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12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« on: March 03, 2013, 08:15:17 pm »

ABS-CBNnews.comPosted at 03/04/2013 7:33 AM | Updated as of 03/04/2013 7:33 AM



 

1.     At least twelve people died in the latest clash between Malaysian forces and members of the Sulu sultanate royal army, a Malaysian news agency reported on Sunday evening.

 

2.    Bernama said another Malaysian policeman was killed in an ambush that began late Saturday in Kampung Sri Jaya, Siminul, Semporna in Sabah, bringing the number of police fatalities to six.

 

3.    "Their identities will be revealed to their respective families before being posted on the official website of the Royal Malaysian Police," Bernama quoted Inspector-General of Police, Tan Sri Ismail Omar, as saying.

 

4.    The news agency also quoted Ismail as saying that 6 armed intruders were killed in the exchange of fire.The report said a rescue operation that was launched following the ambush ended at 7 p.m. At least 19 policemen were rescued.

 

5.    The slain policemen, Ismail said, were tasked to carry out an investigation in the village due to reports of presence of armed men. They were allegedly shot while approaching a house in the village.Ismail also denied a claim by the sultanate that four Malaysian officials have been held hostage.

 

6.    "This is just a rumor and I ask the public not to believe any rumor on the incident," Ismail said, adding that the situation in the village had returned to normal.

 

Friday clash

 

1.   The shootout late Saturday in the town of Semporna followed a firefight a day earlier between Filipino followers of a self-proclaimed sultan and Malaysian security forces that left 12 intruders dead along with two police officers.

 

2.   Semporna is 300 kilometers from Tanduo village, where an estimated 100 to 300 people have been encircled by Malaysian police and soldiers since landing by boat from the Philippines on February 12 to claim the area for their leader.

 

3.   The 74-year-old Manila-based leader, Jamalul Kiram III, claims to be heir to the Islamic sultanate of Sulu, which once controlled parts of the southern Philippines and the modern-day Malaysian state of Sabah on Borneo island.

 

4.   Malaysian officials called for calm but various reports painted a picture of chaos in the area.It was not immediately made clear whether the Semporna attackers were still at large.

 

5.   Meanwhile, Malaysian media quoted Ismail as saying police were pursuing yet another group of armed men in Kunak, another town in the region.

 

6.   The new incidents sparked Malaysian fears of a wider campaign by other intruders or their supporters in Sabah, which has large numbers of Filipino immigrants -- both legal and illegal.

 

7.   The Philippine embassy in Kuala Lumpur issued a statement urging calm among Filipinos. "We feel and understand the anxieties felt by many of you at these difficult times," it said. "This is not the time to undertake any action that might be misunderstood by some parties."

 

8.   The situation is delicate for the Southeast Asian neighbors. The Philippine government is looking to consolidate recent progress in mending fences with Islamic separatists in its partly Muslim south.

 

9.   The government of Muslim-majority Malaysia, meanwhile, could face pressure at home if harsh action is taken against the Islamic Filipino intruders, which also could inflame Sabah's many Filipinos.

 

10.                Following Friday's firefight Malaysian police threatened "drastic action" if they did not surrender.

 

Kiram defiant

 

1.   Philippine President Benigno Aquino III, who has sharply criticized the intruders, has also urged them to give up.But Kiram's spokesman Abraham Idjirani repeated Sunday his followers would not budge. He said the sultan would seek the intervention of the United States, which colonized the Philippines in the early 1900s.

 

2.   "(Malaysians) want to hide the truth -- that they do not own Sabah. It is owned by us," he said in an interview on Philippine radio.

 

3.   Sabah state police chief Hamza Taib said several villagers in Semporna beat to death a man armed with a grenade launcher who had gathered several people at a mosque on Sunday, Malaysia's The Star newspaper reported.

 

4.   The sensational events have embarrassed Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak -- who must call elections by June -- by exposing lax border security and fuelling perceptions of lawlessness and massive illegal immigration into Sabah.

