Topic: all OUT war or peace talks??

[abdullah]

mga kaESPIYA sa tingin nyo anu po ba ang nararapat gawin  ::gunALL OUT WAR or PEACE TALKS

[JohLo]

ito lang ang masasabi ko:

All-out War in the Philippines is impossible as well as Peace Talks.http://

[rAvEnShAwNâ„¢]

All out war? >> even the military will do that response, the moros (MILF) will still fight to the end even it is "atras-solung" tactic and they have a lot of supporters in the muslim world. I have a muslim friend who idolized the MILF for thier bravery and beliefs.
Peace Talks? >> Even there is a peace talks the moros will still want to occupy mindanao. Even if the goverment signed the MOA (Memorandum of Agreement) and give the lands which the moros want, the moros will still thirst for more territories and lands.

[Idiot]

All out war syempre

dahil ang Peace talks strategy lang yan para maka recover ng tauhan at armas tapos gyera ulit

[HarVy-TwO face]

ito lang ang masasabi ko:

All-out War in the Philippines is impossible as well as Peace Talks.http://

i aGree with you bro. im a muslim pla pero di ko inaidolized mga MIFL 

[check_them]

All-out War in the Philippines is impossible as well as Peace Talks.http://
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i aGree with you bro. im a muslim pla pero di ko inaidolized mga MIFL 
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OO nga naman, di mo Idol MIFL, MILF lang ganun ba ka espiya?

[Master Of Disaster (m.d)]

ako Idol ko yung MILF... lalo na makinis... bata pa, sexy at walang sabit na MILF.... idol ko yan!!

"WE CAN'T TALK PEACE AND HAVE A GUN ON OUR HAND!"

[xjhongx]

..,ndi pede all out war nor peace talks!..,
..,america is one of the leading producers of weapon!..,
..,ibigsavhin..,more war the richer america gets!..,
..,peace talks nman..,wala nman talagang gnun eh..,
..,sus!..,one way of corruption un!..,
hahahahaha!!!...,

[asanti]

its all out war or all out peace no half way position.... what we are doing now is offering peace to one faction and fighting other faction .. no can do!!!!!!


pinadami lang ang patay at lalong nag hirap ang taga mindanao.... kung ayaw nila ng peace e di tapusin na to mag mobilise tayo ng mga army at ilagay lahat sa mindanao hanggang sa maglayasan sila o mapatay lahat

[tigerwing]

Its unlikely to achieve peace in Mindanao through peace talks. why? because what the MILF want is something the Phillipines as a nation cannot give.. And if they couldn't get what they want, they would never stop.

On the other hand, an all out war may put an end to the MILF. But Is the Gov't willing? Is the AFP even capable of doing such a thing? Gov't willingness will depend on our politicians, some of which may actually benefit or is already benefiting from the existence of the MILF. AFP's capability is not only dependent on what military hardware they have but also on the loyalty of their soldiers, some of which are covert supporters of the MILF.

And even if the gov't is willing and the AFP is capable, then how about the innocent civilians that will get caught in the fight? More civillians would probably die than both the MILF and AFP casualities combined.

And lets say we consider those civilian deaths as acceptable losses, then how can we be sure that the fighting would be limited in MILF territories? MILF uses asymetric warfare, they would never fight head on.. When it come to it they would probably wreak havoc in our major cities, which in turn will effect our economy, not to mention, more human lives. In the end the Phillipines would suffer..

So is all-out-war really an option?

[Boy Abunda]

So is all-out-war really an option?

yes, it is.

we can neither avoid civilian casualties, nor secure the economy against the possible effects of all-out war. it will definitely damage us, one way or another, there is no doubt about that.

but the mere existence of these armed rebel groups has already created negative long-term effects that far surpasses any potential damage that can result from a short-term conflict. as long as these insurgents continue to operate, there will be no true peace.

therefore, only an all-out war can truly end this problem, but only if the outcome is absolute. meaning, these rebel groups and all their operations must cease to exist. it may be a choice that could mean the end of lives and destruction of property, but so can letting rebels run rampant all across the country prove to be even more destructive. in the end, all we have is a choice of evils, and we should definitely go with the lesser one.

[Yuuko]

Peace talk para sa akin. pero if nagkakainitan na ng ulo wag sana maging makitid ang utak.

[tigerwing]

yes, it is.

we can neither avoid civilian casualties, nor secure the economy against the possible effects of all-out war. it will definitely damage us, one way or another, there is no doubt about that.

but the mere existence of these armed rebel groups has already created negative long-term effects that far surpasses any potential damage that can result from a short-term conflict. as long as these insurgents continue to operate, there will be no true peace.

therefore, only an all-out war can truly end this problem, but only if the outcome is absolute. meaning, these rebel groups and all their operations must cease to exist. it may be a choice that could mean the end of lives and destruction of property, but so can letting rebels run rampant all across the country prove to be even more destructive. in the end, all we have is a choice of evils, and we should definitely go with the lesser one.

