If it destroys their brain, then so be it. BTW, smoking weed decreases lung cancer risk, and reverses the condition....i found it hard to believe....but seeing is believing
Legalize MJ. If people know the significant benefits of hemp and MJ in medicine, manufacturing, and energy, they would think twice of banning this substance. It is good to know, the body produces natural cannabinoids, which governments use as a basis to ban MJ. If cannabinoids is naturally produced in our body, why should we ban an external source of it. Government should not regulate behavior. Let people decide their own risks. If it destroys their brain, then so be it. BTW, smoking weed decreases lung cancer risk, and reverses the condition....i found it hard to believe....but seeing is believing...
sir kluverbucy,
you have a point, but baguio is not in Ifugao. Baguio is very much located in Benguet. Though you are right about what you had seen and observed while you are there. The topic say Ifugao Gov. wants to legalize MJ, I didn't see any "baguio" in there. Sorry but i'm just sayin...
a lot of filipinos don't know better than to smoke it like a chain smoker does to a cigarette. smoking::
in the Philippines people live here are undisciplined people simple laws na lang e di kayang sundin
sample na lang
"BAWAL TUMAWID NAKAKAMATAY" and yet tatawid sila kapag nasagasaan sisihin ang Goverment sa tulong ng mass media na pinapakita na inutil ang goverment pero kung titignan mabuti may sign board na "bawal tumawid nakakamatay"
ito pa kayang marijuana na ito kung gawin legal lalo na sa medical industry callous at shrewd ang mga doctor sa atin yung ngang morphine kahit na controlled yan e may na-aadict pa din dyan lalo na MJ pa kaya.
Anything that relaxed you decreases the risk of cancer either thru
1. meditation
2. yoga
3. El shaddai or any religious faith healing activities
4. Even Drugs like MJ
it's not MJ the main hero that decrease cancer risk but the body repair itself because cancer patients feel stressed and anxious all the time . They always think their loved ones or the future of their love ones, the impending death. sino ba naman di ma -stressed kung sasabihin ng doctor mo 1 month ka lang
sometimes we advised cancer patients to go to a faith healer or something religious activities kapag nakapunta sila may magsasabi na effective guminhawa ang pakiramdam nila ang di lang nila alam e di nila iniisip yung problema nila kaya sumarap ang pakiramdam same din yan sa Mari Juana
tsaka ayaw ng goverment na mag-conduct ng research like marijuana kase malaki ang kita ng mga oncologist sa mga drugs may 500k to 300k/session versus 100 piso na marijuana baka tanim mo lang sa bakuran mo tutubo pa yan (good side)
well, isn't that the whole point of freedom? i guess it is only possible to make such a statement if we are subjecting liberties into the arbitrary abyss....freedom is overrated. look at what it did to us to the filipino people. smoking::
1. Alcohol is a drug and its legal.... it offers some benefits, limited at 30ml in volume consumption, anything beyond that limit causes hazardous effects and alters mental state... Many deaths are directly linked to the usage of alcohol...many crimes are directly linked to alcohol.. Why is it not illegalized?
2. Cigarettes absolutely no therapeutic benefits yet it is legal. Causes millions of illnesses directly linked by the use of cigarettes. Why is it legal?
freedom is overrated. look at what it did to us to the filipino people. smoking::
counter-argument
1. rate of addiction of MJ and any other illegal drugs is way to much faster than tobacco and alcohol
2. tobacco does not affect one's intellectual processing or decision-making ability unlike MJ or any illegal drugs
3. Puffing a MJ gives you instant effect, instant high, drinking moderate alcohol consumption still make you functional
4. MJ also called a "gateway drug" if you take MJ you will also take another illegal drugs
another thing Pork's meat, fast foods, too much salt, too much cholesterol can causes major organ problems like heart disease and cancer following your logic WHY IT IS ILLEGALIZED?
no, freedom is never over rated...it is the highest political attainment of any society.... What we have is not the greatest measure of freedom...we just exchange foreign tyrants with local ones... just because the people did not make good use of something inherently good makes this good bad...
freedom is overrated because it can breed too much free thinking to a point that it rejected discipline in our case. regardless of our leadership, we had all the chances to learn and accept the discipline and we didn't so why put another that we are prone to abuse ? smoking::
i think it is just condescending to even consider such thought.... Regardless whether other people are disciplined or not, that doesn't make freedom any less important... Too much free thinking? I think the problem would be limited thinking, especially those that are necessary to instill one version of discipline, then that would be a Hitler style political environment. People were very disciplined.you are only speaking on general terms, not on per situation. try relating it on the current status of the filipino mentality and say freedom didn't corrupt us. i can write a whole paragraph on how freedom corrupted us but i would digress cause it is not the point here. it's the discipline on how to use such stuff and that discipline has been eroded by freedom.
