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: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: kingkazz July 16, 2016, 04:11:05 AM
Hello po mga ka Espiya. Tanong lang po ang opinyon ninyo tungkol sa anti drug campaign ng kasalukuyang admin at sa mga sinasabi ng iba na walang habas na pag labag sa due process. Salamat po
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: tigerwing July 16, 2016, 07:13:27 AM
Kung talagang adik/pusher eh I have no problem kahit patayin nila ng patayin. Kaso hindi natin masabi. Baka meron dyan na napagkamalan lang or worst sadyang pinatay at pinalabas nalang na pusher/adik.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: SpyTamers July 16, 2016, 08:39:10 AM
Due process? sa court lang hinihinigi yon..... pag salot sa lipunan di na aabot sa court yan... :D
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: kingkazz July 16, 2016, 09:50:52 AM
Kung talagang adik/pusher eh I have no problem kahit patayin nila ng patayin. Kaso hindi natin masabi. Baka meron dyan na napagkamalan lang or worst sadyang pinatay at pinalabas nalang na pusher/adik.

this also bothers me sir. what bothers me more is a large portion of our population praises such acts
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: clark.kent July 16, 2016, 10:06:15 AM
as of now, we can only speculate. it could be anything. maaaring pinatay din ng mga kapwa nila pusher o mga supplier nila para hnd sila ikanta. hindi natin mkkuha ang due process kahit anong gawin natin kung hindi aabot sa korte. korte lang ang mkpagbibigay nito. human rights? well, pag naiisip ko at naalala ung mga headline sa balita noon na mga patayan, kidnap, holdap with murder, tapos rape sa mga bata, etc, mas naaawa ako sa mga inosenteng mga kabataan natin o mamamayan na walang laban sa mga ganitong kasamaan.

anyway, we can't conclude na pulis nga ang may gawa ng mga yan. until then, it's only speculation. mas mainam, lagyan ng mga bodycam o helmet-cam with built in audio para bawat operation talaga e makikita kung tlgang nanlaban nga o hindi gaya ng mga pulis sa amerika. di mo din nman masisi ang pulis kng nanlaban nga. alangan nmang hayaan mong tamaan ka muna nung suspek bago ka pumutok. what we have is a dilemma. basta right now, i support this campaign as long as its within the confines of the law. if it is indeed an execution, well, ung mga nagaakusa ang dapat magpatunay na pinatahimik nga talaga yung tao. hangga't wala silang nkikitang ebidensya na pulis nga ang dumale sa mga ito, wala taung magagawa kundi magabang nlang.

: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: naruto789544 July 16, 2016, 10:42:59 AM
i have mixed feelings with this campaign... though i am with the sanctity of life, i cannot ignore the fact that this people have given hell to many people... and for now, i am for the campaign in order to rid the country of this drug menace...
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: dweizz July 16, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
kung hinihingi nyo due process para sa mga kriminal, ang pulis ay humihingi rin ng due process...
kung may ebidensiya kayo against summary execution, magreklamo sa korte...
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: kobeyaki July 16, 2016, 11:46:10 AM
Pag mahirap ka at pilipino walang due process pero pag mayaman ka at foreigner meron, makakaharap mo pa presidente. Di ba peter lim?
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: kingkazz July 16, 2016, 11:47:43 AM
kung hinihingi nyo due process para sa mga kriminal, ang pulis ay humihingi rin ng due process...
kung may ebidensiya kayo against summary execution, magreklamo sa korte...
How can that be if the victim/witness is already dead?
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: tigerwing July 16, 2016, 11:50:58 AM
kung hinihingi nyo due process para sa mga kriminal, ang pulis ay humihingi rin ng due process...
kung may ebidensiya kayo against summary execution, magreklamo sa korte...

Hindi ba pwedeng humingi din ng ebidensya na lumaban nga talaga or nang agaw ng baril? Or kahit man lang proof na talagang pusher/adik/criminal nga yung napatay?

