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fieldy

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totoo bang mas mabilis connection pag naka business plan?

meron kase akong mini computer shop. balak ko pa lang ipa business plan pag dumating na yung business permit ko.

pansamantagal lang kase yung residential ko. nag inquire kase ako at sabi mas mabilis nga kase static IP pag business plan.

gusto ko lang maka siguro baka kase sales talk lang yun.

ano nga pala silbi ng static IP? sori noob lang. hehehe

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mas mabilis talaga ang business line.  ;)

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mostly pag residential dynamic IP (address changes everytime you connect), meaning more or less shared bandwidth. this is where the term up to in connection speeds come into play. example, up to 2mbps so you could be getting only 100kbps out of the 2mbps

pag static IP kasi (address never changes), sure ka na yun talaga ang speed, fixed and stable siya so more or less you enjoy the true speed of the plan (or something close to it since hindi naman talaga mamax yan). meron din CIR ang static IP (committed information rate) meaning may guaranteed speed na it will never be lower than that except kung down ang buong server

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mostly pag residential dynamic IP (address changes everytime you connect), meaning more or less shared bandwidth. this is where the term up to in connection speeds come into play. example, up to 2mbps so you could be getting only 100kbps out of the 2mbps

pag static IP kasi (address never changes), sure ka na yun talaga ang speed, fixed and stable siya so more or less you enjoy the true speed of the plan (or something close to it since hindi naman talaga mamax yan). meron din CIR ang static IP (committed information rate) meaning may guaranteed speed na it will never be lower than that except kung down ang buong server

Sir may dynamic ip rin sa business plan... Im 7 years internet shop owner.. I dont know pero intermitent yung connection kapag static.. So what pldt did binalik ako sa dynamic

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depende sa package na in-offer. me iba na mas mabilis ang business plan.

kailangan mo din i-check yung CIR (committed information rates) meaning yung pinakamabagal na pwedeng ibagal ng plan mo. kasi kahit na sabihin nilang 3Mbps yun kung minsan ang CIR is 300Kbps lang talaga. hindi ka makaangal kung hindi mo makuha yung maximum lagi.

check din kung static or dynamic ang ip kasi may ibang business rates na hindi static (kung balak mong mag-host ng service na nangangailangan ng static tulad ng servers or file storage).

though ang pansin ko lang mas mabilis sila rumesponde sa business plan kapag may issue.

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yup.. guaranteed mas mabilis reponse nila pag may issue business line mo , tapos mas "daw" mataas CIR...

2 kasi connection sa lan shop ko , isang small biz jr at isang plan 3k na residential.... yung sa residential pag nag down , ang tagal nilang ayusin , sa biz line.. the next day ok na




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I never said walang dynamic sa business, meron talaga dynamic IP sa business pero pansin niyo usually these are the lower plans. yung higher plans puro na yun static

as for the intermittent connection while on static, that is a problem on their side (probably hardware settings) and dapat hindi ka pumayag na ibalik ka sa dynamic if you were already on static IP. thats just a lazy excuse on their part and para matapos na agad problema.

eto example, dati bayan DSL gamit sa office, yung 1K something a month, the speed was just 256kbps pero static yun, the speed was almost usually max, the connection very stable. mas reliable pa yung 256kbps na connection na yun compared dun sa 1mbps dynamic IP sa residential (mabagal lang ang download pero stable hindi napuputol).

pero of course after several years (mga umabot ata 4 years), pinaputol na yung 256kbps and pinalitan ng bagong plan na mga 1k something a month parin (1.5mbps na ang speed now pero bayantel parin - mag 2 years na this year)

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Ssobrang ideal naman ng static IP na yan.mas mabilis talaga kung kaunti ang pc mo.they set number of pc para sa specific speed ng static IP sa internet mo..

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@sir bodieph

ok naman ba business plan ng bayantel? yung 1.5mb 1.4k/mo. balak ko ipalagay e.

kawawa kase mga naglalaro ng GG, pointblank at kung ano pang online games pg may nag youtube. tsk

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have 6mbps business plan from globe for only 3,600 paysos dynamic IP...cuz if static intermittent disconnection, so much of a hassle so tried the dynamic IP address and CHiCHiNG!!! ultimate gaming experience with youtube streaming and patching!


