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pa advice naman sa job offer
« on: March 06, 2013, 08:15:04 am »
sirs eto situation ko. may job offer na talaga ako from a company as business devlt manager, ang offer 30 all in plus commissions, average daw is 5-10 thou a month. they gave me till friday to decide. ang problem pumasa ako sa first two interviews ng IBM for a managerial position also, pero HR pa lang yun. according kasi sa mga nababasa ko, ang range daw ng IBM pay for their managers, 50 to 70thou.

if you were in my position, go kayo dun sa may firm offer na or gamble with IBM. im sure kung pumasa man ako dun sa interview ng mag operations manager eh mga 1 month pa yun hihintayin ko before they offer me yung possible pay sa IBM. HR pa lang kasi sa IBM pero dun sa isa offer na talaga.

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Re: pa advice naman sa job offer
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2013, 09:03:19 am »
sirs eto situation ko. may job offer na talaga ako from a company as business devlt manager, ang offer 30 all in plus commissions, average daw is 5-10 thou a month. they gave me till friday to decide. ang problem pumasa ako sa first two interviews ng IBM for a managerial position also, pero HR pa lang yun. according kasi sa mga nababasa ko, ang range daw ng IBM pay for their managers, 50 to 70thou.

if you were in my position, go kayo dun sa may firm offer na or gamble with IBM. im sure kung pumasa man ako dun sa interview ng mag operations manager eh mga 1 month pa yun hihintayin ko before they offer me yung possible pay sa IBM. HR pa lang kasi sa IBM pero dun sa isa offer na talaga.

thank you mga co spies.

Asking base salary ay depende sa current salary mo.

Example computation:
Current Basic= 20,000.00 x 12 = 240k (annual)
Allowance = 2,000.00
13th Month = 20,000.00
if merong 14th, 15th... isama mo rin
Other cash benefits = 1,500.00

- 240k + 2k + 20k + (14th + 15th if meron) + 1.5k = 263.5k (wala munang 14th & 15th)
- 263.5k / 12 = 21958.33 (eto na yung monthly mo)

Asking by default is + 20 percent of your current.

- 21958.33 * 1.2 = Php 26350.00  <-- eto yung pinaka mababang makukuha mo dapat. Pwede ka pang humirit.

Since na dalawa yung nag oofer sayo. Pwede mong i bargain both. Sabihin mo sa IBM eto yung offer sa kabila, sabihin mo rin sa kabila eto offer ng IBM.

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Re: pa advice naman sa job offer
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2013, 09:14:16 am »
thank you sir telesforo. problem ko kasi is yun sa BDM na offer na 30, no adjustment na daw talaga (30 lang din ako sa previous work ko). yung sa IBM naman, wala pa sila offer kasi hanggang HR pa lang ako so sobrang gamble pa talaga kasi baka sa next interview with the higher ups eh baka ayaw naman pla sa akin. sakit sa ulo. parang fold (get the firm offer) o kaya all in (go w/ IBM - name of the company + possible better pay).


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Re: pa advice naman sa job offer
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2013, 09:28:11 am »
thank you sir telesforo. problem ko kasi is yun sa BDM na offer na 30, no adjustment na daw talaga (30 lang din ako sa previous work ko). yung sa IBM naman, wala pa sila offer kasi hanggang HR pa lang ako so sobrang gamble pa talaga kasi baka sa next interview with the higher ups eh baka ayaw naman pla sa akin. sakit sa ulo. parang fold (get the firm offer) o kaya all in (go w/ IBM - name of the company + possible better pay).



If totoong IBM yan well wait mo na lang kesa naman lilipat ka sa ibang company with same rate.

Kung IBM SD yan iba yung benefits comparing sa IBM Philippines.

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Re: pa advice naman sa job offer
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2013, 09:32:04 am »
IBM Global Processes Service sir yun sa email nila. thank you sir sa help ha.

