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DND wants delivery of 4 fighter jets ASAP
« on: July 13, 2013, 10:24:47 am »
MANILA, Philippines — Two days after President Benigno Aquino III vowed more support for the Philippine Air Force, a defense undersecretary disclosed the department is working for the immediate delivery of at least 4 of the total 12 FA-50 fighter jets it will be purchasing from South Korea.

Defense Undersecretary Fernando Manalo said the Department of National Defense (DND) has begun negotiations with the Korean Aerospace Industry (KAI) while it is waiting for Malacañang's final approval of the sales agreement. It will be a government-to-government procurement that requires multi-year obligational authority from the Department of Budget and Management (DBM).

"Once we get confirmation of the sales agreement and once we get the multi-year obligational authority from DBM, we can start formal negotiations and we can schedule the delivery of at least 4 fighter jets," Manalo told reporters.

"We are negotiating for the immediate delivery of a certain number out of the 12 we are going to procure. We are hoping we can get at least four so our pilots can start their training," Manalo added.

The Philippines retired the last of its US-designed F-5 fighters in 2005 and lacks air defense.

'Minimum deterrence'

In May, Aquino announced a P75-billion military upgrade to defend the country's territory against "bullies." The 12 fighter jets will cost P18.9 billion, part of the 24 items in the shopping list of the AFP.

READ: P75-B boost for PH navy to resist 'bullies' and PH to buy 12 South Korean fighter jets

The AFP modernization will give the Philippines "minimum deterrence capability" so that other countries would "think twice about waging wars against us," Manalo said. Manila is embroiled in a diplomatic row with Beijing over islands in the disputed South China Sea (West Philippine Sea).

The AFP modernization program will serve various purposes, Manalo added.

"We cannot deny that we have an internal security problem. We cannot deny that there are terrorist threats. We need to assert our rights in the West Philippine Sea," Manalo said.

"We are not advocating war. But we cannot just ask soldiers to defend our rights using only their hands. We have to give them equipment," he said. "Buhay na natin ang nakatalaga dito," he added. (Our lives are at stake here.)

Frigates for the Navy

Two frigates will be procured for the Phippine Navy, too. It will cost P18 billion.

The frigates would add to two refurbished Hamilton-class cutters formerly used by the US Coast Guard that the Philippines acquired from its US ally to upgrade its ageing navy fleet, which includes some vessels that first saw action in World War II.

Manalo is hoping the military's procurement of frigates will give the country a chance to join military exercises with other countries.

Under the 2013 General Appropriation Act, P5-billion was allocated to the "regular fund" of the AFP while P10.6 billion was for "unprogrammed funds." The latter is intended for projects that are awaiting approval.

Manalo said the DND's 2014 budget proposal also includes an allocation of P15 billion for the "unprogrammed fund."

Bases upgrade
Military bases will be upgraded. Manalo said hangars and other infrastructure in various military bases, such as the Naval Base Rafael Ramos in Cebu, will be improved to make them suitable for the new equipment.

Aside from fighter jets and frigates, the Philippines will procure the following:

rocket launcher, handheld radios, night fighting system for the Philippine Army
radar system and long range patrol aircraft for the Air Force
Combat utility helicopter
flight simulator
Lead in fighter trainers
amphibious assault vehicle
Manalo said the objective is to deliver all these within the term of President Aquino. Outside the P75-billion budget, the DND is also procuring 55,000 assault rifles. — Rappler.com





http://www.rappler.com/nation/32793-philippines-delivery-fighter-jets

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Re: DND wants delivery of 4 fighter jets ASAP
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2013, 11:45:46 am »
hindi kasi inalagaan nyang nanay ni penoy pati yung mga sumunod na naupo sa Malacañang yung blue diamonds ni President Marcos tsk..


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Re: DND wants delivery of 4 fighter jets ASAP
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2013, 12:22:15 pm »
trainer jets..huh..the govt is a family runned business  laffman::

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Re: DND wants delivery of 4 fighter jets ASAP
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2013, 12:37:21 pm »
OK na yan. kesa naman sa mga second hand na helicopter ni ate Glo sa presyong brand new...

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Re: DND wants delivery of 4 fighter jets ASAP
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2013, 12:37:34 pm »
Wala kasing long term plan ang government natin para sa modernization after 1986, ang ginawang long term plan instead is corruption...

Hinde tutuo na hinde natin kayang bumili!

Ever since naman kaya nating maka afford ng mga military hardwares / Upgrade, kaya lang puro pag nanakaw ang inatupag nang mga government officials natin.

Likas na Mayaman ang Pilipinas madami tayong natural resources, isama mo na diyan yung mga contribution / remittance ng mga OFW natin worth billions.

ang tutuong nagpapahirap sa bansa natin is mga politician.

