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Espiya Lobby => College/Alumni Talk => : kaizukun August 18, 2009, 07:04:25 AM

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: kaizukun August 18, 2009, 07:04:25 AM: Are you agree with this statement:

"IT professionals cannot be called as PROFESSIONALS because they have no licensure exam..."

-sa akin lang, if you act ethically (according to I.T. code of ethics) lang towards your work eh, pwede kang tawaging professional.
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: d3m0nyito August 18, 2009, 07:06:57 AM: ako di ako IT...pero mas ok maging IT...kasi sa panahon ngayon e nasa IT ang pera...
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: ToyCar August 18, 2009, 07:16:36 AM: professional
n. person who works in a skilled occupation, specialist

1 a : of, relating to, or characteristic of a profession b : engaged in one of the learned professions c (1) : characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical standards of a profession (2) : exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace

c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return

IMO You don't have to possess license to be a professional. Not even in the dictionary was there ever mentioned professionals means possessing a valid license .. that's just crap toast::

I excel at what I do, I pretty know my craft by heart and I'm confident rendering services for an individual or corporation -- I am a professional!

:-*
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: Master Dave August 18, 2009, 07:30:12 AM: wala ngang licensure, napakarami naman certificates na pwedeng kunin.. kaya parang ganun na rin yun.. :D
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: weng151515 August 18, 2009, 07:44:05 AM: professional killers had no professional exams yet they were called professionals.
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: kaizukun August 18, 2009, 07:45:44 AM: : Master Dave August 18, 2009, 07:30:12 AM
wala ngang licensure, napakarami naman certificates na pwedeng kunin.. kaya parang ganun na rin yun.. :D

yun na nga minsan advantage natin. "certification" kaso may e coconsider tayo dito:

1. Few questionnaires(leakage) particularly CISCO can be found in internet. Ewan ko lang sa Microsoft if available din?
2. Mostly, certification can be consider as a product promotion.
* CISCO is a networking company. Bibili ka talaga ng products para maging certified.
* Microsoft naman, kailangan ka talaga gagamit ng Microsoft products pag certified ka at mae-expire pa ang certificates mo after few years. take na naman ulit.
* last, do you think magagamit mo certificates mo sa Microsoft pag aapply tayo sa rival company like SUN Microsystems?
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: August 18, 2009, 07:53:19 AM: Its all just papers.... what matters is how you get the job done. toast::
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: weng151515 August 18, 2009, 07:58:32 AM: tama mga bossing it's just all papers, it's how you use your knowledge and konting diskarte what matters most.
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: kaizukun August 18, 2009, 08:05:39 AM: : link=topic=100113.msg738523#msg738523 date=1250596399
Its all just papers.... what matters is how you get the job done. toast::

kaya nga nag post ako para marinig ko feedbacks nyo.. Computer Science kaya ako kaya against ako dito >:(
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: â™£Jabarâ™£ August 18, 2009, 08:29:08 AM: : link=topic=100113.msg738523#msg738523 date=1250596399
Its all just papers.... what matters is how you get the job done. toast::

Tama ka dyan toast::

I think ung nagsabe nun naiigit lang kasi IT is really booming now. Almost every company these days have an IT dept.
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: UrAnus August 18, 2009, 08:52:25 AM: sino ba nagsabi nito?
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: kuya_bastosÃ‚Â® August 18, 2009, 09:07:47 AM: mer0n naman semi b0ard yung IT ngay0n... PHILNITS exam... bihira lang nakakapass sa PHILNITS... ewan k0 kung bakit mer0n nang PHILNITS ngaun... per0 optional lang naman yan kung kukuha ka or hindi... per0 pag nagtake ka sa PHILNITS exam then nakapass ka... tyak!!! ganda ng kinabukasan m0...
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: Nosferatu August 18, 2009, 09:18:51 AM: Im a comsci grad, at wala akong pakialam kung hindi nila kami kinosonsider na "PROFESSIONALS" pataasan nalang ng sweldo okita at lawak ng fields na pwedeng pasokan. Ito lang ang masasabi ko - As long as may computer ang company Merong IT. toast::
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: brandon_jom August 18, 2009, 09:21:57 AM: Basta ko i'm doing my best as an IT Help Desk Support here in my company. Di na importante saken na tawagin kong Professional or Engineer. Diskarte, Experience at Self-Study. smoking::
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: kaizukun August 18, 2009, 09:25:22 AM: : kuya_bastos August 18, 2009, 09:07:47 AM
mer0n naman semi b0ard yung IT ngay0n... PHILNITS exam... bihira lang nakakapass sa PHILNITS... ewan k0 kung bakit mer0n nang PHILNITS ngaun... per0 optional lang naman yan kung kukuha ka or hindi... per0 pag nagtake ka sa PHILNITS exam then nakapass ka... tyak!!! ganda ng kinabukasan m0...

oo nga pero kahit computer eng'g pwede sa philnits if i'm not mistaken?
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: kaizukun August 18, 2009, 09:26:56 AM: : tlaurencet August 18, 2009, 08:52:25 AM
sino ba nagsabi nito?

nabasa ko po sa book na ETHICS published by thomson publishing...
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: n1colas August 18, 2009, 09:32:08 AM: Ang nasa papel, di na importante para sakin. Pwedeng galing sa seatmate yun o kodigo. Ang importante kung ano ang laman ng utak & experience. Knowledge is power. It can even be passed onto the next gen.
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: kaizukun August 18, 2009, 09:33:39 AM: : n1colas August 18, 2009, 09:32:08 AM
Ang nasa papel, di na importante para sakin. Pwedeng galing sa seatmate yun o kodigo. Ang importante kung ano ang laman ng utak & experience. Knowledge is power. It can even be passed onto the next gen.

hinoon, sakto jud ka!! samot na cisco.. daghan source sa cisco-training.net
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: carlocarr August 18, 2009, 09:37:18 AM: as long as your good at being an IT then you can be called a professional..well para sa akin ah ahhehee

OT:mag oojt na ako eh.. san ba mas maganda.. sa Central Bank o sa Teletech(call center company).. need some feedback guys..ahehe
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: xeoxander01 August 18, 2009, 09:40:08 AM: : Ã¢â„¢Â£JabarÃ¢â„¢Â£ August 18, 2009, 08:29:08 AM
I think ung nagsabe nun naiigit lang kasi IT is really booming now. Almost every company these days have an IT dept.

cguro nursing ang nag sabi sir.. hahaha.. no offense ha.. ito opinion ko lang.. kasi ang hirap ng kurso nila, magastos pah mg aral sa dami ng requirements, libro, uniforms at iba pang ka ek-ekan na kailangan bayaran, hirap pa ng board exam tas kala-unan, RN ka nga pero tambay ka nman kasi wala masyadong opportunities.. kaya sa call center ang bagsak.. eh sa IT kahit nga di ka nka graduate eh, yayaman ka parin.. yung gumawa ng friendster at facebook ay mga college dropouts.. not to mention bill gates of microsoft and his arch nemesis steve jobs of apple.. who didnt even have a college diploma let alone a license.. pero tingnan mo sila ngayon.. eh may exam bah silang pinasa or lisensya na nakuha para umasenso??.. wala!! NASA DUGO LANG YAN.. laffman::
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: kaizukun August 18, 2009, 09:45:31 AM: : carlocarr August 18, 2009, 09:37:18 AM
as long as your good at being an IT then you can be called a professional..well para sa akin ah ahhehee

