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Re: Marcos Prediction - So true!!!
« Reply #100 on: May 06, 2013, 12:42:35 pm »
Maraming salamat po sa inyong mahabang pagsasalaysay ng inyong istorya lolo Magister. Kung kayo po ay nagbabasa ng mga paskil ng ating ibang kamiyembrong espiya ay malalaman ninyo at makikita po ninyo ang mga statistikang hinahanap ninyo po. Kung kayo po ay nagbabasa at hindi lamang po nakapokus ang inyong atensyon sa iisang kuro kuro. Pangalawa naging corrupt dahil kung babalikan po ninyo ang inyong Pilipino, ang salitang naging ay isang salitang nakaraan. "NAGING" presidente, "naging" magnanakaw, ang ibig pong sabihin eh nakaraan na po. at hindi na po siya makakapagnakaw pa. Mag-aral po ulit tayo ng sariling wika natin. Pangatlo po, nakakaawa naman po kayo kung hindi ninyo alam na libre ang internet na ginagamit ninyo. Ang tanging binabayaran lamang po natin ay ang pangangalaga nito kung inyo pong nalalaman. Ikaapat, saan din po ba ang inyong basehan at nasabi ninyo ang mga ganyang bagay? Ayon po ba iyan sa sarili ninyong karanasan? Paano naman po ang mga magagandang karanasan ng iba niyo pong mamayan..? Isinantabi na lamang po ninyo at inilahat ang karanasan ng buong Pilipino ayon lang po sa inyong naranasan?  :applause :applause :applause

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« Reply #101 on: May 06, 2013, 01:56:46 pm »
Maraming salamat po sa inyong mahabang pagsasalaysay ng inyong istorya lolo Magister. Kung kayo po ay nagbabasa ng mga paskil ng ating ibang kamiyembrong espiya ay malalaman ninyo at makikita po ninyo ang mga statistikang hinahanap ninyo po. Kung kayo po ay nagbabasa at hindi lamang po nakapokus ang inyong atensyon sa iisang kuro kuro. Pangalawa naging corrupt dahil kung babalikan po ninyo ang inyong Pilipino, ang salitang naging ay isang salitang nakaraan. "NAGING" presidente, "naging" magnanakaw, ang ibig pong sabihin eh nakaraan na po. at hindi na po siya makakapagnakaw pa. Mag-aral po ulit tayo ng sariling wika natin. Pangatlo po, nakakaawa naman po kayo kung hindi ninyo alam na libre ang internet na ginagamit ninyo. Ang tanging binabayaran lamang po natin ay ang pangangalaga nito kung inyo pong nalalaman. Ikaapat, saan din po ba ang inyong basehan at nasabi ninyo ang mga ganyang bagay? Ayon po ba iyan sa sarili ninyong karanasan? Paano naman po ang mga magagandang karanasan ng iba niyo pong mamayan..? Isinantabi na lamang po ninyo at inilahat ang karanasan ng buong Pilipino ayon lang po sa inyong naranasan?  :applause :applause :applause

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Re: Marcos Prediction - So true!!!
« Reply #102 on: May 06, 2013, 02:02:26 pm »
“I know now that what makes a fool is an inability to take even his own good advice.” William Faulkner



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Re: Marcos Prediction - So true!!!
« Reply #103 on: May 06, 2013, 02:17:31 pm »
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
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 ::lmao ::lmaoThank You!!!! ::lmao ::lmao

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« Reply #104 on: May 06, 2013, 05:43:06 pm »
Kahit sabihin pareparehas lang ang nangyayari sa Pilipinas.

Pero "wala ng katulad ni Marcos"
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

― Ayn Rand

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« Reply #105 on: May 06, 2013, 09:45:31 pm »
Langya, ang laki pala ng inutang ni Marcos sa US, World Bank etc. para lang masabing nagwowork ang Martial Law.

When Marcos assumed presidency in 1966, the foreign debt of the Philippines stood below $1 billion. When he fled Malacañang in February 1986 during the first People Power, the country had a foreign debt of $28 billion. Following our loan schedule, Filipino taxpayers will pay for the foreign debts of Marcos until 2025 - 59 years after he assumed office and 39 years after he was kicked out.

nabasa ko lang tong article na to sa website na to http://www.bulatlat.com/news/4-33/4-33-marcosdebt.html

Worse, many of the debts of Marcos did not go to infrastructure development projects or social programs of government. Based on one estimate, Marcos pocketed around 33 percent of the country’s total borrowings during his term. This amount translates to more than $8 billion.

