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Espiya Newstand (Current Events, Classifieds, Events) => Current Discussions => Politics => : ichiru_69 September 09, 2007, 02:54:26 AM
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comin from a catholic country mali ang abortion pero bakit ang ibang bansa legal sa knila ito?? ano ba ang mali sa paggawa nito?? at bakit ito nagiging sobrang big deal?? my tamang proseso ba paggawa nito???
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Kapatid, sa ken e depende sa sitwasyon. Kung nagahasa yung babae at nagbunga yung ginawa sa kanya. Masyadong masakit siguro doon sa babae na ituloy yung pagbuntis nya. Parang paalala na lang palagi sa kanya yung nangyari pag nakikita nya yung naging bunga. Ngayon naman kung ginusto pareho ng LALAKE AT BABAE yung nangyari at nagbunga eh ibang usapan na yan.
Kung baga eh gusto mo magpasarap, be responsible, kung ayaw nyo pang maging tatay at nanay, pag aralan nyo yung mga contraceptives na pwedeng gamitin. Di ko sasabihin na don't have sexual intercourse kasi gagawin at gagawin natin yan eh di ba (tsaka pagkahipokrito na lang yon kung sabihin ko). Just be responsible na lng.
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i dont know..pero medyo pabor ako..
medyo mahirap ang buhay ngayon..kung 1 month pa lang dugo palang yan pwede pa madaan sa pampamens pero kung 6months o malaki na tyan mo..maawa ka!
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no way man! thats final... Life is life.....
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oo nga't masama ang pumatay ng tao. hindi pagiging makatao kung gnwa man ito o ggwin pa lamang ng isang tao. pero para sakin, pabor ako sa abortion.
masyado ng maraming tao sa bansa natin. ni hindi na nga kayang sustentuhan ng pamahalaan ang bawat pangangailangan ng mga tao sa bansa nito. ang laging tanung na dapat nating icpin ay kung ano ang solusyon dito.
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tol 4 mos below kasi, d pa considered na tao ung fetus. considered as tissue pa lng.
5 mos, viable na sya. tao na un dude.
abortion is legal kung may threat sa life ng mother. syempre, imbes na give up mo ung life ng mother, ung baby na lang para makagawa pa ung mother ng kapalit.
kung wla namang dahilan kung bat kelangan sya magpaabort, mali na un.
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comin from a catholic country mali ang abortion pero bakit ang ibang bansa legal sa knila ito?? ano ba ang mali sa paggawa nito?? at bakit ito nagiging sobrang big deal?? my tamang proseso ba paggawa nito???
ANO ANG MALI SA ABORTION?
ANO BA ANG MALI PAGPUMATAY KA NG TAO?
SA TINGIN KO PAREHO LANG ANG SAGOT DYAN!
kung tama ang paggawa ng abortion dapat tama na rin lang pumatay ng tao at your most convenient time and place without having to answer this crime in the court of law or in the divine court if i may say so....
but mind you there are instances wherein abortion is allowed, one is that if it puts the life of the mother in grave danger(ang alam ko allowed yun) another one is ... ectopic pregnancy(tama ba spelling ko hehehe)
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comin from a catholic country mali ang abortion pero bakit ang ibang bansa legal sa knila ito?? ano ba ang mali sa paggawa nito?? at bakit ito nagiging sobrang big deal?? my tamang proseso ba paggawa nito???
ANO ANG MALI SA ABORTION?
ANO BA ANG MALI PAGPUMATAY KA NG TAO?
SA TINGIN KO PAREHO LANG ANG SAGOT DYAN!
kung tama ang paggawa ng abortion dapat tama na rin lang pumatay ng tao at your most convenient time and place without having to answer this crime in the court of law or in the divine court if i may say so....
but mind you there are instances wherein abortion is allowed, one is that if it puts the life of the mother in grave danger(ang alam ko allowed yun) another one is ... ectopic pregnancy(tama ba spelling ko hehehe)
tama spelling mo bossing, pag kasi ectopic pregnancy, konti lang chances ng baby.
so better terminate it at the early stages ng fetal dev't.
and it might put the mother in grave danger. kaya in this case, allowed ang abortion.
