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Espiya Newstand (Current Events, Classifieds, Events) => Current Discussions => Military and Defense => : dyeeLoo March 02, 2009, 10:00:15 PM
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Guys napulot ko lang po ito, sa Multiply pano kung ganito ang Pinas? anu sa palagay nyo? all comments are welcome!
Who needs our armed forces? Gayahin natin ang Costa Rica, walang armed forces kaya walang karahasan!
ABOLISH THE MILITARY!!! PEACE FOR ALL!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed_forces
List 1: Countries with absolutely no military forces.
Andorra - Defense of the country is the responsibility of France and Spain. Similar treaties were made with both nations on June 3, 1993.
Costa Rica - Costa Rica was the very first country to formally abolish military forces. The constitution has forbidden a standing military since 1949. Seat of the Inter-American Court of Human Rights and the United Nations' University for Peace.
Dominica - Has not had a standing army since 1981 due to an attempted army coup. Defense is the responsibility of the Regional Security System.
Grenada - Has not had a standing army since 1983 due to an American-led invasion. Defense is the responsibility of the Regional Security System.
Haiti - Haiti's military disbanded in June 1995, but rebels have demanded its re-establishment. The 9,000 strong Haitian National Police maintains some paramilitary units; these units are considered to be larger than what is required, considering the much smaller militaries of some neighboring countries.
Kiribati - The only forces permitted are the police and the coast guard. Defense assistance is provided by Australia and New Zealand.
Liechtenstein - Abolished their army in 1868 because it was deemed too costly. Army is only permitted in times of war, but this situation has never occurred. According to the CIA World Factbook, defense is the responsibility of Switzerland. However, official sources of both Switzerland and Liechtenstein do not provide any backing to this claim and no defense treaty is ever mentioned.
Marshall Islands - Defense is the responsibility of the United States.
Mauritius - Has had a paramilitary police force and coast guard since 1968.
Federated States of Micronesia - Defense is the responsibility of the United States. Maintains a small paramilitary police force.
Nauru - Australia is responsible for Nauru's defence under an informal agreement between the two countries.
Palau - Defense is the responsibility of the United States.
Saint Lucia - A special service unit is maintained for internal purposes. Defense is the responsibility of Regional Security System.
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines - A special service unit is maintained for internal purposes. Defense is the responsibility of Regional Security System.
Samoa - Does not have a standing army. New Zealand can be called upon for military aid per a 1962 agreement.
Solomon Islands - Had a heavy ethnic conflict between 1998 and 2006, in which Australia, New Zealand and other Pacific countries intervened to restore peace and order. Has no standing army.
Tuvalu - Has no army, but its police force includes a Maritime Surveillance Unit.
Vatican City - Maintains a Gendarmerie Corps for internal policing. The Swiss Guard is a unit belonging to the Holy See, not the Vatican City State. There is no defense treaty with Italy, as it would violate the Vatican's neutrality. The Palatine Guard and Noble Guard were abolished in 1970.
List 2: Countries with no standing army, but having limited military forces.
Iceland - Has not had a standing army since 1869, but is a member of NATO. There was a defense agreement with the United States, which maintained an Iceland Defense Force and a military base in the country from 1951 to September 2006. Even though Iceland does not have a standing army, it still maintains a military expeditionary peacekeeping force, an air defense system, an extensive militarised coast guard, a police service, and a tactical police force.
Monaco - Renounced its general military investment in the 17th century because the advancement in artillery technology had rendered it defenseless, but still self-identifies as having limited military forces. Defense is the responsibility of France, but two small military units are maintained; one primarily protects the Prince and judiciary, while the other is responsible for civil defence and fire fighting. Both units are trained and equipped with small arms.
Panama - Abolished their army in 1990, which was confirmed by a parliamentary unanimous vote for constitutional change in 1994. The Panamanian Public Forces, including the National Police and Army, National Maritime Service, National Air Service, and Institutional Security Service, have some warfare capabilities.
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Non sense!
Who's to stop NPA, ASG, and MILF from rampaging all over the country w/o the AFP?
Eh yang mga bansa na binanggit nya eh wala namang malalaking highly organized na enemies of the state!
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ibig sabihin ipaubaya n lng mga problema ng pinas sa Ibang bansa
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Not all of those countries have defense treaties w/ other countries.
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Waaaa! ano ka ba!? e ang liliit ng mga bansang yun tapos gagayahin natin yun!?
remember that philippines is the only christian country in Asia.
imagine kung tanggalin ang army, e di sinugod tau ng mga teroristang muslim!?
Army is our main force multiplier. this keeps insurgents back to the mountains.
remove the Army, just erase the philippines in the world map!
