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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2010, 10:19:11 pm »
saw the vid where the agent showed his rifle with a bullet hole right smack his front post.  kudos for iron sights, served him more than just for alignment! 

whats funny is that jayson ivler also was found guilty 2004 for the death of Nestor Ponce, a Malacañang undersecretary in a traffic incident.  Tapos yung kay Ebarle Jr.  grabe sa coincidence di ba? 

diba American Citizen itong si jayson?  if american citizen siya, how come NBI was still checking if licensed sa kanya yung baril na gamit niya?  pwede na ba magpalisensiya ng baril ang mga foreigners?  hhhhmmmmmmmm?

read this article at grabe sa twist ang buhay nitong tao na ito, parang catch-me-if-you-can -
http://coffeewithamee.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/the-case-of-jason-ivler/

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« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2010, 10:32:28 pm »
hahah ouch ung sa 2:13 pinipilipit ung kamay parang clay lang

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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2010, 11:17:48 pm »
It just occurred to me: I suspect that Jason Ivler's legal counsel will use Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder as a cornerstone for their defense.
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« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2010, 11:58:29 pm »
for me ivler is an hardcore he live through his action!!!handa siyang pumatay and handa rin siyang mamatay!!!di lang siya puro salita handa niyang panindigan ang sinasabi nya!!!i salute him for that though he is on the wrong side of law nga lang, he could have been a good cop!!! toast::

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« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2010, 12:37:38 am »
Well, he learned that yun nakalaban nya ay anak ng isang nagtratrabaho sa Malacanang. Knowing the kind of justice system we have na mahihirapan kang lumaban ng patas pag may pera or "malakas" ang katunggali, maybe, he felt he may not get the fair treatment sa courts.  Its just a matter of self preservation kaya nagtago yun tao.  Maybe, inaantay na lang muna na matapos term ni GMA para hindi na rin sa Malacanang work ang tatay ng nabaril nya and when that time comes, he will fight sa court yun mga accusation sa kanya.

Yun kasing pag pasok ng NBI sa haus nila ay pwede lang gawin if may valid na search warrant or arrest warrant.  Pero ang alam ko sa batas, pwede lang gawin ang search sa haus sa oras between 8am to 5pm (office hours). Moreover, ang search warrant must clearly identify kun ano ang hanapin at sinumpaan yun ng naghain ng kanyang kaalaman sa kun ano ang hahanapin.  Kun hindi sila papapasukin ay hindi rin pwede basta makapasok ang NBI maski may dala silang arrest warrant.  Sa dami ng mga kriminal na nagsusuot ng damit ng pulis or NBI, natural lang sa sinuman to question kun talaga ngang NBI ang dumating sa haus nya.  Anybody can say na NBI sya but who knows? Di ba nga naka suot pa ng SWAT ang mga nagnakaw sa Glorietta. Kun pinutukan man sila ni Mr. Jason sa pagpasok sa kwarto nya, it was a defense mechanism dahil hindi naman talaga nya alam if NBI nga talaga yun mga tao na nag claim na NBI sila. Kaya kun susundin ang procedures strictly, baka declare pa na hindi legal ang arrest sa kanya.  Note that the fruits ng isang maling paraan ay hindi pwede tanggapin ng korte.  Hindi nyo ba natatandaan na nung gustong mag imbestiga ng mga pulis sa bahay ni Ms. Miriam tungkol sa pagkamatay ng anak ay pinaalis nya ang mga ito at walang nagawa ang mga pulis. 

Ang naging kasalanan ng ina ni Mr. Jason ay hindi tumawag agad ng lawyer ng oras na may mga kumakatot sa kanyang bahay ng 6am. Pag may pumunta sa haus nyo ganun oras, first is ask to verify identity.  Check nyo sa ofis nila if talagang NBI or police.  Sa ganun oras, she could have told them to wait until 8am para pag open ng NBI office for her to know if talagang NBI nga sila.  Then, check if valid pa ang warrant.  Ito ay payo din sa lahat ng mga katoto dito if pupuntahan kayo ng mga tao na magpapakilala na sila ay NBI or police.  You can not just rely on badge or ID kasi dali naman magpagawa nyan sa Recto.  Check din if meron silang memo or order for a legitimate operation on that specific day.

Yan ang maling itinuturo ng mga palabas sa TV tungkol sa mga imbestigasyon at mga police operations.  Maraming flaws ang mga procedures nila pero dahil nasa TV, akala ng marami ay tama ang pamamaraan. Nguni't kung susundin ang mga tamang pamamaraan ng paghuli or pag imbestiga, hindi pwedeng tanggapin sa korte ang mga inihahain nilang mga katibayan or mga akusasyon. Ang masamang epekto, pati mga pulis na nanonood ng mga ito ay naniniwala sa mga sistemang ginagawa nun mga palabas na yon.
 