OT:mag oojt na ako eh.. san ba mas maganda.. sa Central Bank o sa Teletech(call center company).. need some feedback guys..ahehe

wag sa call center bro... if nasa cebu ka (hasol kaayo oi!)..mas maganda pag bangko lalo na IT.. may silbi pa finance at accounting mo..hehehe
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: kaizukun August 18, 2009, 09:46:45 AM: : xeoxander01 August 18, 2009, 09:40:08 AM
cguro nursing ang nag sabi sir.. hahaha.. no offense ha.. ito opinion ko lang.. kasi ang hirap ng kurso nila, magastos pah mg aral sa dami ng requirements, libro, uniforms at iba pang ka ek-ekan na kailangan bayaran, hirap pa ng board exam tas kala-unan, RN ka nga pero tambay ka nman kasi wala masyadong opportunities.. kaya sa call center ang bagsak.. eh sa IT kahit nga di ka nka graduate eh, yayaman ka parin.. yung gumawa ng friendster at facebook ay mga college dropouts.. not to mention bill gates of microsoft and his arch nemesis steve jobs of apple.. who didnt even have a college diploma let alone a license.. pero tingnan mo sila ngayon.. eh may exam bah silang pinasa or lisensya na nakuha para umasenso??.. wala!! NASA DUGO LANG YAN.. laffman::

ingat sa language po sir!!! ma assasinate tayo nyan!!! whahaha ::lmao
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: carlocarr August 18, 2009, 10:14:04 AM: : kaizukun August 18, 2009, 09:45:31 AM
wag sa call center bro... if nasa cebu ka (hasol kaayo oi!)..mas maganda pag bangko lalo na IT.. may silbi pa finance at accounting mo..hehehe
baket wag sa call center?? kahet OJT lang? panget ba dun? :-(
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: UrAnus August 18, 2009, 10:22:38 AM: : kaizukun August 18, 2009, 09:26:56 AM
nabasa ko po sa book na ETHICS published by thomson publishing...

anung title nang book at mabasa nga at ma open up sa thompson.. eh bakit yung doktor na dito sa pinas kumuha ng exam eh profressional dito pag sa america hindi kinoconsider? d ba dapat "professional" din sila dun kasi "professional" sila dito? Dapat magnu-nursing dn para makatrabahu sa america. being "professional" is more on a persons competency not on the licenses etc.. Licensed individuals as they said are professionals because they passed the board exam or any exams proving they are competent...
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: kaizukun August 18, 2009, 10:24:15 AM: : carlocarr August 18, 2009, 10:14:04 AM
baket wag sa call center?? kahet OJT lang? panget ba dun? :-(

aww, e try mu lang... tapos na ako ng OJT... let yourself discover nalang para challenge. mas maganda tlaga pag programming firm.. if nasa cebu ka, sa PAL ka mag ojt.. pagagawin ka ng system programs dun!
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: dantot August 18, 2009, 11:06:25 AM: : kaizukun August 18, 2009, 07:45:44 AM
yun na nga minsan advantage natin. "certification" kaso may e coconsider tayo dito:

1. Few questionnaires(leakage) particularly CISCO can be found in internet. Ewan ko lang sa Microsoft if available din?
2. Mostly, certification can be consider as a product promotion.
* CISCO is a networking company. Bibili ka talaga ng products para maging certified.
* Microsoft naman, kailangan ka talaga gagamit ng Microsoft products pag certified ka at mae-expire pa ang certificates mo after few years. take na naman ulit.
* last, do you think magagamit mo certificates mo sa Microsoft pag aapply tayo sa rival company like SUN Microsystems?

icoconsider ko ang pagiging professional ko without a doubt kesyo may petty leakages sa internet, kung sa Bar exams man e available why question the fact na available ang leakages nang Cisco sa internet, eto lang naman yan eh umasa ka man sa leakages lalabas pa ren kung alin talaga ang skill nang totoong nag aral
just a point of view

another thing to think about is why would you prefer to apply sa considered mo palang rival nang skills na namaster mo,kaya ka nga nag focus dun because you aim to work with it,and if totoo kang IT you would definitely understand that you are inclined with the fast pace of development sa career mo so you do not mind if few years later eh magtake ka ulet...

just a thought
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: jake_herras August 18, 2009, 11:29:43 AM: ako certified comp tech lang eh pero yung mga IT saka computer engineer na kakilala ko sa kin pag nagtatanong lalo na pag may mga trouble pc.
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: dantot August 18, 2009, 11:36:34 AM: maybe they are not focus sa part na yun bro
wala lang nag comment lang ako to point out that there is nothing wrong about it....
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: UrAnus August 18, 2009, 11:44:50 AM: coming from the I.T. Industry, certifications are not a guarantee of a good job.. if you have a pretty good and wider experience, mas pipiliin pa rin yung mas malawak yung experience.. Pero, may mga certifications talagang sa sobrang hirap ay malaki ang chance mung makakapasok pag napasa mo to.. one example is the RHCE...
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: -=Kurabo=- August 18, 2009, 11:50:53 AM: : Ã¢â„¢Â£JabarÃ¢â„¢Â£ August 18, 2009, 08:29:08 AM

Tama ka dyan toast::

I think ung nagsabe nun naiigit lang kasi IT is really booming now. Almost every company these days have an IT dept.

actually hindi mabubuhay ang mga company ngayon kung wala ang IT.. sila ang backbone ng industry at kapag wala IT bagsak lahat ng company.. actually nakaranas na ako ng ibang pangmamalait dahil sa IT lang ako..nakakabadtrip pero at the same time naawa ako sa kanila kasi pakiramdam ko nasasabi nila yun kasi ignorante sila.. actually nung una ayaw ko rin sa IT.. nagsabi pa ako na indi ako magIIT pero tinapos ko ngayon IT ;D.. pero ngayon after ko natapos IT.. sasabihin ko tanga lang ang magsasabi ang walang kwenta IT.. kasi kung wala kang alam at ignorante sa mga bagay.. masasabi mo talaga yun..

nabasa ko nga sa yahoo.. mas may edge ngayon ang mga IT & engineers kasi more in technical side sila compared dun sa mga nagtake ng non-technical.. mas mahirap daw makahanp ngayon ang mga non-technical ng trabaho.. karamihan daw ng unemplyed ngayon is yung mga non-technical..

as of now nagplaplano ako magtake ng CISCO kaso magiipon muna kasi mahal talaga.. sana matapos ko yung hanggang level 4 within 4 years :D
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: 123kid123 August 18, 2009, 12:10:48 PM: What if you're considered "professional"?

What if you're not considered "professional"?

What are the advantages of being considered a "professional"?
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: ipcmlr August 18, 2009, 02:25:05 PM: I.T. ako at eto ang sakin.

Kung dun sa broad meaning ng professional na "highly educated, mostly salaried workers, who enjoy considerable work autonomy, economic security, a comfortable salary, and are commonly engaged in creative and intellectually challenging work." papasa yung I.T.