The single largest foreign debt (and most expensive white elephant) of the country was also contracted by Marcos-- the $2.3 billion Bataan Nuclear Power Plant (BNPP). This lone project comprised 9 percent of the total foreign debt of the country when it was completed in 1984. Subsequent investigations showed that the BNPP was overpriced by $600 million, and that Marcos and his crony Herminio Desini, who facilitated the project, were bribed with $80 million by the project contractor US-based Westinghouse Corporation.

The BNPP was mothballed by the Aquino administration after it found that the plant sits on a major fault line. It never got to produce a single kilowatt of electricity, but all the Aquino government can do was to accept a $188-million settlement with Westinghouse.



Mukha lang nakatulong si Marcos sa mga mamamayan, pero in reality, sya ang naglugmok sa pinas sa kahirapan.

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« Reply #106 on: May 07, 2013, 12:01:42 am »


 ::lmao ::lmaoThank You!!!! ::lmao ::lmao

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« Reply #107 on: May 07, 2013, 12:11:12 am »
Sa 20 Years na pamumuno ni Marcos, Yung 1st Term nya eh para sa akin ayos lang, Pero yung Second Term hanggang sa naging diktador sya, Hindi na OK.  Sa loob ng 20 years na pamumuno, para sa akin, masyadong mabagal yung progress nya.  Akalain mo, 1960's pa lang me Nuclear Arms Program na ang China, tayo 80's then power plant lang

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Re: Marcos Prediction - So true!!!
« Reply #108 on: May 07, 2013, 12:34:14 am »
This is a forum, I can speak in any way I damn please. If I want to speak in english, then I will speak in damn english, and you are in no position to tell me what to do. In addition, speaking in english does not violate any rules of espiya.net. If you can't understand me (which I highly doubt), that's your problem. It just means you are as lazy in thinking as you are in researching.

Since you brought the "off topic" thing up, let's go back to the first post I threw at you before you immediately diverted the topic to my "tsekwang ancestors" and our retarded president.

Oh, and if you are planning to do boomerang logic on me by trying to divert the topic again as you please, going off topic is a violation of the forum rules.

interesting...kwento ng mga lolo mo. let's counter it with kwento ng erpat ko.

1. my dad is half chinese. he never had problems getting in and out of the country for vacations. but he does not deny that most filipinos aren't that lucky. pahirapan daw makapunta ng abroad ang average juan dela cruz, unless the reason for going abroad is overseas employment.

2. i always watch last full shows. never once have i been held up. you thought the time during martial law was safe? according to erpat, the scariest people during that time were 3 types of people: soldiers, politicians and their relatives. a lot of these are power trippers during martial law and are apparently immune to the discipline martial law is supposed to enforce.

especially this guy:



3. gas prices affect the entire world, whether the country experienced ML/marcos regime or not.

4. malls? ilan na ba nabomba sa mall? karamihan or more than 30% or even 20% of mall goers dedo na sa bomba inside the mall? if so, then the mall is a scary, scary place indeed.




not!

5. what are those negative news you saw in the newspapers back then, when the marcos administration holds the media by its neck?

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« Reply #109 on: May 07, 2013, 03:27:22 am »
This is a forum, I can speak in any way I damn please. If I want to speak in english, then I will speak in damn english, and you are in no position to tell me what to do. In addition, speaking in english does not violate any rules of espiya.net. If you can't understand me (which I highly doubt), that's your problem. It just means you are as lazy in thinking as you are in researching.

Since you brought the "off topic" thing up, let's go back to the first post I threw at you before you immediately diverted the topic to my "tsekwang ancestors" and our retarded president.

Oh, and if you are planning to do boomerang logic on me by trying to divert the topic again as you please, going off topic is a violation of the forum rules.


Yes. you can speak in english if you want to and no one is saying that you're violating the rules. Saka pinagbabawalan ba kitang mag-english? Kung iyong iintindihin at uunawaing mabuti, ayon sa above sea level mong kaalaman, hindi ako nakakaintindi ng English mo so nasa sa’yo yan kung paano mo ihahatid sa akin ang istorya mo? Paki-intindi po ang mga pinopost ko at baka ikaw po ang tamad mag-isip. Balikan mo lahat ang mga post ko tsekwa para malinawan at mahimasmasan yang pasmadong utak mo. Nakakasawa magsabi ng paulit ulit lalo na kung di mo talaga maintindihan ang ipinararating ko. Masyado nang lumilihis ang mga sinasabi mo.  ;D

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« Reply #110 on: May 07, 2013, 03:52:49 am »
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Kailan nabigyan ng hustisya ang biktima ni Marcos?Kailan naman nangyari ang Maguindano Massacre?Umabot na ba ng 20
years yung M massacre?