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pagka business line normally symmetrical ang speed. and you get bandwidth priority :D plus the SLA>

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pagka business line normally symmetrical ang speed. and you get bandwidth priority Cheesy plus the SLA>

common na gumagamit ng SLA e mga T1 connection and carrier class connection nakalimutan ko na ito


wala akong alam sa plan plan na yan at how it works or difference

the only thing I know

mas mabilis ang response nila pagdating sa technical troubleshooting kapag business plan kaysa residential plan


static IP common na gumagamit yan kapag may website ka not blogs or server or something kase kung gagamit ka ng dynamic IP maliligaw ang mga visitors mo

puro kung laro laro laro youtube iyotube redtube pwede na dynamic

alam ko may bayad na additional sa ibang bansa kapag pinagawang static IP ewan ko lang sa pinas 
 

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depende din siguro sa location yung bilis ng response ng tech. sa experience ko kasi within the day or next day na pinakamatagal bago mapuntahan kapag may problema ang residential DSL.

karamihan ng kakilala kong may Computer rental shop dito puro nakaresidential, mahal kasi kapag business plan.

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karamihan ng kakilala kong may Computer rental shop dito puro nakaresidential, mahal kasi kapag business plan.

yung business ng bayantel mura lang. 1.399 1.5mb. yun nga lang walang telepono.

up ko lang yung tanong ko kay sir bodieph.

medyo nalilito na rin ako. may mga nag sasabi na mas maganda business plan sa computer shop. yung iba naman mas maganda daw dynamic.

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gamit ko kase ngayon bayantel 1.5mb residential dynamic.

pansin ko laki ng ibinababa ng connection pag may ilang pc na ang naka bukas.

pag server lang ang naka bukas 1.3mb sya. pero pag may mga nag rent na bumababa hanggang 300kbps.

kaya parang balak ko mag pa business plan nalang dahil sabi nga ng iba dito stable daw?

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gamit ko kase ngayon bayantel 1.5mb residential dynamic.

pansin ko laki ng ibinababa ng connection pag may ilang pc na ang naka bukas.

pag server lang ang naka bukas 1.3mb sya. pero pag may mga nag rent na bumababa hanggang 300kbps.

kaya parang balak ko mag pa business plan nalang dahil sabi nga ng iba dito stable daw?
ano ba gamit mo router o hub?

sa PLDT kasi hindi bumababa ang speed ng residential kahit ilan ang nakabukas na PC. bumabagal lang sa ibang PC kapag may website na malakas kumain ng data, e.g. youtube at other streaming sites at DL. residential gamit ko from 2006 hanggang sa magsara yung shop ng 2010.

para naman macontrol mo rin yung data traffic na papasok sa bawat pc, set mo yung QoS ng router mo.

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d ako sure kung hub to o router e. pero nung bumili ako sabi ko router. hehe

yun nga. bumabagal pag may youtube o kahit anong video streaming tsaka maraming naka bukas na apps. pero stable naman pag surfing lang.

kaya balak ko mag static baka sakaling hindi na masyadong lag at bumagal yung mga naglalaro ng online gaming.

itatanong ko nalang kung paano iset yang Qos ng router kung router nga ba tong gamit ko. heehe

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paki post kung anong brand at model baka kasi di supported ang QoS

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Kung meron po kayong concern regarding sa PLDT, i am much more willing to help, been here for almost 6 years and hawak ko SME clients.

Office ko PLDT Sampaloc near Welcome Rotonda.

Bago na kasi MyDSL Plan namin pag dating sa BUSINESS PLAN.

lahat naka static IP na..

Pinamura ang plan pero pinataas ang bandwidth..

Hope makatulong ako.. thanks!
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yung 6 mbps natig 16k talaga pataas yun talaga pang call center parang high-way na ang daanan.
4mbps(5.5k) at 5mbps(10K) user here. ang CIR nito nag 960 kbps combined by dual wan.
yung 3(3.5k) mbps oki rin kaso dapa na sa wangames, pang lan games lang. dating static pero naging dynamic na.
nawalan tuloy ng loading station pero oki lang din.

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with regards bayantel, ok naman yung speed

if you ask me, I will always say static IP is the better choice. but it does come with disadvantages. example, since static yung IP mo, it never changes so if you have say download limits on a site, hindi ka makakalusot dun unless gumamit ka pa proxy. also, since static IP yan, you can be traced a lot easier at pag naban ang IP mo, you can no longer access the site unless you use proxy. whereas kung dynamic you wont experiece those problems

mas stable talaga static compared to dynamic. siguro sa internet cafe you wont notice it much since hindi naman stability habol ng mga users kundi burst speed at a certain time only. yung ibang nagsasabi na nagkaron sila ng intermittent connection on static, thats usually a hardware problem on the server side and one of the reasons they dont notice it on dynamic is that when such problems occur since dynamic and usually ang option is auto-negotiate, it will simply drop for about a few seconds then ok na ulit, whereas kung static since you keep on connecting to the same problematic hardware, paulit ulit yung problema mo

nangyari na yan dati sa akin, nagkaproblema yung ISP sa stability ng static IP nila, syempre hindi aamin yan na may problema. long story short, since they couldn't fix it, I switched. I then asked yung pinsan ko na nagtrabaho dun kung may problema ba talaga sa hardware and sabi niya meron daw talaga, hindi raw makita kung ano ang problema and eventually after several months nasolve when they replaced the hardware (or more like added hardware and redid the dp points, wirings, etc)

heres some info
http://whatismyipaddress.com/dynamic-static

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@toblerone supported ng Qos yung router ko. anung klase ng setting ang dapat kong gawin? maiba lang. bat nagsara shop mo pre? hehe