Again, no problem kung talagang kriminal nga na lumaban kaya napatay. Pero nakakasiguro ka ba 100% na walang inosente? Na walang naging biktima lang? Kung may isa lang na pinatay dyan dahil miss identified o kaya na frame-up or naging fall-guy pano? Collateral damage nalang ganun ba?

Body cameras would be nice. Hindi naman siguro ganun kamahal yun para hindi ma afford ng gobyerno. 
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: clark.kent July 16, 2016, 02:09:31 PM
in reality kasi, sa normal police operation, pag aarestuhin ka, pagkakita pa lang sayo ng suspect, either itaas mo mga kamay mo o bubunot ka ng baril. sa dami ng napatay na nanlaban, kung tlagang meron mang extrajudicial sa nangyari, it would've been caught on camera. sa sobrang hi tech ngaun ng mundo, pati pagjakol ng manyak sa jeep o kaya away magasawa o rambulan sa kanto, nkkunan ng camera e. meeting nga ni vp leni which is supposed to be a secret meeting e nakunan ng video. if there is any evidence that this deaths are indeed summary executions, lalabas at lalabas ang ebidensya. abang mode lang. sa ngaun ang ebidensya lang na nanlaban ang suspek ay kung may pulis na namatay sa engkwentro. kamakailan lang e may mga sugatan ng pulis na nadale ng adik bago namatay.

meanwhile, kesa maging piyesta pa ang senate o congress inquiry tungkol jan, sana gumawa na lang sila ng batas na nagrrequire sa mga pulis na magsuot ng bodycam pag nkaduty at dashcam sa mga ssakyan. hindi ung puro papogi sa media na nagiimbestiga kuno pero wala nmang kahihinatnan.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: bleep July 16, 2016, 03:43:35 PM
meron na ba napatay na drug lord? napatay na drug protector? sana wag agad ibato sa duterte administration ang nangyayari. puro maliliit na pangalan pa lang yan.

i do believe na may mga pinapatay na si duterte, pero di ako naniwala na duterte lahat ito. mas naniwala ako na ang mga nasa taas ang nag lilinis para di sila maikanta.

itong mga addict, pusher, dealers, pera lang habol nila. wala silang paki alam sa mga buhay na nasisira nila. i would rather see them gone, than see my kids get hooked on drugs. i would rather see them gone, than see my kids get hurt by addicts.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: xmen123 July 17, 2016, 08:47:00 AM
oo nga sa palagay ko rin ang mga nangyayari nitong mga nakaraan eh naging chain of events nalang siguro.. sa katakutan rin ng mga drug lord masterminds na masumbong pa sila eh pinatumba narin nila mismo ika nga ang kanilang mga sari sariling tao.. para syempre eh hindi na sila maisumbong..
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: jnrd25 July 17, 2016, 09:09:02 AM
Hindi alam ni duterte ang due process dahil bobo sya. Sad to say, mas bobo ang 16m na pilipinong bumoto sa kanya. IMHO.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: clark.kent July 17, 2016, 09:53:05 AM
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: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: raginghormones July 17, 2016, 02:00:02 PM
Hindi alam ni duterte ang due process dahil bobo sya. Sad to say, mas bobo ang 16m na pilipinong bumoto sa kanya. IMHO.

WOW. so ang ibig mo bang sabihin e mas matalino ka sa 16M na bumoto kay duterte? obvious naman kasi hindi mo siya binoto kasi sabi mo bobo siya, so ang premise e bobo 16M at si duterte tapos ikaw hindi? :applause
gusto mong sumikat noh boi? :applause  ::lmao  ::lmao  ::lmao ikaw na! katol pa more!! hahahaha
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: Flybirdmenace July 17, 2016, 03:25:14 PM
Yung mga sinasalvage xxxx sintido kumon lang yan. Yung mga dating protektor nyan yung bumibira sa kanila kase ayaw nilang maikanta sila. Konting gamit ng utak libre lang yan. laffman::
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: tiberionx July 17, 2016, 08:21:32 PM
palitan nyo nga ng mukha ni digong to hehehe


