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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #100 on: May 15, 2009, 10:00:33 am »
Ang Sagot ni Nicholo mAchiavelli  (16th? century philosopher, author ng controversial book na The Prince) sa tanong na iyan ay ito:

Before all else, be armed.

He who wishes to be obeyed must know how to command.

Hence it comes about that all armed Prophets have been victorious, and all unarmed Prophets have been destroyed.

I'm not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it. (Borrowed by me, see my profile)

If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared.

It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both.

It is much more secure to be feared than to be loved.

Men ought either to be indulged or utterly destroyed, for if you merely offend them they take vengeance, but if you injure them greatly they are unable to retaliate, so that the injury done to a man ought to be such that vengeance cannot be feared.

Men rise from one ambition to another: first, they seek to secure themselves against attack, and then they attack others.

Men should be either treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injuries - for heavy ones they cannot.

Men shrink less from offending one who inspires love than one who inspires fear.

Never was anything great achieved without danger.

No enterprise is more likely to succeed than one concealed from the enemy until it is ripe for execution.

Politics have no relation to morals.

Severities should be dealt out all at once, so that their suddenness may give less offense; benefits ought to be handed ought drop by drop, so that they may be relished the more.

Since it is difficult to join them together, it is safer to be feared than to be loved when one of the two must be lacking.

The fact is that a man who wants to act virtuously in every way necessarily comes to grief among so many who are not virtuous.

The main foundations of every state, new states as well as ancient or composite ones, are good laws and good arms you cannot have good laws without good arms, and where there are good arms, good laws inevitably follow.

The new ruler must determine all the injuries that he will need to inflict. He must inflict them once and for all.

The one who adapts his policy to the times prospers, and likewise that the one whose policy clashes with the demands of the times does not.

There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others.

There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things.

To understand the nature of the people one must be a prince, and to understand the nature of the prince, one must be of the people.

War is just when it is necessary; arms are permissible when there is no hope except in arms.

War should be the only study of a prince. He should consider peace only as a breathing-time, which gives him leisure to contrive, and furnishes as ability to execute, military plans.

We cannot attribute to fortune or virtue that which is achieved without either.

Whoever conquers a free town and does not demolish it commits a great error and may expect to be ruined himself.

Whosoever desires constant success must change his conduct with the times.

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #101 on: May 15, 2009, 10:25:04 am »
ANg Sagot ni Sun Tzu (The art of War) sa katanungang iyan ay:

To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated.

The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.

Move not unless you see an advantage; use not your troops unless there is something to be gained; fight not unless the position is critical. If it is to your advantage, make a forward move; if not, stay where you are. Anger may in time change to gladness; vexation may be succeeded by content.

He who wishes to fight must first count the cost. When you engage in actual fighting, if victory is long in coming, then men's weapons will grow dull and their ardor will be dampened. If you lay siege to a town, you will exhaust your strength. Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources of the State will not be equal to the strain. Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor dampened, your strength exhausted and your treasure spent, other chieftains will spring up to take advantage of your extremity. Then no man, however wise, will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue... In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns.

It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war that can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.

In the practical art of war, the best thing of all is to take the enemy's country whole and intact; to shatter and destroy it is not so good. So, too, it is better to recapture an army entire than to destroy it.

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces. He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks. He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared. He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign.

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy. To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. Thus the good fighter is able to secure himself against defeat, but cannot make certain of defeating the enemy.

In all fighting, the direct method may be used for joining battle, but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure victory. In battle, there are not more than two methods of attack - the direct and the indirect; yet these two in combination give rise to an endless series of maneuvers. The direct and the indirect lead on to each other in turn. It is like moving in a circle - you never come to an end. Who can exhaust the possibilities of their combination?

The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him.

If we wish to fight, the enemy can be forced to an engagement even though he be sheltered behind a high rampart and a deep ditch. All we need do is attack some other place that he will be obliged to relieve. If we do not wish to fight, we can prevent the enemy from engaging us even though the lines of our encampment be merely traced out on the ground. All we need do is to throw something odd and unaccountable in his way.

Should the enemy strengthen his van, he will weaken his rear; should he strengthen his rear, he will weaken his van; should he strengthen his left, he will weaken his right; should he strengthen his right, he will weaken his left. If he sends reinforcements everywhere, he will everywhere be weak.