@bodieph thanks a lot sir bodieph. mukhang mas napupusuan ko ng palitan ng static connection ko. isa pa mas mura kase business plan. yun nga lang....

yung isang option ko kase ng upgrade ay 2.5mb 1.9k/mo. package with phone residential lang. pero parang mas gusto ko yung business plan 1.5mb 1.4k/mo. w/o phone. kase static ip nga.

medyo nililito kase ako ng kakilala ko na taga bayantel e. siya rin kase nagkabit at naglakad netong gamit ko ngayon. sabi nya di daw maganda static ng bayantel. mas ok daw dynamic. pero ang iniisip ko kaya siguro mas gusto nya yung residential na 2.5mb kase mas malaki kick back nya saken. sa business plan kase maliit ang kick back nya.

eto offer nya..

pag residential kase ang pinili ko 1.2k ang ibibigay ko sa kanya sa installation +300 daw sa cable na idudugtong kase nga palalabasin lang namin na residential kase nasa business area ako. +200 ulit dun sa mga magkakabit. bale 1.7k lahat damage.

pag business plan naman wala akong ibibigay na installation fee sa kanya dahil kasama daw sa monthly bill. tapos magbibigay nalang daw ako ng 500 para sa maglalakad ng temporary business permit sa kakilala nya para ma approve yung application kase on process pa kase yung totoong business permit ko. tapos +200 ulit sa mga magkakabit at +200 ulit dahil kelangan daw naka pangalan sa mag aaply yung proof of billing? ganun na ba talaga ngayon? dba kahit hindi nka pangalan sa applicant yung proof of billing ok lang? ang sabi nya mahigpit na daw ang bayantel ngayon kase globe na ang may ari. bale 900 lang damage ko pag business plan ang pinalakad ko sa kanya.

parang pinapaikot ikot nya lang kase ako na may kasamang sales talk na rin. pero ok lang naman kung may kick back sya para may pakonswelo naman kase sya naglalakad. yun nga lang parang pinapalaki nya kase yung kick back nya at parang ginagag0 ako e. tsaka parang dinidiscourage nya lang ako na wag kumuha ng business plan na nka static ng bayantel kase nga mas maliit makukuha nyang pera saken pag business plan kinuha ko kesa residential na marami syang kupit hehe.

ano sa tingin nyo? yung 2.5mb residential w/ phone 1.9k/mo. kukunin ko o yung 1.4k/mo. w/o phone na business plan?






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di ko na maalala yung sa QoS. by the time na natutunan ko sya thru espiya, nagsara na yung shop ko  laffman::

as for the reason, dumami na kumpetensya. dito na lang sa street namin 4 kaming computer rental shop dito. hindi na ganoon kaganda ang kita. maganda lang ang kita mo habang bago pa ang computer mo pero once na nag-upgrade yung kalabang shop, doon naman naglilipatan.

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well maganda yung residential plan in a sense that it offers a faster down speed. kung ang habol mo lang talaga is the speed then yes mas mabilis ang max speed offered ng residential plans. ang tanong dyan is stability and actual speeds. walang offered CIR ang residential

yung sa process of application, ang dami atang babayaran. if I remember correctly, ang need lang is business permit (kung single proprietorship), proof of billing. and merong installation fee na 1-2k (hindi ko na matandaan ang exact basta meron)

sa proof of billing kung sakali hindi sayo nakapangalan, you have to present something like contract (kung nakapangalan sa may ari ng building)

wala ka bang billing na sayo nakapangalan? mag aapply ka naman ng kuryente and tubig diba? you can use those

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eto yung requirements, nahanap ko yung papel na binigay ng bayantel dati

business permit or SEC
photocopy of signatory's valid ID
lease contract
proof of billing

regulated 220V ac power supply, including AVR, UPS
proper configuration of PC's
inter-facility cable runs

installation fee: 1999 or 499 for existing subscribers
eto ang packages
SOHO 1 mbps - 999 dynamic
net starter 1.5mbps - 1399 static
net starter 2.5mbps - 2599 static
net starter 3.5mbps - 3999 static
net starter 5mbps - 4999 static
net bizlite 10mbps - 6999 static
upstream are all up to 768kbps

add 300 monthly if you it bundled with a telephone line
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