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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2010, 01:24:05 am »
sorry for the pun..

pero natawa talaga ako dun sa nbi agent na nalaglag yung magazine.. naka isang putok lang, blind shot pa...

pano kaya kung sya yung nasa frontline tpos napindut nya rin yung release. .hahaha! baka ibalibag nya nalang yung baril nya kay ivler.

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« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2010, 01:35:16 am »
smegman, hindi properly inserted yung magazine niya.  my guess is either naka_IWB holster siya na soft.  or hindi niya nacheck kung fully inserted yung mags niya.  when enroute to a target location, TL should always command a "lock-and-load", just to make sure na walang blunder na ganun.  hirap kung nakastack kayo tapos yung pointman ninyo, ganun pala status ng weapon ninyo, PAKTAY!

gkhan, saan po ninyo nabasa na from 8 am to 5 pm lng po ang warrant of arrest at search warrants?  this is a first for me, i mean ngayon ko lang narinig ito.  i am aware na sa search warrant, enumerated kung ano lang ang hahanapin at kung saan lang hahanapin.  say in a five-door apartment, pwede two-doors lng ang scope, etc, etc.  pero yung 8 am to 5 pm, ngayon ko lng tlaga narinig ito.  if that is the case, hindi na uubra mga early dawn attacks made to have the element of surprise on the side of the law.  why?  pag mga 4 am onwards, kahit yung mga mahihilig gumimik, malamang sa hindi-TULOG!
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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2010, 03:21:00 am »
Well, he learned that yun nakalaban nya ay anak ng isang nagtratrabaho sa Malacanang. Knowing the kind of justice system we have na mahihirapan kang lumaban ng patas pag may pera or "malakas" ang katunggali, maybe, he felt he may not get the fair treatment sa courts.  Its just a matter of self preservation kaya nagtago yun tao.  Maybe, inaantay na lang muna na matapos term ni GMA para hindi na rin sa Malacanang work ang tatay ng nabaril nya and when that time comes, he will fight sa court yun mga accusation sa kanya.

Yun kasing pag pasok ng NBI sa haus nila ay pwede lang gawin if may valid na search warrant or arrest warrant.  Pero ang alam ko sa batas, pwede lang gawin ang search sa haus sa oras between 8am to 5pm (office hours). Moreover, ang search warrant must clearly identify kun ano ang hanapin at sinumpaan yun ng naghain ng kanyang kaalaman sa kun ano ang hahanapin.  Kun hindi sila papapasukin ay hindi rin pwede basta makapasok ang NBI maski may dala silang arrest warrant.  Sa dami ng mga kriminal na nagsusuot ng damit ng pulis or NBI, natural lang sa sinuman to question kun talaga ngang NBI ang dumating sa haus nya.  Anybody can say na NBI sya but who knows? Di ba nga naka suot pa ng SWAT ang mga nagnakaw sa Glorietta. Kun pinutukan man sila ni Mr. Jason sa pagpasok sa kwarto nya, it was a defense mechanism dahil hindi naman talaga nya alam if NBI nga talaga yun mga tao na nag claim na NBI sila. Kaya kun susundin ang procedures strictly, baka declare pa na hindi legal ang arrest sa kanya.  Note that the fruits ng isang maling paraan ay hindi pwede tanggapin ng korte.  Hindi nyo ba natatandaan na nung gustong mag imbestiga ng mga pulis sa bahay ni Ms. Miriam tungkol sa pagkamatay ng anak ay pinaalis nya ang mga ito at walang nagawa ang mga pulis. 

Ang naging kasalanan ng ina ni Mr. Jason ay hindi tumawag agad ng lawyer ng oras na may mga kumakatot sa kanyang bahay ng 6am. Pag may pumunta sa haus nyo ganun oras, first is ask to verify identity.  Check nyo sa ofis nila if talagang NBI or police.  Sa ganun oras, she could have told them to wait until 8am para pag open ng NBI office for her to know if talagang NBI nga sila.  Then, check if valid pa ang warrant.  Ito ay payo din sa lahat ng mga katoto dito if pupuntahan kayo ng mga tao na magpapakilala na sila ay NBI or police.  You can not just rely on badge or ID kasi dali naman magpagawa nyan sa Recto.  Check din if meron silang memo or order for a legitimate operation on that specific day.