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: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: dweizz July 17, 2016, 10:31:11 PM
mahirap makipagtalo sa mga what if... going 3 weeks pa lang si duterte marami na nangyari na dapat noon pa nangyari... yung mga ginagawa niya, i like it... case to case basis dapat yan allegation nyo na summary killings... hindi porket may isang sablay, sablay na lahat... ginagawa kasi ng karamihan either against  or pro duterte... eh hindi naman dapat... case to case basis ang paghusga...
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: naruto789544 July 18, 2016, 10:39:45 AM
i'm for the using of bodycams to ensure the transparency of what happened... for now, the only issue i see with the recent events are the collateral deaths due to the campaign... hope they polish the strategies and implementing rules to avoid this...
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: JiangCai July 18, 2016, 01:36:50 PM

sabi nga ni GWB:  smoking::

'Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions'


: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: burnhito July 19, 2016, 10:16:39 PM
Lets us put it  this way. Hindi lahat na pinatay ay drug pusher, addict, o druglord pwedeng civilian na pinagdiskitahan, na set-up o frame-up lang. Pwede nating sabihin na yung mga pumapatay ay vigilante group, druglord goons, o pulis. The point is, we are not sure about this recent killings.
The only thing we  know is that, it’s effective that pushers, addicts and drug lords are on the run. Who would have thought that this strong campaign against illegal drugs caused commotion among the "untouchable" drug lords and their backers.
The only down-side is the accused person don’t have the ability to prove that she/he is innocent. In an instant “injustice” is being served to a person who truthfully doesn’t engaged or engaging on any illegal drug activites, this had happened, have happened, have been happening, and will happen. It could be fall to me, you or us that are innocent(Oo, tama ang nabasa mo kahit na bangag ka ngayon kinokonsider ko pa rin na hindi ka adik, adik. Kaya bawas-bawas din sapag katol, try mo usok ng pospuro, kandila, gasera, o tambutso).
Pero ang resulta nito ay ang pagbaba o pagkawala ng mga krimen na dahil sa droga. I’m leaning on the lesser evil here. I’m in all support for this campaign against illegal drugs and to any form of illegal activities. I don’t mind spilling the blood of the sinners to protect the innocent. On the other hand, the government should, they REALLY should, ensure that no innocent civilian will suffer the same fate in return. And the president is true with his words, its is bloody, indeed.

P.S.
I’m not a psychopath. Thank you.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: EujinJinir July 20, 2016, 09:26:13 AM
para sa akin ok lang to. Tama na ung tayong karaniwang pilipino ang laging natatakot mabiktima ng mga hayup na yan.
Mula sa iyong mga mahal sa buhay hanggang sa sarili mo puro takot na lang nararamdaman mo. panahon na para sila naman matakot sa pinaggagawa nila.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: azzkicker July 20, 2016, 08:10:55 PM
regarding this issue of summary killing, para sa akin, epektibo sya, halos 18k na ang sumukong mga drug pushers and users, kahit sa amin, yung mga kilala kong mga tulak at users sumuko na, na ikinagulat ko din, kasi akala ko astigin sila, natakot din pala sila dahil sa nangyayari.

tama naman si presidente, when he's campaigning, sabi nya, he will stop drugs but it will be bloody...which is ganun nga nangyayari pero epektibo kaya all out support ako dito.

sa ngayon, my family and i are feeling safe, nabawasan na yung pakalat-kalat sa amin tuwing gabi, wala nang mga tambay sa kalye.

