ang lakas ng accent nyang pinoy, tapos nung tinanong kung ilang taon na sya sa ibang bansa... sagot nya 2 years  ::lmao

pero bakit nga pala pinagaaksayahan ng panahon ang taong yun? eh mukha namang palaboy itsura.

everyone is unique pre iba't-iba ang ugali natin.... hindi naman sa kinakampihan ko ang mokong naaawa lang ako sa kanya kasi
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: gardov August 26, 2011, 07:13:50 PM
everyone is unique pre iba't-iba ang ugali natin.... hindi naman sa kinakampihan ko ang mokong naaawa lang ako sa kanya kasi

hindi naman unique yung quality nyang pinakita sa essay. dami ko na nakitang ganun, mga hambog at mababaw magisip.

also, wag ka maawa no. mayamang tao nga yun, kita mo naman itsura, mukha nang siopao.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Pierro7 August 26, 2011, 07:18:34 PM
kung mathematics pag uusapan sa tagalog... pwede naman gumamit na "hiram na salita..
meron yan sa filipino subject... ang "hiram na salita'
pwede mong gamitin ang english word kasama sa wikang filipino... para mas madaling maintindihan...
tulad ng: pahiram ng ballpen, pipirmahan ko ito" ang ballpen ay hiram na salita...
pero pag ang english ang nanghihiram ng salita sa filipino... pa sosyal na yan!
tulad ng:   it was how you spoke to the tindera when you went to the tindahan, what you used to tell your katulong that you had an utos, and how you texted manong when you needed 'sundo na.
isa pang halimbawa ng hiram na salita ay ang 'karot' ngunit ito'y binaybay na sa wikang Filipino.

hindi ako sigurado kung maaaring gamitin ang salitang 'pluma' sa halip na 'ballpen'. datapwat pareho lamang sila ng pakinabang - gamit na panulat.
pero, hindi ba ... it's so laos na and so corny to hear such word. ewww. 'pluma'? duh... laffman::


hay, learning how to speak english doesn't make one a learned person...it only means you know how to speak another language... that is it, that's all...
sang-ayon ako sa iyo. ang wika o linggwahe ay isang paraan ng komunikasyon. ang pagiging bihasa sa wikang ingles ay hindi nangangahulugang ika'y matalino o kung anumang dapat tingalain. ito'y isa lamang paraan para maunawaan ang ibang lahi ng tao na matatagpuan sa kanlurang bahagi ng globo.
karamihan sa atin ay naiisip na maaaring may pinatatamaan lamang si Soriano ...
pero alam niyo naman tayong mga Pilipino ... sensitibo tayo at madalas ay emosyon agad ang nangingibabaw ...
sana lang ay maghunostili muna sila bago gumawa ng hindi magandang aksyon laban kay Soriano ...

at isa pa ... bakit ba natin siya pinag-aaksayahan ng oras?
hayaan na natin sa kanyang opinyon. kung yan ang pananaw niya, eh di hikayatin natin siyang umalis ng bansa at manirahan na lamang sa bansang ingles ang wikang ginagamit ... nawa'y pagpalain siya ...

words to this post is translated via google translate.  ;D
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Pierro7 August 26, 2011, 07:21:00 PM
words to this post is translated via google translate.  ;D
wrong grammar pa  laffman::
well, not unless cRitiX kayo ...  ;D
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: markelion ulit.. August 26, 2011, 08:05:59 PM
sa totoo lang ngayon ko lang nalaman tungkol dito sa mokong nato, pero nung nabasa ko to aba'y nakuha niya agad ang atensyon ko sa mga pinagsasasabi nitong unggoy nato!
 "hey you Soriano, what do you think of me thinking of you ha?" hahahaha.. oh ayan sagutin mo yan mokong!  ;D
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: xypherman August 26, 2011, 10:28:13 PM
Mga Brads,

Ang sinulat niyang artikulo ay tunay namang nakakasakit ng damdamin sa unang basa dahil sa mga tinuran niya, na ang pambansang lenggwahe ay salitang pangkalye.. pang-utos sa mga katulong or pakikipagusap sa mga tindera..at pagpapasundo kay manong.

Sa tinuran niya na ang lenggwaheng Ingles is the "language of the learned" ay di sadyang totoo at may bahid na pagka-arogante at panlalait.