Military tactics are like unto water; for water in its natural course runs away from high places and hastens downwards... Water shapes its course according to the nature of the ground over which it flows; the soldier works out his victory in relation to the foe whom he is facing. Therefore, just as water retains no constant shape, so in warfare there are no constant conditions. He who can modify his tactics in relation to his opponent and thereby succeed in winning, may be called a heaven-born captain.

We cannot enter into alliances until we are acquainted with the designs of our neighbors.

Do not interfere with an army that is returning home. When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.

The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable.

The general who advances without coveting fame and retreats without fearing disgrace, whose only thought is to protect his country and do good service for his sovereign, is the jewel of the kingdom.

If you know the enemy and know yourself, your victory will not stand in doubt; if you know Heaven and know Earth, you may make your victory complete.

On dispersive ground, therefore, fight not. On facile ground, halt not. On contentious ground, attack not..... On serious ground, gather in plunder. In difficult ground, keep steadily on the march. On hemmed-in ground, resort to stratagem. On desperate ground, fight.

 "Begin by seizing something which your opponent holds dear; then he will be amenable to your will."

Unhappy is the fate of one who tries to win his battles and succeed in his attacks without cultivating the spirit of enterprise; for the result is waste of time and general stagnation. Hence the saying: The enlightened ruler lays his plans well ahead; the good general cultivates his resources.

No leader should put troops into the field merely to gratify his own spleen; no leader should fight a battle simply out of pique. But a kingdom that has once been destroyed can never come again into being; nor can the dead ever be brought back to life. Hence the enlightened leader is heedful, and the good leader full of caution.

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #102 on: May 16, 2009, 12:54:11 am »
he he oh saan tayo mga ka espiya ... SUN TZU O NICOLO MACHIAVELLI .. Different principles of waging war of attrition

the West (machiavelli) and the east (Sun tzu)
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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #103 on: June 17, 2009, 02:47:54 am »
kawawang roughneck pinagalitan ng mga senior military official sa ibang forum. may pag ka isip bata kasi.


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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #104 on: June 19, 2009, 05:14:22 pm »

My opinion:
The solution to this problem is not as easy as you may think.
Try beggining with, giving all those land back to the rightful claimer.
And relocating all those people in the disputed lands.
It's going to be a Nightmare.
 


well bottomline here is there is no really easy solution to the problem.... does anyone says it? pero madaming problems ang likha lang naman din ng government...

Do we have a choice? Government lang naman ang single authority na pwedeng mag deal sa affair na ito.


absolutely yes madami tayong choices... yun lang dahil sobrang centralize ang politics sa manila, hindi na nabibigyang pansin ang mindanao area... and those you call government only got something to say if makikinabang sila sa proposition na ito. but kung hindi sila kikita nasaan yung government mong dapat asahan...





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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #105 on: June 19, 2009, 05:39:23 pm »
in reality kayang kaya ng mga sundalo tirisin mga yan minsanan, ang kaso pag walang giyera wala makkurakot mga generals at iba pa, ang laki ng kurakot nila sa ammo. so in short ayaw tlga nila matapos ang gera kse ang laki ng kupit nila.

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #106 on: June 19, 2009, 07:12:34 pm »
who gives a damn about pokepoints... only a child would give a damn...

@ beater

yan, masaya ka na? go to hell? there's no such thing as heaven or hell... imaginary like your entity





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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #107 on: June 19, 2009, 07:37:45 pm »
im from Mindanao>Maguindanao Province

ako isang ISLAM believer, simula ng makaisip ako andyn n ang Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) headed by late Hassim Salamat, ayong sa aking nakikita at namumulatan, MILF is not a rebel. db ang rebel kung against k sa government>?

MILF is a ARMY of ISLAM in Central Mindanao to protect ISLAM. ang MILF ang kanilang objective lng naman ay protectahan ang ISLAM. all bout religion naman ang MILF ie. cguro kailangan p nting magbasa bout sa MILF bago tau mag salita about sa MILF.

hindi dahil akoy taga Mindanao, kampi n tlga ako sa MILF. MEDIA, MEDIA MEDIA lng naman tlga ang naninira sa MILF. dahil sa MEDIA kaya naging MASAMA ang imahe ng MILF sa tao ng pilipinas.. bata p ako kaya hindi p ma explain ng mabuti.. to know about the MILF visit there website search nyo n lng sa google (d ko pwde lagay d2 website, bawal db?)..

hope nagets nyo points ko.. peace all espiya ::moreinfo


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as ASG naman: SANA MAUBOS N CILANG LAHAT.. pulbuhin ang ABU sayaff.. Mga BANDITS cila.. grrrrr..