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comin from a catholic country mali ang abortion pero bakit ang ibang bansa legal sa knila ito?? ano ba ang mali sa paggawa nito?? at bakit ito nagiging sobrang big deal?? my tamang proseso ba paggawa nito???
ANO ANG MALI SA ABORTION?
ANO BA ANG MALI PAGPUMATAY KA NG TAO?
SA TINGIN KO PAREHO LANG ANG SAGOT DYAN!
kung tama ang paggawa ng abortion dapat tama na rin lang pumatay ng tao at your most convenient time and place without having to answer this crime in the court of law or in the divine court if i may say so....
but mind you there are instances wherein abortion is allowed, one is that if it puts the life of the mother in grave danger(ang alam ko allowed yun) another one is ... ectopic pregnancy(tama ba spelling ko hehehe)
tama spelling mo bossing, pag kasi ectopic pregnancy, konti lang chances ng baby.
so better terminate it at the early stages ng fetal dev't.
and it might put the mother in grave danger. kaya in this case, allowed ang abortion.
icic.. pero kung tissue pa lang un indi pa considered na may life?? ok lang ba un?? pwede ba manyari sa isang situation ang pinaka responsableng gawin ay mag pa abort maliban sa ectopic pregnancy.. kc kunyari kung ung dalawang tao d pa kayang buhayin sarili nila pano sila bubuhay ng isa pa.. at indi pa ganung ka responsible sila.. indi kawawa naman ang bata nun not just physically but emotionally..
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I say no to ilegit abortion
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hindi.....pg tumusok ka panindigan mo............
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Tutol ako dyan.....
No to abortion...........
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No ako sa hindi legit na abortion, I mean yung mga magpapa-abort dahil di pa sila "ready". Kung populasyon naman ang problema... family planning dapat dito... and abortion should not be part of it... ang lagay eh puro sarap lang at ayaw ng hirap? Sex comes with responsibility...
Having a baby is a blessing and not all are blessed to have kids... and it is life kahit anung age pa... isipin mo na lang kung ikaw yung "baby" na yun di ba...
Of course yung sa case in relation to medical (pregancy) problems, it should be valid...
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kung mag pa abort man san mas tama sa clinic o ung mga pills na iniinom???
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nd po abortion ang sagot sa kahirapan hindi porket d n msuportahan ng gobyerno ang lahatng Pilipino e tamang sabihin lng n mg bawas ng tao... basta hindi ako approve jan sa abortion kaya nga me condom eh...hehehehe toast::
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totoo namang may mga cirumstances na kailngan nga ng abortion like if the mother is is danger or something like that...... but for me i say NO...... kahit pa siguro tissue p lang yan eh buhay p din yan..... pero opinion ko lang un ha.... ::)
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No to abortion. Nasarapan ka naman dun sa ginawa nyo eh. Panagutan nyo ung consequences. Anyhoo, the law allows abortion in exceptional cases i.e. when the mother's life is in danger. So there.. toast::
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No to abortion. Nasarapan ka naman dun sa ginawa nyo eh. Panagutan nyo ung consequences. Anyhoo, the law allows abortion in exceptional cases i.e. when the mother's life is in danger. So there.. toast::
eh bro kung di mo pa kaya bumuhay no gagawin mo?? sa panhon din ngaun mhirap magkatrabaho.. sapat lang kita.. pano un?? eh kung 1-3 months pa lang cell pa lang un.. la pa talaga buhay..
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No to abortion. Nasarapan ka naman dun sa ginawa nyo eh. Panagutan nyo ung consequences. Anyhoo, the law allows abortion in exceptional cases i.e. when the mother's life is in danger. So there.. toast::
eh bro kung di mo pa kaya bumuhay no gagawin mo?? sa panhon din ngaun mhirap magkatrabaho.. sapat lang kita.. pano un?? eh kung 1-3 months pa lang cell pa lang un.. la pa talaga buhay..
The excuse "hindi ko pa kaya bumuhay ng bata" is downright lame. If you thought of that before doing the deed, maybe you wouldn't be facing the said consequences. Well, kung hindi mo talaga kaya bumuhay, do something i.e. use contraceptives or don't do it. Period.