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To be fair with the poster, to hope for peace without resorting to armed conflict or even armed preparation is very noble. Hindi nga lang practical.
Sa Constitution natin, it is stated that the State shall not use war as a national policy, para lamang sa defense ng bansa laban sa mga threat sa ating soberenya/sovereignty. Hanggang ngayon marami pang unresolved issues sa ating soberenya, tulad ng Spratly Islands, Sabah, at mga Muslim separatists.
Kailangan natin ang mga sundalo.
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Just want to make things clear.
I am not the original poster of this thread, napadaan lang po ako sa MULTIPLY and then pinulot ko para mapag-usapan natin dito. Kasi dito sa ating bahay ang mga tao ay intelectual. haha..
Saka gusto ko talaga malaman kung pano mag-react ang mga pinoy, kasi ako, againts din ako sa panukala na yan.
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I think hindi ito applicable..
very impossible..
papapaano na lang kung lusubin tau nang ibang bansa d ba?
ano gagagwin natin? tutunganga..
smoking:: smoking:: smoking::
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I think hindi ito applicable..
very impossible..
papapaano na lang kung lusubin tau nang ibang bansa d ba?
ano gagagwin natin? tutunganga..
smoking:: smoking:: smoking::
Cry for help kay Obama and beg for mercy to the instigators. :D
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Cry for help kay Obama and beg for mercy to the instigators. :D
haha..nice joke bro..
but kidding aside..
hindi talaga applicable to...
sayang na lang ipinaglaban nang mga national heroes natin..
kung aasa lang tau sa iba para ipagtanggol ang nation natin..
smoking:: smoking::
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kung aasa tayo sa USA, walang mangyayari sa atin .... Dont know but we are naive to think the americans will help us without thinking what benifits they can get from the phil.
the americans are businessmen they look for gains/profits before investing in something .... we should try to stand on our own
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So I guess almost everybody here prefers the Philippines has a standing army. The paradox here is majority ng Pinoy eh galit yata sa military natin sa Pinas dahil sa mga human rights abuses nila at partisipasyon nito sa pulitika. While the Constitution say that the military or the army is the protector of the people, I doubt if ever there are plenty of Filipinos who think so.
If such is the case, then, tinatawagan ko ang military na tulungan na tayo at iligtas ang bayan sa mga nangungurakot, sa mga drug lords, sa mga tiwaling pulitiko, sa mga nag delay ng hustisya sa Dept of Justice at Ombudsman.
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may military ba tayo? asan? e ang tagal na ng NPA hindi pa nila maubos ubos, pati yang abu sayaf na yan.
kasagwat lang nila ang mga yan e....
pag sinugod tayo ng china o ng kahit sinong bansa panigurado wala naman tayong laban.
virtual military lang ang meron tayo at kampante lang tayo kasi ka alyado natin ang US.
peace po mga kaespiya :)
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If such is the case, then, tinatawagan ko ang military na tulungan na tayo at iligtas ang bayan sa mga nangungurakot, sa mga drug lords, sa mga tiwaling pulitiko, sa mga nag delay ng hustisya sa Dept of Justice at Ombudsman.
Neg!
Better keep the military out of politics. Ganyan din ang view nila Trillanes.. To put an end to corruption and all that. Ang corruption ay responsibilidad ng taong bayan. Who elected those corrupt "daw" na politicos anyway?
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may military ba tayo? asan? e ang tagal na ng NPA hindi pa nila maubos ubos, pati yang abu sayaf na yan.
kasagwat lang nila ang mga yan e....
Kung tutuusin mas onti nalang ang NPA at Abu Sayyaf ngayon... Sa tingin niyo? Ano mas mahirap talunin, ang isang army na nasa 5,000 ka-tao na nakikipag sabayan sa conventional warfare laban sa militar o ang iilang daang bandido na nakikihalo sa taong bayan at nagtatago din sa malalawak na kagubatan? Hindi ganuon kadali na maghanap ng taong nagtatago sa gubat. Ang mga amerikano nga napilitang umalis sa Vietnam nuong may giyera dun eh.
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why would we copy the style of Costa Rica my goodness.... of all the country in the world
it only shows how dependent they are where is the sovereignty of Pinas if we are going to copy cat...and for all the country there is Costa Rica pa.. Yeeoow!
that policy is only applicable sa internal conflicts.. eh kung babanatan tayu kunyari ng Thailand anung gagawin natin duduraan dahil wala tayung baril... ???
kung aagawin ng China yung Spratly's Island anung itataboy natin sa kanila bayabas? ???
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Isa lang ang napansin ko sa nations na inexample dito... Maliliit na bansa ang mga yan at mukhang maliit din ang kanilang mga populations...