Discipline of other people are not of your concerned, if and only if they do not transgress your natural rights. Other than that, i believe discipline from one family to another is different and can never be efficiently subscribe to anybody's version of how discipline should be.
I find it stupid to put freedom on contrast with being disciplined...honestly, think about it...its plain stupid.
you are only speaking on general terms, not on per situation. try relating it on the current status of the filipino mentality and say freedom didn't corrupt us. i can write a whole paragraph on how freedom corrupted us but i would digress cause it is not the point here. it's the discipline on how to use such stuff and that discipline has been eroded by freedom.
and why should i not be concerned of other people using mj when i have seen the two sides of it ? i have friends who use it and they are perfectly normal. i had friends that caused a lot of trouble before going crazy, now tell me why should i not be concerned ? cause it's not my life and it's within their rights to do so ? that's bullshit, in my opinion. i have lost many friends on being not concerned.
2. Tobacco is million times toxic, and no medical benefit can ever be derive from it. MJ showed many significant medical benefits and even produced EMPIRICAL medical evidence... The stigma on it make people avoid its discussion....that's a shame.
its good to know, the leaders of the US way back its infant republic until 1913 are stonerswhat happen why they ban it if it produces and have a medical benefit? somethings crazy happen
How freedom corrupted us? On the contrary.... what corrupted us is not freedom, its the government
Tobacco don't make people crazy even though it leads to organ diseases that can be cured but sanity isn't or very difficult to cure and alcohol you still a sane person even you drink it everyday. Even what is legal or illegal you will still die and buried six feet underground
what happen why they ban it if it produces and have a medical benefit? somethings crazy happen
Ohh your very right Magis
I can say you are a retard,
you are bullshit,
you momma is whore that breed retards like you
so this is freedom right the government didn't told me to say this or anybody because i want to say this. So the government at fault because I have a freedom to say this words
you a whore suck my dick magis,
you are a pathetic bitch
smoke MJ and fuck you
so the Government at fault if i wanna say this. I maybe blame DepEd but the problems is they never teach this words at school what agency at fault maybe Federal government they gave us freedom
no ill-feeling bro i said that because of freedom and the government is at fault i said that to you based on your logic
so we call your bitch, retard, mongoloid, idiot anything we please because of freedom and who corrupt freedom the Government
so blame the government
Moderator don't blame me for FLAMING WORDS blame the government because they corrupt freedom
right MAGIS
epal lng po . sarap magbasa nakaka high 8)
para sakin, bad ang marijuana..
di dapat yan nilalantad sa mundo..
wawa naman mga magiging anak ko nyan if ok yan to public..
would you like, PH to supply marijuana?
hahahha.. anu ko bangag? hahhahaha... zoooommm.... hahahha..
gutom na ko...
::lmao ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao
How freedom corrupted us? On the contrary.... what corrupted us is not freedom, its the government. When Laws are crafted deviating from the protection of natural rights, laws that regulate markets, give welfare, and subsidize certain sectors, all of which are arbitrary, corrupted us... I could discourse you, point by point, on why corruption is so pervasive, and freedom is not the reason. If freedom corrupts, then would you readily live a life of subservience? I guess not... Freedom corrupts is another stupid notion..blaming the government for our own actions is really stupid. all of us had a clean slate on our last revolution and what has happened back then, still the same shit as it. the oligarchy won't be this strong if people weren't less freedom oriented than discipline oriented (corruption won't even breed if they were more disciplined to begin with)
This appeal to emotion regarding prohibition is meaningless faced with principles... Ultimately, it was your friends decision to ruin their lives or not... People who eat too much face the same problem, they ruin their lives.... People who play too much games also destroy their lives.... If we are going to be consistent with your thinking, that the government has all the right to ban something that hurts people themselves, then we should advocate for banning cholesterol rich foods, a law regulating time spent on games, etc.... that is something i detest to the very core of my being...i own myself, i decide to be healthy or to be sick... If ever a friend of mine is using drugs, which i detest personally, i can try my best to convince him...but if he proceeds in doing so, what right do i have to make him live his life according to my perspective... the same goes with government, they really don;t have the natural moral position to alter personal behavior by imposing such prohibtion. We are not the property of the government.
