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sigurado, may foul play yon at orporate driven itong issue na to kase mabenta yung mga montero units at tinalo na nito ang toyota so toyota ang nang ha highjack ng mga computer system ng montero para mag sua.

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2016, 10:59:36 am »
Baka kumakain ng TAE yung montero
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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2016, 12:14:42 pm »
Toyota agad nasisi?

Hindi ba pwedeng human error lang talaga?  laffman::

usapang tae na naman to. hahaha

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2016, 01:59:25 pm »
it's too many to be considered as human error... surely may glitch sa program ng box nila or sa mga piyesa...  anyway, sa AT model lang naman nila ang problem...

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2016, 07:40:47 pm »
" May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero"

Misleading topic. No reference, parang conspiracy theory mo lang ito. Pano mo napatunayan yan? Sa ginagawa mo, nagiinitiate ka lang ng gulo dahil binanggit mo pa ang toyota. Libel ata tawag dito sir.

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2016, 07:50:28 pm »
" May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero"

sigurado, may foul play yon at orporate driven itong issue na to kase mabenta yung mga montero units at tinalo na nito ang toyota so toyota ang nang ha highjack ng mga computer system ng montero para mag sua.

Misleading topic. No reference, parang conspiracy theory mo lang ito. Pano mo napatunayan yan? Sa ginagawa mo, nagiinitiate ka lang ng gulo dahil binanggit mo pa ang toyota. Libel ata tawag dito sir.

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2016, 08:40:46 am »
it's too many to be considered as human error... surely may glitch sa program ng box nila or sa mga piyesa...  anyway, sa AT model lang naman nila ang problem...

can't say too many din.. sa ibang bansa wala naman atang SUA.. 

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2016, 10:49:52 am »
sigurado, may foul play yon at orporate driven itong issue na to kase mabenta yung mga montero units at tinalo na nito ang toyota so toyota ang nang ha highjack ng mga computer system ng montero para mag sua.

From the it side, i would say highly unlikely yan.. Simply because yung mga systems made for singular purposes are easy to secure and fix, lalo na kung pinpointed naman na yung problem, all it would take is one rollout of updates.

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2016, 01:27:22 pm »
seems like dito lang satin ang may ganyang reports... alarming though since medyo marami ng complaints...

http://www.mb.com.ph/no-recall-on-montero-sport-units-mitsubishi-phl-official-says/

To date, there are 97 complaints on SUA of Montero Sport units. Thirteen of these complaints were filed in the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI), the official said.

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2016, 07:30:52 pm »
nung unang ipalabas sa tv control akala ko human error lang, then naglabas sila ng pangalawa human error parin para saken den nung malaman ko 90 plus incident na pala yan eh isinantabi ko na yung human error lalo na't halos parehing pareho yung incident, aatras at bubulusok paabante bigla, then kelan lang may naireport nanamang isa pag aari ng government official dun ko na naisip na may foul play talaga kase yung iba eh antagal na nilang gamit yung unit at ngayon lang nangyari sa kasagsagan ng mga sua incident sa parehong taon?, o glitch talaga sa production sa certain batch ng mga unit? meron din namang recorded sa ibang bansa na sua ng mga montero https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Montero_Sport_sudden_unintended_acceleration_incident

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2016, 02:00:06 am »
so.... yung mga Montero na SUA, sa Toyota nag pa PMS?  ::laffman

i think it's human error + design flaw ( pedal, or shifter). pwede din may problema talaga ECU.

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2016, 02:20:08 am »
ano naman statistic ng ibang models/brand? madaling sabihin na 90+ cases ang montero pero baka naman 90+ cases din ibang model/brand... paano nyo nasabing nakapagtataka? saan nyo na compare? ang bilis maghusga kahit kulang kulang ang nalalaman

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2016, 02:21:52 am »
basta wala na dahilandahilan,kasalanan ng toyota,tapos ang usapan

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2016, 01:08:44 am »
I think some sa mga reports na yon "naki ride" nalang, sumawsaw. 

Parang pag may truck na na-aksidente, ano sinasabi ng driver palagi? "Nawalan po ng preno"

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2016, 10:12:20 am »
alam ko e may same case sa ibang bansa

na same design ng montero  pero iba lang yung name

dun sa report e may problem talaga yung montero

pinalabas na news ito


at syempre sasabihin ng company nawalang problem ang sasakyan nila e sila kaya ang nagbebenta isip-isip din kung minsan

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2016, 10:56:01 am »
to be safe manual kunin na lang... unless this issue is cleared better clear of the automatic unit...

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2016, 08:38:35 pm »
alam ko e may same case sa ibang bansa

na same design ng montero  pero iba lang yung name

dun sa report e may problem talaga yung montero

pinalabas na news ito


at syempre sasabihin ng company nawalang problem ang sasakyan nila e sila kaya ang nagbebenta isip-isip din kung minsan


ibang bansa? that was due to the pedals sticking to the mat and the breaks still overpowered it.
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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2016, 11:31:13 pm »

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2016, 02:53:48 am »
ko hindi ko talaga gamay ang mga matic na sasakyan, buhat mag maneho ako manual gamit ko pero pokpok parin nanay ni frotomania

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2016, 04:45:57 am »
basta ako
bili pa rin ng 2016 montero
top of the line model

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2016, 07:46:28 am »
MONSTERO

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2016, 08:22:21 am »
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ibang bansa? that was due to the pedals sticking to the mat and the breaks still overpowered it.

