Topic: parang passenger ship lang.

[Good Spy]

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ang warship ng pinas parang passsenger ship lang na nilagyan ng armas sa gitna...   

[freeyourmind]

surface missiles are deadly.

[tigerwing]

ang warship ng pinas parang passsenger ship lang na nilagyan ng armas sa gitna...   

And your point is?

If you have any knowledge on how "combat vessels" are built, you'll know the Hamiltons are far from being "parang passenger ship".. 

[kenji_kulet]

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ang warship ng pinas parang passsenger ship lang na nilagyan ng armas sa gitna...   

US Coast Guards wont use it for a long time if its a "passenger" type of ship 

[wildgang_10]

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ang warship ng pinas parang passsenger ship lang na nilagyan ng armas sa gitna...   

itong barko na ito is used by US coastguard before.

baka kasi ang iniisip mo yung typical na battleship na may exposed na malalaking canons, torpedo tubes.

but if you look closely sa mga modern design ng naval ship nowadays frigates, destroyers for instance lahat neat, clean looking malinis na yung external, kasi most of the armaments are located internally..

even somali pirates napag kakamalan nilang civilian cargo vessel  yung naval ships na design ngayun.

but don't be fooled a single modern destroyer escort can sink a typical naval armada used during the world war 2

ang tutuong issue kasi mahal yung upgrades pwede mong lagyan ng kung anu anung armaments yung naval ship na bagong aquire natin ngayun,  as always pera ang kailangan.

hinde naman pwede ibuhos sa isang branch ng military natin ang budget lahat,  paanu naman yung airforce, army natin...

[gotenks]

Its a nice frigate design and wait until they have funds for the upgrade it will look a lot better with CIWS,SSM,with ASW helicopter too.

[asanti]

Lets clarify things.... its not a world war 2 battleship with big guns like the japanese ship " yamato" or the us ship " missouri" .. those big guns on big ships will not survive against a modern ship with anti-ship missiles and carrying helicopters that can launch anti ship torpedoes . naval ships now use small guns that is rapid firing auto loading against small ships and in close encounters and have air components to double the punch

[Good Spy]

And your point is?

If you have any knowledge on how "combat vessels" are built, you'll know the Hamiltons are far from being "parang passenger ship".. 

apo ka yata ni ninoy.... point ko? ang point ko is very corrupt ang goberno natin bakit may problema ka? 

[Good Spy]

Lets clarify things.... its not a world war 2 battleship with big guns like the japanese ship " yamato" or the us ship " missouri" .. those big guns on big ships will not survive against a modern ship with anti-ship missiles and carrying helicopters that can launch anti ship torpedoes . naval ships now use small guns that is rapid firing auto loading against small ships and in close encounters and have air components to double the punch

bat parang iba nakikita kong design sa ibang bansa? bakit hindi parang passenger ship? at mas matindi... at mukhang ni corrupt yung goberno nila... nakikita mo dba?

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[gotenks]

Those are destroyers the Hamiltons are Frigates and so is the next 2 new purchase that's in the pipeline. The PN needs to get use to handling bigger and modern warships by starting with the Hamiltons and the next frigates,destroyers will be somewhere 10 years down the line.

[tigerwing]

apo ka yata ni ninoy.... point ko? ang point ko is very corrupt ang goberno natin bakit may problema ka? 

 biglang napunta sa gobyerno.. do you even know why the hamiltons was acquired? Do you have any idea on the current situation and operational requirements of the philippine navy?

And how exactly does the hamilton resemble a "passenger ship" ? Is it common for passenger ships this days to have CODAG engines? Can you easily equip advance sensors and weapons to a passenger ship? Coz you can with the hamiltons..

if your point is that we should have bought something better.. please lang.. educate yourself. There are major reasons why we cant.. you do realize that before the hamiltons, the only frigate we have is from the world war 2 era.. Simply put, even if we have the money to buy advance ships, our navy dont have the necessary skills to operate and maintain it..

think before you rant.. 