You are evading the question of principle, who has the right to your own body? The concern here is whether the consumption of one good, that risks the user only, is to be prohibited by the government is a valid moral position when in fact it steps into the violation of the natural rights of that user.... Who has the sole responsibility to calculate one's risk? ultimately its the individual..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MESZh-_uyUQ&feature=related => to save you from embarassing remarks and educate yourself, its free.
its good to know, the leaders of the US way back its infant republic until 1913 are stoners
nope I'm answered your question I'm just following up Pall argument and you said the government is at fault corrupting freedom having rights is freedom but having the right is been corrupt by the government from your argument so anythings has the right therefore they have freedom so if they have freedom the goverment was the sole villain to the rights of the individual as your argument that the goverment corrupt freedom therefore if a individual choose what he thinks is right and something happen to him/her who is at fault the goverment or the individual who choose what is rights or the freedom itself?
and still you didn't answer my question
and I'm asking what happen why they ban it if it produces something good and have a medical benefit? somethings crazy happen can you educate me
@Fermina miss namin yung ganito madalang lang kami nakakita ng ganito heheheh
@smitty the problem is the effect of MJ is instant and it produces bad trip and a good trip. There is no question of medical benefits but Pinoy are abusive and undisciplined people. I heard some Doctors prescribed Morphine and yet they inject themselves i dont know if they exist and reported in a news agency that some was arrested selling it to a black market their modus they prescribed Regulated pain killer then they just hide it and write to the patient chart that they given it already. In case of MJ if legalized they prescribe it and change it to a normal tobacco viola plecebo effect and the doctors get high and the patient pays for it
unlike tobacco and alcohol takes time to die unless you drink 5-10 cases of beer or 5 keg or 1 bottle of gin bilog and you add ecstasy the recipe for a road accident
blaming the government for our own actions is really stupid. all of us had a clean slate on our last revolution and what has happened back then, still the same shit as it. the oligarchy won't be this strong if people weren't less freedom oriented than discipline oriented (corruption won't even breed if they were more disciplined to begin with)
you do not extol to me to the argument on how i shouldn't be caring or just giving up on someone's shit when their loved ones are crying right in front of you when you could have done better or prevented that. if anyone were to go with my thinking, they (or the government) should know better than to make it legal for those reasons.
on the flip side, if they do allow mj to be legalized, it would be on a strictly controlled state, but knowing the current filipino mentality, i doubt that control would be enforced. so bam, a new loophole begins smoking::
It's a plant darn it! 100% natural. Ever since di ko ata naview ito na kasing sama ng cocain, meth, at... yosi :D
I'm amazed by your unchallenged stupid arguments.... Just listen what you are trying to say... There won't be a strong oligarchy only if the people are less free? Oligarchy is a group of few people controlling the rest. In effect, you are saying there won't be few people controlling the rest when the rest of the people are more controlled?
What is more disciplined? You are in an obsolete paradigm of Stalin and Hitler, by suggesting that discipline is more important than freedom. Corruption of power is far greater in a state enforcing its view of "discipline" on the rest of the people, ignoring their freedom to live their lives the way they want it so that the collective discipline won't be undermined.
Loop Holes? Do you know that drug lords as well as MJ lords (i find these two separate from their effects on the body and mind) don't want the country to legalize them? Because it destroys their control and profits in the business.... With it being illegal, they command a monopoly in this industry, they can pay politicians millions of pesos as well as law enforcers...the ones they can't, they kill... It is just unrealistic to stop this drug war, even if we use the entire army of the philippines to fight it.
I indeed you are sincere in eradicating this problem, legalize it. We can lessen the crime, violence, and economic waste in this stupid war. Drug lords fear the day that MJ will be legalized. It will prevent users to progress to higher drugs. The statistics prove contrary to the common belief that MJ is a gateway drug.
agree...if hindi ito pinagbawal, most probably walang shabu, cocain at meth....
1. Please make it concise, its almost impossible to get the gist of your counter argument.... you never implied or directly answered my fundamental question of principle, who owns your body?
2.There was an international organization that met between 1910-1930's, forgot the exact date... They were banning substances that are considered illegal drugs....
legalize it. We can lessen the crime, violence, and economic waste in this stupid war. Drug lords fear the day that MJ will be legalized. It will prevent users to progress to higher drugs. The statistics prove contrary to the common belief that MJ is a gateway drug.