And you are comparing number of victims?Maybe you should also post the number of victims under Marcos regime.

Another thing.Si Pnoy ba ang nag utos ng imassacre yung mga taga Maguindanao?

Kinukumpara mo ang namatay sa panahon ni Erap,Gma,FVR at Pnoy sa mga PINAPATAY ng Marcos Administration.

tsk tsk ibig bang sabihin kailangang natin pabutin ang maguindanao massacre ng 20 years nasa era tayo ng demokrasya tool nasa era tayo ng makatarungan hustiysa wala ng martial law

nagagalit tayo kay Mccoy kase martial nagpapakulong nga ng walang search warrant blah blah political killing, political prisoner wala na nga ang dictator

tol wala ng martial law nasa demokrasya na tayo dapat di na nangyayari ang mga ganitong bagay pero bakit nangyayari paden ang bagay na ito na tapos na martial law nasa demokrasya na tayo may katarungan na dapat makamit

sinabi ko bang si pnoy ang nag-utos sa maguindanao massacre may political Power si GMA may political power si PNOY with overwhelming evidences nasan ang katarungan ng mga journalist na rape at pinatay at binaon  sa bansang malaya - wala na tayo sa martial law

bakit may reported cases pa ang CHR ng human rights violation e wala na tayo sa martial law wala na tayo sa dictatorship ni marcos

ito lagi ang pinopoint ng mga anti-mccoy yung political ek ek human rights violation

pero nasa bansang malaya na tayo bakit nag-eexist pa ang ganitong pangyayari


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Langya, ang laki pala ng inutang ni Marcos sa US, World Bank etc. para lang masabing nagwowork ang Martial Law.

sa isang speech ni ninoy nagagalit sya sa US kung bakit laging pinapautang at binibigyan ng AID ng america ang pilipinas





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« Reply #111 on: May 07, 2013, 04:31:33 am »
i cannot say na masama si marcos, hindi naman ako nakasali nuon sa mga kinukulong, hindi rin naman kasi aktibista o yung tipong my agenda against sa government nuon.. during those era, my family, friend and our community seems to enjoy the simple life that we have.. hindi mo iisipin na yung kapitbahay mo e biglang mag aamok o my masamang balak saiyo.. etc.. whatever marcos is for anyone, he may have done many wrong and evil..  but for simple people like us na naexperience ang martial law era, i would say he made a good job..

sa mga panahon ngayon, naeexperience natin ang absolute freedom na masasabi, karamihan e wala ng takot, kasi alam nating pwede naman lusutan kung my gusot na masusuong, and many can just do what they want.. i am not a marcos loyalist.. but as far as i remember, during those times, my respeto and tao sa batas at pulis, not fear as other would think.. sa lugar namin nun, libre ang gamot, my free milk pa all year round galing gobyerno... by markixx

bakit kaya walang pumansin sa post nito. i think meron naman siyang good points and nabuhay din siya during ML. i just want to hear your take about this one. yung mga nagsasabi na walang matinong nagnyari during marcos time..

wala pa ako nun panahon ng marcos and  find this topic an interesting read..

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« Reply #112 on: May 07, 2013, 08:55:34 am »
IDIOT,

Sino ang nagkumpara SA krimen under McCoy and Pnoy?May statistics ka pang nalalaman.

I said it took them 20 years to get justice.Sinabi ko bang dapat ganun din sa Maguindanao?

Under democracy ,crimes ,abuses does still happen.Alam natin yun.
Ang pinag kaiba ay under martial law ,THe gov. is the one who is committing
those acts.Ordered by Mccoy,where as today ordered ba ni Pnoy?
Claro na ba?Kita mo ba ang pagkakaiba?

Kapag ginamit ni PNoy ang kanyang political power is that demorcracy?
Dictatorship yun.Then someone like you would cry and say that Pnoy is like
or worse than Mccoy.

Bigyan kita ng scenario.Two similar events ,one during ML  and other one is now.