However, kung nandyan na ung bata, there are other ways of relinquishing your parental authority i.e. adoption services. But personally, I'd think lowly of these kinds of people because they weren't responsible enough to face the consequences of their actions.
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very much approve ako jan!!
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No to abortion. Nasarapan ka naman dun sa ginawa nyo eh. Panagutan nyo ung consequences. Anyhoo, the law allows abortion in exceptional cases i.e. when the mother's life is in danger. So there.. toast::
eh bro kung di mo pa kaya bumuhay no gagawin mo?? sa panhon din ngaun mhirap magkatrabaho.. sapat lang kita.. pano un?? eh kung 1-3 months pa lang cell pa lang un.. la pa talaga buhay..
The excuse "hindi ko pa kaya bumuhay ng bata" is downright lame. If you thought of that before doing the deed, maybe you wouldn't be facing the said consequences. Well, kung hindi mo talaga kaya bumuhay, do something i.e. use contraceptives or don't do it. Period.
However, kung nandyan na ung bata, there are other ways of relinquishing your parental authority i.e. adoption services. But personally, I'd think lowly of these kinds of people because they weren't responsible enough to face the consequences of their actions.
but if its wrong bro bkit madaming tao gumgawa nito.. den khit sa ibang bansa legal sya gawin.. indi ba nasa pagiisip at culture na kinalakihan bro.. ako di rin approve jan kaso tataka lang ako bat sa iba ok gusto ko lang malaamn opinion ng ibang spies.. psrulez::
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I don't really know how people come up with the idea that if its being done by a great number of people it is therefore acceptable. Taking away life is never right and please don't argue that science can disprove or consider that it's alive, you know all of us know that there's life. Don't fool your self.
Sorry I just can't errr....
So if my neighbor killed my dog and my cousin killed their neighbor's dog, and a man that I don't know killed a dog therefore it's correct to kill dogs?
If you can't understand that, I concede.
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Ditto with 123kid123. Just because many people are doing it, that doesn't mean that it's alright to do it. There is legal basis on why you should not do abortions. Number one, the civil part. Here's the whole of Book One, Chapter Two of the New Civil Code pertaining to natural persons:
CHAPTER 2
NATURAL PERSONS
Art. 40. Birth determines personality; but the conceived child shall be considered born for all purposes that are favorable to it, provided it be born later with the conditions specified in the following article. (29a)
Art. 41. For civil purposes, the fetus is considered born if it is alive at the time it is completely delivered from the mother's womb. However, if the fetus had an intra-uterine life of less than seven months, it is not deemed born if it dies within twenty-four hours after its complete delivery from the maternal womb. (30a)
Art. 42. Civil personality is extinguished by death.
The effect of death upon the rights and obligations of the deceased is determined by law, by contract and by will. (32a)
Art. 43. If there is a doubt, as between two or more persons who are called to succeed each other, as to which of them died first, whoever alleges the death of one prior to the other, shall prove the same; in the absence of proof, it is presumed that they died at the same time and there shall be no transmission of rights from one to the other. (33)
Second, the criminal part. Book Two, Title Eight, Chapter One, Section Two, of the Revised Penal Code, pertaining to infanticide and abortion, is as follows:
Section Two.  Infanticide and abortion.
Art. 255. Infanticide.  The penalty provided for parricide in Article 246 and for murder in Article 248 shall be imposed upon any person who shall kill any child less than three days of age.
If the crime penalized in this article be committed by the mother of the child for the purpose of concealing her dishonor, she shall suffer the penalty of prision correccional in its medium and maximum periods, and if said crime be committed for the same purpose by the maternal grandparents or either of them, the penalty shall be prision mayor.
Art. 256. Intentional abortion.  Any person who shall intentionally cause an abortion shall suffer:
1. The penalty of reclusion temporal, if he shall use any violence upon the person of the pregnant woman.
2. The penalty of prision mayor if, without using violence, he shall act without the consent of the woman.
3. The penalty of prision correccional in its medium and maximum periods, if the woman shall have consented.
Art. 257. Unintentional abortion.  The penalty of prision correccional in its minimum and medium period shall be imposed upon any person who shall cause an abortion by violence, but unintentionally.