[asanti]

Good Spy ... those pictures really look good for a guided missile warship for the russian navy... but keep in mind our ships are formerly from u.s. coast guard not from u.s. navy ... we will be upgrading it to navy standards and they will be good enough to familiarize our navy men with modern systems  .. we will be buying two naval frigates and you will be happy they will be not as civilian ships but mean looking warships

[kenji_kulet]

iba iba kasi ang Navy Ships check mo yung set ng 7 fleet ng US

saka yung barko na yan na parang "passenger type" is gamit ng US Coast Guard nakikita ko yan dito sa lugar namin sa Bay Area

hindi naman kasi kelangan ng Coast Guard ng Power sa Barko , they mostly do guard near US soil

we live near the Coast Guard Island ( yan search mo sa google )

Coast Guard Island Alameda
Alameda, CA 94501
37.781286, -122.249486

and if you wanted to see the Historical USS Hornet

W Hornet Ave
Alameda, CA 94501
37.772317, -122.303067

[bigbanggoo]

This is indeed a very powerful vessel compared to WW2 ships. But compared to today's? Pipitikin lang yan nang jets galing sa carrier bagong carrier nang china.  Totoo nga yung sabi nung Taiwan dati e nung muntik nang magkainitan, yayabang nang mga pinoy pero wala namang firepower.

[tigerwing]

This is indeed a very powerful vessel compared to WW2 ships. But compared to today's? Pipitikin lang yan nang jets galing sa carrier bagong carrier nang china.  Totoo nga yung sabi nung Taiwan dati e nung muntik nang magkainitan, yayabang nang mga pinoy pero wala namang firepower.

thing is.. it was never meant to go toe-to-toe with other warships. The hamiltons were not  acquired so that we can finaly fight in equal terms against china or taiwan.. They are a stop gap solution, so that the navy will have a vessel capable of PATROLING our maritime teritories  as well as serve as a TRAINING platform to prepare navy personels for upcoming, hopefully better equiped, vessels.

[Good Spy]

biglang napunta sa gobyerno.. do you even know why the hamiltons was acquired? Do you have any idea on the current situation and operational requirements of the philippine navy?

And how exactly does the hamilton resemble a "passenger ship" ? Is it common for passenger ships this days to have CODAG engines? Can you easily equip advance sensors and weapons to a passenger ship? Coz you can with the hamiltons..

if your point is that we should have bought something better.. please lang.. educate yourself. There are major reasons why we cant.. you do realize that before the hamiltons, the only frigate we have is from the world war 2 era.. Simply put, even if we have the money to buy advance ships, our navy dont have the necessary skills to operate and maintain it..


pre educate mo rin sarili mo... yung motor nga na ordinaryo pwede palitan ang makina at lagyan ng armas yung barko pa kaya? kung gagasto lang talaga ang gobyerno kahit "HEARSE" pwede lagyan ng sensor at armas... ang dali lang kaya maglagay ng sensors...  wew.... feeeling magaling yata pre 

think before you rant.. 

[tigerwing]

@Good Spy

Natawa nalang ako.. 

Papalitan ng makina? lalagyan ng armas? Anung akala mo dun kotse na pwede pa customize sa tabi-tabi?

And as you've said, "kung gagastos talaga ang gobyerno".. Ang tanong eh may pang gastos ba? Baka hindi mo alam kung magkano ang isang modern frigate.. And kung sakaling may pambili, tingin mo yung operations and maintainance ng mga modernong warships kapareho lang nung World War 2 era frigate na meron tayo? Again, do you even know the reason why the hamiltons was acquired? ( I've already said it on the post above yours)

Its quite evident na hindi mo talaga alam kung ano ang mga sinasabi mo.. I rest my case..
 

[pointblack]

they acquired the hamiltons for patrolling purposes not for combat operations...

[Good Spy]

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[kenji_kulet]

[ezraundag]

Masyadong negative itong si Good Spy 

[Good Spy]

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enidit pa comment ko... wew.... tangang mods

[churizo]

enidit pa comment ko... wew.... tangang mods

Kase daw wala namang sustansya pinagsasabi mo 

[gotenks]

iba iba kasi ang Navy Ships check mo yung set ng 7 fleet ng US

saka yung barko na yan na parang "passenger type" is gamit ng US Coast Guard nakikita ko yan dito sa lugar namin sa Bay Area

hindi naman kasi kelangan ng Coast Guard ng Power sa Barko , they mostly do guard near US soil

we live near the Coast Guard Island ( yan search mo sa google )

Coast Guard Island Alameda
Alameda, CA 94501
37.781286, -122.249486

and if you wanted to see the Historical USS Hornet

W Hornet Ave
Alameda, CA 94501
37.772317, -122.303067

No,Hamiltons were used outside the US in drug interdictions its a suitable in heavy seas. It was fitted with SSM's before and its just a stop gap to train the Philippine sailors for the next two modern frigates in the pipeline now.

[BlueAlphaZero]

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ang warship ng pinas parang passsenger ship lang na nilagyan ng armas sa gitna...   

I'm not entirely sure about this but I think--just think, mind you--that appearance means little in combat. Performance is what counts. If the ship can do whatever job for which it's meant, then appearances don't really matter much, do they?