tama ang sabi ng poster before me na si EujinJinir, panahon na, na sila naman ang matakot at hindi tayong mga mamamayan na tahimik na namumuhay.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: naruto789544 July 21, 2016, 11:41:34 AM
agree... it's high time that we can again feel safe to walk our streets...
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: olli July 29, 2016, 02:24:31 AM
Darating din ang araw na malaya ka nang makakapaglakad sa labas na walang takot. Tulad dito sa davao. Matagal na naming tinatamasa ang katahimikan at kaayusan dito. Our beloved President is giving us all filipinos the Davao life.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: taong_grassa September 29, 2016, 03:34:45 PM
di ko talaga maintindihan kung bakit may mga haters pa rin si Pres. Duterte pero its about time na rin na baguhin ang systema lalo na systeman ng due process.. bigyan ng pagkakataon magbago or kung ayaw pa rin magbago, patayin na lang, di rin naman magkakasya sa loob ng kulungan o rehab kesa dumami pa ang buhay na masisira sa droga...
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: tigerwing September 29, 2016, 06:06:34 PM
di ko talaga maintindihan kung bakit may mga haters pa rin si Pres. Duterte pero its about time na rin na baguhin ang systema lalo na systeman ng due process.. bigyan ng pagkakataon magbago or kung ayaw pa rin magbago, patayin na lang, di rin naman magkakasya sa loob ng kulungan o rehab kesa dumami pa ang buhay na masisira sa droga...


Kung talagang nanlaban then no problem. Thing is, you can kill every single drug user/pusher out there but as long as the root cause of the problem is there, and the reason as to why those people turn to drugs remains, there will always be new users and there will alway be addicts. And as long as there is a demand, there will always be a supply in one way or another. Even if the current administration somehow manage to do the imposible task of eliminating all the supply, those "users" would simply shift to a different substance. Whats next? War on alcohol? War on rugby?

Eliminating the users/pusher is a superficial solution.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: schwack September 30, 2016, 10:42:49 PM
Problem is they can't even take a single scratch on big fishes. I Have a feeling this is a reverse psychology. Kill all the weak, Preserve "some" of the Big Bosses that have the capacity to penetrate your ground, so no Big Bosses will try to penetrate your ground. By letting some enemy of the Big bosses be sacrifice. After the term, You will have flying colors. And then story goes on and on. It Will start all over again.

Example: Let's see if someone from Pampanga will be punished. That will be a different story.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: abdul jahkool October 01, 2016, 12:53:56 AM
Puro mahihirap ang pinapatay, at anti poor ang war on drugs.

Namatay si Jaguar (seen zoned), namatay si Dragon (pakana ng administrasyon). Nacocorner na si Delima (Misogynist, every woman's right).

Mga against: Diktador ka Duterte, Hitler ka.
Noynoy: Tandaan natin kung paano naluklok sa kapangyarihan si Hitler
Duterte: Di naman ako Hitler. Kelan pa bawal sa batas ang takutin ang kriminal?
Mga against: Hitler ka, pinapatay mo mga pilipino.
Duterte: O sige, ako na si Hitler, willing ko patayin mga adik.
Mga against: Anong klaseng presidente, kinukumpara sarili kay Hitler. Sumbong tayo sa Germany.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: bigbanggoo October 01, 2016, 02:41:58 PM
 ::thanksforhelp
di ko talaga maintindihan kung bakit may mga haters pa rin si Pres. Duterte pero its about time na rin na baguhin ang systema lalo na systeman ng due process.. bigyan ng pagkakataon magbago or kung ayaw pa rin magbago, patayin na lang, di rin naman magkakasya sa loob ng kulungan o rehab kesa dumami pa ang buhay na masisira sa droga...

Manood ka kasi nang tv o makinig nang radyo o kaya magbasa nang newspaper. Ang dami dami nang napapatay nang pulis na wala namang mga armas. Yung mga pinapatay na lang kahit sumusuko na tapos isesetup na lang na kunyari nang laban. Alam mo ba yung about dun sa OFW na pinatay nung 3 pulis? Kunyari papalabasin sanang vigilante yung tumira pero kung di pa nakunan nang CCTV di pa mabibisto na mga pulis talaga? At higit sa lahat lahat nung libo libong namatay mga small time lang at karamihan mga user na sumuko na o nagpalista sa BGY kaya nasama yung pangalan nila sa listhan. Pero pano yung mga bigtime? Yung mga bigtime may dues process kasi may mga pera.

Puro mahihirap ang pinapatay, at anti poor ang war on drugs.

Namatay si Jaguar (seen zoned), namatay si Dragon (pakana ng administrasyon). Nacocorner na si Delima (Misogynist, every woman's right).