yan ang sinabi ng mga montero napanood ko din yan

may interview sa news sa isang dean ng mechanical engineering sa FEATI at isang expert
 
pero kung nag-tatrabaho ka or may kamag-anak ka sa mitsubishi tyak sarado na isip mo at sasabihin paninira at propaganda lang dahil ABS-CBN is biased


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNdWT_zzGsQ&feature=youtu.be

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2016, 09:08:44 am »
yan ang sinabi ng mga montero napanood ko din yan

may interview sa news sa isang dean ng mechanical engineering sa FEATI at isang expert
 
pero kung nag-tatrabaho ka or may kamag-anak ka sa mitsubishi tyak sarado na isip mo at sasabihin paninira at propaganda lang dahil ABS-CBN is biased


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNdWT_zzGsQ&feature=youtu.be

ganyan mag imbestiga.. sa likod ng cctv lang...

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Re: May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2016, 10:34:50 am »
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ganyan mag imbestiga.. sa likod ng cctv lang...
saan ka ba nagtatatrabaho sa mitsubishi den


http://news.abs-cbn.com/business/12/04/15/runaway-montero-cases-also-recorded-abroad-claims-lawyer

'Runaway' Montero cases also recorded abroad, claims lawyer
MANILA - A lawyer on Friday urged the government to order the recall of allegedly defective Montero Sport units, citing accidents abroad involving the vehicle of Mitsubishi Motors Corporation (MMC).

Speaking to radio dzMM, Atty. Rita Linda Jimeno said accidents rooted in Montero's "sudden unintended acceleration" (SUA) have been recorded in New Zealand and Australia.

Jimeno said the car model's unintended acceleration also killed several people in Israel.

The lawyer also shared that when she first represented Montero owners in SUA complaints in 2012, United Kingdom-based electrical engineer Dr. Anthony Anderson contacted her to offer his expert opinion on the accidents.

Anderson, who has served as expert witness to SUA complaints in New Zealand and Australia, said studies show that unmanned acceleration incidents may be caused by a glitch in the electronic sensors used in controlling the car engine.

"Napag-aralan niya (Anderson) na ang posibleng dahilan daw ay mayroong defect doon sa electronic sensor kapag nagsa-start ang engine. Iyang electronic sensor na iyan, binabasa niya kung time na para umandar," Jimeno quoted Anderson's explanation.

"Pero kapag medyo mahina raw ang battery ng sasakyan, it's possible na magkakaroon ng misreading or mako-confuse iyung sensor na iyun kaya magre-rev up ang engine to make up for the lack of power, dahil napakalaking power ang kailangan para i-start ang engine, kaya biglang mag-a-accelerate."

The glitch causes the vehicle to race off by itself, with the driver unable to bring the vehicle to a halt using the brakes.

The lawyer said Anderson has suggested the recall of the car model and for the manufacturer to install a safety mechanism that will prevent unintended acceleration.

Jimeno urged the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) to invite Anderson to its hearings on the alleged defect. She said the electrical engineer is willing to fly to the Philippines to shed light on SUA cases.

She added that her clients are unsatisfied with the claim of MMC Philippines that attributes SUA incidents to "driver's error."

"Talagang ang mga kliyente namin, galit na galit sila dahil karamihan ang tagal nang nagmamaneho. Tapos kapag inisip natin statistically, kapani-paniwala ba naman na iyung mga nagda-drive ng Montero, sila lang ang hindi marunong tapos iyung mga ibang sasakyang dina-drive, okay naman. Paano nangyari iyun?" she said.

Jimeno urged the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) to invite Anderson to its hearings on the alleged defect. She said the electrical engineer is willing to fly to the Philippines to shed light on SUA cases.

Jimeno said the government could also summon an earlier batch of complainants against the allegedly defective Montero in 2012.

The lawyer is confident that the court can ask for the testimony of her old clients despite a confidentiality agreement they signed with MMC in exchange for financial settlement.

"Kapag po sini-settle ng Montero ang kaso, pinapipirma po sila ng confidentiality agreement na hindi nila pwedeng i-divulge o i-report ang settlement na nangyari. Noong piniramahan po iyun, ang mga tao siyempre kinakailangan nila iyung pera para makabili ng bagong sasakyan," she said.

"Sa legal opinion ko lang, kung kinakailangan silang pagsalitain ngayon dahil involved na ang public interest at under duress naman nilang pinirmahan iyun, sa tingin ko papayagan naman ng hukuman at hindi sila naman matatawag na lumabag sa compromise agreement na iyun."

DTI did not allow the earlier batch of complainants to file a class suit against MMC, Jimeno said.

COVER-UPS?

In Japan, Mitsubishi Motors was previously under fire for alleged vehicle defect cover-ups.

A Japan Times article said that in 2000, Mitsubishi Motors Corp. (MMC) President Katsuhiko Kawasoe resigned amid criticism of the firm’s concealment of customer complaints.

The article, citing investigative sources, said workers at MMC plants in Kawasaki and Okazaki, Aichi Prefecture, secretly repaired defective vehicles that should have been recalled by MMC headquarters.

The Japanese publication also reported another defect scandal in 2004 for MMC's concealment of design flaws in parts for its large vehicles which resulted in a series of accidents, one of them fatal.

Mitsubishi Motors Philippines, meanwhile, has assured the public that the Montero Sport is not defective and is safe.

The firm earlier said it already conducted tests and investigation with MMC to determine the cause of the alleged unintended acceleration.

The company said it "has not found any defects or cause directly linked to the vehicles involved."