Sa kanyang mga sinabi, maituturing natin na ito ay isang repleksyon ng ating lipunan sa ngayon.
Some parents are thinking that in order for their kids to have an edge in school,they need to teach English first to their kids at home before they even step in their nursery level. Which is the means to score high grades in their subjects/courses and in the long run to secure a high-paying job after graduation.And even to be able to work abroad. Wala naman masama dito, pero ang nangyayari ay hindi nagiging balanse.

Tama si brader cheeze013 :

I was appalled when he said "These skills were required to survive in the outside world, because we are forced to relate with the tinderas and the manongs and the katulongs of this world. If we wanted to communicate to these people — or otherwise avoid being mugged on the jeepney — we needed to learn Filipino", not because he said it, or because of the content of the statement, but because some parents, families, and societies would actually miseducate kids like him in such a way.  You cannot raise a kid in a rotten way and expect him to come out unscathed.

Poor parenting, poor upbringing, poor education.


Ang ating pambansang bayani na si Dr. Jose Rizal na napakadalubhasa sa mga iba't-ibang diyalekto at lenggwahe pero sa wikang Espanyol niya sinulat ang kanyang mga mahahalagang gawa or obra maestra,alam natin na ito noon  ang ginagamit na "language of instruction" sa mga  unibersidad na pinasukan niya dito at sa ibang bansa, pero hindi nawala sa kanya ang damdaming Pilipino dahil sa impluwensiya at pagmamahal ng kanyang mga magulang, mga kaibigan at taong nakapalibot sa kanya at sa lugar na kanyang ginagalawan.

Si James Soriano ay isa lang sa mga biktima ng ilan sa ating mga kabataan na lumaki sa pa-elitistang mentalidad na patuloy na nagpapababa at nagpapapahirap sa kondisyon ng ating mga mamamayan at ng ating bansa.
Naging isang biktima na sana sa kalaunan ay maisip  ang kanyang pagkakamali at pati na rin ng mga taong naging instrumento nito.
At sana ay maiba at mabago ang paraan at sistema ng ating edukasyon sa Pilipinas na malimit at kadalasan ay di na akma sa panahon na ating ginagalawan.

Ang sinulat ni James Soriano ay isang paraang panggigising sa ating lahat, it reflects the truth of what kind of society we are having now ,  the elite , the poor education system and the corruption in the government.

Di masamang magalit, pero huwag nating kakalimutan ang aral na dapat pulutin at intindihin, at sa bandang huli makakagawa ng tamang aksyon ang bawat isa sa atin. It also boils down to us, on how we can contribute to the challenge that is needed in this Philippine society.

Mabuhay ang Espiya! :)
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Pierro7 August 26, 2011, 11:10:19 PM
gawan na ng fun page yang ungas na yan  laffman::
just stumbled this page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/James-Soriano-Ang-Dakilang-Inglesero/239238972780045) while browsing Bong Bong Gising (http://www.facebook.com/BongBongGising)'s page.  ::lmao
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: neckromancer August 27, 2011, 12:36:19 AM
Satire ba iyan? Medyo asar ako sa tinuran niya pero dahil mukha lang siyang nagpapatawa, mas gusto kong sapakin ang publisher ng Manila Bulletin dahil pinayagan nilang magsayang ng puno ang taeng iyan.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: tdaturbanos August 27, 2011, 03:19:25 AM
 ::inposition
Eh bakit naman ang mga Hapon, Aleman, Koreano at iba pang mga dayuhang bansa na kung pupunta tayo sa kanilang bansa ay kinakailangan nating mapag-aralan at maalaman ang kanilang mga wika? bakit dito sa atin kapag sila ang nagpupunta/bumibisita ay kinakailangan tayo pa ang mag-adjust para sa mga dayuhan na iyan para maintindihan natin sila..? bakit naman si Gat. Jose Rizal, ilang dayuhang wika na ba ang kanyang napag-aralan pero nananatili pa rin sa kanyang puso na numero unong wika ay ang Filipino/Tagalog..?
sadyang may mga tao lang talaga na para maipakita nila sa kanilang kapwa na sila ay nakakahigit kaysa iba, ang tunay na katotohanan kahit na ano pang gawin mong (James Soriano) pagpapalit ng citizenship ay Filipino ka pa rin, nasa dugo mo na yan, ibig sabihin, kahit na ano mang panlalait (James Soriano) na ginawa, ginagawa, gagawin ay tatama at tatama pa rin sayo... dahil ikaw ay isang Filipino. Kahit mamatay ka at mabuhay muli, pagbalik-baliktarin mu man ang mundo hindi ka pa rin magiging banyaga! dahil wala kang pagmamahal sa sarili mong bansa...
akala ko ang mga katulad kong mga mahihirap at kapos sa pinag aralan ang kaawa-awa at kahabag habag, meron pa palang mas mababang higit kasya sa amin... ang mga taong katulad mo (James Soriano)...
iningles mu pa yung pangalan mo eh ang tunay mong pangalan ay...
SANTIAGO SORIANO.... Awwwww!!!!