Ngayun Biglang nag karoon ng Budget Kung hinde pa tayo inapi ng mga neighboring countries natin especially China hinde pa tayo mag upgrade.

so it goes to show na may pera talaga!

 isipin na lang natin kung magkano ang budget sa pork barrel every year sobrang laki ng figure.

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Re: DND wants delivery of 4 fighter jets ASAP
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2013, 05:46:40 pm »
atleast we have fighter jets na din na bago...

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Re: DND wants delivery of 4 fighter jets ASAP
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2013, 01:52:39 am »

ito ata yan...


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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2013, 02:38:03 am »
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Wala kasing long term plan ang government natin para sa modernization after 1986, ang ginawang long term plan instead is corruption...

Hinde tutuo na hinde natin kayang bumili!

Ever since naman kaya nating maka afford ng mga military hardwares / Upgrade, kaya lang puro pag nanakaw ang inatupag nang mga government officials natin.

Likas na Mayaman ang Pilipinas madami tayong natural resources, isama mo na diyan yung mga contribution / remittance ng mga OFW natin worth billions.

ang tutuong nagpapahirap sa bansa natin is mga politician.

Ngayun Biglang nag karoon ng Budget Kung hinde pa tayo inapi ng mga neighboring countries natin especially China hinde pa tayo mag upgrade.

so it goes to show na may pera talaga!

 isipin na lang natin kung magkano ang budget sa pork barrel every year sobrang laki ng figure. /quote]

true yan and they keep harassing the dead president which is Mccoy ang to justify the debt of Pinas lagi nilang sinasabi minana minana minanana where in fact kaya naman natin bayarin ito

tama yan yung natural resources we have 1-2 trillion dollars worth of natural resources inland and offshore  it is enough to pay the debt of USA today even our own debt even we have the third largest gold reserves i don't know if asia or world in compostela valley alone we have a million metric tons of gold ore and gold is the foundation of money in economics

back to topic sana hindi lang pagbili yung inaatupag dapat pati spare parts  kasama sa deal hindi katulad sa barko e maraming tayong magiging na repairman subic at cebu may shipyard ang pinas controlled nga lang ng mga foriegner


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Re: DND wants delivery of 4 fighter jets ASAP
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2013, 05:09:59 am »
1965 pa yung mga F5s ng Pilipinas
Ginamit at inalagaan pa ito after Marcos left the country, panlaban sa mga kudeta, NPA at Muslim rebels up to 2005 kung kelan ito ni-retire o decommissioned.


"In 1973, the “Blue Diamonds” performed together with two other Philippine Air Force aerobatic teams, the “Red Aces” and the “Golden Sabres”, that had been created the year before. In 1974, the team increased back to six aircraft but in 1977 the team decreased to just four because of a fuel crisis. Then, the following year, the team was disbanded altogether.
In 1986, the Blue Diamonds were reactivated again, this time flying with six F-5As."
http://aerobaticteams.net/paf-blue-diamonds.html

F5-A jets used by the blue diamonds (aerobatic team) and PAF are now almost 40+ years old.

The FA-50s from South Korea are all brand new fighter jets. This will also be used by the South Korean air force to augment their higher level fighter jets(ito yung hindi pa kayang bilhin ng bansa base sa kasalukuyang budget).

Sana ituloy ni Binay sa 2016 ang AFP modernization. (Off-topic: Assuming ako na si Binay ang mananalo sa 2016 kasi wala namang kalaban na matunog kesa sa kanya. Sino ang iboboto ng tao si Roxas? Si Revilla?  laffman:: Si Gordon sana pwede, kaya lang siguradong hindi sya mananalo over Binay. O baka tatakbo si Erap for president sa 2016?  ;D )

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Re: DND wants delivery of 4 fighter jets ASAP
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2013, 07:38:41 am »
(Off-topic: Assuming ako na si Binay ang mananalo sa 2016 kasi wala namang kalaban na matunog kesa sa kanya. Sino ang iboboto ng tao si Roxas? Si Revilla?  laffman:: Si Gordon sana pwede, kaya lang siguradong hindi sya mananalo over Binay. O baka tatakbo si Erap for president sa 2016?  ;D )

Binay/Marcos/Hagedorn/Gordon/Duterte/Santiago = sana sa 2016 magkaron ng chance na magsamasama sa isang group/team yang mga yan...powerhouse...


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Re: DND wants delivery of 4 fighter jets ASAP
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2013, 10:12:58 am »
Kung hindi lang sana kinurakot ang KABAN ng bayan at itinago sa ibang bansa ang yaman ng pamahalaan Dati.. Baka sakaling hindi lang ganyan ang pwedeng bilhin ng gobyernong kasalukuyan.

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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2013, 10:39:27 pm »
i hope one day aahon din ang pinas... at kaya na nating tapatan ang neighbouring countries....