 

5.   Lim Kit Siang, a top opposition leader, said the government was not being forthcoming enough with information from Sabah and the police fatalities "could have been avoided if the whole situation had been properly handled".

 

6.   The Sulu sultanate's power faded about a century ago but it has continued to receive nominal Malaysian payments for Sabah under a lease deal inherited from European colonial powers.

 

7.     Kiram's people are demanding Malaysia recognize that the sultanate owns Sabah and share profits from economic development in the state. - with Agence France-Presse

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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2013, 08:33:48 pm »
updates:

Due to media black-out it was rumoured Malaysian casualties 10-40+.

Another batch of 100+ Tausug Warriors just landed in North Borneo.

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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2013, 08:42:19 pm »
Sir enlighten me, hinahanap ko yung previous news dito regarding sa standoff na to. Mahirap din hanapin sa net na may reliable source. Bakit may involved na mga Filipino?

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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2013, 08:43:44 pm »
OMG getting worst case scenario. . .  sa huli malaysian government pa din mananalo dito. . .    smoking::  

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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2013, 08:48:22 pm »
I can just imagine Beijing laughing over these developments right now. They're most likely going to point out that the Philippines has no right taking the territorial dispute in the West Philippine Sea before UNCLOS if we ourselves are employing armed force to take other territories ourselves.

The scary part is that Beijing might be offering Malaysia their "assistance" behind the scenes to protect Sabah. Given how quickly things went from bad to worse, Malaysia might just be inclined to accept.
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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2013, 08:51:05 pm »
Sir enlighten me, hinahanap ko yung previous news dito regarding sa standoff na to. Mahirap din hanapin sa net na may reliable source. Bakit may involved na mga Filipino?

Sir,. Kiram is a Filipino Muslim . . .

Main article: 2013 Lahad Datu standoff
Beginning on February 9, 2013, approximately 200 men led by Jamalul Kiram's brother landed illegally in Lahad Datu, a province of the Malaysian state of Sabah, staking the Sulu Sultanate's claim to the state. The men of whom are armed heavily engaged a standoff with Malaysian police. Jamalul Kiram III was reported to have directed the men not to leave, as Malaysia "is only renting" Sabah from the heirs of the Sultanate despite being requested to leave by their president Aquino who does not condone this method of confrontation.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamalul_Kiram_III


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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2013, 10:42:28 pm »
Sir,. Kiram is a Filipino Muslim . . .

Main article: 2013 Lahad Datu standoff
Beginning on February 9, 2013, approximately 200 men led by Jamalul Kiram's brother landed illegally in Lahad Datu, a province of the Malaysian state of Sabah, staking the Sulu Sultanate's claim to the state. The men of whom are armed heavily engaged a standoff with Malaysian police. Jamalul Kiram III was reported to have directed the men not to leave, as Malaysia "is only renting" Sabah from the heirs of the Sultanate despite being requested to leave by their president Aquino who does not condone this method of confrontation.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamalul_Kiram_III



thanks for the info Sir.

If I remember my history right, the royalties of Sulu actually originated from Malaysia/Indonesia the Kirams may actually have historical claim over these lands however it is bounded now by recent territorial law boundaries.

Is this the trade off na ngayon sa binigay na autonomous power sa Sulu wherein our administration can only give a 'request' and not a directive?

Im not a Muslim or a Tausug but I give a lot of respect to our traditional royalties from the South, they provide 'richness' to our somehow vague culture. I hope they agree to terms bago pa may maraming mamatay.

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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2013, 12:33:50 am »
thanks for the info Sir.

If I remember my history right, the royalties of Sulu actually originated from Malaysia/Indonesia the Kirams may actually have historical claim over these lands however it is bounded now by recent territorial law boundaries.

Is this the trade off na ngayon sa binigay na autonomous power sa Sulu wherein our administration can only give a 'request' and not a directive?

Im not a Muslim or a Tausug but I give a lot of respect to our traditional royalties from the South, they provide 'richness' to our somehow vague culture. I hope they agree to terms bago pa may maraming mamatay.