Our country in its current state is already in turmoil. Violence in our major cities will be a massive blow. Take into account that eliminating the MILF will NEVER be a week long process, it will NEVER BE a short-term conflict. We do not have a world class military, fighting would rage for months or probably even years. The MILF is deep rooted within the society of mindanao, we simply cant go in and kill them all. they have supporters within the local population, within the government and yes even within the armed forces its self.

As of now the MILF problem has been, to some extent, localized in mindanao. Their existence certainly inhibit the development of a region but the rest of the country continues to move forward.

As you've said we have to choose the lesser evil. So which is which?

Allowing the MILF to exist yet suppress them to some extent (what is being done today) at the cost of developmental retardation of a region while the rest of the country moves on

or,

Entering in a long-term, expensive, military campaign with no clear outcome which may also backfire and plunge the entire country into chaos.


For this I'll let everyone have their own opinion. But one thing is sure, there is no clear solution.

[UrAnus]

All-out war.

1st. remove all the corrupt politician. (which is i think 90%)
2nd remove all corrupt generals. (which is i think about 70%)

Life is a necessary sacrifice to achieve peace.  This process has been going on for thousands of years and is man's instinct.  War is man's instinct. Man is territorial in nature.  Without those past  war's, our society now will not be the same.  And in wars, only those who are strong enough wins.

To those who support any rebelled group, they know what they are doing and they know the risk of their support. In any manner that their own life will be in jeopardy because of the support, then so be it.

Siguro nasa gobyerno na natin kng paanu natin tapusin ang rebelyon na ito..  I

[puretuts]

All out war? >> even the military will do that response, the moros (MILF) will still fight to the end even it is "atras-solung" tactic and they have a lot of supporters in the muslim world. I have a muslim friend who idolized the MILF for thier bravery and beliefs.
Peace Talks? >> Even there is a peace talks the moros will still want to occupy mindanao. Even if the goverment signed the MOA (Memorandum of Agreement) and give the lands which the moros want, the moros will still thirst for more territories and lands.

Bravery ba ang bombahin ang mga inocenteng civilian using some distorted interpretation of the Quor'an. Bravery ba ang treachery. Bravery ba ang bombanhin ang Super Ferry?  Bravery ba ang bombahin ang Davao Wharf. Bravery ba ang pag lusog sa Kauswagan at ibang mga towns sa Lanao.  Tapos mag loot. Bravery ba ang bombahin ang ferry to Ozamis where everybody perish, ito ang naging mitsa sa Mindanao war during Erap's term. Tama ba na gamitin ang governement money intended for irrigation to be use to build modefied concrete bunkers. Dito namatay ang kaibigan ko PMA. How i wish that this perpertuator will be tried in an independent Sharia court so that they can get a taste of what they really want. Bravery ba ang cattle rustling?

Ang kailangan lang naman nito ay mutual respect between christians ang muslim. Tsaka cultural thing sa pananaw ko ang problema. May mga things sila na normal sa kultura nila ang they try to bring it to our area. I respect there culture but wag nilang e-impose of on other people.

Dont get me wrong but i have a lot of muslim friend at wala kaming conflict. Bakit? Because we respect each others belief and dont impose our belief on others. Yun lang naman ang problem. Respect each other. Kung may respect walang gulo.

[dirty sanchez]

war na yan. wala naman nangyayari sa peace talks e. di mo malaman kung sino nangtatraydor kung ang mga muslim ba o military or both.

[chocho_qta]

ako Idol ko yung MILF... lalo na makinis... bata pa, sexy at walang sabit na MILF.... idol ko yan!!

correct bro!! 

anyways, my take on this is neither will solve anything. peace talk or all out war will still have the people in Mindanao or us Pinoys in general end up as losers.

peace talk will resolve nothing coz both parties are demanding something both of them can't bring to the table.

all out war will just add to the death rate statistics in our country.

[Kulangotnipatrick]

dapat kasi mala LELOUCH VI BRITANIA ang pag iisip ng pangulo natin eh... ta3...

[valtobs]

Para sa akin, I am realy against war kasi nakita ko ang documentation ng brother in law ko
which is serving the military about sa casualties of war which is talagang ang hirap burahin sa isip.

Pero sa pinakita ng mga abu, mi o ano pang mga grupo dyan, dapat obusin nalang sila dahil
mga traidor din. wala dn namang mga silbi.

They are claiming mindanao na sa kanila, i mulat nila ang kanilang mga mata at masdan ang kanilang
palibot, mas marami ang cristians kaysa sa muslims sa mindanao so its not a muslim island, its for all filipino
and a pilipinas island.



 

[jaguartiu]

Dapat all out war na. Dapat sa AFP palaging offensive.  Carpet bomb nila ang mga Campu ng MILF using NAPALM and Baboy para matakot ng husto ang mga muklo nayan.

[DirtYDeedZ]

It's too late for all out war and peace talks just wont work(kasi hindi lang mismo ang gobyerno walang alam sa gusto nang mga rebelde pati mismo rebelde walang idea kung ano talaga ang dapat mangyari).


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