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Re: pa advice naman sa job offer
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2013, 09:37:38 am »
IBM Global Processes Service sir yun sa email nila. thank you sir sa help ha.

Yan yung IBM Daksh - BPO ng IBM. Well hindi yan IBM Philippines.

Sa Makati PBCom ka ba na interview?

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Re: pa advice naman sa job offer
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2013, 10:04:38 am »
Woot! sayang referral na sana! Managerial position? malamang band 7 ang offer, tama ka dun 50-70k.
Go with IBM, malamang sa IBS yan (IBM Business Services).

mukhang makakapagantay naman yang BDM, if they really want you.

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Re: pa advice naman sa job offer
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2013, 10:12:59 am »
accept the offer from BDM, but still continue your application to IBM, then kung matanggap ka pwede ka naman mag AWOL sa BDM.

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Re: pa advice naman sa job offer
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2013, 10:53:42 am »
@telesforo -  2 phone interview pa lang then next daw is w/ the account head na. I passed daw dun sa HR nila kaya next na is w/ the account. Hindi ko lang alam kelan.       @kefkef - sir hindi ba papapirmahin ka agad ng contract once you say yes sa job offer nun isa? Naisip ko din yan kaya lang nahihiya din kasi ako na oo then bawi. Unless madami gumagawa nito. :)

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Re: pa advice naman sa job offer
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2013, 05:37:06 pm »
@telesforo -  2 phone interview pa lang then next daw is w/ the account head na. I passed daw dun sa HR nila kaya next na is w/ the account. Hindi ko lang alam kelan.       @kefkef - sir hindi ba papapirmahin ka agad ng contract once you say yes sa job offer nun isa? Naisip ko din yan kaya lang nahihiya din kasi ako na oo then bawi. Unless madami gumagawa nito. :)

Natawa naman ako dito. Pang ilang Job mo na ba ito at parang wala ka sa sirkulasyon? Kahit naman merong kang pinirmahan as long as magpapa-alam ka ng maayos makaka alis ka naman. Pero once na meron kang Training or Sign-in Bonus bond, ang gagawin mo lang payback yung amount na nainvest sa training mo or amount na narecieve mo sa sign-in.

Hindi sya kagaya ng contract ng mga OFW ito. Saka for sure it's either 3 to 6 months probationary ka bago ka dumaan sa regularization. If 1 to 2 years yung contract mo same lang din. At expect mo lang ang 30-day notice sa resignation or AWOL ka.

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Re: pa advice naman sa job offer
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2013, 07:26:13 pm »
@telesforo - hahahah! Almost 8 yrs kasi ako dun sa last job ko then pahinga ng 3 months kaya nakalimutan ko na how things work. Last time na nag sign ako ng contract mga 9 years ago. :) ang inisip ko naman i'll say yes sa bdm then habang nag papa medical ako im continuing my app with ibm. parang nakakahiya lang kasi dun sa bdm na aalis ka din bigla if ever na matanggap ako sa ibm. Thank you ulit sir and sa mga nag reply! :)

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Re: pa advice naman sa job offer
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2013, 08:13:36 pm »
I'd say be patient. You will notice most "bad jobs", mamadaliin ka nila to make a decision asap, yung tipong on-the-spot. This also works when selling "bad products/services". Lalatagan ka nila ng a set of advantages then get your decision right away so you wont have time to consider the disadvantages.

I'm not saying na "bad job" ang inaplayan mo, but i mean isipin mo munang mabuti. Dont take a job just because of the salary. Baka naman maganda nga ang salary, pero after 1 year burned-out ka na. Magre-resign ka lang din. Isipin mo, nakikita mo pa rin ba ang sarili mo sa company na yan after 10 yrs?

Minsan, dahil need natin magkaroon ng work right away, were forcing ourselves sa mga unfortunate situations like jobs we dont like.