Yan ang maling itinuturo ng mga palabas sa TV tungkol sa mga imbestigasyon at mga police operations.  Maraming flaws ang mga procedures nila pero dahil nasa TV, akala ng marami ay tama ang pamamaraan. Nguni't kung susundin ang mga tamang pamamaraan ng paghuli or pag imbestiga, hindi pwedeng tanggapin sa korte ang mga inihahain nilang mga katibayan or mga akusasyon. Ang masamang epekto, pati mga pulis na nanonood ng mga ito ay naniniwala sa mga sistemang ginagawa nun mga palabas na yon.
 

dumali ang nagmamagaling na pekeng abugado hahahahahahahahahahahaha

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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2010, 03:44:11 am »
dumali ang nagmamagaling na pekeng abugado hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Asiong, does that mean we should disregard the post of Gkhan regarding time scope of warrants, that being 8 am to 5 pm?  ang alam ko kasi, merong time-frame when such warrants are valid, afterwards hindi na siya valid.  but that would be covering days on the average.  ang akin lang naman, baka kasi merong binago sa batas natin, alam mo naman dito, he he he!
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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2010, 04:26:37 am »
He is brave and no fear. He could have won the gunfight if only he has more space to manuever. He could have escaped and gun down those NBI agents.Iba talaga ang training ng US military..kung sasampu lang mga NBI na pumasok dun baka may kalagyan sila kay Ivler.Unang nasa utak ng NBI e media exposure kaya kabuntot agad yung camera kahit d sila sigurado sa sitwasyon.  gun:: gun:: gun::

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« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2010, 04:50:36 am »
He is brave and no fear. He could have won the gunfight if only he has more space to manuever. He could have escaped and gun down those NBI agents.Iba talaga ang training ng US military..kung sasampu lang mga NBI na pumasok dun baka may kalagyan sila kay Ivler.Unang nasa utak ng NBI e media exposure kaya kabuntot agad yung camera kahit d sila sigurado sa sitwasyon.  gun:: gun:: gun::

yung sa kung samu lng ang NBI ay may paglalagyan sila kay Jason, i beg to disagree.  he is holed up in a small space, flash-bang and he will never know what hit him.  or better yet, smoke him and let him crawl out for fresh air. 

minus points nga yung may media to cover the event, sama mo pa na magbrebreach sila kasama pa yung nanay ni jason.  they all placed those people's lives at risk.  hirap pa kaya gumalaw pag ganun.  what if at the middle of the gunfight, the mom grabbed a pistol from those carrying long guns and started shooting away?  bloody mess which could have been prevented in the first place.
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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2010, 05:44:02 am »
Asiong, does that mean we should disregard the post of Gkhan regarding time scope of warrants, that being 8 am to 5 pm?  ang alam ko kasi, merong time-frame when such warrants are valid, afterwards hindi na siya valid.  but that would be covering days on the average.  ang akin lang naman, baka kasi merong binago sa batas natin, alam mo naman dito, he he he!

Rule 126 - Sec. 9. Time of making search. – The warrant must direct that it be served in the day time, unless the affidavit asserts that the property is on the person or in the place ordered to be searched, in which case a direction may be inserted that it be served at any time of the day or night.

              Sec. 10. Validity of search warrant. – A search warrant shall be valid for ten (10) days from its date. Thereafter, it shall be void.


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« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2010, 06:33:23 am »
Nyahaha, yare kayo kay atty. asyong salonga... nagresearch, hehe. Pero teka, di ba kriminal ka ng tondo? bagong buhay ka na pala ngayon, abugado ka na.  ;D

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« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2010, 10:27:59 am »
If the accused remains at large for 6 months from the delivery of the warrant.. The complainant can request to the court to issue an alias warrant..It does not expire until the subject is arrested.  ;)

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« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2010, 10:45:53 am »
Nag dadrama na naman itong nanay niyang puta nakakainis. Sarap burahin sa mundo.

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« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2010, 12:38:03 pm »
hahaha nalaglag ata ung magasine ng nbi agent or official after one ound ng pagpapaputok ng baril nya (kaya ata nagsabi xa ng paputukan nyu kc la xa mag pinupulot pa tsk tsk) laffman:: laffman::

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« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2010, 01:47:55 pm »
kudos NBI.. great job.. :applause :applause :applause

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« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2010, 03:32:31 pm »
Umaatikabong barilan nung inaresto c ivler kanina, parang pelikula.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ3xGr88d84&feature=player_embedded

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oo nga napansin ko rin yon... may sayad talaga tong mrs. aguilar na to..... may lakas pa ng loob manawagan sa US Embassy:

"My son was one of your soldiers.... He fought in Iraq... blah blah blah... Now look how they (NBI) are treating your soldier.... please help me protect him.... protect him from them.... huhuhu"

WTF?!? baliw! kunsintedorang nanay... dapat makulong din para matauhan..... kaya lumaki ng ganyan yong anak nya....
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« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2010, 04:45:36 pm »

haay naku, opinyon ko, marahil ay may mga kamalian sa part ng NBI pero at least nahuli na din yang Jason Ivler na yan... i mean, NBI might have commited some moral and un-"ideal" actions upon Ivler's captivity, pero at least tapos na at nahuli na yung suspect... (di na sya basta-basta makakabaril sa kalsada at mas safe na tayo heheh)

parang Superheroes lang yan tulad ni Batman, di man ideal at medyo labag sa batas yung pamamaraan, sa mundo natin ngayong magulo na at sadyang madaming masasamang loob... minsan, the end justifies the means...