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #108 on: June 19, 2009, 11:16:56 pm »
@dirklhems

di ba MILF last time yung nangmassacre ng isang bayan?.. is that how they protect or rather use ISLAM as an excuse for a license to kill?

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #109 on: June 20, 2009, 08:56:53 am »
@dirklhems

di ba MILF last time yung nangmassacre ng isang bayan?.. is that how they protect or rather use ISLAM as an excuse for a license to kill?


HOW CAN YOU SURE MILF nga?

have u been visit Mindanao (central mindanao)? if not. now can u say? MILF nga? like what i say.. MEDIA lang nagpapasira sa imahe ng MILF.. Christian man or ISlam believer, MASAMA ang pumatay..


IF you in Luzon, Visayas and some part of Mindanao na hindi ka napunta sa Central Mindanao, kapag nakita mo sa TV/News na sasabihin MILF nagnakaw, pumatay, nanunog ng bahay, etc.. SASABIHIN agad, ang sama tlga ang MILF.

d ko nababalitaan bout sa massacre n yan sir, pero sure ako ang kasunod nyan GIRA n naman. sasabihin huhulihin yun mga me sala.. pero all of that is PROPAGANDA lng naman...

hayz..

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #110 on: June 20, 2009, 09:56:23 am »

HOW CAN YOU SURE MILF nga?

have u been visit Mindanao (central mindanao)? if not. now can u say? MILF nga? like what i say.. MEDIA lang nagpapasira sa imahe ng MILF.. Christian man or ISlam believer, MASAMA ang pumatay..


IF you in Luzon, Visayas and some part of Mindanao na hindi ka napunta sa Central Mindanao, kapag nakita mo sa TV/News na sasabihin MILF nagnakaw, pumatay, nanunog ng bahay, etc.. SASABIHIN agad, ang sama tlga ang MILF.

d ko nababalitaan bout sa massacre n yan sir, pero sure ako ang kasunod nyan GIRA n naman. sasabihin huhulihin yun mga me sala.. pero all of that is PROPAGANDA lng naman...

hayz..

MILF mismo ang nagsabi & according to them lost command daw?

about naman sa massacre.. mga co-espiya na mismo natin from central mindanao ang nakaexperiece ng ransack na ginawa ng MILF & luckily they avoided it before the MILF reached them.. actually may thread pa nga nun dito regarding sa updates na nagyayari sa kanila eh during that time

ask ko lang relatives mo ba MILF?  kasi pinakita sa TV pati inamin nila na kagrupo nila ang may kagagawan

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #111 on: June 20, 2009, 06:46:55 pm »
MILF has NO LOST COMMAND....

if lost command yun, there not MILF.

RELATIVES? i cant deny.. every MORO in Central mindanao have a relatives na member ng MILF.. CAFGO>> cila ang front lage ng PA (Phil Amry) sa labanan, pero kapag hindi nakaUNIFORM mga yan at nanunog ng bahay, nagNakaw o anuman.. pwde nila aminin na MILF cila, LOst command kami ng MILF.. .. PROPAGANDA lng yan.. MORO ISLAMIC LIBERATION FRONT is only promoting PEACE not WAR or any violence.

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #112 on: June 20, 2009, 10:10:28 pm »
MILF has NO LOST COMMAND....

if lost command yun, there not MILF.

RELATIVES? i cant deny.. every MORO in Central mindanao have a relatives na member ng MILF.. CAFGO>> cila ang front lage ng PA (Phil Amry) sa labanan, pero kapag hindi nakaUNIFORM mga yan at nanunog ng bahay, nagNakaw o anuman.. pwde nila aminin na MILF cila, LOst command kami ng MILF.. .. PROPAGANDA lng yan.. MORO ISLAMIC LIBERATION FRONT is only promoting PEACE not WAR or any violence.


kung hindi MILF yun how come inamin nila na kagrupo nila yun di ba?

kapag hindi sila napagbigyan ng gobyerno sa gusto nila tao ang iniipit nila.. I doubt lost command nila yun.. tingin ko yun lost command na sinasabi nila is yung assualt team ng MILF.. pati ano ba talagang pinakamagndang naidulot ng MILF?.. hindi mo na makikita yung sinasabi mo na protektor ng islam eh.. much more of self interest na nila yun eh..