The first sultan of Sulu came from Malaysia. Their historical claim did not come from them being former Malaysians. It was a gift from the Sultan of Borneo (the island where Sabah is located). Nung dumating ang mga British sa Malaysia, nagkaroon cla ng agreement na pa-rentahan ang Sabah.

May short history din ako ni-post dito: http://espiya.net/forum/index.php/topic,150962.0.html

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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2013, 01:58:00 am »
It is a gift nga

in a point in time of history there is a conflict in Brunei a sultan asked for assistance in his neighboring country that is Sulu. The sulu sultan agreed to help and they won the battle as a gift the Sultan of Brunei gave Borneo.  The Sultan of Sulu desperately told the Malaysians that they have evidence that proves their sovereignty in Sabah  but the malaysian authority viewed it as a falsified documents it happen decades ago

In time Marcos he planned to reclaim Sabah

In time of Joseph Estrada the sultan went to the international committee to discuss this matters and still no news after that

In Pnoy time the sultan attack and he threaten the Sultan that he will go to Jail

The problem of PNOY he is not thinking again
he told Kiram to go home thats Good but he added that if Kiram will go home he will go to jail tsk tsk Idiocracy to its finess syempre di uuwi tinakot ni Pnoy

Hindi natin masisi si Kiram sa totoo lang ang daming nadedeport dyan na galing sa Sabah binabalik sa Mindanao

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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2013, 04:55:37 am »
The first sultan of Sulu came from Malaysia. Their historical claim did not come from them being former Malaysians. It was a gift from the Sultan of Borneo (the island where Sabah is located). Nung dumating ang mga British sa Malaysia, nagkaroon cla ng agreement na pa-rentahan ang Sabah.

May short history din ako ni-post dito: http://espiya.net/forum/index.php/topic,150962.0.html

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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2013, 12:19:55 pm »




Ang linaw naman pala sa Philippines(sultan of sulu) ang sabah.Ang deed naman between sultan of sulu and british company hindi naman British Empire(MALAYSIA).

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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2013, 10:48:34 pm »
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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2013, 05:21:43 am »