: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: WATCHER0413 August 27, 2011, 03:21:01 AM
    Sa ganang akin lang, di naman nya minamaliit ang salita natn. Di ba sa huling part ng essay nya ay pinupuri nya pa nga ito dahil sa kakaiba at may pagkasarinlan na paggamit nito. Di rin natin basta pwedeng sisihin ang mga magulang niya. Sa bansa kasi natin ay Ingles ang karaniwang gamit sa opsina, korte, negosyo, at kung saan-saan pa. Ingles din ang gamit natin para ma-accommodate ang mga dayuhan na dumadating sa bansa natin. Malalim na sa ugat nating mga Pinoy ang pagsasalita ng Ingles sa mga Propesyonal na gawain at lugar. Dapat pala siguro ay ipagbawal na ang pagsasalita ng Ingles sa mga Korte, opisina, eskwelahan. Para matigil na ang sistemang ito, na mula bata pa lang ay Ingles na ang inaakalang dapat pag-aralang salita.

   Madami sa atin ang nagalit sa talumpati nya. Pero ilan sa kabuuhang bilang ng mga Pilipino nga ba ang masasabi nating matatas magalita ng Ingles at mahusay makipag-usap sa mga dayuhan, o sa mga Boss sa opisina sa salitang Ingles? Di kaya eto na naman tayo, nagagalit dahil nasasaktan sa katotohanan at di natin maidepensa kung bakit nga ba ito ang umiiral na kultura sa bansa natin? Kapayapaan mga kapatid.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: gardov August 27, 2011, 03:55:56 AM
   Sa ganang akin lang, di naman nya minamaliit ang salita natn. Di ba sa huling part ng essay nya ay pinupuri nya pa nga ito dahil sa kakaiba at may pagkasarinlan na paggamit nito.


"It might have the capacity to be the language of learning, but it is not the language of the learned.

It is neither the language of the classroom and the laboratory, nor the language of the boardroom, the court room, or the operating room. It is not the language of privilege. I may be disconnected from my being Filipino, but with a tongue of privilege I will always have my connections.

So I have my education to thank for making English my mother language."

eto ba yung sinabi mong pagpupuri? ang sabihang ang native language mo ay lenguwahe ng uneducated?

he's right though, he prolly smells like a rotten fish, literally.

like i said before, porke marunong ka magingles, hindi ibig sabihin isa ka nang edukado...

universal language ang english kaya nothing to brag about. he was just lucky that he was born into a well off family and could afford all the education that he needed.

may kasabihan tayong ang langaw pag tumuntong sa kalabaw, feeling mas mataas pa sa kalabaw...

: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: gardov August 27, 2011, 04:04:59 AM
Also, sa lahat ng sumasangayon sa kanyang essay, i think na you guys kinda missed his point of view...

really, his essay doesn't say anything about our education system, all he is saying is how awesome he is for knowing how to speak another language and how he is better than everyone because of this.

The aetas know how to speak english and they never had any kind of proper education. 

English is the easiest language to learn, that is why it's universal. Nothing to be proud of nor brag about.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: geshpenst August 27, 2011, 06:06:47 AM
ouch! sapul ah.  ::pampam
obviously he is a product of this degenerating generation!  smoking::

wala naman akong nabasang sarcasm sa kanyang essay... ang nabasa ko ay kahambugan at pagiging makitid na utak.


eto po yung sarcasm niya: 
Only recently have I begun to grasp Filipino as the language of identity: the language of emotion, experience, and even of learning. And with this comes the realization that I do, in fact, smell worse than a malansang isda. My own language is foreign to me: I speak, think, read and write primarily in English. To borrow the terminology of Fr. Bulatao, I am a split-level Filipino.