Art. 258. Abortion practiced by the woman herself of by her parents.  The penalty of prision correccional in its medium and maximum periods shall be imposed upon a woman who shall practice abortion upon herself or shall consent that any other person should do so.
Any woman who shall commit this offense to conceal her dishonor, shall suffer the penalty of prision correccional in its minimum and medium periods.
If this crime be committed by the parents of the pregnant woman or either of them, and they act with the consent of said woman for the purpose of concealing her dishonor, the offenders shall suffer the penalty of prision correccional in its medium and maximum periods.
Art. 259. Abortion practiced by a physician or midwife and dispensing of abortives.  The penalties provided in Article 256 shall be imposed in its maximum period, respectively, upon any physician or midwife who, taking advantage of their scientific knowledge or skill, shall cause an abortion or assist in causing the same.
Any pharmacist who, without the proper prescription from a physician, shall dispense any abortive shall suffer arresto mayor and a fine not exceeding 1,000 pesos.
From the provisions of the New Civil Code and the Revised Penal Code, it is conclusive that abortion is frowned upon because "the conceived child shall be considered born for all purposes that are favorable to it" (Art. 40, New Civil Code). This means that the child is already considered a living person even if it is still in the womb, therefore, since killing a person, unless justified (i.e. self-defense, to save the mother), is inherently evil (mala in se), then it contravenes the Natural Law which everyone understands. Also, to prevent abortion, our lawmakers even made provisions to criminally punish acts of abortion, which is clearly a crime against persons (Book Two, Title Eight, Chapter One, Section Two, Revised Penal Code).
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@hippo
Ibig sabihin dahil sa legal basis, di ka sangayon sa abortion. Paano kung walang legal basis, walang law para dyan. Edi sangayon ka sa abortion?
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@hippo
Ibig sabihin dahil sa legal basis, di ka sangayon sa abortion. Paano kung walang legal basis, walang law para dyan. Edi sangayon ka sa abortion?
Hindi pa rin. Natural Law, which is inherent in everyone, says that destruction of life is evil.
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It's the one reason above all reasons. It's the reason why we kill animals, why we destroy nature.
Survival.
Survival of our race.
Survival of the human race.
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it's a big big NO!!!
meron namang ibang paraan para hindi mabuntis...
like contraceptives... lygation.. or vasectomy...
pag-ma-approve na kasi 'yon, mas dadami pa ang case ng abortion...
at isa pa, kawawa 'yong baby.. malay mo maging swerte pa 'yon sayo..
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abortion varies by state. dito sa US, hindi lahat ng state in favor sa basta-bastang pinapayagan ang abortion. usually, pinapayagan lang kung yung pagbubuntis ay resulta ng rape, or kung magkakaron ng complication yung pagbubuntis at magiging life threatening both sa bata or sa nanay na nagdadala ng bata.
sa ibang bansa naman, legalities siguro by word pero cguro cyempre iba-iba ang interpretasyon ng tao kaya sa iba lumalabas na legal or illegal. sa pinas naman, lahat illegal kasi by culture sinusunod.
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YES to abortion. Lalo na kung wala kang ipapakain sa magiging anak mo. Paayaw-ayaw pa kunwari sa abortion, pero pag wala nang maipakain sa anak eh, either ibebenta o papasukin as prostitute. Napak-double standard nating mga Pinoy talaga.
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Artificial Birth Control pa nga lang, tutol na simbahan natin, what more pa kaya abortion? On regular cases, di mo talaga majjustify ang abortion eh. Baka maging tianak pa yun hehe
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i say...no abortion...pero marami pa rin gumagawa kahit na bawal.
tandaan sa abortion dalawang buhay ang nakasalalay ang ...ina( babae) at yung dinadala sangol.
minsan may nagkakamali dyan ...parehong patay....
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no to abortion. pero sana magkaroon na lng ng one child policy sa pinas even though gusto ko talaga magkaroon ng 5 anak. haha! naawa ako sa mga bata na namamalimos sa kanto. nakakainis mga magulang nila.
