Topic: Philippines MSSR - "Marine Scout Sniper Rifle"

[roughneck]

Caliber: 5.56x45mm NATO (.223 Rem)
Operation: Gas operated semi-automatic
Scope: Tasco Armored 3-9x40mm
Bushnell 3-9x40mm w/Mil-Dots (3rd Gen).
Feed: 20/30 round detachable box magazine.
Weight: 10 lbs (4.55 kg)
Length: 42.25" (107.3 cm)
Barrel: 24" (68 cm) DPMS Heavy Stainless Steel Match
20" (50.8 cm) DPMS Heavy SS Match (NSWAG 3rd Gen)
Barrel Twist: RH 1 - 8.5", or 1-8" (3rd Gen)
Stock: Black synthetic M-16A1 design with Cheek Rest.
Black syntehtic M-16A2 (3rd Gen)
Trigger: J&P match trigger
Accuracy: At least 1 MOA with M855 ammo


The MSSR was developed out of a need for a designated sniper rifle for the Landing Battalions of the Filipino Marines. They were operating on a limited budget, and didn't have the expert gunsmiths to modify a M14 or any of the other standard rifles used for sniping. But they do have the experts who know how to work on M16's. They have been producing the M16A1 under license for several years, and all the troops are framiliar with the handling of the weapon. So they did the logical thing and built a sniper rifle on the M16A1 platform.
The armorers take an existing M16A1 lower receiver and replace the upper with a DPMS match upper and Barrel. This includes a floating aluminum handguard tube and a Harris bi-pod is attached to that. They use a Tasco Armored 3-9x40mm scope, not really my first choice, in fact, not a very good choice in my opinion. But they did have a very limited budget to work with, so this is probably the one area they thought they could get away with cutting. They use a J&P match trigger that has been fine tuned. The rifles are tested and only get issued if they will shoot 1 MOA or better with M855 ammo.

I am not a fan of the 5.56mm being used in sniper rifles, but this is a unique case were it isn't such a bad plan. The limited ranges found in the Filipino jungles helps reduce some of the short comings of the round. The rifles will generally shoot right around 1 MOA out to 600 meters. The ease of training due to framiliarity with the M16 helps to reduce training costs, both for the sniper and the armorers. All in all, its not a bad implentation, and shows some creativity in developing a sniper rifle with a set of rigid constraints.

Update The Filipino Marines have started deployment of the 3rd generation MSSR with the Naval Special Warfare Group (NSWAG) and some Marines starting the transition. Changes to the 3rd Gen includes the DPMS 24 inch heavy barrel (with the NSWAG opting for the 20 inch). The new barrels have a change of twist from the old 1-8.5" to a new 1-8". The rifles also have a DPMS gas port, A2 pistol grips, and use three scope rings rather than two. The new 3rd Gen MSSR has also replaced the rubber coated Tasco scope with a Bushnell 3-9x scope with mil dots. The standard ammo for the MSSR has been changed from M885 to the federal 69 grain match. The MSSR has also began evaluation of Remington 700P's to be used as an intermediate range sniper rifle to compliment the MSSR and their long range .50 that is used in small numbers. With the upgrades to the MSSR, it has become a very nice rifle for its intended mission. Thanks to Lt Col John Martir of the Philippine Marine Corps for the updated info and images!!

[lyer]

mas malakas pa ba to sa garand ng CAFGU at sa M14?

[roughneck]

im sure mas malakas ang garand & M14 sir coz 30cals ang mga yun, but maneuverability, mag capacity & recoil, d2 kana sa MSSR.

[tonikoro[deactivated]]

sorry,but amongst the sniper rifle s of the world ...the mssr ranks very ,very poorly.

[MiKeDaCuTe]

M-16 tapos nilagyan ng telescope, Sniper rifle na.... 

karamihan naman ng baril ngayon sa mundo e me certain na baril na pinagbasehan.  Kasi kung magiimbento pa ng talagang unique e hindi sure ang mga gagamit kung reliable ba o hinde.. Ang M16 platform eh talang subok na na reliable kaya madaming baril ngayon e nka base sa M16 platform.. isa na ang MSSR dun.

saka matagal na tayong binigyan ng pahintulot ng COLT USA na gumawa ng Philippine made na M16 baril.. Kaya kung gagawa lang din tayo ng Sniper rifle e ibabase na natin sa M16. Kung magjjam man or pumaltos.. kayang kaya na solusyonan ng gumagamit kse sanay na sila sa baril na un.

Hindi lng m16 na me telescope yan noh.. Me aluminum floating handgrip para daw less ang contact sa barrel para daw hindi masyado maistorbo ang pag daloy ng bala.. Heavy barrel pa sya, mas makapal barrel. etc. etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mssr_rifle

[tonikoro[deactivated]]

if you want a combat proven sniper rifle but does not cost an arm and a leg,why not buy the M-40a1 of the US army.Noong 1970 s pa
ito ginagamit kaya subok na subok na siya unlike that rifle based on an m-16.I dont think na relaible din ang m16,prone to jamming siya
which you dont want to happen during combat.Mssr is at least 1 MOA lang siya sa accuracy compared to wthin one MOA ng M-40a1.

Priced at around 2,105 US dollars siya.

kung nasa semi automatic ang m16 e hindi sya prone sa jamming. wala na atang fully automatic feature ang MSSR kaya no problem sa jamming.  Hindi din daw maganda gamitin ang mga rifle na kahoy ang stock sa tropical climate, dahil sa moisture daw pedeng mabago slightly ang hugis, pumangit ang accuracy.

mas malaki parin ang tipid ng MSSR dahil sa NATO 5.56 mm ang gamit na bala.. at tayo na mismo ang gumawa.. Mas tipid tlga.. Yan ang no.1 reason kung bakit ginawa ang mssr..