Pero dun sa lumang sense ng word kasi may professions na naka designate (doctors, lawyers, engineers, pharmacists,etc) Ayun, di dun papasa:)

Anyway, kahit di ko na talaga feel mag I.T. at nakaka bwisit na din sya at least binigyan nya ako ng professional-like salary at professional-like job security.
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: â™£Jabarâ™£ August 18, 2009, 04:50:48 PM: Pa OT

Ngaun ko lang napansin dmeng IT dito sa bahay naten ah :o
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: dantot August 18, 2009, 07:23:49 PM: : 123kid123 August 18, 2009, 12:10:48 PM
What if you're considered "professional"?

What if you're not considered "professional"?

What are the advantages of being considered a "professional"?

sir! ako sir! tawagin mo ko(nakataas ang kamay na nagmamadaling sumagot)
sir 123kid123
"being distinguished as a professional has an advantages towards the ff:
1.Respect
2.Quality of Product/Service provided (i.e. 2 branded phone same name and packaging one is from Finland the other from China,(Finland)Designed by Professional ,(China)produce Immitations ).
3.Price of Product/Service

tama po ba? ;D
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: eroyubi August 18, 2009, 07:52:10 PM: anyone skilled on there job or area of interest can be called a professional...
IT dn ako..
may license k b dapat pra matawag na professional? lolz cguro its one way to sort out ung mga tao kaya meh mga board exams, licensure exams. etc.. it can help
pero for us IT or comsci... You can be a professional in many ways..
you can acquire certification exams of any IT field.. the more the better.
you can even have a salary GREATER than a licensed professional (ex. nurse, engineer) toast::

basta meh

diskarte
experience
hardwork
knowledge
skills
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: jog_trip August 18, 2009, 08:42:36 PM: : kaizukun August 18, 2009, 07:04:25 AM
Are you agree with this statement:

"IT professionals cannot be called as PROFESSIONALS because they have no licensure exam..."

-sa akin lang, if you act ethically (according to I.T. code of ethics) lang towards your work eh, pwede kang tawaging professional.

Paano magkakaroon ng licensure exam, every now and then may bagong update sa Information technology,
Yung bang may licensure exam, nauupdate ba yung technology in terms sa FIELD of SPECIALIZATION nila?
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: NE0 August 18, 2009, 09:16:41 PM: IT professionals cannot be called as PROFESSIONALS because they have no licensure exam.

Ito ang pinaka bobong statement na nakita ko sa buong buhay ko... Hahahaha!!! ::lmao

Beep Beep po sa nag post, I am not saying na ikaw ang gumawa ng statement, baka iba ang pasok sa iyo ng sinabi ko, no offense pare.
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: dyeeLoo August 18, 2009, 10:30:02 PM: We're just reacting on sh!t....

All of us knew that we are Professionals so a sh!t like him, who is not in our field or has no knowledge on how we do things, have no right to call us "UN-PROFESSIONALS!!!"

i hope this ends the thread...

>:( >:( >:(
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: RiderX_23 August 18, 2009, 11:10:25 PM: alam nyo ba kung bakit hindi pwede mag-licensure exam ang mga "IT Professionals/Teachers/Students" etc.... sapagkat... every second, minute, hour, day, week, & year... nagbabago ang mga technologies natin.... ibig sabihin non hindi naman pwede araw-araw may licensure exam ang mga taga-IT... edi nabaliw na mga yan.... ok lang ba kayo... hindi ba nyo naiintindihan... araw-araw may bagong cellphones/gadgets, software, robots, pati programmers nagbabago rin yung mga gamit nilang programming languages... araw-araw may bagong hackers... ok lang ba kayo... hay naku... kung tutuusin mas matalino pa nga sila eh kasi araw-araw may bago at araw-araw may meron natutunan... yung iba kung may bago man isang taon, decade, century.. kaya ganun at walang licensure exam ang mga IT... Mas professionals pa mga yan kesa sa iba... ok..??? ok lang ba kayo... hay naku... mag-research muna bago mag-comment.... at mag-post.... sa tingin hindi nyo alam ang mga sinasabi nyo.... ganun lang yon.... ok?...
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: The Dark Knight August 18, 2009, 11:25:42 PM: professional..it's how you do your work...IMO

proud ComSci of AMACC Makati ako...but i cannot call my self professional, kasi panay chat, Espiya, camfrog, download music, movies and kung ano-ano pa, play PC games, wala ako hilig sa online games kc..:D...ito ginagawa ko sa ofc...(hirap pag small office,and maayos ang set-up)..;D...of course i can say "untouchable" ako, i'm always late, but never ako umabsent, i'll handle all communication needs at the office...data and voice....wala lang...

perks of being an IT...sila all block, ikaw hindi, even those "close" to you...you can "read" their emails, or snoop on them (if you want, and if you are that bad)..;D...and among others... ;D

and it doesnt mean, walang "licensure exam" hindi na professional....
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: Ibilam_pogi August 19, 2009, 12:23:28 AM: uu nga we are not professional but because of us work is done with minimal time even in your communications
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: chirick August 19, 2009, 12:56:21 AM: : jog_trip August 18, 2009, 08:42:36 PM

Paano magkakaroon ng licensure exam, every now and then may bagong update sa Information technology,
Yung bang may licensure exam, nauupdate ba yung technology in terms sa FIELD of SPECIALIZATION nila?

I think na uupdate, thru training & seminars, required na makakuha nang points bago maka renew katulad nang sa pag attend attend sa mga seminars , as Engr. man or RN. (kelangan kami makasabay sa new trends)

Pero hindi mo maikakaila, mas maraming offers sa IT kesa nurse dito sa pinas. or masado na silang madami dito kaya madami talaga ang RN na walang work.

di naman ako 100% tama, sa alam ko ganun. ::secret
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: kaizukun August 19, 2009, 04:23:23 AM: : NE0 August 18, 2009, 09:16:41 PM
IT professionals cannot be called as PROFESSIONALS because they have no licensure exam.

Ito ang pinaka bobong statement na nakita ko sa buong buhay ko... Hahahaha!!! ::lmao

Beep Beep po sa nag post, I am not saying na ikaw ang gumawa ng statement, baka iba ang pasok sa iyo ng sinabi ko, no offense pare.

Bro, ako nag post nito kasi ayoko ang nabasa ko sa book na ito:

ETHICS in Iformation Technology by George Reynolds: Page 35

I am a Computer Science kaya medyo di makatwiran statement ng author sa akin.
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: kaizukun August 19, 2009, 04:26:36 AM: : dyeeLoo August 18, 2009, 10:30:02 PM
We're just reacting on sh!t....

All of us knew that we are Professionals so a sh!t like him, who is not in our field or has no knowledge on how we do things, have no right to call us "UN-PROFESSIONALS!!!"

i hope this ends the thread...