Kung tutuusin.. yung mga nations na nabanggit ay ilang libo lang ata ang populations nila samantalang ang mga potential enemies nila ay may armies na umaabot ng ilang daang libo ang manpower. So aanuhin pa nila ang isang army kung kasing laki lang naman ng isang battalion ang kaya nilang i produce? Samantalang ang mga mananakop mas hitech na nga daan daang libo pa ang kayang ibato? Ibig sabihin lang nito... tutal wala naman insurgency sa mga bansa na yan di na talaga nila kailangan ang isang army. Dahil wala rin naman magagawa ang isang armed forces para pigilan ang isang potential na kalaban due to limited manpower.
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^^^
Unlike the very small country of singapore which has a 5 million population afaik. W/ a 72,000 manpower on their armed forces. Hi tech pa armies nila.
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Waaaa! ano ka ba!? e ang liliit ng mga bansang yun tapos gagayahin natin yun!?
remember that philippines is the only christian country in Asia.
imagine kung tanggalin ang army, e di sinugod tau ng mga teroristang muslim!?
Army is our main force multiplier. this keeps insurgents back to the mountains.
remove the Army, just erase the philippines in the world map!
fyi dalawa na ang christian country sa asia, ang east timor.
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hay nako pilipinas.. masyado kang namuhay ng payapa.. umasa sa ibang bansa.. nakalimutan mo ng lumaban..
we need our arm forces.. sabi nga sa "The Prince" wag tayo umasa sa mga mercenaries dahil hindi naman nila lupang sinilangan ito.. wala dito pamilya nila.. unless with an advantage or exchange profit they wont die for this God forsaken country.. hindi rin dapat tayo umasa sa democratic policy.. dahil hindi naman lahat ng bansa democratic.. or naniniwala sa demoratic ways dahil kaya nila balewalain ito kapag naka kita sila ng profit or advantage by use of force..
kung gusto mo maging leader ng isang bansa.. para sa bansa at hindi para sayo.. dapat handa ka mapunta sa impyerno dahil dapat handa ka pumatay ng mga tao para sa ikaliligtas ng estado.. that includes your own people and foreigners..
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Cry for help kay Obama and beg for mercy to the instigators. :D
hahahaha laffman::
pero kahit may military tayo mukhang ganito pa rin gagawin natin eh ;D
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may military ba tayo? asan? e ang tagal na ng NPA hindi pa nila maubos ubos, pati yang abu sayaf na yan.
kasagwat lang nila ang mga yan e....
The Philippine government doesn't want the so called terrorist groups listed by the US government to vanished as they will lost the anti-terrorist fund given to all countries with terrorist groups in their territory.
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To the author/publisher of that blog:
Try mong tumira sa condo na walang guard.
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just finished playing metal gear solid peace walker, wherein Costa Rica is the settings, kung saan wala silang armed forces, and they are the target of this nuclear detterence. clearly wala silang kalaban laban against USSR and the America. although fiction itong MGS PW, marami parin akong narealize kung wala tayong sundalo,. kung sa metal gear anjan ang MSF at si Snake, walang rambo at superhero na pwedeng magtanggol sa Pilipinas once na tinanggal ang mga sundalo.
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Neg!
Better keep the military out of politics. Ganyan din ang view nila Trillanes.. To put an end to corruption and all that. Ang corruption ay responsibilidad ng taong bayan. Who elected those corrupt "daw" na politicos anyway?
hahahaha :applause :applause Trillanes is a perfect example of a "new breed of leaders" --follow what i say but don't do what i do! ::lmao ::lmao
against sya sa mga pulitiko at gusto nyang paghiwalayin ang militar at pulitiko pero saan at ano sya ngayon?
lumabasa din ang kulay nya....nilamon din sya ng sistema...ang dating kinamumuhian nya ay sya nang kinikilingan...bravo!!
well done senator!
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wag kayo mag alala...pagnaging full blown war ang pinas with china, if we have exhausted our armed forces, each and everyone will have their share....kung mapera kayo, kumuha na kayo ng passport at maghandang lumikas sa ibang bansa dahil siguradong kawawa tayo sa gyera...
pagwala kayo pera, mamumundok tayo at doon magtatago hanggang matapos ang gyera...
sa mga duwag, wag tayo mag alala, tiyak kakailanganin ng china ng alila kaya dapat ready tayo magpaalila...
therefore, in a way, we need our armed forces...si gen. Ligot malamang nasa america na ahahahaha...dami nya bahay dun eh laffman:: laffman::
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talagang hindi makakaahon ang pinas sa kahirapan kung ganyan............... ::pampam