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #113 on: June 21, 2009, 01:17:20 am »
hindi ko pa naririneg ang news n yan(wala kci ako sa pinas)..

madaling magsalita kci bout sa isang groupo n hindi man lng natin alam ang kanilang idolohiya db. www.luwaran.com official website ng MILF. like what i said bata p ako, maybe anak mo n ako sir.

kung magandang naidulot ang MILF.. MARAMI at malaki. if u are a ISLAM believer and u live in Central Mindanao, makikita mo. pero ako mismo aaminin ko, self interest n ang iba sa mga pinono ng MILF sa ngayon.. not like sa dating pamamahala ni LATE Hassem Salamat.

MILF is not against the Government, Government is against MILF.. tama ba? waaaaaaaa. hindi ko n kaya mag explain sir:)


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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #114 on: July 12, 2009, 11:22:53 pm »
I suggest that we live among the people in Mindanao and find out what they, the majority, really want.  And not make our judgments and commentaries based on what a few selfish people project to be the will of the people.  Trust me, look at where our country is because of what a few projected to be the will of the people.

Simply put, it is not the military organization that corruption should be blamed on... look deeper and we may even be surprised.  What is needed is political will.

A few thoughts: 

MNLF=MNLF=ASG.  Therefore...  (although the MILF and MNLF differ, they are, unfortunately from the same bloodline)

"He who captures the media has the lead"

Why is it that certain Governors/Vice Governors get away with their supposed "pambili ng sigarilyo na 50K dahil nakakaawa ang porma nila" and sometimes "board and lodging"?  Gusto ng inyong military na matapos ang kaguluhan. Sila ang unang napeperwisyo...buhay nila.  Think about it.

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #115 on: July 18, 2009, 12:25:35 am »
If we are planing to do something to this guys abu, etc.
First is pagbabago sa mga corrupt government officials.
Lahat ng kaguluhan ay nagsisimula sa isang bagay, parang kadina.
Dahil sa corrupt ang nasa taas, ang budget sana sa education para sa
mga mahihirap ay nawala, livelihood budget nawala din. Mga highways na
sira2x which is magdadala sana ng mabilis na kalakalan.
Ang mahirap ay lalong nag hihirap dahil sa corrupt officials.
Ang dapat patayin o sunugin is ang mga corrupt officials.
Dahil kung hindi ninakaw ang mga budget nayan, na educate sana
itong mga nag aaklas sa gobyerno saka nabigyan ng pangkabuhayan.

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #116 on: July 24, 2009, 06:15:44 am »


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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #117 on: July 24, 2009, 07:17:21 am »
tawagin natin si Jack Bauer tiyak ubos lahat ng terrorists dito sa Pinas

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #118 on: September 22, 2009, 10:19:31 am »
si mr. manhattan nalang
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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #119 on: October 06, 2009, 10:55:51 am »
have a spy on them..hmm mahirap ksi tlga silang tugisin dhl may 2mu2long sa kanila..

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #120 on: October 06, 2009, 01:18:53 pm »
dapat si aldo rayne ang tawagin natin atsaka yung squad nya...

we must be cruel to the terrorists, they will know the evidence of our cruelty from the dismembered disfigured bodies of their members...

this is our home and if they cant behave we scalp each one of them...


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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #121 on: October 11, 2009, 09:34:14 pm »
Very Simple para matapos ang lahat ng ito nuke those bastards

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #122 on: October 12, 2009, 01:18:33 am »
Very Simple para matapos ang lahat ng ito nuke those bastards

hehehe..wala tayong nuclear capabilities..hehehe..bahain nalang natin sila...lets flood them nalang..
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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #123 on: October 12, 2009, 03:20:50 am »
Isa lang ang masasabi ko.

All Military dealings is all about Business.

Pag tinapos na kasi ng Military ang mga operations nila ay mawawalan na sila ng budget at lalo na mawawalang ng kita. Lahat ng mga offensive attacks nila is puro pa-pogi points lang. At laging ang mga kawawa ay yung mga enlisted personels na nasa frontline.

Parang Helpdesk support lang yan. Kung mawawalan ng issue mawawalang ng trabaho ang Helpdesk Tech at magbabawas ng tao sa group.

sir eto ba yung sinasabing "war industry"?

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Re: What shall we do against MILF, MNLF, NPA, ABU?
« Reply #124 on: October 12, 2009, 09:22:41 pm »
hehehe..wala tayong nuclear capabilities..hehehe..bahain nalang natin sila...lets flood them nalang..


madali lang yung bili sila sa black market bakit ang lakas nilang mangurakot  tapos di sila bibili ng nuke underground