Malaysian security forces are now facing battle-tested, Malaysian-trained commanders of the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF), who know Sabah like the palm of their hands.
Hadji Acmad Bayam, former chief propagandist of the MNLF, revealed this yesterday to the Manila Bulletin, adding that these MNLF forces may have at their disposal a huge arsenal, which they hid deep in Sabah's rugged terrain when they returned to the Philippines after their rigid training.
Among the firearms are Belgian-made G1 and FAL, which the late Libya leader Colonel Moammar Khadafy supplied through Malaysia.
Bayam said he was confident the Malaysian authorities were not able to find the hidden MNLF firearms because they were kept very well by the MNLF commanders who stayed behind in Sabah.
During that training, Malaysian military trainors even joked about the firearms at the MNLF training camp on Jampiras Island, off Sabah, as they turned over Khadafy's weapons' supply.
"We are not even sure if the firearms we are giving you will not be turned against," the Malaysian trainors had said in a jest.
"Well, speaking of self-fulfilling prophecy," Bayam said, recalling the jokes of the Malaysian trainors.
Now, Filipinos in Sabah, who are not part of the forces of the Sultanate of Sulu, have already joined the fighting in reaction to what they perceived as Malaysian "atrocities" for killing Imam Maas and his four sons at 7:50 p.m. Saturday.
He recalled that Malaysia's leadership had even suspected the then chief minister of Sabah, Tun Mustapha, a Tausug from Sulu, of "conspiring" with MNLF Chairman Nur Misuari to secede the oil-rich island.
"You know, if Mindanao is to Manila, Sabah is to Kuala Lumpur," said Bayam, explaining that Mindanao and Sabah are the "milking cows" of the Philippines and Malaysia, respectively, for their rich natural resources.
Bayam, who yielded to then President Fidel V. Ramos, stayed in Sabah, Malaysia, for nine years before the peace talks with the Ramos administration in 1993.
Bayam stayed in Sabah on-and-off, in 1976-79, in 1980-1986, among other dates.
Further, he said many of the seasoned rebel commanders and rank-and-file members chose to remain on Sabah island to live there.
Majority of them are from Sulu, Tawi-Tawi, Zamboanga Peninsula, but there are also Maguindanaons, Iranons, and probably Maranaos, he said.
A few days ago, he said one of the MNLF foreign-trained commanders belonging to the Top 90 Batch, told him that he was enlisting Tausug warriors and others for reinforcement to the Royal Security Force (RSF) of the Sultanate of Sulu.
"I was trying to contact him yesterday but his phone cannot be reached anymore. I guess he was able to penetrate the Malaysian and Philippine sea-borne blockades in their respective borders.
Bayam described the commander "as soft-spoken but firm and true leader-fighter in actual shooting war." However, he requested that the commander's name be not made public.
Last Sunday, Abraham J. Idjirani, spokesman of Sultan Jamalul Kiram III, said 40 people from Basilan, Sulu, Tawi-Tawi, and Zamboanga Peninsula breached the blockades and reached Lahad Datu, Sabah, scene of the standoff that erupted into a firefight.
He said there are many others who are now trying to go to Sabah and help the sultan's followers led by Rajah Muda Agbimuddin Kiram.
Bayam said that with the way the situation in Sabah is going on, he sees no turning back.
On the other hand, he said this gives the United States an opportunity to correct its "historical error" it committed against the Moro people.
He said this was even acknowledged by the administration of then President George Bush in response to a letter from the late Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) Chairman Ustadhz Salamat Hashim.
Cooler heads should put themselves at work and resolve the issue on Sabah claim.
"This is the best time and opportunity," Bayam said. "They should seize the fleeting opportunity or lost it forever."
"As the only leader of the free world, the only guardian of human rights, freedom and democracy, the American government has the opportunity to correct the historical error against the Moro people," Bayam said.
Feeling Abandoned
Meanwhile, Sultan Jamalul Kiram III who still feeling abandoned by the Philippines yesterday said they are now relying on the United Nations, United States, and United Kingdom for help.
He said they are no longer waiting for any help from the administration of President Benigno S. Aquino III because none is coming anyway.
Kiram aired his sentiments on DZMM radio early Monday morning.
"We are not waiting anymore. No more. There is no help (from the Philippines)," he said in
Filipino.
He said now they will rely on the UN, US, and UK.
On the appeal of the President to preserve the lives of the Sultanate of Sulu's followers in Lahad Datu, Sabah, the sultan struck a defiant mood.
"No more. There is no more preservation... it's in the hands of Almighty Allah," the sultan said.
As this developed, former congressman Satur Ocampo, Dr. Carol Araullo, both Bagong Alyansang Makabayan, and Vice President Rafaelita Gonio of the Philippine Constitution Association (Philconsa), paid a visit yesterday at Astanah Kiram in Maharlika Village, Taguig City.
Ocampo and Araullo expressed support to the cause of the Kirams in trying to claim Sabah from Malaysia.
Ocampo said that the President should review the government's stand because the new developments.
Gonio said her support is a personal one because Philconsa has not yet made its position on the issue.
At about 12:20 p.m. also yesterday, another militant, independent senatorial candidate Teddy Casino also arrived to visit the sultan.
Early Sunday evening, former secretary of Department of National Defense (DND) Norberto Gonzales made a surprised visit at Astanah Kiram, as he belied allegations he had a hand in the Sabah standoff.
He said he saw the sultan on television and felt sad for his condition.
On Malacañang's allegations he was allegedly one of the "instigators" of the Sabah standoff, he said he did not know about it.
Whether he is a "collaborator" in the now bloody standoff, he had an answer.
"If being a friend (makes you) a collaborator, then I am a collaborator," said Gonzales, the former former National Security Adviser of then President and now Pampanga Rep. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo.



source : http://ph.news.yahoo.com/malaysian-trained-mnlf-fighters-join-kiram-forces-133146073.html