>:( >:( >:(

Read this book sh!t: Ethics in Information Technology by George Reynolds.. page 35

kaya nga nag post kasi di makatwiran ang statement at para malaman ang reactions naming nasa IT industry!
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: kaizukun August 19, 2009, 04:30:15 AM: : mrjkolero August 18, 2009, 11:10:25 PM
alam nyo ba kung bakit hindi pwede mag-licensure exam ang mga "IT Professionals/Teachers/Students" etc.... sapagkat... every second, minute, hour, day, week, & year... nagbabago ang mga technologies natin.... ibig sabihin non hindi naman pwede araw-araw may licensure exam ang mga taga-IT... edi nabaliw na mga yan.... ok lang ba kayo... hindi ba nyo naiintindihan... araw-araw may bagong cellphones/gadgets, software, robots, pati programmers nagbabago rin yung mga gamit nilang programming languages... araw-araw may bagong hackers... ok lang ba kayo... hay naku... kung tutuusin mas matalino pa nga sila eh kasi araw-araw may bago at araw-araw may meron natutunan... yung iba kung may bago man isang taon, decade, century.. kaya ganun at walang licensure exam ang mga IT... Mas professionals pa mga yan kesa sa iba... ok..??? ok lang ba kayo... hay naku... mag-research muna bago mag-comment.... at mag-post.... sa tingin hindi nyo alam ang mga sinasabi nyo.... ganun lang yon.... ok?...

magbasa ka sa book na ito kung magbabasa ka man! ETHICS in Information Technology by George Reynolds page 35! kaya nga nag post kasi medyo unfair ang author at malaman ang reaction ng kapwa nasa IT industry! lolz >:(
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: dyeeLoo August 19, 2009, 05:20:44 AM: : kaizukun August 19, 2009, 04:26:36 AM

Read this book sh!t: Ethics in Information Technology by George Reynolds.. page 35

kaya nga nag post kasi di makatwiran ang statement at para malaman ang reactions naming nasa IT industry!

ohh sorry am not pertaining to you, but to the person who wrote the book...

am sorry, my bad...
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: maveriq96 August 19, 2009, 10:15:09 AM: comp sci ako graduate....then kumuha ako ng education units, saka ako kumuha ng "professional" board exam for teachers last 2000, so "IT professionals" din tawag dun.... :D
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: bong2x78 August 19, 2009, 11:12:46 AM: gandang araw 0 gabi...

sakin eh ibang at mka bagong field and IT. Like other non board degrees.. you can be called professionals by the time you graduate and since there is no regulating body like PRC, when it comes to quality of graduates, it really matters if what school you finish your non board degree.

Mahirap lagyan ng board ang IT or ICT degree since there is no ACCEPTED body of knowledge in ICT. halimbawa, ang systema ng pagaaply ko ng ICT is effectively working with me, and may not be effectively working with some other else.. although it is said there is no accepted body of knowledge BUT in ICT we have BEST PRACTICES..

cheers.. toast::
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: ipcmlr August 19, 2009, 11:28:32 AM: yup. medyo mahirap yung licensure exam para sa i.t. specialized e.
kunyari ako kailangan ko ng licensure exam para sa oracle dba na iba ibang version ng oracle.
ngayon nag support na din ako ng cognos.
dami kasing specialization at kanya kanya brand ng produkto.
so mahirap...
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: 123kid123 August 20, 2009, 03:46:21 AM: I still don't understand why people argue over _this_. One way or the other, you're going to be the same person. You're not being denied of something important. It's not even a title. What I'm trying to say is, stop setting yourself on fire.
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: TJHan August 20, 2009, 05:46:30 AM: pag graduate ng comscie ang tawag sa kanya SCIENTIST!!
pag IT naman ang tawag sa kanya Technologist!!

pero kiding aside dapat matawag ka professional kung nagparactice ka sa iyong field at may na achive ka na significant

matatawag mo bang IT proffessional ang Comscie grad na naging clerk or encoder? diba over qualified sya?

so pag fresh grad tawag sayo Noob hehehe joke
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: Pall-Eren-Mnr August 20, 2009, 05:55:48 AM: paano mo kaya lalagyan ng board exam ang mga nagtapos ng IT

sa sobrang daming pwedeng pagkuhanan, mababaliw ang kukuha ng test niya. not to mention na nagbabago rin ang techology natin every year

kaya dun sa author niya, mag IT muna siya bago niya sabihin yan 8)
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: kaizukun August 20, 2009, 03:15:13 PM: : Pall-Eren-Mnr August 20, 2009, 05:55:48 AM
paano mo kaya lalagyan ng board exam ang mga nagtapos ng IT

sa sobrang daming pwedeng pagkuhanan, mababaliw ang kukuha ng test niya. not to mention na nagbabago rin ang techology natin every year

kaya dun sa author niya, mag IT muna siya bago niya sabihin yan 8)

You have a point there!!! powtek talaga tong si george reynolds! nagsusulat pa sa Ethics for IT book pa! ::lmao
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: 123kid123 August 20, 2009, 03:18:41 PM: Can you quote the at least the paragraph where the said line is mentioned? Thank you.
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: liquid metal August 20, 2009, 09:56:22 PM: the main reason why IT or other computer-based courses have no board exams is because the trend/development in this fields are rapid that it is impossible to set a standard.....

di porque hindi ka naka pag board eh,di ka na pwede tawaging PROFESSIONAL....napaka demeaning naman yata ang statement na yan...

i'm a graduating IT student and one of the reasons why i choose this course eh dahil wala itong board!!

toast:: toast::
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: fujimiya August 21, 2009, 07:06:36 AM: Sana ang tawag sa mga teacher e teaching professionals, sa mga nars e nursing professionals, at sa mga engineer e engineering professionals? Di naman di ba? Ehe.
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: dantot August 21, 2009, 10:20:22 PM: : 123kid123 August 20, 2009, 03:46:21 AM
I still don't understand why people argue over _this_. One way or the other, you're going to be the same person. You're not being denied of something important. It's not even a title. What I'm trying to say is, stop setting yourself on fire.

Pa OT:
one piece of advice idol, stop being concern about how others are handling their point of view and how they make a living out of it,

Professional na considered ang mga IT and Compscie's to think that they spent most of their time studying their art(unless tambay ka nang comp shop and hindi related sa degree mo ang pinagkaka abalahan mo)...
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: _Wired_ August 22, 2009, 01:41:30 AM: cno may sabi nito? at matuktukan ko ng sandok ng palamig sa noo... ::lmao
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: jd2105 August 22, 2009, 01:47:54 AM: as long na nagamit mo yung pinag aralan mo pwede ka tawagin na PROFESSIONAL..like me im an I.T. support technician sa company namin halos lahat ng gagawin sa loob ng office nakadepende sa systems kaya hindi lang basta basta ang mga I.T. geeks..para sa mga co spy na I.T. always remember, we are the BACK BONE of the company.. ::inposition
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: 123kid123 August 22, 2009, 02:26:20 AM: I'm sure the topic starter misunderstood what the author is trying to say. It's a single line that belongs in a book and I believe there is something missing here. You can say apples are boring but that doesn't mean you don't like it. You can write a chapter about how boring an apple is and follow it up with a dozen chapters to say how it is not.

In the first place, it's a stupid topic. Like what I said before, stop setting yourself on fire. You'll only burn yourself. Not the person beside you and not the person who wrote the misinterpreted line.

