Topic: Building a pc for design / gaming

[note2]

Hi guys , please help me build a pc for gaming and design. If maki bigay kau quote or answers the better.

So for gaming >

Games gusto ko ma play or games with these kind of graphics. Assasins Creed 3 , Diablo 3, Minecraft with sonic ether shaders.  Battlefield 3 and 4 , DOTA 2 << high quality graphics gusto ko .

Design -

I mainly use photoshop , illustrator and other programs. I might try to use 3d programs in the future , nothing like animation pero 3d graphics or manga 3d layout ng manga rooms ?


Ito manga tanong ko.

My option ako to build an amd or intel pc. Which is better ? For example sa league of legends team mineski , sponsor nila AMD hehe.

a.) Sa processor , alam ko kasi intel lang based on experience. Lam ko kasi ang benchmarks ng i5 / i7 2011 , i5 / i7 2012 and ung 2013 din. If ung 2013 piliin ko, maganda on board diba ?

Or if 2011 piliin ko cheaper but is it fast pba din ?

b.) Graphics Card - Ano ba difference sa graphics cards nowadays. If ang gfx card my 2gb ram and cheaper does it mean better and more cost efficient ? What's a good graphics card that can run my dream games above ? If mahal ang gfx card plan ko muna using the on board gfx card depende ano mabili ko sa number 1.

c.) WIFI card - Curious lang , sa pc better pa ang wifi compared to the laptop , correct?

d.) motherboard - no idea

e.) memory - 8gb muna, then expand 16 sa future

f.) harddisk - i'm not really worried sa space kasi sa akin 500gb is fine. Pero if ssd piliin ko faster diba or lang masyadong difference ? Im using a macbook air 2011 kasi, luma na ito but mabilis pa din.

Manga ibang parts paki quote nalang pls. Monitor not included

[Twentiwan]

Since walang kang budget limitation na binanggit, eto mairerecomend ko.

Processor - i5 or i7 na 4th Gen. Socket 1150.
Mobo - Para sakin kasi Asus ang maganda eh. At least Z87 chipset. Yung maximus series ng Asus maganda. lalo na yung maximus vi formula.
Memory - Pwede na yung Kingston or Corsair Vengeance. Siguro wag kang bibili ng 1 8GB, but instead make it 2X 4Gb para sa dual channel.
HDD -Since di mo naman kamo kelangan ng malaking space, edi mag SSD kana. Yun nga lang talaga mahal sya compare sa ordinary SATA.
Graphics card - No idea. Wala pa ko masyado alam dyan.
Monitor - 23"

At syempre wag mong kakalimutan yung matinong PSU at UPS.

yan po ang suggestion ko. wait natin yung ibang kapatid natin.

Yan lang suggestion ko.

[kenji_kulet]

Wifi Card for PC? it's a big NO NO NO... lalo na kung mabagal ang wifi mo at gusto mo talaga mag gaming

GPU's must be dual sa gusto mo gawin or single lang pero yung the best like the Titan ng Nvidia

CPU you must use i7's ng intel LGA2011 is ok

PSU or Power supply -  give a little more space sa power supply, saka wag kang mag titipid sa PSU kung bibili ka yung branded

memory it's ok to start with 8gb , basta yung OS mo 64 bit wag 32 bit kasi hanggang 4gb lang yun

Storage like what i always said go with an SSD para sa OS mo at main programs na gusto mo , Hard Drive naman para sa mga storage mo like Files . music and photo and some games na di naman ganun ka big deal

example > 120gb SSD mo para sa OS + MS Office + some other programs sa work mo and isang games kung kakasya
                  1TB HDD for games , music and photos and other games and files you need

mobo kelangan compatible sa CPU mo yung socket at expandable yung memory example ( 1033 , 1866 , 2000 , 2133 )

[Master Dave]

We can help you better kung magbibigay ka ng price range mo.. Sa ngayon mas efficient ang 1150, until maglabas ng Haswell for 2011.. At marami namang 2011 boards na meron nang kasamang wifi so you can get that option.. Sa video card, it totally depends on how much you're willing to spend.. And since habol mo din ang productivity, go for Nvidia-based cards.. Malaking boost ang CUDA sa Adobe and 3d apps..