But perhaps this is not so bad in a society of rotten beef and stinking fish.

parang ganito, kung hindi ka umiihi sa pader dati sa inyo, tapos pagpunta mo dito eh marami kang nakikitang umiihi sa pader, iihi ka na rin.

the environment shapes the person.

and this post exemplifies that in terms of "language pride" eh talagang we are "a society of rotten beef and stinking fish"

::inposition
Eh bakit naman ang mga Hapon, Aleman, Koreano at iba pang mga dayuhang bansa na kung pupunta tayo sa kanilang bansa ay kinakailangan nating mapag-aralan at maalaman ang kanilang mga wika? bakit dito sa atin kapag sila ang nagpupunta/bumibisita ay kinakailangan tayo pa ang mag-adjust para sa mga dayuhan na iyan para maintindihan natin sila..? bakit naman si Gat. Jose Rizal, ilang dayuhang wika na ba ang kanyang napag-aralan pero nananatili pa rin sa kanyang puso na numero unong wika ay ang Filipino/Tagalog..?
sadyang may mga tao lang talaga na para maipakita nila sa kanilang kapwa na sila ay nakakahigit kaysa iba, ang tunay na katotohanan kahit na ano pang gawin mong (James Soriano) pagpapalit ng citizenship ay Filipino ka pa rin, nasa dugo mo na yan, ibig sabihin, kahit na ano mang panlalait (James Soriano) na ginawa, ginagawa, gagawin ay tatama at tatama pa rin sayo... dahil ikaw ay isang Filipino. Kahit mamatay ka at mabuhay muli, pagbalik-baliktarin mu man ang mundo hindi ka pa rin magiging banyaga! dahil wala kang pagmamahal sa sarili mong bansa...
akala ko ang mga katulad kong mga mahihirap at kapos sa pinag aralan ang kaawa-awa at kahabag habag, meron pa palang mas mababang higit kasya sa amin... ang mga taong katulad mo (James Soriano)...
iningles mu pa yung pangalan mo eh ang tunay mong pangalan ay...
SANTIAGO SORIANO.... Awwwww!!!!

ang problema, we are too accomodating. kaya di ako sigurado kung hospitality is a good trait.

nagsimula ito kay humabon at sa mga tauhan niyang nagpabinyag, kaya naman nagawang sabihin ni magellan na "hala sige, tuwad".

si lapu-lapu lang ang naglakas-loob na magsabing "saksak mo sa baga mo". kaya naman nabasagan siyang unang bayani.

si sina silang, sina dagohoy, si bonifacio, jacinto, mabini atbp. napagod na sila sa kakatuwad kaya naman sila naghimagsik. (wag mo na asahan si aguinaldo, tumuwad din yun uli)

ngayon sa henerasyon na ito, sino pa ba ang nakakaalala sa pagtindig ni lapu-lapu sa harap ng mga dayuhan?

kelan ba tayo titigil sa pagtuwad? kwan, kasi, sobrang pudpod at luwang na ng pwet ko... laffman:: laki ba naman ng kargada ng mga dayuhan... laffman:: kayo, may KY jelly ba kayo dyan?  ::lmao

para lang makaraos at guminhawa ang buhay, kailangan tumuwad para sa mga dayuhan... smoking::

: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: xeoxander01 August 27, 2011, 06:24:56 AM
ito nararapat sayo..

(http://8.asset.soup.io/asset/2315/1576_a99f.gif)
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: gardov August 27, 2011, 07:03:55 AM

eto po yung sarcasm niya: 
Only recently have I begun to grasp Filipino as the language of identity: the language of emotion, experience, and even of learning. And with this comes the realization that I do, in fact, smell worse than a malansang isda. My own language is foreign to me: I speak, think, read and write primarily in English. To borrow the terminology of Fr. Bulatao, I am a split-level Filipino.