Even if there will be a law that states IT people are considered "professionals", do you get an extra dollar? No. You'll be the same person.
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: dantot August 22, 2009, 08:57:21 AM: But sir don't forget that its the acknowledgement of being a Professional that's why people in this topic is giving their opinion...but then again if the topic seems stupid for you...

why bother read it?? ???
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: 123kid123 August 22, 2009, 10:29:04 AM: @dantot - So, what do a professional get?

Like what I pointed out before, even though I find the topic and reactions stupid, it still interest me. And now I have to repeat what I said a post before because people here are going to bark at me for calling their opinions stupid.

First of all, the quote given or rather the incomplete line given is part of a book, which is about IT ethics. So, didn't it occur to you that it was said in a different way like setting up a good chapter or point or a complement to IT people?

Topic starter didn't even post the entire sentence.

I have read the book that's why I'm asking the topic starter to quote as much as he or she can. After he or she have done that, you'll know why I call it stupid.
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: dantot August 22, 2009, 03:18:10 PM: @123kid123

Point taken since you have claimed you already have knowledge about the book itself where the said statement was just a part of it.

But with this statement comes with that idea that the topic starter was trying to imply, i also think that being able to prove someone or something is the whole idea of this topic.

Since it is about claiming the rights to be acknowledge, it may not be about being another person but its all for the sake of being acknowledge so that someone will believe you that you are what you wanted to be known for..

A very good example is you sir 123kid123, in this topic you are claiming that you have first hand knowledge of the statement from the book because you have read about the book while some of us just gave our own opinion with or without reading the book meaning maybe some of us just provide a "inside the box" idea of the said statement as what you have been trying to point out or shall i say how i have read and understand about your point.And in return i believe in you since said it and strongly claim to be knowledgeable about it.

And another thing if you don't really care about being called a Professional, then that's your problem. However, Some of us really do. And we really have the right to be called that way for we have given sufficient time, effort and money just for the sake of being identified as TOP of the CLASS PROFESSIONAL
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: 123kid123 August 22, 2009, 03:35:21 PM: @dantot - So, do your superiors or clients treat you less than what you deserve because you are not considered a "professional"? Are you being denied of some benefits like insurance or increase or promotion because you are not considered a "professional"?

My reply to your answer: My point exactly.
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: dantot August 22, 2009, 08:10:44 PM: @123kid123

again my friend your missing the point here, your basis is for beneficiary purposes may it be about the job itself or the money involve...

if you were to disregard the fact of having the title "Professional" next to someones name maybe i could suggest that you put a thorough analysis why there is a difference between pure talent and years of studies may it be in academics or experience. Furthermore i can no longer tell how hard it is to reach your level of expectations towards others but this i say to you, it is very rare i stumbled upon such intelligence like yours. That is at the very least i could show you how i appreciate your opinion

still you really don't put things the way your "ideal" mind wants it to be... if you do, do it in your own world.

it is your way , that's why i don't have the rights to argue with that.

but when you go out of the bounds it's another story.

i can't also suggest others to believe either one of us, it is for them what to pick on what is serve infront of them

well other than i have in my mind and those that i chose to share i think it is my final point...

you think you're right then live with it

if i might be wrong then i'll live with it
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: 123kid123 August 23, 2009, 12:51:03 AM: @up -

Papers (certificates, resumes, etc) are irrelevant once you're already in the industry.

Second point, why don't you waste time to read the exact written words in the damn book? Say you're being sarcastic in your praises, I read the damn book. I have an informed overall opinion here.

Ok, let me have an interactive explanation here.

1) Do you consider yourself a "professional"?
2) Do you think your working environment treat or view you as a "professional"?

Your answer will be yes and yes. No one said you're not.

3) Did the topic starter misquoted and further mislead you? Yes.

Like I said before, no one is questioning you but yourself.
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: mikester August 23, 2009, 07:12:53 AM: wow english ang labanan. toast:: toast:: toast::
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: dantot August 23, 2009, 09:23:26 AM: @123kid123

you are indeed mislead by your own self centered point of view...

you show so much disgust on what you see for yourself is IRRELEVANT while for others consider it relevant at some point.

why i on the other hand trying to tell you that it is for them to do their own petty talk, for them it is a point of view and you can do nothing about it... except you run as an official of this country, legislate a rule regarding how people around you should consider things the way you consider would be right...

I am not particularly talking about the changes of the norm as to be pertained a "Professional"

I was trying to let you know that it would really feel good "somehow" for "someone" to be distinct..

If dealing with your own problems regarding your weakness means dealing with other people's weakness well it is your problem not mine and i hope you'll be fine soon enough to realize you're doing more damage than solving it.

Yet still i do expect from you that you would point this out ... No matter who has the prettier face,they still have the same domain , They are HUMANS... i already got it no need to put a interactive question (interactive eh, why'd you already answered for me duh ???)

P.S.
We are free to express any opinions, we are also free to commit mistakes and stand to be corrected, but please show some respect when you do.Be polite at the very least as if it would hurt you.
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: DjDaveTrance August 23, 2009, 10:43:30 AM: Padaan lang po!!! smoking::
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: 123kid123 August 23, 2009, 10:57:28 AM: @dantot - So basically what you were saying was off topic? I'm only going to say this as simple and boring as I can:

I don't understand what you just said in your last 3 or so posts. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

So, you still haven't read the book or the chapter in question? Yeah, I figured. I'm arguing based on facts. Sadly, your statements are too damn general and boring. No facts, no details which ultimately lead me to #$#@$.
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: 123kid123 August 23, 2009, 11:12:06 AM: Mag-tagalog na ako kasi medyo nahihirapan ako umintindi.

Una - Walang nagsabi na hindi skilled workers ang mga nagtatrabaho sa industriya ng I.T. Kulang ang quote o binigay na linya ng topic starter. Dahil dito, nagkakaroon ng hindi pagkakaintindihan.

Uulitin ko, walang nagsabi.

Pangalawa - May mga benipisyo ba na hindi nakukuha ang mga nagtatrabaho sa industriya ng I.T. dahil hindi sila "professional" o "skilled workers"? Walang benipisyo dahil sa unang punto pa lang, walang nagsabi na hindi sila "skilled workers" o "professional. Walang nagsabi.

Walang diskriminasyon. Dahil sa kulang na quote, kayo mismo ang gumagawa ng isyu. Sinisindihan niyo ng apoy ang sarili ninyo. Hindi ang mga clients niyo, hindi mga boss niyo, hindi mga kaibigan niyo na nasa labas ng industriya, kung hindi, kayo lang ang nagsasabi.
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: 123kid123 August 23, 2009, 11:13:56 AM: @dantot - Nabasa ko ang libro. Alam ko na hindi pinapalabas ng nagsulat ang "quoted" na linya. Ikaw nabasa mo ba?
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: 123kid123 August 23, 2009, 11:22:56 AM: @dantot - Kung may gusto ka sabihin, sabihin mo ng diretso at tagalog. Kung ingles man, paki lagyan naman ng detalye o details. Kasi medyo umiiwas ka sa hinahanap mo'ng gulo. Huwag ka na magpasikot-sikot. Huwag mo na rin sabihin na in-topic ang mga replies mo. Unang-una, hindi mo pa nababasa ang libro na tinutukoy ng topic starter. Sa madaling salita, walang laman ang replies mo at puro ewan ewan lang.