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Oo! kung, ang babaeng magbubuntis ay di kayang manganak dahil sa sakit sa pisikal na maari niyang ikamatay sa panganganak.
Hindi! Kung normal naman siya at maaari niya itong ipanganak ng maauz at bakit naman i-abort? gun::
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being a christian , of course i am against abortiuon. being a human who seen sufferings of parents who can not feed their child, i am for it.
but to come to the sense that abortion is stll an act of killing someone and still being consider as an act of taking away the rights to live,1 i am definitly againts it.
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YES to abortion. Lalo na kung wala kang ipapakain sa magiging anak mo. Paayaw-ayaw pa kunwari sa abortion, pero pag wala nang maipakain sa anak eh, either ibebenta o papasukin as prostitute. Napak-double standard nating mga Pinoy talaga.
Kung wala kang ipapakain sa binuo mo, sana naisip mo man lang na i-withdraw ung etits mo nung bumibira ka or sana man lang naisipan mo gumamit ng condom. Ganun kadali yun. Kung hindi kaya suportahan ang anak, nandyan ang social services para alagaan ang anak mo. Ipaampon mo kung hindi kaya. Kaya nga may Adoption laws dito sa Pilipinas eh, para mabigyan ng matinong pagkakataon sa buhay ang mga batang hindi kaya sustentuhan ng biolohikal na magulang nila.
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Kapatid, sa ken e depende sa sitwasyon. Kung nagahasa yung babae at nagbunga yung ginawa sa kanya. Masyadong masakit siguro doon sa babae na ituloy yung pagbuntis nya. Parang paalala na lang palagi sa kanya yung nangyari pag nakikita nya yung naging bunga. Ngayon naman kung ginusto pareho ng LALAKE AT BABAE yung nangyari at nagbunga eh ibang usapan na yan.
Kung baga eh gusto mo magpasarap, be responsible, kung ayaw nyo pang maging tatay at nanay, pag aralan nyo yung mga contraceptives na pwedeng gamitin. Di ko sasabihin na don't have sexual intercourse kasi gagawin at gagawin natin yan eh di ba (tsaka pagkahipokrito na lang yon kung sabihin ko). Just be responsible na lng.
agre ako dito
yung sa first situation,, mahirap ng naman i tuloy yun. kaya kailangan ng mga special provision to alow this.
pero kung mga aksidente lng dahil nagpapasasa kayo ng BF mo or kahit sino pa di dapat pwede yan kc di maitatama ng mali ng isa pang mali
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Kapatid, sa ken e depende sa sitwasyon. Kung nagahasa yung babae at nagbunga yung ginawa sa kanya. Masyadong masakit siguro doon sa babae na ituloy yung pagbuntis nya. Parang paalala na lang palagi sa kanya yung nangyari pag nakikita nya yung naging bunga. Ngayon naman kung ginusto pareho ng LALAKE AT BABAE yung nangyari at nagbunga eh ibang usapan na yan.
Kung baga eh gusto mo magpasarap, be responsible, kung ayaw nyo pang maging tatay at nanay, pag aralan nyo yung mga contraceptives na pwedeng gamitin. Di ko sasabihin na don't have sexual intercourse kasi gagawin at gagawin natin yan eh di ba (tsaka pagkahipokrito na lang yon kung sabihin ko). Just be responsible na lng.
agre ako dito
yung sa first situation,, mahirap ng naman i tuloy yun. kaya kailangan ng mga special provision to alow this.
pero kung mga aksidente lng dahil nagpapasasa kayo ng BF mo or kahit sino pa di dapat pwede yan kc di maitatama ng mali ng isa pang mali
Allowed ang pag-scrape ng uterus kung rape victim ka. Bale ang gagawin i-scrape off ung uterine lining para matanggal yung fertilized egg na nag-attach dun dahil sa rape. That way, hindi mabubuo ung bata. Pero ang pag-scrape ng uterine lining must be done asap. Pag nag-develop na yang bata sa loob, wala na.
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Generally hindi
pero for saving lives oo