Kung confident ka sa skills mo, di ka mauubusan ng opportunities... =)

Back the topic, how good yung BDM company? Kung same level with IBM, and magiging happy ka either of them man kunin mo, then MAKE THEM WAIT. Maraming pwedeng gawing reasons para i-delay ang decision making. Sabihin mo, inaantay mo pa ang result ng application mo from another big company (Remember how some HR asks you kung may ibang applications ka sa ibang company? They're trying to asses how marketable your skills are). Make then feel na its ok to lose the job (although syempre hindi) and that you are confident to find another one. Then, pag lumabas na result ng IBM, saka ka mag-decide. Ayaw mo naman magsisi kapag mas maganda pala opportunites sa IBM...

Teka, nakatulong ba mga sinabi ko? =D

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Re: pa advice naman sa job offer
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2013, 09:30:00 pm »
I'd say be patient. You will notice most "bad jobs", mamadaliin ka nila to make a decision asap, yung tipong on-the-spot. This also works when selling "bad products/services". Lalatagan ka nila ng a set of advantages then get your decision right away so you wont have time to consider the disadvantages.

I'm not saying na "bad job" ang inaplayan mo, but i mean isipin mo munang mabuti. Dont take a job just because of the salary. Baka naman maganda nga ang salary, pero after 1 year burned-out ka na. Magre-resign ka lang din. Isipin mo, nakikita mo pa rin ba ang sarili mo sa company na yan after 10 yrs?

Minsan, dahil need natin magkaroon ng work right away, were forcing ourselves sa mga unfortunate situations like jobs we dont like.

Kung confident ka sa skills mo, di ka mauubusan ng opportunities... =)

Back the topic, how good yung BDM company? Kung same level with IBM, and magiging happy ka either of them man kunin mo, then MAKE THEM WAIT. Maraming pwedeng gawing reasons para i-delay ang decision making. Sabihin mo, inaantay mo pa ang result ng application mo from another big company (Remember how some HR asks you kung may ibang applications ka sa ibang company? They're trying to asses how marketable your skills are). Make then feel na its ok to lose the job (although syempre hindi) and that you are confident to find another one. Then, pag lumabas na result ng IBM, saka ka mag-decide. Ayaw mo naman magsisi kapag mas maganda pala opportunites sa IBM...

Teka, nakatulong ba mga sinabi ko? =D

nakakainis tong reply mo sir. tama lahat! hahahahaha!  :applause medyo impatient na din ako at nangangati na magka work kaya tempting yung sa BDM post. maliit lang yung company na yun sir compared sa IBM pero reputable naman. they have offices all over asia and medyo known din naman in their industry. ang ayaw ko lang is that they only gave me 3 days to decide. i was asking for two weeks (unless tama nga lang na 3 days). thank you sir for your input.  finger4u

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Re: pa advice naman sa job offer
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2013, 02:56:42 am »
tignan mo mabuti tol

yung isa Business development manager
yung isa Managerial position

kapag mataas ang sahod mataas din lexpectation ng company at mataas din liability mo

sa managerial position kapag pumalpak ka at subordinates mo eventually sayo lahat ang sisi tawag dyan Respondiat superior kaya mo ba ang stress na ganun mataas naman sahod mo at medyo bigtime yung company compensated ka

sa business development manager alam mo to sabi mo nga 8 years mo ng trabaho samakatuwid pa petiks petiks ka lang di ka nila maloloko di ka nila masisi dahil alam mo ang principles nito kung magaan lang to you can get few master degree and you can teach in a university as a part time prof

makipag-deal ka sa DBM na subukan ka muna ng ilan weeks para ma-assess ka ng mabuti at ma delay mo sila kung okay kana sa IBM sa IBM ka kung okay at masaya sa DBM sa DBM ka

problema mo lang kung direct hiring ang DBM pipirma ka kaagad ng kontrata 



 

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Re: pa advice naman sa job offer
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2013, 10:15:07 pm »
thank you sir idiot. accept ko na lang yung sa BDM post pero delay ko starting day ko. then continue w/ ibm. thank you sa lahat ng help!  toast::