[SickSativa]

a.) Kung unlimited budget mo sir go with i5/i7 na haswell ito prices ng isa sa pinakamurang shop dito sa amin
    CORE i5 4670K 3.40Ghz 6MB LGA1150 PHP10,200
    CORE i7 4770 3.40Ghz 8MB LGA1150 PHP13,800
    CORE i7 4770K 3.50Ghz 8MB LGA1150 PHP14,800



b.) Graphics Card - Ano ba difference sa graphics cards nowadays. If ang gfx card my 2gb ram and cheaper does it mean better and more cost efficient ? What's a good graphics card that can run my dream games above ? If mahal ang gfx card plan ko muna using the on board gfx card depende ano mabili ko sa number 1.

c.) WIFI card - Curious lang , sa pc better pa ang wifi compared to the laptop , correct?

d.) motherboard - no idea

e.) memory - 8gb muna, then expand 16 sa future

f.) harddisk - i'm not really worried sa space kasi sa akin 500gb is fine. Pero if ssd piliin ko faster diba or lang masyadong difference ? Im using a macbook air 2011 kasi, luma na ito but mabilis pa din.

Manga ibang parts paki quote nalang pls. Monitor not included

[SickSativa]

ayaw maedit sir. bigla na lang na post. kaya iquote ko sarili kong post

a.) Kung unlimited budget mo sir go with i5/i7 na haswell ito prices ng isa sa pinakamurang shop dito sa amin
    CORE i5 4670K 3.40Ghz 6MB LGA1150 PHP10,200
    CORE i7 4770 3.40Ghz 8MB LGA1150 PHP13,800
    CORE i7 4770K 3.50Ghz 8MB LGA1150 PHP14,800
   
    kung limited naman go for amd richland series or amd fx series
    AMD RICHLAND A8-6600K 4.2Ghz BLACK ED. PHP5,350
    AMD RICHLAND A10-6800K 4.4Ghz BLACK ED. PHP6,700
   AMD AM3+ FX-8320 EIGHT CORE 3.5GHZ 16MB PHP7,900
   AMD AM3+ FX-8350 EIGHT CORE 4.0GHZ 16MB PHP9,000



b.) Graphics Card - pagdating sa graphics card para sa akin ang best combo is
     AMD proc.-Radeon graphics or Intel proc.-Nvidia graphics. mas madali kasi para sa akin maghanap pagdating sa mga  drivers.

   Nvidia-  ZOTAC GTX 550 Ti 1GB GDDR5 192BIT AMP! PHP6,200
                ZOTAC GTX 560 1GB GDDR5 SPECIAL EDITION PHP6,000
   Radeon-SAPPHIRE HD 7770 1GB GDDR5 128BIT O.C. PHP5,900
                SAPPHIRE HD 7770 1GB GDDR5 VAPOR-X O.C. PHP6,000



c.) WIFI card - Curious lang , sa pc better pa ang wifi compared to the laptop , correct?

d.) motherboard - no idea

e.) memory - 8gb muna, then expand 16 sa future

f.) harddisk - i'm not really worried sa space kasi sa akin 500gb is fine. Pero if ssd piliin ko faster diba or lang masyadong difference ? Im using a macbook air 2011 kasi, luma na ito but mabilis pa din.

Manga ibang parts paki quote nalang pls. Monitor not included

[SickSativa]

sorry mods if nagkadoble doble. ayaw po kasing maedit ang nagpopost magisa

a.) Kung unlimited budget mo sir go with i5/i7 na haswell ito prices ng isa sa pinakamurang shop dito sa amin
    CORE i5 4670K 3.40Ghz 6MB LGA1150 PHP10,200
    CORE i7 4770 3.40Ghz 8MB LGA1150 PHP13,800
    CORE i7 4770K 3.50Ghz 8MB LGA1150 PHP14,800
   