But perhaps this is not so bad in a society of rotten beef and stinking fish.


that's not sarcasm.

eto ang sarcasm, " oh ganun ba Mr. James Soriano, napaka humble naman ng essay mo "
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: ftc August 27, 2011, 07:19:34 AM
Nainggit lang yan kay Christopher Lao ng UP. Gusto din lang nya kasi siguro irepresent yung AdMU.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: buddha August 27, 2011, 12:26:26 PM
Sayang lang ang oras natin kung magagalit tayo sa batang ito. Produkto lang siya ng kultura ng Pililpinas. Ang sarili nating wika ay matagal nang napabayaan. Imbis na magalit, isipin na natin kung anong pwedeng gawin para salbahin ang sariling atin.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Boy_Tira August 27, 2011, 12:30:37 PM
d mo masisisi ang batang to. mali ang nakamulatan nya. pinalaki syang parang diyos ng Inglis sa kanya. At basura ang Filipino. tsk.tsk. kawawa naman sya.
eto pala ang natutunan sa Ateneo..
dapat lipat sa bundok yang Ateneo. perwisyo sa trapik sa ibang tao. araw-araw nalang kala mo kanila pati kahabaan ng Katipunan..
Panahon na para gawing Filipino ang medium of teaching! :applause :applause
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: morrismo August 27, 2011, 01:28:21 PM
Iisa lang naman ang explanation kung bakit sya ganun! COLONIAL MENTALITY!!! Nakakalungkot dahil maraming mga pinoy ang may colonial mentality porket galing sa isang maunlad na bansa mas maganda na kaagad kumpara sa Pinas... Masasabi pa kaya nya yun kung naghihirap na ang Amerika at iba pang mga english speaking countries? How pathetic!
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: piningerZ August 27, 2011, 03:45:55 PM
sige, kilatisin natin ang article niya.

"MANILA, Philippines — English is the language of learning. I’ve known this since before I could go to school. As a toddler, my first study materials were a set of flash cards that my mother used to teach me the English alphabet.

My mother made home conducive to learning English: all my storybooks and coloring books were in English, and so were the cartoons I watched and the music I listened to. She required me to speak English at home. She even hired tutors to help me learn to read and write in English.

In school I learned to think in English. We used English to learn about numbers, equations and variables. With it we learned about observation and inference, the moon and the stars, monsoons and photosynthesis. With it we learned about shapes and colors, about meter and rhythm. I learned about God in English, and I prayed to Him in English.

Filipino, on the other hand, was always the ‘other’ subject — almost a special subject like PE or Home Economics, except that it was graded the same way as Science, Math, Religion, and English. My classmates and I used to complain about Filipino all the time. Filipino was a chore, like washing the dishes; it was not the language of learning. It was the language we used to speak to the people who washed our dishes.

We used to think learning Filipino was important because it was practical: Filipino was the language of the world outside the classroom. It was the language of the streets: it was how you spoke to the tindera when you went to the tindahan, what you used to tell your katulong that you had an utos, and how you texted manong when you needed “sundo na.”

These skills were required to survive in the outside world, because we are forced to relate with the tinderas and the manongs and the katulongs of this world. If we wanted to communicate to these people — or otherwise avoid being mugged on the jeepney — we needed to learn Filipino.

That being said though, I was proud of my proficiency with the language. Filipino was the language I used to speak with my cousins and uncles and grandparents in the province, so I never had much trouble reciting.

It was the reading and writing that was tedious and difficult. I spoke Filipino, but only when I was in a different world like the streets or the province; it did not come naturally to me. English was more natural; I read, wrote and thought in English. And so, in much of the same way that I learned German later on, I learned Filipino in terms of English. In this way I survived Filipino in high school, albeit with too many sentences that had the preposition ‘ay.’"

>>> He is just relating his experience here as a kid.  You cannot fault him for anything above kasi yan ang turo at kinalakihan niya noong bata siya.  Anyone who does is just being stupid kasi nga nagkwekwento lang siya.


"It was really only in university that I began to grasp Filipino in terms of language and not just dialect. Filipino was not merely a peculiar variety of language, derived and continuously borrowing from the English and Spanish alphabets; it was its own system, with its own grammar, semantics, sounds, even symbols.

But more significantly, it was its own way of reading, writing, and thinking. There are ideas and concepts unique to Filipino that can never be translated into another. Try translating bayanihan, tagay, kilig or diskarte.

Only recently have I begun to grasp Filipino as the language of identity: the language of emotion, experience, and even of learning. And with this comes the realization that I do, in fact, smell worse than a malansang isda. My own language is foreign to me: I speak, think, read and write primarily in English. To borrow the terminology of Fr. Bulatao, I am a split-level Filipino."