Mga against: Diktador ka Duterte, Hitler ka.
Noynoy: Tandaan natin kung paano naluklok sa kapangyarihan si Hitler
Duterte: Di naman ako Hitler. Kelan pa bawal sa batas ang takutin ang kriminal?
Mga against: Hitler ka, pinapatay mo mga pilipino.
Duterte: O sige, ako na si Hitler, willing ko patayin mga adik.
Mga against: Anong klaseng presidente, kinukumpara sarili kay Hitler. Sumbong tayo sa Germany.

Explain ko sayo nang simple. Galit ang international community dahil sa paralellism. Kasi nung kinumpara ni Duterte yung pagpatay nya sa mga drug adict sa holocaust e para na rin nyang sinabing justified o may magandang naidulot yung holocaust. Ano ba kasalanan nung mga Jew dati?


: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: dweizz October 01, 2016, 11:25:39 PM
3000+ killed drug related from police operations and by vigilantes...
600,000 drug users surrendered that are still alive and waiting rehab...
and yet it seem easy for people to believe he will kill all drug users...
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: abdul jahkool October 02, 2016, 03:29:08 AM
Explain ko sayo nang simple. Galit ang international community dahil sa paralellism. Kasi nung kinumpara ni Duterte yung pagpatay nya sa mga drug adict sa holocaust e para na rin nyang sinabing justified o may magandang naidulot yung holocaust. Ano ba kasalanan nung mga Jew dati?

Explain ko sayo ng mas simple, nung si Noynoy ang nagcocompare ng holocaust sa pagpatay ng addict bakit walang outcry ang international community? For a simple reason na media sensationalism of Duterte during the campaign will further catapult him to office. Also, did they even bother to listen to the entire speech o sa Soundbytes lang nagrely ng kanilang information?

I believe Duterte should apologize to the Jews by the way, but the global outcry now? nuh!!! File a case on the international court already.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: naruto789544 October 02, 2016, 08:33:07 AM
i think he already did apologize to the jew community regarding his remarks... as always, he should think his words over and over before saying them... that is one area i think he should really change...
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: etong October 02, 2016, 10:05:45 AM

Kung talagang nanlaban then no problem. Thing is, you can kill every single drug user/pusher out there but as long as the root cause of the problem is there, and the reason as to why those people turn to drugs remains, there will always be new users and there will alway be addicts. And as long as there is a demand, there will always be a supply in one way or another. Even if the current administration somehow manage to do the imposible task of eliminating all the supply, those "users" would simply shift to a different substance. Whats next? War on alcohol? War on rugby?

Eliminating the users/pusher is a superficial solution.

Cant link the source pero inexplain na nila Bato how theyll catch the big time drug pushers. Yung mga small time na pusher/adik ang nasa labas, walang big time na pusher ang magririsk na sya mismo ang magbebenta. So paano mo maaabot ang mga higher ups? Dun sa mga nauutusan nila sa baba. Pag wala na sila mauutusan dun sila mahuhuli kasi kelangan nilang bumaba at lumabas para maghanap ng mga bagong magagamit na tao. Logical naman diba? Well atleast for me...

Also sa insuation mo pala sir, walang solution na pala droga ever, since magproproliferate parin kahit mabawasan. Hindi naman ata tama yun. Syempre kahit papano dapat may gawin. And although not the best solution, ang current admin na ata ang may pinaka may nagawa against drugs. Results are there, may negative perception lang lang kasi may mga incidents na may mga inosenteng nadadamay at may mga ejk kuno. (Di naman siguro ganun katanga mga pulis para magiwan ng calling card ie mga karatula na nagsasabing adik ako, sa mga napapatay most likely mga konektado sa mga pusher ang mga gumawa nun kaya pinuputol lang yung link).