Saka sa jungle ginagamit to.. Although mas malayo tlga ang accuracy ng 7.62, e nabbbalewala ang range kse sa mga puno. 500m e mahirap na siguro magpatama. 600m ang accuracy ng 5.56mm (fired from an ordinary assault riffle), pero nagttraning daw ung mga marines para madopt sa 800m at match grade pa ang bala na ginagamit nila. At sila pa daw mismo ang naglload, tipid pa lalo..

Kung me budget lng sana tyo matinong baril na ang M21 or dragunov ng russia para sa semi automatic na sniper rifle 

[roughneck]

mga sir di rin po natin kelangan ng mga high-end sniper rifles, jungle po ang warzone natin kya ok na ang mssr. kahit nga ordinary M16 lagyan lang ng scope pwede na, 50-100m dito sa jungle natin di mo na halos makita ang kalaban.

my kilala akong sniper ng Phil. Army, iniwan ung sniper rifle nya at nakipagbakbakan sa kalaban gamit ang baby armalite nya...

[tonikoro[deactivated]]

its McMillan fiberglass A1 with epoxy filler,not wood.Most m-16 rifles jam because of dirt,dust ,water etc..not because of their rate of fire.

a proven sniper rifle price only at 2thou dollars ay titipirin pa natin?This m40 rifles are to be phased out na sa US kaya baka makuha pa

ng mas mura.

My point here is not combat proven as a sniper rifle...why developed one when meron ng siguradong pwedeng gamitin .

[roughneck]

as far as i know eh walang problema ang M16 d2 satin, kung nasa desert tayo i'm sure mgkakaroon ng prob. kya ang mga US SF sa Iraq and Afghanistan ngpalit ng upper receiver, from colt M4 to HK 416. so i believe na ok lng gamitin d2 ang MSSR...

[Master_Blaster]

Not everything written in magazines is gospel truth, my friend.  Trust those who slave it out in the field or area.  It is different when one basks in the controlled environment as compared to the "rotting" environment where bugs work under truly harsh conditions and where the enemy barks back with live rounds either with trained accuracy or not.

I believe the 5.56 mm round was chosen with availability, cost and weight in mind.  The 5.56 mm may be seen as an improvement to the 7.62 mm especially if in SS109 and if fired through improved twist barrels such as SS109 and the like.

At the end of the day, one gets to opt for what truly works under these conditions including cost, practicability and maintenance in mind.

Regards from across the land via Globe

 

[davemust83]

orthe government can opt to give the infantry more bullets instead of developing "better" weapons.

[p0rnfreak]

Gamit nalang ng sumpit... mas mura pa.. 

[al de monte]

The MSSR developed as an effective, low cost sniper rifle by the Philippine Marine Scout Snipers.
This was done mainly for cost saving reasons as it was deemed using 5.56 mm ammunition since the AFP are currently engaged in counter insurgency(coin) and internal security operations.


Photo courtesy from Philippine Marine Corps

[al de monte]

pahabol lang...


Photo courtesy from Philippine Marine Corps

ang haba nga tlga pala ung barrel ng MSSR. 26" daw, 24" lng ang mga ordinary na sniper rifle.. para siguro to sa accuracy ng 5.56 mm na bala nya para umabot sa 800m ang accuracy

[roughneck]

e2 pa ibang gamit ng Phil. Marines...

[goldendragon]

ang galing! ang galing ng abbreviation! MSSR. parang SOAR din pala to e 

[walaangay]

nice info dati hilig ko mag collect ng ganitong mga collections

[comsci24]

Aw sniper rifle na ba natin yan hehehe 5.56mm siguro pag nakita ng mga british to tska germany pag tatawanan tayo ng mga yun hehehe..

[red plotter]

Aw sniper rifle na ba natin yan hehehe 5.56mm siguro pag nakita ng mga british to tska germany pag tatawanan tayo ng mga yun hehehe..

hwag kang magmagaling tol, baka yan pinutok sayo at tinamaan ka... hindi hehehe sasabihin mo kundi ah! tinamaan ako.

to tell you guys during balikatan exercises mas magaling pang sumipat ang mga sundalo natin kisa sa mga kano, ang ganda nga ng baril nila pero hanggang display lang. hindi yan sinasabi ito lang ang makakaya ng MSSR natin, ginawa yan para sa geographical location natin at para sa terrain ng mga kalaban. dito sa atin  mas gusto ng mga sundalo natin ng short range sniper rifle at hindi yang sobrang laki at mabigat na sniper rifle, at kung bakit dahil sa maneuverility. during encounters between our soldiers and enemy most frequent nasa 100m to 300m ang line of fire kung ang kalaban nasa 500m tumatakbo na yan.

I say, bilib pa rin ako sa gumawa nito at ang RECON Battalion ng Phil Marines gamit na gamit nila itong MSSR.

[huggybear]

Gamit nalang ng sumpit... mas mura pa.. 

Tell that to the Marines... tignan natin kung makakatawa ka....

[Idiot]

I seen few sniper rifles

especially sa UK yung 50 caliber nilang sniper rifle wow lumulusot sa bakal na 50 mm thick ata

pero yung sniper tama nga ang sabi you need to adjust sa surroundings dahil nasa jungle ang gyera dapat e lightweight ang dinadala mo. Kaya favorable ang mga sniper na 5.56 mm.
ang haba nga at ang lakas e hindi kanaman makatakbo sa bigat pugot na ang ulo mo dahil naabutan ka ng mga bandido 

[Carnal]

ok to!.. gus2 me magmarine or swat!.. hehe!..