Huwag mo na ipilit na ipa-ban ako. Minsan ka na nagtangka, sablay naman. Ikaw pa mismo ang pinagtawanan.

Ayoko sa lahat yung duwag.

Uulitin ko, hindi mo nabasa ang libro. Ako nabasa ko at alam ko na hindi yun ang pinapalabas ng nagsulat. Ikaw hindi mo nabasa kaya walang laman ang salita mo. Oo, kaya ko sinasabi na tigilan na nila ang pagtatalo dito dahil unang una pa lang hindi totoo ang kanilang pinagtatalunan.
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: DjDaveTrance August 23, 2009, 11:26:19 AM: 123kid123 naiintindihan kita na buhay mo ang makikipag debate sa ibang tao and its your rights.
Pero remember meron karing rights to follow our FORUM RULES
( Di lang Rights, Obligation to be exact)
Id suggest that you compile all your reply. Or wait for any responses from your Post.

smoking::

I dont want you to be in the list of (http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss318/paengkaba/thspamanm.gif)MERS
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: dantot August 23, 2009, 06:24:26 PM: : 123kid123 August 23, 2009, 11:12:06 AM
Mag-tagalog na ako kasi medyo nahihirapan ako umintindi.

Una - Walang nagsabi na hindi skilled workers ang mga nagtatrabaho sa industriya ng I.T. Kulang ang quote o binigay na linya ng topic starter. Dahil dito, nagkakaroon ng hindi pagkakaintindihan.

Uulitin ko, walang nagsabi.

Pangalawa - May mga benipisyo ba na hindi nakukuha ang mga nagtatrabaho sa industriya ng I.T. dahil hindi sila "professional" o "skilled workers"? Walang benipisyo dahil sa unang punto pa lang, walang nagsabi na hindi sila "skilled workers" o "professional. Walang nagsabi.

Walang diskriminasyon. Dahil sa kulang na quote, kayo mismo ang gumagawa ng isyu. Sinisindihan niyo ng apoy ang sarili ninyo. Hindi ang mga clients niyo, hindi mga boss niyo, hindi mga kaibigan niyo na nasa labas ng industriya, kung hindi, kayo lang ang nagsasabi.

@Sir DJdavetrance

excuse me po sir, peace po magbibigay lang ako sa aking kaibigan si 123kid123 nang aking huling punto dahil po nararamdaman kong ako po ay kanya nang na pinepersonal,pagtatanggol ko lang po punto ko para sa topic na to.

@123kid123

Peace po sir nang huminahon ka nang kaunti , kung sa tingin mo panalo sa argument mo fine you have that, sinabi ko naman na, if you were right then you can live with it and if i am wrong i'll find a way to live with it .

but for one last time i have been trying to remind yet you never take a second to look at it,
petty talk po ito nang ibang mga espiya members besides from those who have a first hand knowledge sa mismong book na pinanggalingan nga nang statement na pinagdedebatehan po ng mga nakabasa at nakapag comment na sa Topic
which is you on the other hand trying to imply na this topic is useless, irrelevant and kung anu pa man yan na nais mong idescribe.

may nakalimutan ka lang po kasi talaga din 123kid123
eto po oh,
Are you agree with this statement:

"IT professionals cannot be called as PROFESSIONALS because they have no licensure exam..."

-sa akin lang, if you act ethically (according to I.T. code of ethics) lang towards your work eh, pwede kang tawaging professional.
tapos title of the thread eto po oh
For I.T.'s and Compscie's

so definitely ang target po nang TS is general opinion from espiya members
hindi po pataasan nang wiwi like who have read about the book and who haven't

now para nanaman po sa iyong ultimate starstruck questions,

1. Wala pala nagsasabi nang kung sino po ang Skilled worker sa hindi eh, bakit ka po GIGIL? kahit ako hindi ko sinabing about skilled eh, ang sabi ko about being called "Professional"... asan topic ka po ba? naligaw ka naman...

2.nanjan ka nanaman sa punto mo about benefits involving money or the likes... sinabi ko naman na sayo na para sa ibang tao which is humble enough na malaking bagay na iyon na matawag kang Professional lalo na sa mga nagkakaila for such reasons like Licenses and others. kung para kay 123kid123 po ay no need na ito edi okay po hindi ka naman pinipilit pero huwag kang bitter or killjoy kung para sa iba gusto nila ma compliment at the very least kung yun ang tingin mo po, tingin mo po yan eh it is your right. and i am your left o diba balance tayo apir nga! toast::

3.kulang man ang qoute or hindi nasan thread po ba nakalagay ang topic
espiya cafe po where you want interaction towards members po, hindi po 123kid123 know it all, excuse po joke lang hindi ako namemersonal.
Wala po talagang diskriminasyon except your post/s... comparing our post/s nalang very bold na nagkaroon ka nang discrimination sa iyong appeal, good intention naman po to tell others what they have'nt noticed pero hindi mo naman sila pinagbigyan sa kanilang munting hiling. Yun ba ekang matawag ka na pro!

nabasa mo nga po, ako po hindi again you are the better man ... but still be considerate, stand for your rights pero huwag ka naman po out of bounds na,

pati po yung pagreply ko in english mali nanaman sayo, well sige from now on i'll try... there is one thing in my mind that can't accept your command, you were replying in english so i know ethically that it is right to reply in english...

walang laman po ang comments ko, then i'll live with it even if i will be listed as spammer then so be it. ikaw ren mamiss moko pakiss nga :-*

At hindi kita pinapa ban ngayon, kinakausap kita pogi ka kasi..

duwag ako eh bakit ba! hindi po ako makikipaglaban actually para saken kasi hindi naman po eto competitionbut rather interaction. Were interacting so that we could relax and get to know each other. medyo may pagka pakilamero lang talaga ako.

@sir DjDavetrance
finish na po ako, further evaluation po para akin ay bukas loob ko pong tatanggapin..

P.S.
about sa pinagtawanan ako dati nung pinaban kita... binaril mo kasi ako e talagang matatawa sila
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: DjDaveTrance August 23, 2009, 08:23:29 PM: @dantot Im not against the debate between you and 123kid123.
I am just referring to his way of replies in the thread which is considered as spamming already.

@123kid123, debate, debate, debate, dabate, share, share, share, ideas.
Just keep it tight and healthy guyz!
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: boytoge August 23, 2009, 10:34:38 PM: ok lang kahit hindi professional basta matinik sa chiks smoking::
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: gatekeeperz August 24, 2009, 12:10:08 AM: im I.T graduate and i have no exam...hindi naman kc hinahanap sa pag aapply sa work hindi na yata kailangan un ngaun kc isang pangkaraniwang papel lang un at pweding gumawa sa recto..And the first important in this opportunity is skills and knowledge..yan ang kailangan hindi ung papel at para sakin may exam o wala iisa ang tawag professional..
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: 123kid123 August 24, 2009, 01:56:29 AM: @dantot - Hindi ko mabasa post mo. Pasensya na pero hindi ko talaga maintindihan. Unang-una sa formatting pa lang. Pangalawa, sa organization. Pangatlo, masyadong marami "bwelo".