Ano po ba suggestion niyo na mas maganda gawin ng admin ngayon to stop drugs? Natanong kona sa lahat ng anti-duterte yan e ang sagot lang lagi, "basta hindi yung pamamaraan ni duterte na laging may namamatay" or "madadaan naman sa walang dahas" or something to that effect both of which not really solutions. 
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: bigbanggoo October 02, 2016, 10:16:27 AM
Explain ko sayo ng mas simple, nung si Noynoy ang nagcocompare ng holocaust sa pagpatay ng addict bakit walang outcry ang international community? For a simple reason na media sensationalism of Duterte during the campaign will further catapult him to office. Also, did they even bother to listen to the entire speech o sa Soundbytes lang nagrely ng kanilang information?

I believe Duterte should apologize to the Jews by the way, but the global outcry now? nuh!!! File a case on the international court already.

Ikaw ata yung nakinig sa soundbytes lang e. Different context yung kay Noynoy and Duterte. Besides kahit pareho pa sila nang ibig sabihin, which is not the case, kaya magnified yung global outrage e dahil namumuro na si Duterte. 3 months na syang nangtratrashtalk so syempre mas pagfiefiestahan sya. Kahit yung mga sensible supporters nga ni Duterte alam na mali din sya and nagsorry na. Yung mga fanatic na lang talaga yung hindi kayang abutin nang sense.


Cant link the source pero inexplain na nila Bato how theyll catch the big time drug pushers. Yung mga small time na pusher/adik ang nasa labas, walang big time na pusher ang magririsk na sya mismo ang magbebenta. So paano mo maaabot ang mga higher ups? Dun sa mga nauutusan nila sa baba. Pag wala na sila mauutusan dun sila mahuhuli kasi kelangan nilang bumaba at lumabas para maghanap ng mga bagong magagamit na tao. Logical naman diba? Well atleast for me...

May sense naman tong strategy na to e. It's actually good. Ang tanong lang, laging nagyayabang yung presidente na may listahan na sya nung mga "druglord' so bakit di nila puntahan yung mga yun at paghuhulihin o pagpapatayin? Dahil sa due process? E bat yung mga grunts na pusher o yung mga tamang adik lang walang due process pero yung mga mataas ang social standing meron. Double standards? Si Peter Lim bakit hindi ikulong, diba nasa watchlist sya? Dahil walang evidence? Due process? Pero yung mga grunts sa watchlist patay agad dahil nasa listahan lang?

: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: etong October 02, 2016, 10:16:51 AM
::thanksforhelp
Manood ka kasi nang tv o makinig nang radyo o kaya magbasa nang newspaper. Ang dami dami nang napapatay nang pulis na wala namang mga armas. Yung mga pinapatay na lang kahit sumusuko na tapos isesetup na lang na kunyari nang laban. Alam mo ba yung about dun sa OFW na pinatay nung 3 pulis? Kunyari papalabasin sanang vigilante yung tumira pero kung di pa nakunan nang CCTV di pa mabibisto na mga pulis talaga? At higit sa lahat lahat nung libo libong namatay mga small time lang at karamihan mga user na sumuko na o nagpalista sa BGY kaya nasama yung pangalan nila sa listhan. Pero pano yung mga bigtime? Yung mga bigtime may dues process kasi may mga pera.

Explain ko sayo nang simple. Galit ang international community dahil sa paralellism. Kasi nung kinumpara ni Duterte yung pagpatay nya sa mga drug adict sa holocaust e para na rin nyang sinabing justified o may magandang naidulot yung holocaust. Ano ba kasalanan nung mga Jew dati?

Tama ka naman pare may mga pulis talagang nangaabuso at nagsesetup lang, hindi naman bago yun e. Pero honestly ba tingin mo lahat ng pulis ganun? Kasi if thats the case kahit sino pa nakaupo mangyayari at mangyayari pa rin yan.