>>>> When he got into a bigger school (university)  mas naintindihan niya at na-appreciate yung filipino language.  he even hates himself because his own language is foreign to him ( i smell worse than...).



"But perhaps this is not so bad in a society of rotten beef and stinking fish. For while Filipino may be the language of identity, it is the language of the streets. It might have the capacity to be the language of learning, but it is not the language of the learned."

>>>> Totoo naman talaga na language of the learned ang english.  It may not be right but that is how society percieves it to be (i myself dont find it right). case in point, watch "cono drivers" on youtube.



"It is neither the language of the classroom and the laboratory, nor the language of the boardroom, the court room, or the operating room."

>>>> True.


"It is not the language of privilege. I may be disconnected from my being Filipino, but with a tongue of privilege I will always have my connections"

>>>> He is being arrogant here.  At the same time, he admits that he is disconnected from being Filipino.  It means that inversely, if you dont want to be arrogant, you should be connected with your filipino self.  The key to understanding is he admits he is disconnected.

In finality, the article is poorly written and didnt convey the message he wanted.  However, the message is true and you really cant be mad about the article. Thats just plain stupid.

What can we expect, eh high school pa lang ang nagsulat :D
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: monkey d luffy August 27, 2011, 08:13:46 PM
Naaawa ako sa kanya.... . . . .   
batambata kapa at marami kapang kailangang malaman at intindihin sa mundo. . . .  yan ang totoo. . .
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Idiot August 27, 2011, 08:15:56 PM
What can we expect, eh high school pa lang ang nagsulat Cheesy

high school pa lang yan galing a very argumentative ang ginawa nya pati dito e pinakulo nya ang damdamin ng nakakabasa

tama naman sya language of the learned and english

di ka makakapag-board exams kung di ka magaling sa english saan ka pupulutin so kung di mo maantindahan e tambay ka lang tindero, tindera, jeepney driver

truth hurts

maski ang mga nagagalit dito e english ang mga processor nyo at monitor na gnagamit ay banyaga and yet galit kayo sa may tagalog ba yung "PENTIUM"

pati cellphone company english SMART, GLOBE, SUN, PLDT(philippine long distance company) english pa den yan ang yet nagagalit kayo sa article bayantel lang ata ang taglish

baka underwear nyo, sapatos, t-shirts e tatak ay English maski ukay-ukay tatak english and yet nagagalit kayo sa article
 
  
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: gardov August 27, 2011, 09:14:43 PM
hmmm mukhang iba ata ang nakuha nyo sa essay nya...

ang nakuha ko ay ang pagiging arogante nya dahil marunong sya magingles at lahat ng mga hindi para sa kanya ay mga mangmang...

walang kinalaman sa sistema ng pagaaral sa Pilipinas.


also, english isn't the language of the learned... it's just another language... naging universal lang sya dahil sa kapitalismo. kailangang matutunan para maging mas madali ang pangangalakal.

pero para sabihin na edukado ka na dahil sa alam mo ang wikang banyaga ay isang kapalaluan ( kahambugan ).

also, pareng IDIOT, hindi argumentative ang essay nya, wala ngang purpose kundi ang ipakita sa madla na marunong sya mag ingles... which isn't really much. everyone i know understands and speaks english... nothing to be proud about.



: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: ratbukayo August 27, 2011, 09:52:10 PM
hanep sa yabang naman si james soriano! sama ako sa mga gugulpe dyan.

baka ayos lang kung may filipino blood ka at pinanaganak at lumaki sa amerika o ibang bansa. iba na ang kultura niya pag ganon. pero para ipanaganak, pinalaki at pinag aral sa sarili mong bansa, kakaiba na ito.

ang ingles, second language. privilege yan. kaya madami foreigner bilib sa atin dahil madaming pinoy na magaling sa ingles.

para isipin niya na pang katulong, tindero at pang sakay ng jeep? kayabanagan na yan. anong klaseng edukasyon yan mula sa magulang at sa ateneo?

he will always be connected? sarap sipain sa ulo to at baka maalala niya pilipino siya. mahina din siguro mata at akala niya maputi siya.

james soriano, leche ka! dapat sa iyo palayasin sa sarili mong bansa. ang tanga mo parq birahin ang sarili mong wika at kultura. magaling ga mag ingles pero anong "learned" sinasabi mo? di ka pa ba natuto sa mga palabas sa amerika na bumira sa pinas eh binoycott natin. tapos nandito ka, ganyan ka pa magsalita. gulpe abot mo ogag!

