Espiya
Motoring and Automotive => The Garage/Gulong => : lawrencium February 10, 2016, 05:48:26 AM
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sigurado, may foul play yon at orporate driven itong issue na to kase mabenta yung mga montero units at tinalo na nito ang toyota so toyota ang nang ha highjack ng mga computer system ng montero para mag sua.
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Baka kumakain ng TAE yung montero
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Toyota agad nasisi?
Hindi ba pwedeng human error lang talaga? laffman::
usapang tae na naman to. hahaha
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it's too many to be considered as human error... surely may glitch sa program ng box nila or sa mga piyesa... anyway, sa AT model lang naman nila ang problem...
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" May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero"
Misleading topic. No reference, parang conspiracy theory mo lang ito. Pano mo napatunayan yan? Sa ginagawa mo, nagiinitiate ka lang ng gulo dahil binanggit mo pa ang toyota. Libel ata tawag dito sir.
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" May foul play talaga sa mga sudden unintended acceleration ng mga montero"
sigurado, may foul play yon at orporate driven itong issue na to kase mabenta yung mga montero units at tinalo na nito ang toyota so toyota ang nang ha highjack ng mga computer system ng montero para mag sua.
Misleading topic. No reference, parang conspiracy theory mo lang ito. Pano mo napatunayan yan? Sa ginagawa mo, nagiinitiate ka lang ng gulo dahil binanggit mo pa ang toyota. Libel ata tawag dito sir.
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it's too many to be considered as human error... surely may glitch sa program ng box nila or sa mga piyesa... anyway, sa AT model lang naman nila ang problem...
can't say too many din.. sa ibang bansa wala naman atang SUA..
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sigurado, may foul play yon at orporate driven itong issue na to kase mabenta yung mga montero units at tinalo na nito ang toyota so toyota ang nang ha highjack ng mga computer system ng montero para mag sua.
From the it side, i would say highly unlikely yan.. Simply because yung mga systems made for singular purposes are easy to secure and fix, lalo na kung pinpointed naman na yung problem, all it would take is one rollout of updates.
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seems like dito lang satin ang may ganyang reports... alarming though since medyo marami ng complaints...
http://www.mb.com.ph/no-recall-on-montero-sport-units-mitsubishi-phl-official-says/
To date, there are 97 complaints on SUA of Montero Sport units. Thirteen of these complaints were filed in the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI), the official said.
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nung unang ipalabas sa tv control akala ko human error lang, then naglabas sila ng pangalawa human error parin para saken den nung malaman ko 90 plus incident na pala yan eh isinantabi ko na yung human error lalo na't halos parehing pareho yung incident, aatras at bubulusok paabante bigla, then kelan lang may naireport nanamang isa pag aari ng government official dun ko na naisip na may foul play talaga kase yung iba eh antagal na nilang gamit yung unit at ngayon lang nangyari sa kasagsagan ng mga sua incident sa parehong taon?, o glitch talaga sa production sa certain batch ng mga unit? meron din namang recorded sa ibang bansa na sua ng mga montero https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Montero_Sport_sudden_unintended_acceleration_incident
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so.... yung mga Montero na SUA, sa Toyota nag pa PMS? ::laffman
i think it's human error + design flaw ( pedal, or shifter). pwede din may problema talaga ECU.
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ano naman statistic ng ibang models/brand? madaling sabihin na 90+ cases ang montero pero baka naman 90+ cases din ibang model/brand... paano nyo nasabing nakapagtataka? saan nyo na compare? ang bilis maghusga kahit kulang kulang ang nalalaman
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basta wala na dahilandahilan,kasalanan ng toyota,tapos ang usapan
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I think some sa mga reports na yon "naki ride" nalang, sumawsaw.
Parang pag may truck na na-aksidente, ano sinasabi ng driver palagi? "Nawalan po ng preno"
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alam ko e may same case sa ibang bansa
na same design ng montero pero iba lang yung name
dun sa report e may problem talaga yung montero
pinalabas na news ito
at syempre sasabihin ng company nawalang problem ang sasakyan nila e sila kaya ang nagbebenta isip-isip din kung minsan
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to be safe manual kunin na lang... unless this issue is cleared better clear of the automatic unit...
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alam ko e may same case sa ibang bansa
na same design ng montero pero iba lang yung name
dun sa report e may problem talaga yung montero
pinalabas na news ito
at syempre sasabihin ng company nawalang problem ang sasakyan nila e sila kaya ang nagbebenta isip-isip din kung minsan
ibang bansa? that was due to the pedals sticking to the mat and the breaks still overpowered it.