Hinuli ka ng pulis or militar at sinabihang rebelde ka or subersibo.
Ano ang magiging course of action mo?


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« Reply #113 on: May 07, 2013, 09:08:28 am »
sa mga panahon ngayon, naeexperience natin ang absolute freedom na masasabi, karamihan e wala ng takot, kasi alam nating pwede naman lusutan kung my gusot na masusuong, and many can just do what they want.. i am not a marcos loyalist.. but as far as i remember, during those times, my respeto and tao sa batas at pulis, not fear as other would think.. sa lugar namin nun, libre ang gamot, my free milk pa all year round galing gobyerno... by markixx

bakit kaya walang pumansin sa post nito. i think meron naman siyang good points and nabuhay din siya during ML. i just want to hear your take about this one. yung mga nagsasabi na walang matinong nagnyari during marcos time..

wala pa ako nun panahon ng marcos and  find this topic an interesting read..

Magkaiba ang fear at respect.Kung ang maririnig noong ML ay salvaging ,missing persons,torture etc etc.
Ano mananaig sa iyo?Fear or Respect?

Siempre meron din matinong mangyayari,20 years ba naman.Pero ang kanyang mga nagawa ay nasapawan ng
maraming kasalanan.Magaling pa rin kaya si Mccoy kung ikaw ay isa doon sa biktima?

Papaano masasabi ng isang pilipino na si Marcos ang best Pres. knowing what he did to.


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Re: Marcos Prediction - So true!!!
« Reply #114 on: May 07, 2013, 12:45:42 pm »
Yes. you can speak in english if you want to and no one is saying that you're violating the rules. Saka pinagbabawalan ba kitang mag-english? Kung iyong iintindihin at uunawaing mabuti, ayon sa above sea level mong kaalaman, hindi ako nakakaintindi ng English mo so nasa sa’yo yan kung paano mo ihahatid sa akin ang istorya mo? Paki-intindi po ang mga pinopost ko at baka ikaw po ang tamad mag-isip. Balikan mo lahat ang mga post ko tsekwa para malinawan at mahimasmasan yang pasmadong utak mo. Nakakasawa magsabi ng paulit ulit lalo na kung di mo talaga maintindihan ang ipinararating ko. Masyado nang lumilihis ang mga sinasabi mo.  ;D

you're the one who's still diverting the topic. the post quoted in my previous post was the main issue at hand. why not face them and not the minor detail that is the english speaking part?

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« Reply #115 on: May 07, 2013, 01:39:44 pm »
you're the one who's still diverting the topic. the post quoted in my previous post was the main issue at hand. why not face them and not the minor detail that is the english speaking part?

okay. Pagbibigyan kita tsekwa.

1. I don't care if your dad going in and out of the countries without hassle or ano pa man yan. Dito pa lang malayo na yung sinabi mo dun sa komento ko. Para ulit ulitin ko sa kukote mo, kakaunti lang sana siguro ang mga tulad naming pinoy na nangingibang bansa kung maunlad ang bayan naming Pilpinas. Get's mo yung point ko jan sa siningit mo? Bilangin mo ang mga nangingibang bansa nung araw at mga nangingibang bansa ngayon para lang magtrabaho? Tapos bigla mong ipapasok ang tatay mong bakasyunista?

2. Did I say ML or martial law on my first comment? Backread ka tsekwa. Ang sabi ko, may disiplina ang mga Pilipino noong panahon ni Marcos at hindi panahon ng Martial Law. Or maybe, siguro nga mas madisiplina sila nun kung pinairal lang ng maayos ang martial law.

3. Yup. nung matapos ang panahon ni Marcos, nauso yung mga mall bombing. And yes, mall during that days are scary place you will consider during that time.