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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2013, 10:05:18 am »
Yun mga MNLF ay meron ng mahigit 20 taon ng actual combat experience.  Yun mga Malaysians ay walang experience sa pakikidigma.  Malaysia has only 28M citizens and Kuala Lumpur is like travelling from HK to Manila sa layo. Sabi nga ni McArthur before, he can conquer the world with just 10,000 Filipinos.  Kun partida na lang at 10pct lang ang isasabak natin which is 1, 000 Filipino warriors, sigurado na kuha na agad natin ang Malaysia. Sa totoo lang, ang mga armas ng Malaysians ay nabili lang ng dahil sa corruption at malamang na pang display lang dahil nakikipag paramihan sila ng armas sa Singapore. Pero sa totoo lang, the armies of both have not engaged in any war so they really have no combat experience.  It may be a war of attrition pero sa dami lang, I can bet anyone here na walang laban ang mga Malaysians sa digmaan sa Pinoy. Kun patuloy ang pag okupa ng mga Kiram sa Sabah, di kayang ma sustain ng Malaysia ang tuloy tuloy na pakikidigma. Ang solusyon ay hayaan muna natin mamroblema ang Malaysia and after a  while, they will see the futility of keeping Sabah because it will be a drain to their resources. Ibibigay din yan sa atin after this zarzuela ng "gyera".  In the process, Senyor Simyon loses his political capital at matatalo lahat ng kandidato nya sa Lower House at Senado because he will be perceived as a weakling and a eunuch who can not stand for what is right and for being the only politician na pinabayaan ang kanyang mga kababayan sa hirap at panganib. The worst is the possibility of losing his position on impeachment charges.

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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2013, 10:40:23 am »
Yun mga MNLF ay meron ng mahigit 20 taon ng actual combat experience.  Yun mga Malaysians ay walang experience sa pakikidigma.  Malaysia has only 28M citizens and Kuala Lumpur is like travelling from HK to Manila sa layo. Sabi nga ni McArthur before, he can conquer the world with just 10,000 Filipinos.  Kun partida na lang at 10pct lang ang isasabak natin which is 1, 000 Filipino warriors, sigurado na kuha na agad natin ang Malaysia. Sa totoo lang, ang mga armas ng Malaysians ay nabili lang ng dahil sa corruption at malamang na pang display lang dahil nakikipag paramihan sila ng armas sa Singapore. Pero sa totoo lang, the armies of both have not engaged in any war so they really have no combat experience.  It may be a war of attrition pero sa dami lang, I can bet anyone here na walang laban ang mga Malaysians sa digmaan sa Pinoy. Kun patuloy ang pag okupa ng mga Kiram sa Sabah, di kayang ma sustain ng Malaysia ang tuloy tuloy na pakikidigma. Ang solusyon ay hayaan muna natin mamroblema ang Malaysia and after a  while, they will see the futility of keeping Sabah because it will be a drain to their resources. Ibibigay din yan sa atin after this zarzuela ng "gyera".  In the process, Senyor Simyon loses his political capital at matatalo lahat ng kandidato nya sa Lower House at Senado because he will be perceived as a weakling and a eunuch who can not stand for what is right and for being the only politician na pinabayaan ang kanyang mga kababayan sa hirap at panganib. The worst is the possibility of losing his position on impeachment charges.

I'd take that wager, m'sieur (for PhP 100, since I'm not as wealthy as you presumably are), were it not for one thing: the incumbent president of the Philippines is named Benigno Simeon Cojuangco Aquino III and not whoever this "Senyor Simyon" is that you've been blathering about for quite some time.

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Re: 12 killed in fresh clashes in Malaysian Borneo
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2013, 03:11:17 am »
tama let the Malaysian ang mamoblema dito

Guerrilla warfare is the best war of attrition madami ng natalo dito

 tsaka ilang billion ang ginagastos ng Pinas para lang mapanatili ang peace and order sa Mindanao at least sa Malaysia na sila nanggugulo har har