Topic: Philippine Made Armored Vehicles.

[Zornhau]

MX-8 Scout Vehicle

Armor Level : Equivalent to Simba APC. 8mm Steel (Maximum Estimate)
Mobility : Equivalent to Humvee (with shorter turning radius), 4X4
Maintenance : Commercially available parts, low cost (no foreign dependence on parts)
Design & Manufacture : 100% Filippino (Steel Craft) 
Cost : 1/3 compared to imported Armored Humvee
Weapons: Possible tandem of Two .50 Cal HMG

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MX-1 Kalakian APC

Armor: 8mm Steel
Weapons: 1 x .50 Cal HMG, 1 x 7.62 MG, 1 x 40mm Automatic Grenade Launcher all inside the turret. And one 7.62 MG on the rear side of the frame.
Design & Manufacture: Steel Craft Industries (Design is based on V-150 APC and GKN Simba APC).

[MiKeDaCuTe]

armor: 8mm???

5mm ang masilya + 3mm ang steel = 8mm armor... 

[davemust83]

talo na nga buong afp sa isang foreign main battle tank 

[tigerwing]

Aba at may nagagawa din pala tayong mga pinoy..

ayos.. saktong sakto ito sa mga rebelde at terorista na nakatago sa gubat, it can serve its purpose well kesa bibili pa ng mas mahal na imported.  Tulad sa MSSR sniper rifle.

wala naman sigurong mga tangke ang mga terorista dito sa pilipinas kaya hindi na kelangan ng mas malaki at mas mahal.

wag nyo na icompare to sa mga tangke ng ibang bansa kase wala naman tayong balak na maki giyera sa kanila. 

[critchfield99]

buti na to kay sa wala... low maintenance, mahal gasolina  kasi may service charge

[Van Wilder]

Baka naman di tulak pa yan

[Zornhau]

Steelcraft industries' first entry for an indigenous made APC during the 1990's.
It lost out to GKN Simba.

But I'd really have to say that the design of the Hari-Digma is better than GKN Simba though. It's much cheaper as well.

The Hari-Digma APC.

Armor level is still similar to Simba APC.



Look at the far left, there is this Mobile turret beside the APC.

There are two versions of the Hari-Digma, the other has it's turret sitted on the middle of the frame.
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Photo of the MX-1 Kalakian (The upgraded version of Hari-Digma).

[Zornhau]

armor: 8mm???

5mm ang masilya + 3mm ang steel = 8mm armor... 

Di ako sigurado kung 8mm, nakita ko lang kasi sa isang source sa net yun... baka mas mataba pa ng onti? 12mm?

Anyway, the AFP wants Light armored vehicles ranging 15 tons below due to our muddy forest and swampy terrain, and the other reasons for this is because most bridges made in the Philippines is not designed to have a load of 15-20 tons up. Makakasira na rin siguro ang mga mabibigat na Armored vehicles sa mga bridges na yun.

And one more thing, AFP doesn't want to use Main Battle Tanks like M1 Abrams because it will be a big target for RPGs and will have hard time traversing our jungle terrain. Also that most of our enemies operate in the jungle that will make long barreled guns of Main Battle Tanks will have hard time acquiring target due to blockage from trees. Isipin mo nalang na ang tibay nga pero sobrang bagal naman nyan sa gubat at hirap maka tira ng kanyon. Siguradong mabubugbog sa RPG yan.

[Zornhau]

Marine Multi-Purpose Vehicle (MMPV)
Armed with a 106mm Recoiless Rifle (RR)

Philippine Made.

[neckromancer]

Marine Multi-Purpose Vehicle (MMPV)
Armed with a 106mm Recoiless Rifle (RR)

In fairness mabuti naman may gamit tayo... Pansin ko lang, parang kamukha niya yung Technical Truck sa Command and Conquer generals.

Hindi national policy ang war para sa constitution natin so hindi natin kakailanganin ng mga armas at sasakyan na para sa dayuhang  terrain. If makakagawa tayo ng mga armas at sasakyan na pang-tropical archipelago (like more patrol boats for the Coast Guard) at pagtuunan ang pansin sa intelligence, makakaya nating manalo sa pagdepensa laban sa kaaway.

Sensya na if medyo out of topic.

Hindi ba medyo mahina and makina nung apc na un? Mitsubishi FUSO 130BHP Diesel daw sabi sa wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mx-8_barako

[Madarame Ikkaku]

kala cguro nila pellet guns ang ginagamit ng kalaban..