Also kung napanood mo yung 2nd senate hearing ata about ejk inimbestigahan na ng pnp mga tao nila at sinampahan na ng kaso yung mga napatunayan nagmurder lang. So sana take the issue as case by case basis hindi porket may pulis na masama lahat na ganun. May mga oportunista lang talaga na ginagamit ang war of drugs para makalusot sa mga kalokohan.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: bigbanggoo October 02, 2016, 10:29:39 AM
Yup I believe na as with everything case by case naman talaga at naniniwala naman ako na seryoso yung top brass nang PNP ngayon na linisin yung ranks nila. Ang point ko lang dito e dahil sa standing order ni Duterte e mas lumalaki yung chance nung mga corrupt na police samantalahin yung pagkakataon. In effect mas madaming inosente ang napapatay under the cover of War on Drugs. There are 2 kinds of victims here. Yung mga adik na gusto na talagang magbago at nagpalista dun sa mga baranggay o munisipyo, at yung mga inosente talaga na inapalabas na lang na drug adik. So basically kung hindi ganun ka aggressive yung stance ni Duterte at idahan dahan nya nang konti to account for due process e mas makakapag lagay sila nang measures that would prevent killing of innocents.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: etong October 02, 2016, 10:29:40 AM
Ikaw ata yung nakinig sa soundbytes lang e. Different context yung kay Noynoy and Duterte. Besides kahit pareho pa sila nang ibig sabihin, which is not the case, kaya magnified yung global outrage e dahil namumuro na si Duterte. 3 months na syang nangtratrashtalk so syempre mas pagfiefiestahan sya. Kahit yung mga sensible supporters nga ni Duterte alam na mali din sya and nagsorry na. Yung mga fanatic na lang talaga yung hindi kayang abutin nang sense.


May sense naman tong strategy na to e. It's actually good. Ang tanong lang, laging nagyayabang yung presidente na may listahan na sya nung mga "druglord' so bakit di nila puntahan yung mga yun at paghuhulihin o pagpapatayin? Dahil sa due process? E bat yung mga grunts na pusher o yung mga tamang adik lang walang due process pero yung mga mataas ang social standing meron. Double standards? Si Peter Lim bakit hindi ikulong, diba nasa watchlist sya? Dahil walang evidence? Due process? Pero yung mga grunts sa watchlist patay agad dahil nasa listahan lang?

He made speeches about this countless times, he is threatening criminals. Hindi pagyayabang yun atleast i dont feel it. You are implying sir na pinapapatay nya talaga basta pusher or adik. Ang binibgyan lang nya ng go signal na patayin ay pag lumalaban. And you are right watchlist is the correct term kaya hindi hinuhuli yung mga big time under observation most likely kasi hindi naman sila yung gumagalaw talaga sa labas. Yung mga grunts ang vulnerable kasi sila yung nasa outside or yung gumagalaw and most cases are they do fight back. Pls look at incidents wherein police are dying on the streets too if you are fair minded.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: etong October 02, 2016, 10:39:01 AM
Yup I believe na as with everything case by case naman talaga at naniniwala naman ako na seryoso yung top brass nang PNP ngayon na linisin yung ranks nila. Ang point ko lang dito e dahil sa standing order ni Duterte e mas lumalaki yung chance nung mga corrupt na police samantalahin yung pagkakataon. In effect mas madaming inosente ang napapatay under the cover of War on Drugs. There are 2 kinds of victims here. Yung mga adik na gusto na talagang magbago at nagpalista dun sa mga baranggay o munisipyo, at yung mga inosente talaga na inapalabas na lang na drug adik. So basically kung hindi ganun ka aggressive yung stance ni Duterte at idahan dahan nya nang konti to account for due process e mas makakapag lagay sila nang measures that would prevent killing of innocents.

Yun ang mahirap we are all looking for a more peaceful solution pero in some cases it cant be helped since both sides may baril.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: bigbanggoo October 02, 2016, 10:49:02 AM
Yup I know na madami ding namamatay na pulis. Alam ko rin na madami sa mga killings na walang involved na pulis must be the syndicates cleaning their ranks para walang kumanta(which personally for me is ok, let them kill each other). And finally I know na most of the dead addicts are indeed guilty of fighting back. But this is not about rate, kasi kahit sabihin pa nating konti lang  yung mga sinalvage talaga e malakaing number pa rin yun. Halos 5k na yung death toll so kung for example 10% lang dito nag ginawa nang mga korupt na pulis edi 500 pa din yung innocent victims. Kahit 1% pa yan, meaning 99% efficiency of legit operations, e 50 innocent dead people pa rin yun.