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(http://www.afroautos.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/real_men_use_three_pedals_V3.jpg)
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ko hindi ko talaga gamay ang mga matic na sasakyan, buhat mag maneho ako manual gamit ko pero pokpok parin nanay ni frotomania
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basta ako
bili pa rin ng 2016 montero
top of the line model
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seems like hindi na ito human error
latest case of SUA.
http://news.abs-cbn.com/video/nation/metro-manila/v3/02/17/16/panoorin-biglang-pag-arangkada-ng-montero-ng-retired-general
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MONSTERO
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ibang bansa? that was due to the pedals sticking to the mat and the breaks still overpowered it.
yan ang sinabi ng mga montero napanood ko din yan
may interview sa news sa isang dean ng mechanical engineering sa FEATI at isang expert
pero kung nag-tatrabaho ka or may kamag-anak ka sa mitsubishi tyak sarado na isip mo at sasabihin paninira at propaganda lang dahil ABS-CBN is biased
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNdWT_zzGsQ&feature=youtu.be
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yan ang sinabi ng mga montero napanood ko din yan
may interview sa news sa isang dean ng mechanical engineering sa FEATI at isang expert
pero kung nag-tatrabaho ka or may kamag-anak ka sa mitsubishi tyak sarado na isip mo at sasabihin paninira at propaganda lang dahil ABS-CBN is biased
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNdWT_zzGsQ&feature=youtu.be
ganyan mag imbestiga.. sa likod ng cctv lang...
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ganyan mag imbestiga.. sa likod ng cctv lang...
saan ka ba nagtatatrabaho sa mitsubishi den
http://news.abs-cbn.com/business/12/04/15/runaway-montero-cases-also-recorded-abroad-claims-lawyer
'Runaway' Montero cases also recorded abroad, claims lawyer
MANILA - A lawyer on Friday urged the government to order the recall of allegedly defective Montero Sport units, citing accidents abroad involving the vehicle of Mitsubishi Motors Corporation (MMC).
Speaking to radio dzMM, Atty. Rita Linda Jimeno said accidents rooted in Montero's "sudden unintended acceleration" (SUA) have been recorded in New Zealand and Australia.
Jimeno said the car model's unintended acceleration also killed several people in Israel.
The lawyer also shared that when she first represented Montero owners in SUA complaints in 2012, United Kingdom-based electrical engineer Dr. Anthony Anderson contacted her to offer his expert opinion on the accidents.
Anderson, who has served as expert witness to SUA complaints in New Zealand and Australia, said studies show that unmanned acceleration incidents may be caused by a glitch in the electronic sensors used in controlling the car engine.
"Napag-aralan niya (Anderson) na ang posibleng dahilan daw ay mayroong defect doon sa electronic sensor kapag nagsa-start ang engine. Iyang electronic sensor na iyan, binabasa niya kung time na para umandar," Jimeno quoted Anderson's explanation.
"Pero kapag medyo mahina raw ang battery ng sasakyan, it's possible na magkakaroon ng misreading or mako-confuse iyung sensor na iyun kaya magre-rev up ang engine to make up for the lack of power, dahil napakalaking power ang kailangan para i-start ang engine, kaya biglang mag-a-accelerate."
The glitch causes the vehicle to race off by itself, with the driver unable to bring the vehicle to a halt using the brakes.
The lawyer said Anderson has suggested the recall of the car model and for the manufacturer to install a safety mechanism that will prevent unintended acceleration.
Jimeno urged the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) to invite Anderson to its hearings on the alleged defect. She said the electrical engineer is willing to fly to the Philippines to shed light on SUA cases.
She added that her clients are unsatisfied with the claim of MMC Philippines that attributes SUA incidents to "driver's error."
"Talagang ang mga kliyente namin, galit na galit sila dahil karamihan ang tagal nang nagmamaneho. Tapos kapag inisip natin statistically, kapani-paniwala ba naman na iyung mga nagda-drive ng Montero, sila lang ang hindi marunong tapos iyung mga ibang sasakyang dina-drive, okay naman. Paano nangyari iyun?" she said.
Jimeno urged the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) to invite Anderson to its hearings on the alleged defect. She said the electrical engineer is willing to fly to the Philippines to shed light on SUA cases.
Jimeno said the government could also summon an earlier batch of complainants against the allegedly defective Montero in 2012.
The lawyer is confident that the court can ask for the testimony of her old clients despite a confidentiality agreement they signed with MMC in exchange for financial settlement.
"Kapag po sini-settle ng Montero ang kaso, pinapipirma po sila ng confidentiality agreement na hindi nila pwedeng i-divulge o i-report ang settlement na nangyari. Noong piniramahan po iyun, ang mga tao siyempre kinakailangan nila iyung pera para makabili ng bagong sasakyan," she said.
"Sa legal opinion ko lang, kung kinakailangan silang pagsalitain ngayon dahil involved na ang public interest at under duress naman nilang pinirmahan iyun, sa tingin ko papayagan naman ng hukuman at hindi sila naman matatawag na lumabag sa compromise agreement na iyun."
DTI did not allow the earlier batch of complainants to file a class suit against MMC, Jimeno said.
COVER-UPS?
In Japan, Mitsubishi Motors was previously under fire for alleged vehicle defect cover-ups.