sa mga di nakakakita ng masama sa panunulat ni james, eh mga atenista din siguro kayo.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: piningerZ August 28, 2011, 07:34:54 AM
"para isipin niya na pang katulong, tindero at pang sakay ng jeep?"


again, sinasalaysay niya ang pananaw niya noong bata pa siya. NOONG BATA PA SIYA.  can you fault him if he thought this way when he was, say, in grade school? hindi di ba?  bata pa nga siya noon at kinuwento lang niya ang pananaw niya noong panahon na yun.

@pareng bleep: totoo na mali ang pananaw niya noon.  eh bata pa nga siya noon.  ako nga, noong bata ako, kala ko totoo si batman :D

siya na nga mismo nagsabi na mas mabaho pa siya sa malansang isda... meaning ayaw niya ang ganyan pananaw.

eto ang interpretasyon ko.


pareng gardov: totoo sinabi mo na english is not the language of the learned.  however, in our society, this is what is commonly perceived, even if it is not true.

off topic: ang sarap makipagdebate dito sa espiya.  kahit iba-iba ang mga pananaw, matalino at magalang ang mga diskusyon.

mabuhay ang espiya!

: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: gardov August 28, 2011, 10:46:35 AM



again, sinasalaysay niya ang pananaw niya noong bata pa siya. NOONG BATA PA SIYA.  can you fault him if he thought this way when he was, say, in grade school? hindi di ba?  bata pa nga siya noon at kinuwento lang niya ang pananaw niya noong panahon na yun.




kinuwento nya yung pagiisip nya nung bata pa sya hanggang sa edad nya ngayon... sa dulo ng kanyang essay sinabi nyang

'So I have my education to thank for making English my mother language."

sa kanyang huling pangungusap hindi pa rin nagbabago ang kanyang mentalidad.


pareng gardov: totoo sinabi mo na english is not the language of the learned.  however, in our society, this is what is commonly perceived, even if it is not true.

 



para sa akin kasi ang matutong magsalitang mag inglis ay paraan lang para mas ma express ang sarili sa mundo. pero yung essay ni Soriano, may abilidad sya sa pagsusulat ng english pero imbis na itaas ang antas ng kanyang pagka Pilipino, mas lalo nya pang tinapak tapakan.

para sa akin mga langaw ang tawag sa mga ganyang tao... mga langaw na nakatuntong sa kalabaw, akala mo mas mataas na sa kalabaw.

kahit na anong taas ang tingin nila sa kanilang sarili, sa paningin ng buong mundo, tae lang ang nilalamon nila.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: fr02hero August 28, 2011, 11:25:43 AM
May punto sana yung nagsasabing sarcastic yung essay nya at patama para sa iba.. pero dahil dalawa na pala yung nasulat nyang pang mamaliit sa wikang pambansa e masasabi kong puro kayabangan at kahambugan lang ang umiiral sa kumag na yan.. dun sa mga nagsasabing hindi dapat magalit sa kanya kasi ganyan sya pinalaki. mali kayo. may sarili tayong pagiisip kung gusto natin maging mapagmataas o matutong makisama sa kapwa.

Mas Filipino ko pang maituturing ang mga taong ito kaysa sa batang kumag na si James Soriano:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7UlkhBSFEk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z62XnTr-M6Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTCqT1mu10I&feature=related


: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: Idiot August 28, 2011, 07:46:17 PM
also, pareng IDIOT, hindi argumentative ang essay nya, wala ngang purpose kundi ang ipakita sa madla na marunong sya mag ingles... which isn't really much. everyone i know understands and speaks english... nothing to be proud about.

ha ha ha very argumentative nga sinulat nya nagagalit ka at naiinis dito na sa tingin mo e mayabang or manglalait si Soriano na mali sya e naintindihan mo  sinulat tol

tsaka Pure English yan tol bakit mo naintindihan ibig bang sabihin e  learned ka den naintindihan mo yung nakasulat

bakit si Rizal na Pinoy e sinulat nya yung mga novels nya sa Spanish marunong naman syang magtagalog???

so kung natamaan ka sa sinabi nya ibig sabihin mas gusto mo yung english language kaysa sa Filipino

kung nakasulat kaya yan sa Filipino babasahin nyo malamang HINDI baka di nyo maintindihan yung mga nakasulat especially kung malalalim yung mga tagalog hahahahhahahahhhhhhhh
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: DinGdOnGDantes August 28, 2011, 08:06:36 PM
This is bull shit. He can learn or speak english pero wag naman i- diss ang sarili nating wika.