[-=Kurabo=-]

npanood koh to s isumbong mo kay tulfo.. un ung ginamit nila nung makipagbakbakn ng sa NPA... tunog lata nga nung binibira ng NPA eh.. muntik pa nga n may makalusot n bala eh

[lyer]

armor: 8mm???

5mm ang masilya + 3mm ang steel = 8mm armor... 

ang galing mo dude....GINGEENER ka ano?

[Zornhau]

Hindi ba medyo mahina and makina nung apc na un? Mitsubishi FUSO 130BHP Diesel daw sabi sa wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mx-8_barako

Hindi naman kailangan ang mga pang racing na gasoline fed engines na may 500hp more or less. Syempre ang design ng mga Armored vehicles dapat pang off-road. Baka masira lang ang Hi speed gas engine mo kung mag rev siya ng sobra sobra tapos di naman gaano gumagalaw dahil sa rough terrain. Kaya ok naman na yang makina na yan saka top speed naman nya is 120kph. Tandaan natin na mga engineers din ang gumawa nyan. Tanchado na yan.

kaso ang 2.0 L na honda CRV e 150 BHP na, hirap umahon pag lima ang sakay.. pati ung mga 2.5L na diesel ng mga FX e mga 102 BHP na ang power e sakto lng.. pano pag me bakal na armor tas kelangan mo pang magmadali kung tinatadtad na sila ng bala.. dapat atleast 200 BHP man lng and makina nila. ang Mitsu Pajero 2.0 diesel can easily reach 200HP, pang off road na un, wala pang bakal na armour.

Pero I agree dapt tlga diesel ang gamit kesa gas.. low reving, more torque, mahirap pa mamatayan, tipid pa.. diesel engine w/ snorkel can also be submerged underwater kse walang high tension wire

[Zornhau]

Di naman natin alam kung gaano ka bilis mag accelerate ang sasakyan na to. At saka 120 kph max is really good enough na. Most armored vehicles have max speed as high as that.

[psycnarf]

Attack bike 

C&C style 

[mhs]

yan ang maganda



water proof

hindi


bullet proof

 

[vindicator]

armored vehicles? ang tanong eh ilan kaya meron tayo nyan? bka naman tig 2 pares lng hehehe... 

[Zornhau]

The only one of those armored vehicles currently being used in the AFP is the PMC Multi-Purpose Marine Vehicle (MMPV)

The MX-1 Kalakian and Hari-Digma APC both lost out.

The MX-8 is still probably under or has already finished evaluation but there is still o report that it will be massed produced.

Anyway...

AFP currently has 300 APCs, 40 Scorpion Light tanks, 60+ M113 Armored Infantry Fighting Vehicle (AIFV), 30+ Different variants of M113 APC, 3 LVTH6 and etc.

[realwired73]

Matibay kaya yan sa labanan? 

[Zornhau]

Well kung small arms lang ang kalaban like Assault Rifles, 7.62 Machine guns, Ok na siya.

The problem is the AFP's enemies (rebels) are armed with B40 RPGs. The jet of molten hot copper that bursts forward from an exploding RPG warhead can penetrate over 300 mm of Military grade steel armor. Actually kahit ang mga Main Battle Tanks ng Russia and US can be heavily damaged with a single shot of an RPG. Pero depende kung saang part tatama at kung ano ang Angle ng RPG warhead by the time it hits the vehicle. The most vulnerable part is the tracks, in which if it gets broken the vehicle will lose mobility and the troops will soon have to find a way out of the conflict area.

[agentorange1980]

Well kung small arms lang ang kalaban like Assault Rifles, 7.62 Machine guns, Ok na siya.

The problem is the AFP's enemies (rebels) are armed with B40 RPGs. The jet of molten hot copper that bursts forward from an exploding RPG warhead can penetrate over 300 mm of Military grade steel armor. Actually kahit ang mga Main Battle Tanks ng Russia and US can be heavily damaged with a single shot of an RPG. Pero depende kung saang part tatama at kung ano ang Angle ng RPG warhead by the time it hits the vehicle. The most vulnerable part is the tracks, in which if it gets broken the vehicle will lose mobility and the troops will soon have to find a way out of the conflict area.

Pare kht M1 ng USA dmi na sira sa Iraq sa RPg lang so important tlaga is speed and armaments