What is more disciplined? You are in an obsolete paradigm of Stalin and Hitler,
if people were more less freedom oriented (like choosing leaders because of their popularity, allowing themselves to be swayed easily through bribes etc) and discipline oriented (aka, choosing leaders because of their productivity or past work, not easily swooned over) we would be in a different situation from now. the current oligarchy uses the former to their advantage
i do not extol stalin or hitler but a certain amount of discipline is needed. you seem to assume i am pointing to that direction but then you are so arguing that point to me. never did i say we needed to go to the levels of stalin or hitler, you just assumed as it.
loopholes meaning we have more access to it than it shouldn't be barring medicinal purposes. i do not to argue on supposed profits, lowered crime rates and such details considering that's just hopeful thinking if you didn't include the current philippine mentality. you could postulate on it, you could even show examples on other places but it doesn't exactly prove that making mj legal on the philippines would have the same results to those places.
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i don't think so
Cocaine - came from coca plant therefore if they legalize MJ why not cocaine if it came from plant
freedom is the premise not the body or etc as pall mentioned first therefore the premise is freedom corrupts people then you answered the goverment corrupt freedom this the current premise it is not the body or anything it is freedom
and as i said right is freedom so i choose freedom corrupts but you choose goverment corrupts freedom any right you have is the goverment fault as your premise so what the problem I'm using your premise in the earlier post
so it is legal then illegalized it doesn't make sense unless their is a major destructive reason to ban it if it is unsuccessful in that time therefore how sure are we that it will be successful today if the anthropologist believe than the human mind and intellect is constant the differences is we used technology if that MJ will be legal even though it failed the legality at that time.
I don't get the point meth and other drugs are very difficult to manufacture unlike MJ just spread the Seed and it grows so why they focus to much to a industry like meth heroin and cocaine if they can shift to MJ drugs lords are drugs lords they fight a turf and territory not to a industry
hitler - the only problem he had was he wage war that his fault but never the less they have the advance tech at that time only achieve by discipline some analyst says if he help the jews to conquer Israel and focus to their industry they will be the superpower until today sad to say he is just human
Stalin - he's insane that's all that's not discipline ignorance is the cause that's the reason they purge the intellectual at his time. YOu can easily manipulate ignorant people if you compare it today it is obsolete because you can learn anything even in the internet
and why you excluded the japanese and singapore and Malaysia they were a highly discipline countries nowadays and literally rich country.
What you expounded on the concept of "more less freedom" (english teachers will cry) is not really pertaining to freedom but a process called DEMOCRACY... DEMOCRACY is never equal to freedom, infact it undermines freedom, by subjugating the minorities to the whims of the majority... Its clear now that you have no grasp on the concept of freedom... by just that one example you cited, it is clear that you are confusing the idea of democracy to the idea of freedom.... Freedom never empower Oligarchs, but the illusion of freedom via democracy...
What you are implying is that most of the people (i assume you consider yourself disciplined enough to warrant a perceived authority to decry on the seeming lacking in discipline of others) are undisciplined and should be disciplined... That is a vague suggestion.. Who would you want to do the disciplining? Government? If that is the idea, then there is no difference with the Hitler paradigm, he did not became a dictator overnight. There was no violent struggle for power. He was elected via DEMOCRACY, and started disciplining Germany towards his vision of a strong Germany. Discipline were enforced one at a time, and suddenly they realized they lost all their freedom. Germany never intended to lose all their freedom, but they agreed that germans must be disciplined to contribute to the collective vision.
Current Filipino mentality? Kindly expound on something so vague, a convenient alibi on evading intellectual dissection on the issues involved... Loopholes are non existent in a legalized commodity... How could there be one? Please, use common sense. Loop holes are only existent in arbitrary legislation... Inspite the presentation of scientific fact, i doubt you have the humility to accept the results... Ego is a bitch.
and i suppose the freedom we have today is undermined by democracy ? whoppeee nice. we have a democratic country that undermines our freedom that we choose leaders through popularity and other methods that hardly is good to use on. very nice indeed. our freedom has empowered oligarchs because we would rather choose such leaders despite our democracy.
the government is rather tainted now to expect such change and the disciplining part should come from the people themselves but that is where we have the problems for now. we can't be trusted on our accordance to control ourselves or pass better judgement on certain things. heck, we can't even trust others to put a dissenting opinion without having to put out threats or useless remarks. while that is evident all over the place, it is highlighted on the filipino mentality. the fact we are prone to abuse legal commodities is something i want to prevent from happening. use common sense, we abuse what we get easily hence my reason for loopholes. scientific fact or not, human nature is still prevalent among the filipinos smoking::
i have no ego to begin with but i would only argue to things that impact me the most.