    kung limited naman go for amd richland series or amd fx series
    AMD RICHLAND A8-6600K 4.2Ghz BLACK ED. PHP5,350
    AMD RICHLAND A10-6800K 4.4Ghz BLACK ED. PHP6,700
   AMD AM3+ FX-8320 EIGHT CORE 3.5GHZ 16MB PHP7,900
   AMD AM3+ FX-8350 EIGHT CORE 4.0GHZ 16MB PHP9,000



b.) Graphics Card - pagdating sa graphics card para sa akin ang best combo is
     AMD proc.-Radeon graphics or Intel proc.-Nvidia graphics. mas madali kasi para sa akin maghanap pagdating sa mga  drivers.

   Nvidia-  ZOTAC GTX 550 Ti 1GB GDDR5 192BIT AMP! PHP6,200
                ZOTAC GTX 560 1GB GDDR5 SPECIAL EDITION PHP6,000
   Radeon-SAPPHIRE HD 7770 1GB GDDR5 128BIT O.C. PHP5,900
                SAPPHIRE HD 7770 1GB GDDR5 VAPOR-X O.C. PHP6,000



c.) WIFI card - may mga built in na sir pero para sa akin mas gusto ko naka lan cable pa din, bili ka nalang nung wireless usb adapter which is around 500-1000 depende sa brand.

d.) motherboard - para sa akin ang brand na reliable is Asus or Gigabyte piliin mo yung sata 3 sir at usb 3.0 compatible.

e.) memory - 8gb muna, then expand 16 sa future

f.) harddisk - kuha ka na lang ng ganito sir CORSAIR 60GB SSD2.5" Drive Force Series3 SATA3 PHP2,900 lagyan mo ng OS at ibang importanteng programs para mabilis magboot. tapos kuha ka ng kahit 500gb na hdd. pero mura na din 1tb ngayon dito sa amin 3k na ang WD na hdd.

para mafeel mo gaming rig mo sir. bili ka mid tower na casing at syempre razer peripherals. hehe

[note2]

Wifi Card for PC? it's a big NO NO NO... lalo na kung mabagal ang wifi mo at gusto mo talaga mag gaming

<<< in another thread i started sa networking,  i mentioned about my pldt dsl issue. if ma transfer ko router to my room pwede ko ma lan , if not wifi.

GPU's must be dual sa gusto mo gawin or single lang pero yung the best like the Titan ng Nvidia

<<< diba ung titan is very expensive ? like 50,000

CPU you must use i7's ng intel LGA2011 is ok

PSU or Power supply -  give a little more space sa power supply, saka wag kang mag titipid sa PSU kung bibili ka yung branded

memory it's ok to start with 8gb , basta yung OS mo 64 bit wag 32 bit kasi hanggang 4gb lang yun << not familiar sa windows 8 nowadays, ano requirements


Storage like what i always said go with an SSD para sa OS mo at main programs na gusto mo , Hard Drive naman para sa mga storage mo like Files . music and photo and some games na di naman ganun ka big deal

example > 120gb SSD mo para sa OS + MS Office + some other programs sa work mo and isang games kung kakasya
                  1TB HDD for games , music and photos and other games and files you need

mobo kelangan compatible sa CPU mo yung socket at expandable yung memory example ( 1033 , 1866 , 2000 , 2133 )

with this setup, how much is the estimated cost>

[kenji_kulet]

with this setup, how much is the estimated cost>

frankly speaking you need  40K or more if you really wanted to get a good set up

yeah titan are too expensive , but you can go for a crossfire ng ibang GPU

[note2]

sa processor for example >

  CORE i7 4770 3.40Ghz 8MB LGA1150 PHP13,800
    CORE i7 4770K 3.50Ghz 8MB LGA1150 PHP14,800
vs.

   AMD AM3+ FX-8320 EIGHT CORE 3.5GHZ 16MB PHP7,900
   AMD AM3+ FX-8350 EIGHT CORE 4.0GHZ 16MB PHP9,000

Ano ba difference sa eight core 4.0ghz 16mb vs the core i7 4770 k around 14,800.