Sa totoo lang kahit nung mga pre Duterte presidency debates pa e sinabi ko na talagang ok lang sakin yung pagpapatayin nila yung mga proven kriminals.
And lagi kong sinasabi dito is ang magiging issue dito pag si Duterte yung nanalo e magiging double standard ito in which small fries lang ang mabibiktima at madadamay ang mga inosente pero yung mga big fish o yung mga friends ni Duterte na kriminal e walang mangyayari. Which is yun na nga yung nangyayari. Yung mga friends nyang teroristang NPA which committed more atrocious crimes than a simple adik or dare I say small time pushers are being freed from jail.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: abdul jahkool October 03, 2016, 01:40:54 AM
Ikaw ata yung nakinig sa soundbytes lang e. Different context yung kay Noynoy and Duterte. Besides kahit pareho pa sila nang ibig sabihin, which is not the case, kaya magnified yung global outrage e dahil namumuro na si Duterte. 3 months na syang nangtratrashtalk so syempre mas pagfiefiestahan sya. Kahit yung mga sensible supporters nga ni Duterte alam na mali din sya and nagsorry na. Yung mga fanatic na lang talaga yung hindi kayang abutin nang sense.

 So kapag si Noynoy taken out of context, pero kapag Duterte hindi. I may not be sensible to you but I said it already that he should apologize and he did, simply saying na mali ang point of comparison nya though he really have a point. So, dapat lang din magapologize is Noynoy to his Hitler remarks, ow, I forgot, I am one of the person depending Noynoy in his stand of not apologizing to Hongkong people, so that makes me a Duterte Fanatic.
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: burnhito October 04, 2016, 03:03:23 AM
I wonder if those proven drug addicts used "due process" when they abuse illegal drugs, and killed or raped their victims. I wonder if drug dealers used "due process" before selling illegal narcotics to their patrons, thinking what could be the outcome after... for the past years many INNOCENTS have and had suffered because of the proliferation of illegal drugs, and there were no drastic and massive campaigns/actions taken against it, by the congress, senate or the executive department. They were not overwhelmed by the innocent deaths caused by the illegal drugs but now they're acting all shocked by the number of deaths by this users, pushers and druglords. Applying human rights to those narco-people but never to their victims. Wasting taxpayers money for a senate hearing about extrajudicial killings of "ALLEGED" (pwedeng mali/pwedeng tama )narco-people but not for their thousands "INNOCENT" (hinoldap,nirape,pinatay o pinagnakawan) victims.

Only this government have the balls to have this massive campaign to eliminate illegal drugs in the country. My only argument in this campaign is that NO INNOCENT should be involved in this campaign, whether being arrested or killed. TRUE SINNER SHOULD BE PUNISH AND TRUE INNOCENTS ARE FREED. I hope that there were no innocent people were harmed but I highly doubt it. The PNP/AFP and the Executive department should always ensure or give us, the people, the assurance that innocent lives will be spared during this purge.

And for the "yellow" brigade, try to think who are the people behind The Parties campaign funds... Big Man sa Senado baka Bag Man sa Senado.

P.S.
Not a "Dutertard", I didn't vote for him at hindi ko gusto ang basurang bunganga nya. As a statesman Duterte should act accordingly as he represent our country.


: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: naruto789544 October 04, 2016, 11:51:25 AM
i too, did not vote for duterte... but as the saying goes, those who are against his ways and procedures on dealing with the drug menace, raise your hand and give a better solution that will eradicate or at least lessen the problem... that is the problem, when others were in power, there was no substantial effort to deal with it... and when the new administration came and did what they think is right, many holler... c'mon, it is common knowledge that it is safer now than before... ask everyone on the street, and they will tell you they can walk in the streets with a sense of security now than before....
: Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
: bigbanggoo October 05, 2016, 07:40:40 AM
So kapag si Noynoy taken out of context, pero kapag Duterte hindi.

Magkaiba yung different context kesa sa out of context.