Ang hindi marunong mag mhal ng sariling wika ay daig pa ang malansang isda

sabi nga ni J.P. Rizal.

: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: gardov August 29, 2011, 12:47:24 AM
ha ha ha very argumentative nga sinulat nya nagagalit ka at naiinis dito na sa tingin mo e mayabang or manglalait si Soriano na mali sya e naintindihan mo  sinulat tol

tsaka Pure English yan tol bakit mo naintindihan ibig bang sabihin e  learned ka den naintindihan mo yung nakasulat

bakit si Rizal na Pinoy e sinulat nya yung mga novels nya sa Spanish marunong naman syang magtagalog???

so kung natamaan ka sa sinabi nya ibig sabihin mas gusto mo yung english language kaysa sa Filipino

kung nakasulat kaya yan sa Filipino babasahin nyo malamang HINDI baka di nyo maintindihan yung mga nakasulat especially kung malalalim yung mga tagalog hahahahhahahahhhhhhhh


Masyado ka atang nasilaw sa pananalita nyang inglis at hindi masyadong inintindi ang nilalaman ng kanyang essay.

icompare mo ba ang mga nobela ni Rizal sa 250 word or so essay ni Soriano? 
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: arwin_absinthe August 29, 2011, 01:33:37 AM
Di pa rin ako nainiwala na ang english is "language of the learned". May mga taong matatalino, pero di marunong mag english. Alam lang nila ay yung sarili nilang wika.

Di pa siya siguro nakakarating ng ibang bansa. Sa mga bansang napuntahan ko, madalas iniignore lang nila ang english kasi di naman nila lengguahe nun, saka di naman daw sila taga england or america para matutunan at isapuso ang ingles.
Tulad na rin sa workplace ko ngayon. Mixed nationality kami dito. English ang ginagamit namin dito sa pakikipag usap sa isat isa. Pero kahit yung mga kasama kong puti, walang pakialam sa grammar. Basta ang importante nagkakaintindihan kami.

So, what I'm trying to point out is: speaking in english doesn't make you a "learned" one, but a person who can communicate with people who can understand it.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: dweizz August 29, 2011, 01:39:59 AM
sa lahat ng mga bansa sa asia, tingin ko pilipinas ang pinakamagaling sa english... pero hindi ibig sabihin nito tayo na rin ang pinaka-malakas/mayaman/edukado na bansa...
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: kenji321 August 29, 2011, 04:37:45 AM
One word to describe this person - ARROGANT. tsk tsk. what a waste. may mga kaibigan akong english speaking sa bhay nila at hindi alam ang mga malalalalim na tagalog pero hindi sila katulad nitong taong to kung umasta. tsk tsk tsk.
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: BlueAlphaZero August 29, 2011, 03:22:45 PM
I might be mistaken, my fellow Espiyas, but I do believe that these statements (with a bit of editing on my part) are the heart of the matter (so to speak) for this particular fellow:

"[Filipino] is not the language of privilege. I may be disconnected from my being Filipino, but with a tongue of privilege I will always have my connections."

And here I thought that Ateneans were taught to succeed in life by their own merits rather than by trading on ties. How disappointing this fellow turns out to be. 
: Re: AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm
: morrismo August 29, 2011, 03:30:53 PM
I might be mistaken, my fellow Espiyas, but I do believe that these statements (with a bit of editing on my part) are the heart of the matter (so to speak) for this particular fellow:

"[Filipino] is not the language of privilege. I may be disconnected from my being Filipino, but with a tongue of privilege I will always have my connections."

And here I thought that Ateneans were taught to succeed in life by their own merits rather than by trading on ties. How disappointing this fellow turns out to be. 

I completely agree... Marami akong friends and relatives from Ateneo, I am sure ikahihiya nila etong inaasal ng batang eto... I passed the entrance exam there but instead I chose UP hehehe... Kahit anu man ang kapintasan ng Pinas eh I AM PROUD TO BE A FILIPINO!