Aside from the price ? Quardcore lang ang i7 diba?

Ung manga videocards g mention mo below >

Sapat na ba ito for gaming ? It's cheaper sa manga nvdia right pero is it better ?
   Nvidia-  ZOTAC GTX 550 Ti 1GB GDDR5 192BIT AMP! PHP6,200
                ZOTAC GTX 560 1GB GDDR5 SPECIAL EDITION PHP6,000
   Radeon-SAPPHIRE HD 7770 1GB GDDR5 128BIT O.C. PHP5,900
                SAPPHIRE HD 7770 1GB GDDR5 VAPOR-X O.C. PHP6,000

[note2]

frankly speaking you need  40K or more if you really wanted to get a good set up

yeah titan are too expensive , but you can go for a crossfire ng ibang GPU

Let's say ung graphics card built in muna using intel hd5000 , then later on ill decide which to buy. How much would this cost ?

[kenji_kulet]

Let's say ung graphics card built in muna using intel hd5000 , then later on ill decide which to buy. How much would this cost ?

di ko alam magkano price range dyan sa pinas , pero that's a good idea isipin mo muna which one to buy sa GPU

[SickSativa]

sa processor for example >

  CORE i7 4770 3.40Ghz 8MB LGA1150 PHP13,800
    CORE i7 4770K 3.50Ghz 8MB LGA1150 PHP14,800
vs.

   AMD AM3+ FX-8320 EIGHT CORE 3.5GHZ 16MB PHP7,900
   AMD AM3+ FX-8350 EIGHT CORE 4.0GHZ 16MB PHP9,000

Ano ba difference sa eight core 4.0ghz 16mb vs the core i7 4770 k around 14,800.

Aside from the price ? Quardcore lang ang i7 diba?

Ung manga videocards g mention mo below >

Sapat na ba ito for gaming ? It's cheaper sa manga nvdia right pero is it better ?
   Nvidia-  ZOTAC GTX 550 Ti 1GB GDDR5 192BIT AMP! PHP6,200
                ZOTAC GTX 560 1GB GDDR5 SPECIAL EDITION PHP6,000
   Radeon-SAPPHIRE HD 7770 1GB GDDR5 128BIT O.C. PHP5,900
                SAPPHIRE HD 7770 1GB GDDR5 VAPOR-X O.C. PHP6,000

yes sir quadcore ang i7.
yung sa video cards po na binigay ko yung variations po ng price is dahil sa brand. may mas better pa dyan sir.  hindi ko po kasi alam budget ninyo pero pag unlimited po may mas magaganda pa dyan.

[note2]

obviously ung titan is out of the question.

lets say graphics card around 20 - 30k > For example ito >

http://www.hardwarezone.com.ph/product-nvidia-geforce-gtx-770-2gb-gddr5-reference-card

[kenji_kulet]

obviously ung titan is out of the question.

lets say graphics card around 20 - 30k > For example ito >

http://www.hardwarezone.com.ph/product-nvidia-geforce-gtx-770-2gb-gddr5-reference-card

or go for a palit gtx670 make it crossfire if you wanted to

[note2]

if ung 670 crossfire vs ung geforce 770. Which is better ? Ano main advantage sa crossfire ?


And this kinda setup, how much ang monthly bill sa kuryente, assuming ginamit ito like 10 - 12 hours a day.

[MasterChief63]

or go for a palit gtx670 make it crossfire if you wanted to

SLI NOT XFIRE... AMD fanboy hahahaha

if ung 670 crossfire vs ung geforce 770. Which is better ? Ano main advantage sa crossfire ?


And this kinda setup, how much ang monthly bill sa kuryente, assuming ginamit ito like 10 - 12 hours a day.