kung may mga mali talaga at paglabag na nagawa ang nbi, eh managot na lang ang dapat managot... hatulan ang dapat hatulan, at least worth it naman at nahuli din si Ivler heehhehe

badtrip kasi, ginagawa ng ibang criminal eh sa mga safety protocols at procedures dinadaan at pinaiikot-ikot sa technicalities para maabsuwelto, makatakas at magtago sa batas...

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« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2010, 06:25:23 pm »
Rule 126 - Sec. 9. Time of making search. – The warrant must direct that it be served in the day time, unless the affidavit asserts that the property is on the person or in the place ordered to be searched, in which case a direction may be inserted that it be served at any time of the day or night.

              Sec. 10. Validity of search warrant. – A search warrant shall be valid for ten (10) days from its date. Thereafter, it shall be void.



my point exactly.  ang lahat ay "ideal" clause, however it is not that strict.  pwede pa ring magraid beyond "office hours", he he he.  ang alam ko lang na sumusunod sa 8 to 5 protocol ay ang LTO, ha ha ha.  kaya pag pinara kayo ng outside of those times, "naka-OVERTYM" ang mga yan at siguro "mapapa-OVERSPEND" kayo.

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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2010, 08:06:47 pm »
yung sa kung samu lng ang NBI ay may paglalagyan sila kay Jason, i beg to disagree.  he is holed up in a small space, flash-bang and he will never know what hit him.  or better yet, smoke him and let him crawl out for fresh air. 


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« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2010, 10:14:04 pm »
Buti naisip mo yan,ang tanong e kung naisip ng NBI yan..  laffman::

malamang naisip din nila yan, but the question is meron kaya sila ng mga ganun.  my guess is malamang wala.

ideally, if id be in the teamm, id wanna have the following:  battering ram and other breaching tools, body armor for all the members of the team and yung pointman should have body armor with plates tapos additional ballistic shield.  heavy-duty grade throatmic with large PTT.

team position for stack should be:

pointman, with ballistic shield and fortified body armor.
breacher with body armor and with short primary weapon.
frag member which would toss the flash bang, etc.
tapos depende na sa situation, several members of the main breachers with varied weapons.

dapat meron din sila intel spotters with scope or binoculars saka sniper rifle for any eventualities.  perimeter guys should position themselves strategically, and in my opinion, close enough to effect a result when needed pero not that close na madali madamay if in case.  they should also be careful not to be caught in friendly fire.

all team members should be in radio contact para alam lahat ng nangyayari.

ganito movement, one solid group approach the target location until they come across the obstruction, say a door.
pointman wuld step aside, breacher will "breach" the door. after he succeeds, he will step aside.
frag member will toss flash bang to "stun" the perps, then step aside.
main breachers will then enter pointing their weapons in their assigned sectors.

pag neutralized na at secure yung venue, then saka lang pwede pumasok ang media.  pero siyempre while everything is going on, they can still cover the operation but rather in a safe distance. 

but thats just me.  you'd say mahihirapang iacquire yang mga gamit na ganyan - id say madali lang.  say yung throat mic which would cost around 4 to 10k each, presyuhan na nila ng 25k sa requisitioning stage pa lang.  tignan natin pag hindi approve agad yan.    ;D

baka naman may magsabi dito na masyado naman ng overkill ang ganyang setup - id say its better to be overpowered than to be underpowered.  its better to be on the overkill side than to have a member of your team killed.  toast::
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« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2010, 02:39:11 am »
dagdag ko lang, pulot na pics nung actual guns used by Ivler





Rockriver Arms M4 rifle, 3x Maginfier, Eotech RD sights.  tapos parehas may suppressors.  umamin na yung dapat umamin, binentahan mo ng "can" si Jason ano?  he he he,  toast::
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« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2010, 04:42:07 am »
may sayad talaga nanay nitong si jason - sabihin ba naman nung tinanong siya bkt sumisigaw si jason ng "shoot me!  shoot me! sa mga nbi ay yun daw ang gusto ni jason, ang mamatay na siya.  kasi daw naniniwala daw si jason na ang kamatayan daw niya (jason) ay lalong magpapalakas sa nanay niya!  WTF!!!
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« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2010, 06:01:58 am »
high power ang mga guns ni ivler. no wonder he's from the US army.

ewan ko ha pero para sakin dapat eh hindi na binibigyan ng bail si ivler at pati yung nanay nyang kunsintidora. pabigat amp.
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