Ang hindi mo paggamit ng upper case letters at sobrang daming ellipses. Huwag po kayong matakot tapusin ang mga sentences ninyo. Siguro masasabi na rin natin na kasama ito sa "Rule #1: No text language." Pakilinis naman po para madaling basahin.

Sa mga hiwalay hiwalay na sentences, hindi naman sa pagiging istrikto, pero hanggat maaari paki-group po ang sentence ninyo. Mahirap kasi maintindihan pag sunod sunod yung mga sentences na hindi magkaka-ugnay.

Tulad ng sinabi ko sa nakaraang paragraph, "hindi naman sa pagiging istrikto", iwasan na yung mga salitang "bwelo". Mas lalo nitong pinapahaba yung mga sentences at sa pagkakataong ito na sobra sobra na ang balakid sa mga punto ay tuluyan na ang pagkakagulo-gulo.

Ito ang mga dahilan kung bakit ako paulit-ulit. Kasi hindi ko binabasa replies mo at ang ginagawa ko lang ay pinapaintindi ko ang mga nasabi ko na.

@DjDaveTrance & moderators - Maraming salamat sa pagpapalawak ng pagiintindi at pasensya.
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: dantot August 24, 2009, 02:41:10 AM: @123kid123

1.You're right
2.I don't argue with you
3.You win

toast::
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: DjDaveTrance August 24, 2009, 09:26:16 AM: : 123kid123 August 24, 2009, 01:56:29 AM
@DjDaveTrance & moderators - Maraming salamat sa pagpapalawak ng pagiintindi at pasensya.

No Probs 123kid123.
: Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
: kaizukun August 25, 2009, 02:09:28 AM: : 123kid123 August 23, 2009, 11:13:56 AM
@dantot - Nabasa ko ang libro. Alam ko na hindi pinapalabas ng nagsulat ang "quoted" na linya. Ikaw nabasa mo ba?

ako ang simula po sa quote. mya nagtanong na poh sa akin if saan ko po napulot tong topic na to bago ko na post. nag reply na din ako sa few posters ng thread na ito if saan o ano ang book na tinutukoy ko kaya di na ako po nag reply sa iyo.
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: kaizukun August 25, 2009, 02:25:32 AM: @ dantot & 123kid123

The only intention bakit ako nag post dito it's because I just want to know the reaction of the IT sa quote. Hindi poh debate at Semi-away na ang pinag popost nyo. Anyway, thanks to you dantot, "Humility is power talaga!" ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao

At sa ibang mga nag post na nag bibigay lang nang kunting reactions sa topic, thank you poh sa inyo! :-* :-* :-*

mabuhay tayong mga nasa I.T Industry!
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: dantot August 25, 2009, 02:36:15 AM: @TS
glad to be of service.. enough said finger4u

Dantot-pakilamerong espiya
: Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
: melecee November 15, 2009, 11:32:44 AM: sali po. ako po ay isang master electrician, ece at ee. kukuha po ako ng CCNA sa december. punta nko sa iT field kasi sa tingin masusutain ako dito at baka may sobra pa. pag nakapasa po ako dito, mas maganda ang offer siguro sakin eventhough masaya nko sa field ng manufacturing. sa tingin ko di po dapat tayo tumingin sa professional id/license ng tao,
professionalism dapat.

pattern po nang topic natin
ayon sa linya ko.
I master electrician, II Registered Electrical Engineer, III PROFESSIONAL Electrical Enginneer
I electronic technician, II Registered Electronics & Communication Engineer, III PROFESSIONAL Electronics & Communication Engineer
I Entry Level, II Associate, III PROFESSIONAL, IV Expert
Professional license makukuha sa batay sa 11 years(pinkamababa) experience o expertise.
ang importante sa id, e yung license number inilalagay sa katabi o ilalim ng pangalan at pagpirma ng sheet ng plano at may dry seal pa ito kasama. ito pong nasabing plano ay papayagan o pipigilan ng municipal or city engineer ayon sa batas.
Ang propesyonal yun ang may experience at more power.
hindi ko po alam sa linya ng I.T. kung anung power meron o saklaw ang professional dahil may mas mataas pa dito.
Sanay po magkasundo tayo dahil lahat po tayo ay Bachelor of Science na nagbibigay linaw at mas malalim na paliwanag ng syensya ng ating napiling degree.
*YUN LANG KUNG NAGGARAL KA (dati o hanggang ngayun) TALAGANG MABUTI.
*it is a matter of sino helpfull sa company na nagpapasuweldo satin(posisyon at sahod magkakatalo).
*ang pagaaral ay di nagtatapos sa pagkagraduate natin. never-ending ito.
peace.
#no shut
#end
#copy running-config startup-config
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: melecee November 15, 2009, 11:44:22 AM: : melecee November 15, 2009, 11:32:44 AM
sali po. ako po ay isang master electrician, ece at ee. kukuha po ako ng CCNA sa december. punta nko sa iT field kasi sa tingin masusutain ako dito at baka may sobra pa. pag nakapasa po ako dito, mas maganda ang offer siguro sakin eventhough masaya nko sa field ng manufacturing. sa tingin ko di po dapat tayo tumingin sa professional id/license ng tao,
professionalism dapat.

pattern po nang topic natin
ayon sa linya ko.
I master electrician, II Registered Electrical Engineer, III PROFESSIONAL Electrical Enginneer
I electronic technician, II Registered Electronics & Communication Engineer, III PROFESSIONAL Electronics & Communication Engineer
I Entry Level, II Associate, III PROFESSIONAL, IV Expert
Professional license makukuha sa batay sa 11 years(pinkamababa) experience o expertise(ang tanging may kakayahang pumirma).
ang importante sa id, e yung license number inilalagay sa katabi o ilalim ng pangalan at pagpirma ng sheet ng plano at may dry seal pa ito kasama. ito pong nasabing plano ay papayagan o pipigilan ng municipal or city engineer ayon sa batas.
Ang propesyonal yun ang may experience at more power.
hindi ko po alam sa linya ng I.T. kung anung power meron o saklaw ang professional dahil may mas mataas pa dito.
Sanay po magkasundo tayo dahil lahat po tayo ay Bachelor of Science na nagbibigay linaw at mas malalim na paliwanag ng syensya ng ating napiling degree.
*YUN LANG KUNG NAGGARAL KA (dati o hanggang ngayun) TALAGANG MABUTI.
*it is a matter of sino helpfull sa company na nagpapasuweldo satin(posisyon at sahod magkakatalo).
*ang pagaaral ay di nagtatapos sa pagkagraduate natin. never-ending ito.
peace.
#no shut
#end
#copy running-config startup-config
: Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
: nyakman123 November 15, 2009, 01:26:48 PM: : melecee November 15, 2009, 11:32:44 AM
sali po. ako po ay isang master electrician, ece at ee. kukuha po ako ng CCNA sa december. punta nko sa iT field kasi sa tingin masusutain ako dito at baka may sobra pa. pag nakapasa po ako dito, mas maganda ang offer siguro sakin eventhough masaya nko sa field ng manufacturing. sa tingin ko di po dapat tayo tumingin sa professional id/license ng tao,
professionalism dapat.