670 and 770 dont have a large gap between them performance wise but the 670 is a wee bit cheaper than the 770 but slapping 2 670s in an SLI will destroy 1 770 both in perfromance and would cost more, siginicantly more, consume me power and poduce me heat

i would still suggest you get a SINGLE CARD SOLUTION, not an SLI or XFIRE set up

Kuryente wise SLI and Xfire setups will consume 2x the normal consumption of just 1 video card i used to have 2 5770s that i crossfired but made my system hotter and made my ower bill about 15% higher so  sold both of tem and ild the 2nd  just yesterday

go for a Highend single card solution because when you go Dual(or more) you will need an overclked i5 or i7/ a high end i7

[kenji_kulet]

SLI NOT XFIRE... AMD fanboy hahahaha


670 and 770 dont have a large gap between them performance wise but the 670 is a wee bit cheaper than the 770 but slapping 2 670s in an SLI will destroy 1 770 both in perfromance and would cost more, siginicantly more, consume me power and poduce me heat

i would still suggest you get a SINGLE CARD SOLUTION, not an SLI or XFIRE set up

Kuryente wise SLI and Xfire setups will consume 2x the normal consumption of just 1 video card i used to have 2 5770s that i crossfired but made my system hotter and made my ower bill about 15% higher so  sold both of tem and ild the 2nd  just yesterday

go for a Highend single card solution because when you go Dual(or more) you will need an overclked i5 or i7/ a high end i7

  sabay ko kasi sinasagot tong Thread na to saka kay sir Leightot

dual card sinabi ko kasi gagamitin nya sa 3D not sure kung kakayanin ng isang GPU when doing 3D editing

you know how big is the difference between a work station GPU and Gaming GPU

and work station GPU's are more expensive but not build for gaming

[MasterChief63]

the Quad Core Intel i7 Haswell 4000 Series(or even Ivi Bridge 3000 series) will OUTPERFORM in MOST situations the FX4300,6300 and 8300 series EACH AND EVERY TIME but COSTS TWICE

that is A FACT

because the Bulldozer 4100,6100 and 8100 series FLOPPED SO VERY HORRIBLY that trying to FIX the Situation with the Piledriver FX series wanst enough to compete with the i7s, the FX series is comparable to i5s but has NOW GPU built in them unlike the Intels with HD4000 etc.

the FX Series Octa Core has a slight advantage only on APPs and GAMES that require MULTICORE CPUS and are more solid in Multi Tasking since all i7s are only Quad Cores but the higher ends have Hyper Threading meaning they are "Sort OF" Octa Core because each core has 2 Threads that can device Command threads between the 2 Threads of 1 core witiut having 2 Cores do 2 Threads but 2 Cores process 2 Threads better than 1 core with 2 threads

if you need Absolute Power go i7 Haswell, if you want Performance at a more reasonable price go AMD FX

 

[MasterChief63]

and work station GPU's are more expensive but not build for gaming

opkors pero kung pang Professional talaga ang kailangan ATI Firepro or NVidia Quatro na dapat, not Gaming Video cards... SUPER VIDEO CARDS 

[kenji_kulet]

opkors pero kung pang Professional talaga ang kailangan ATI Firepro or NVidia Quatro na dapat, not Gaming Video cards... SUPER VIDEO CARDS 

saka gusto rin pala nya mag games kaya ayun yung naisip ko 2 gtx670 SLI  baka crossfire ulit masabi ko

[note2]

example of 3d stuff I want to do >

http://vandelaydesign.com/blog/design/3d-design-inspiration/


<< this 3d thing is just for trying it out , but won't really focus on. Check mo ung house, and 3d text. Which videocard can do this ? ati or nvidia or amd?

As for designing , usually manga web and print design lang gingawa ko. Right now kaya ko naman magawa sa macbook air i5 2011. Ok naman processor nito but ram nya kulang and onboard gfx card nya d makaya new games , and its a mac. So ung 3d stuff I may or may not try it.


Ung g mention nyo na quadro is so overkill for print and web design , hehe. Anyways , ano ma recommend nyo mga sir with regards sa videocard ? Estimated cost if i go the intel or amd route ?

And any idea sa monthly bill? like 1,000 if lagi ginamit ? what you guys think ?

[mr.mysteryoso]

kng 15k budget gaming PC po! ano po ang mga SPECS? yong pwde na sa DOTA 2 and NBA2k14!