A Japan Times article said that in 2000, Mitsubishi Motors Corp. (MMC) President Katsuhiko Kawasoe resigned amid criticism of the firm’s concealment of customer complaints.
The article, citing investigative sources, said workers at MMC plants in Kawasaki and Okazaki, Aichi Prefecture, secretly repaired defective vehicles that should have been recalled by MMC headquarters.
The Japanese publication also reported another defect scandal in 2004 for MMC's concealment of design flaws in parts for its large vehicles which resulted in a series of accidents, one of them fatal.
Mitsubishi Motors Philippines, meanwhile, has assured the public that the Montero Sport is not defective and is safe.
The firm earlier said it already conducted tests and investigation with MMC to determine the cause of the alleged unintended acceleration.
The company said it "has not found any defects or cause directly linked to the vehicles involved."
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baka sabihin nyo biased yung report
punta tayo sa CNN
UK expert weighs in
An electrical engineering consultant from United Kingdom shared with CNN Philippines a report he made on an SUA incident in Wellington, New Zealand on January 20, 2012. It involved a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander.
“As you will see, I became convinced that the poor state of charge of the battery played a part in the incident. It could also be the case in other SA (sudden acceleration) incidents, but this is speculation,†Dr. Anthony Anderson told CNN Philippines in an e-mail.
Anderson also shared a video of an SUA involving a 2012 Toyota Highlander in California, where a Montero Sport was pulling into a parking area when it suddenly accelerated and crashed into the garage door twice.
The driver tried to control the vehicle, but ended up rotating almost 180 degrees. It only stopped when the stub axle was damaged.
http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2015/12/04/Montero-Sport-sudden-acceleration-victims-stories.html
ano pa yan susunod na hahapin nyo statistic
yung design ng sasakyan
yung pagawaan
protect pa more
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alangan naman lunukin ko lahat ng sinasabi mo? kahit mga experto sa mga article mo sinasabi nilang speculation lang
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hehehe... better to be safe than sorry... just buy other models....
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di ako naniniwala sa SUA na yan. hangat may driver sa loob nyan HUMAN ERROR yan. maniniwala lang ako kapag walang driver and umandar magisa yan at naglabas maitim na usok. Haha
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alangan naman lunukin ko lahat ng sinasabi mo? kahit mga experto sa mga article mo sinasabi nilang speculation lang -
hehehehe kahit pala sa Japan e may style din pala ang mistubishi no wonder sinisisi sa human error heheheheh sa pinas dahil protected sila at mga pinoy na loyalista
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mitsubishi-motors-recall-idUSBRE93M09E20130423#XHwBu6Sq5BacDy3Q.99
Japan government warns Mitsubishi Motors over recall delays
Japan's transport ministry told Mitsubishi Motors Corp (7211.T) on Tuesday that it must conduct vehicle recalls more quickly after discovering multiple problems in past cases, on the same day that the carmaker filed for another recall.
The ministry, which investigated the automaker in December, concluded that the carmaker delayed for two years seeking the cause of an oil-leak problem that led to a series of four recalls between 2010 and 2012 of 1.76 million vehicles, including the Minica and Minicab.
Mitsubishi Motors has been embroiled in a number of recall-related scandals, most notably in 2000 when an insider's tip revealed that it had been hiding customer complaints for over two decades.
"It became clear that Mitsubishi had problems in each of the steps related to vehicle recalls," Takahiro Ikari, an official at the transport ministry, told a Mitsubishi Motors executive.
"The company should come up with plans for improvement, implement them and report them to the ministry."
The ministry found seven new problems related to the 2010-2012 recalls, which included not responding quickly to problems reported by dealerships and inappropriate explanations given to the ministry, though none of them were illegal, an official said.
Mitsubishi separately said on Tuesday it would recall 3,839 Outlander SUV plug-in hybrids sold in Japan due to a problem in the software that controls the front and rear drive motors, as well as potential problems in the vehicle's generator and front drive motor.
Tuesday's recall comes just weeks after Mitsubishi stopped production and shipments of the plug-in hybrids in late March for a separate problem due to overheating of a lithium-ion battery.
No injuries or accidents have been reported from the problem, spokeswoman Namie Koketsu said. She declined to disclose costs related to the recall, which involved most of the vehicles that Mitsubishi has sold since the plug-in hybrid went on sale in January.
The automaker has seen its sales and reputation dented after multiple recall-related scandals.
http://manilastandardtoday.com/opinion/columns/out-of-the-box-by-rita-linda-v-jimeno/193751/a-broken-record-defense.html
In the Philippines where regulators seem to lean more in favor of protecting business rather than the public, more lives will continue to be sacrificed until the Philippine government begins to match the strict standards followed by Japan and other countries. Ninety-seven reported accidents involving the Montero Sport for 2015 alone cannot be glossed over.
hehehe... better to be safe than sorry... just buy other models....
tama this is a proper answer kaysa pinagpipilitan si HUMAN ERROR