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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2013, 03:05:29 am »
The FA-50 was developed by Korea after getting technical cooperation from Lockheed. That is what I have always been egging BCDA to do since BCDA was primarily formed to secure funds for AFP modernization. What BCDA should do is to purchase designs or technologies from advanced countries and build the jets here. That will not just create jobs but also enhance our military hardware manufacturing capability.

In the same manner, I do not think the FA50 has had actual combat use. As of now, I guess, it is what I call "props" - parang sa movie.  If the AFP wants to buy, why not buy the Rafale or the Grippen?  They can configure those as multi-role.
Senyor Simyon has a lot of money after settling with the Marcoses in Washington DC two years ago. Where is the money?

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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2013, 04:11:32 am »
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The FA-50 was developed by Korea after getting technical cooperation from Lockheed. That is what I have always been egging BCDA to do since BCDA was primarily formed to secure funds for AFP modernization. What BCDA should do is to purchase designs or technologies from advanced countries and build the jets here. That will not just create jobs but also enhance our military hardware manufacturing capability.

In the same manner, I do not think the FA50 has had actual combat use. As of now, I guess, it is what I call "props" - parang sa movie.  If the AFP wants to buy, why not buy the Rafale or the Grippen?  They can configure those as multi-role.
Senyor Simyon has a lot of money after settling with the Marcoses in Washington DC two years ago. Where is the money? -

he bought some Porsche that he cannot drive in edsa

that's true FA50 pang porma lang and every take off e kailangan mong palitan ng pyesa so kailangan mong bumili ng added value pyesa sa SOKOR 

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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2013, 04:34:19 am »
he bought some Porsche that he cannot drive in edsa

that's true FA50 pang porma lang and every take off e kailangan mong palitan ng pyesa so kailangan mong bumili ng added value pyesa sa SOKOR 

every takeoff may kailangang bilhing piyesa?  TALAGA?  CRAP!  eh sino naman kayang MATALINO ang nakaisip na yan ang bilhin?  ano kaya ang kanyang BASIS at anong MATHEMATICAL EQUATION ang ginamit niya para mapuntang ganyan ang bilhin? 
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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2013, 11:40:09 pm »
naku nagsalita na naman mga henyo. . .  ::lmao
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2013, 02:02:24 am »

In the same manner, I do not think the FA50 has had actual combat use. As of now, I guess, it is what I call "props" - parang sa movie.  If the AFP wants to buy, why not buy the Rafale or the Grippen?  They can configure those as multi-role.
Senyor Simyon has a lot of money after settling with the Marcoses in Washington DC two years ago. Where is the money?

Seriously? the last fighter jet the PAF flew was vietnam era F-5A "freedom fighters" (not the more advanced Tiger II), very entry level 3rd gen aircrafts. And now your asking them to jump to advanced Gen 4.5+ jets? You got to be kidding right? Ang pag bili ng fighter jets hindi yan parang pagbili ng kotse na pag dumating eh pwede mo na i-drive pa uwi.

At, alam nyo ba kung magkano ang operational cost ng Rafale? Eto basahin nyo:

http://www.stratpost.com/gripen-operational-cost-lowest-of-all-western-fighters-janes

Ano yan pag nabili ipaparada lang at hindi gagamitin?


Also, linawin lang natin. Ang FA-50 ay hindi totoong fighter jet. Isa yang LIFT or Lead-in Fighter Trainer. Meron pong hiwalay na proyekto ang Air force natin para sa acquisition ng totoong fighter jets and yes kasama sa tinitingnan nila ang JAS-39 Gripen.

So, bakit nga ba FA-50? Simple lang. Dahil ito ang kayang bilhin at paliparin ng PAF sa ngayon. Masyadong mahal ang mga true-blue fighters at wala din namang expirience ang Air Force natin na paliparin at i-maintain ang mga ganong eroplano. The FA-50 is an interim solution much like the Hamiltons for the navy. Its main purpose is to get the PAF "back to speed" and at the same time, give the PAF some figthing capabilities when the need arise. Its not meant to be the main combatant of the air force (its not designed for that role). In the future, given the experience of operating the FA-50 and with available funds, we might get real fighters. For the meantime, the FA-50 would be our "pwede -na-yan fighter" (hopefully not for long)

that's true FA50 pang porma lang and every take off e kailangan mong palitan ng pyesa so kailangan mong bumili ng added value pyesa sa SOKOR 

Seryoso? sinong ungas ang gagamit nyan kung ganoon? parang walang kwenta kung every take-off may kailangang palitan na pyesa. Kung ganyan pala bakit kaya T-50 family din ang binili ng Indonesia? at may order din ang SoKor na FA-50 para kapalit nung mga F-5 nila? ang dami pala talagang ungas sa mundo.  laffman:: laffman::
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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2013, 04:57:01 am »
naku nagsalita na naman mga henyo. . .  ::lmao

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