Ang haba na pala ng debate na ito? Hehe! Pero mga tol reality check lang yung akin. Sino or ilan sa tingin niyo ang pulitiko na susuporta para malegalize ito? Gaya ng sabi ko sa naunang page dito, ang una unang makakalaban ninyo dito ang simbahan natin. Tingnan ninyo yung rep health bill, bakit ang hirap maipasa or maisakatuparan eventhough maganda naman sana ang hangarin ng batas na ito? Kasi simbahan na mismo ang kumakalaban. Same scenario rin ang mangyayari sa paglelegalize ng marijuana. Di pa diyan kasali mga other sectors at million2x na mamamayang pinoy mismo kakalaban para di masakatuparan yan. In short, wala rin mangyayari. Kung ako lang sana, kung pwede siya na legal then why not? Pero one problem is nasa pinas tayo.
Sooner or later ma legalize din yan...dahil yan na ang momentum sa Western countries... Gaya2x lang mga politiko dito sa atin, kaya susunod din sila kapag alam nila maging bala nila ito para election.
Dude, iba ang RH bill at ang MJ legalization.. Maski baliwalain natin ang Simbahan, tutol din aku diyan sa RH bill.
Rh bill is against property rights. It is ingrained within the bill for tax payers to relieve many people of their reproductive health obligations. This is an interference to personal behavior and choice, same with using MJ. Let people decide how they want to live their lives and at their expenses... Hindi naman talaga maging issue ang population control kung hindi tayo sumonod sa US health care and welfare system. Mataas2x yung mga issues didto kaya ipagpaliban ku nalang kasi off topic na..
Marijuana use is also against morality and values and you pretty much you know kung saan papanig ang simbahan natin... Basta sa simbahan natin ang illegal eh illegal kahit ano pang pagpapaliwanag mo. Sa issue ng rh bill... what I mean is matutulad lang sa scenario ng rh bill yung legalization ng marijuana. Marami ang kokontra to the point na walang mangyayari at malalagay lang sa baul ang batas na ito. At isa pa what do we care sa batas ng ibang bansa eh nasa pinas tayo? We have our own established set of rules and regulations na sinusunod. Batas po yan at di ginagaya lang sa iba kung di pinag iisipan rin yan ng mabuti kung magiging advantage or disadvantage siya sa mga mamamayan. Yeah tama ka diyan sooner or later pwede mangyayari... Nothing is impossible ika nga... Pero don't get all your hopes up.
Pero sa akin ok nga na illegal kasi masarap ang bawal. Hehe!
Brod NAPAKA NAPAKA LAYO ng Reproductive Health Bill sa Marijuana.. Tsong.. Ayus k lang ba? laffman:: LOL
Marijuana use is not against morality... although i understand why you are stating, basing on the perspective of the Church... But its really just the stigma... and to erase the stigma, education and information dissemination is key....
Just know the fact of its amazing benefits, who knows someday you might get cancer or someone close to you...if every treatment fails, or too expensive, just keep that little information that there is some little plant, proven by international medical science, even double blind studies, that can help you with the condition. This was the foundation of the increasing use of medical marijuana in the US.
On another issue, you might find it stupid, but yeah, we have been copying a lot of laws from the United States... Our Consitution itself is heavily influenced by the US constitution... How about K-12!? Yes, the same programs is copied from the US... How about RH bill? copied from the US, and US leaders also pressure the Phil government for its push... How about the stupid Biofuel law by Zubiri? oops, copied from US law... I can go on and on, and the trend will be, whatever US do, Philippine politicians use it as a convenient way of legislating.... of course some tweaks here and there but you get the general idea... and i won't be surprise if we will be banning sugar, if the US will ban sugar....
I'm not saying copying US laws is necessarily bad....you just know that what the US does, Philippines will follow sooner or later...
By making it illegal, we are shutting ourselves of the opportunity to profit from its economic potential as well as the medical breakthroughs it offers.... but of course, it is still a long way for it to happen....when we will be the last one to pick up...