pattern po nang topic natin
ayon sa linya ko.
I master electrician, II Registered Electrical Engineer, III PROFESSIONAL Electrical Enginneer
I electronic technician, II Registered Electronics & Communication Engineer, III PROFESSIONAL Electronics & Communication Engineer
I Entry Level, II Associate, III PROFESSIONAL, IV Expert
Professional license makukuha sa batay sa 11 years(pinkamababa) experience o expertise.
ang importante sa id, e yung license number inilalagay sa katabi o ilalim ng pangalan at pagpirma ng sheet ng plano at may dry seal pa ito kasama. ito pong nasabing plano ay papayagan o pipigilan ng municipal or city engineer ayon sa batas.
Ang propesyonal yun ang may experience at more power.
hindi ko po alam sa linya ng I.T. kung anung power meron o saklaw ang professional dahil may mas mataas pa dito.
Sanay po magkasundo tayo dahil lahat po tayo ay Bachelor of Science na nagbibigay linaw at mas malalim na paliwanag ng syensya ng ating napiling degree.
*YUN LANG KUNG NAGGARAL KA (dati o hanggang ngayun) TALAGANG MABUTI.
*it is a matter of sino helpfull sa company na nagpapasuweldo satin(posisyon at sahod magkakatalo).
*ang pagaaral ay di nagtatapos sa pagkagraduate natin. never-ending ito.
peace.
#no shut
#end
#copy running-config startup-config

master may kasunod na sa expert! V - Architect sabi daw ng Cisco eto daw iyong counted as board exam. so sa gumawa ng thread na ito.. maling mali po iyong narinig niyo. at kapag certified architect ka na ewan ko lang kung ano magiging suweldo mo...hehehe....seven figures na siguro a month (pesos) toast::

proof --> cisco.com/certifications
: Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
: nyakman123 November 15, 2009, 01:30:57 PM: : gatekeeperz August 24, 2009, 12:10:08 AM
im I.T graduate and i have no exam...hindi naman kc hinahanap sa pag aapply sa work hindi na yata kailangan un ngaun kc isang pangkaraniwang papel lang un at pweding gumawa sa recto..And the first important in this opportunity is skills and knowledge..yan ang kailangan hindi ung papel at para sakin may exam o wala iisa ang tawag professional..

sir tama po kayo pero pagdating po sa mga fresh grad, IMHO, i suggest po na kumuha sila ng certification exam sa expertise nila. Like for example, kung trip nila ay microsoft kuha po sila ng MCP or MCPIT. Kung programming naman SCJP or kung ano pa at kung networking siyempre CCNA. Mahirap po kasi makapasok sa company kapag fresh grad ka na walang certification. peace po
: Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
: nyakman123 November 15, 2009, 01:49:52 PM: : kaizukun August 18, 2009, 07:45:44 AM
yun na nga minsan advantage natin. "certification" kaso may e coconsider tayo dito:

1. Few questionnaires(leakage) particularly CISCO can be found in internet. Ewan ko lang sa Microsoft if available din?
2. Mostly, certification can be consider as a product promotion.
* CISCO is a networking company. Bibili ka talaga ng products para maging certified.
* Microsoft naman, kailangan ka talaga gagamit ng Microsoft products pag certified ka at mae-expire pa ang certificates mo after few years. take na naman ulit.
* last, do you think magagamit mo certificates mo sa Microsoft pag aapply tayo sa rival company like SUN Microsystems?

BUHAY ka pa ba? may tatanungin kasi ako sa iyo....

"CISCO is a networking company. Bibili ka talaga ng products para maging certified" - Bibili ng products nila? madami na pong review center dito sa Pilipinas na may enough network devices para maturuan tayo ng actual configuration like Rivan. So hindi mo na kailangan bumili not unless if you're going to take the CCIE examination which I doubt at may tinatawag na pong dynamips ngayon.

"1. Few questionnaires(leakage) particularly CISCO can be found in internet." - Yes I admit may mga leakages po talaga, pero I doubt na makakapasa ang walang alam na umaasa lang sa leak kasi po every week po naguupdate ang online exams ng cisco.

Sorry po mga moderators nainis lang ako sa pinagsasabi nitong TS
: Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
: nyakman123 November 15, 2009, 01:51:16 PM: : kaizukun August 25, 2009, 02:25:32 AM
@ dantot & 123kid123

The only intention bakit ako nag post dito it's because I just want to know the reaction of the IT sa quote. Hindi poh debate at Semi-away na ang pinag popost nyo. Anyway, thanks to you dantot, "Humility is power talaga!" ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao

At sa ibang mga nag post na nag bibigay lang nang kunting reactions sa topic, thank you poh sa inyo! :-* :-* :-*

mabuhay tayong mga nasa I.T Industry!

ooopss... late ko na nabasa hehehe ::lmao
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: nognog November 15, 2009, 07:42:48 PM: .
: Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
: mrazed January 05, 2010, 11:52:09 PM: no ip domain lookup.... finger4u
: Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
: whistlercode January 06, 2010, 01:09:14 AM: Happy to be an IT...
Im an IT here in our dept ITO-TS....

Good luck sa mga hindi IT jan...basta happy to one of these trend...:)
: Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
: dma1008 January 06, 2010, 02:48:44 AM: dont care kung tawagin tau na di professional, what matters most is yung knowledge and skill mo, eh anun kung professional sila kung panay theories lang naman ang alam nila.

im a comp sci grad, meron ba kau alam na opening job? kahit yung current company niyo, naghahanap kasi ako.
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: P***sDeMilo January 06, 2010, 08:37:13 PM: GO IT!!!

ASTIG TAYO HEHEHEHE!
: Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
: mono January 18, 2010, 04:57:44 AM: im an i.t. here sa zamboanga.

ang alam ko dito lang sa pinas may board exam. professional means doing the job with a good outcome.
: Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
: queso011240 January 18, 2010, 06:18:39 AM: smoking:: smoking::

can be called who are morally good..

let's cheers to that... toast:: toast::
: Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
: nmarc2001 March 15, 2010, 11:26:54 PM: : kaizukun August 18, 2009, 07:04:25 AM
Are you agree with this statement:

"IT professionals cannot be called as PROFESSIONALS because they have no licensure exam..."

-sa akin lang, if you act ethically (according to I.T. code of ethics) lang towards your work eh, pwede kang tawaging professional.

B#8o NAMAN nag quote na yan professionalism is how you act and deal with accordingly with ethics and sense of common its not totally education A##@N@
: Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
: naitan June 27, 2011, 09:45:11 PM: In legal terms, di talaga considered as "professional" ang mga nasa field ng CS/IT. Kung gusto talagang matawag na professional, pwede kang magtake ng licensure exam sa ibang bansa like Canada for Software Engineering license.
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37 bilang assistant executive IT 37 lng salary ko diba pwede nilang tapatan kahit walang posisyon at utos utusan ka
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: Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
: Twentiwan October 16, 2012, 02:09:31 AM: : weng151515 August 18, 2009, 07:44:05 AM
professional killers had no professional exams yet they were called professionals.

Tama nga naman. Ahahaha

Graduate ako ng I.T. and sa calling card ko, I.T. PROFESSIONAL ang nakalagay as my position.

Pero gusto ko sana mapalitan yan ng I.T. ENGINEER. Wala nga lang po akong kung panu. I mean how and where can I avail certificates.