4. Malay ko sa sinasabi mo kung anong panahon ng balita ang sinasabi mo. Ang ibig kong sabihin, kaya naging masama ang imahe ni Marcos eh dahil sa mga naglalabasan sa TV at radyo noon after ng term nya. Oh di ba, ayun ang mga gustong iparating ng media sa atin noong nanunungkulan ang Aquino noon?

next time kasi tsekwa intindihin mong mabuti ang mga pinopost dito. basahin mo rin yung ibang komento ng ating mga ka-espiya para maimulat mo ng malaki yang mga mata mo. please, wag lang magbasa. Intindihin mo din ang binabasa mo.  smoking::

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« Reply #116 on: May 07, 2013, 02:35:05 pm »
okay. Pagbibigyan kita tsekwa

1. I don't care if your dad going in and out of the countries without hassle or ano pa man yan. Dito pa lang malayo na yung sinabi mo dun sa komento ko. Para ulit ulitin ko sa kukote mo, kakaunti lang sana siguro ang mga tulad naming pinoy na nangingibang bansa kung maunlad ang bayan naming Pilpinas. Get's mo yung point ko jan sa siningit mo? Bilangin mo ang mga nangingibang bansa nung araw at mga nangingibang bansa ngayon para lang magtrabaho? Tapos bigla mong ipapasok ang tatay mong bakasyunista?

poor little boy (i do have to address you in some way), have you ever considered population before and after? inflation rates? economy? the reason why those who seek employment get to go abroad easier than vacationists is that the government needs overseas workers.

2. Did I say ML or martial law on my first comment? Backread ka tsekwa. Ang sabi ko, may disiplina ang mga Pilipino noong panahon ni Marcos at hindi panahon ng Martial Law. Or maybe, siguro nga mas madisiplina sila nun kung pinairal lang ng maayos ang martial law.

you mean to say di kasama sa panahon ni marcos ang martial law?

3. Yup. nung matapos ang panahon ni Marcos, nauso yung mga mall bombing. And yes, mall during that days are scary place you will consider during that time.

reading fail. you're the one who should read more carefully, poor little boy. i asked for statistics. you basically said malls nowadays are scary due to the incidents of mall bombings. so i asked you, how many people has died in mall bombings so far to be that scary? i highly doubt that the amount reaches to even 5% of mall goers.

4. Malay ko sa sinasabi mo kung anong panahon ng balita ang sinasabi mo. Ang ibig kong sabihin, kaya naging masama ang imahe ni Marcos eh dahil sa mga naglalabasan sa TV at radyo noon after ng term nya. Oh di ba, ayun ang mga gustong iparating ng media sa atin noong nanunungkulan ang Aquino noon?

that's far from what you said, poor little boy. lookie

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Sariling kasayahan mo lang pala ang iniisip mo bata. Pero sana naisip mo rin kung ano ang mga magiging magandang resulta nung mga propaganda ni Makoy noon. Ako rin, nung bata ako galit ako sa mga Marcos. Demonyo ang tingin ko sa kanila dahil ayun ang mga nakikita ko sa TV at dyaryo noon. Pero nung nabasa ko ang buhay nya, narinig ang mga kwento ng mga lolo ko tungkol sa kanya, nag-iba ang pananaw ko. Hindi malayong nakikipagsabayan tayo ngayon sa China at Japan kung may isang lider na katulad nya ang nagpatuloy ng nasimulan nya.

so, poor little boy, where exactly in there did you say you were referring to post marcos era?
and besides, his wife's impressive collection of branded shoes and girdles is just the tip of the iceberg on where the hell did the filipino money go. try the cronies, the vultures that surrounded him which he allowed, etc.. no need for propaganda on that, just plain observation and research would do


next time kasi tsekwa intindihin mong mabuti ang mga pinopost dito. basahin mo rin yung ibang komento ng ating mga ka-espiya para maimulat mo ng malaki yang mga mata mo. please, wag lang magbasa. Intindihin mo din ang binabasa mo.  smoking::

this is amusing, poor little boy. in case you haven't been reading (oh wait, you weren't), most of the espiya members here discredit marcos.

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« Reply #117 on: May 07, 2013, 03:18:09 pm »
Ginoong Tobey Parker, ito lang ba ang iyong masasagot sa paghimay ko sa iyong paglalahad?

Maraming salamat po sa inyong mahabang pagsasalaysay ng inyong istorya lolo Magister. Kung kayo po ay nagbabasa ng mga paskil ng ating ibang kamiyembrong espiya ay malalaman ninyo at makikita po ninyo ang mga statistikang hinahanap ninyo po. Kung kayo po ay nagbabasa at hindi lamang po nakapokus ang inyong atensyon sa iisang kuro kuro. Pangalawa naging corrupt dahil kung babalikan po ninyo ang inyong Pilipino, ang salitang naging ay isang salitang nakaraan. "NAGING" presidente, "naging" magnanakaw, ang ibig pong sabihin eh nakaraan na po. at hindi na po siya makakapagnakaw pa. Mag-aral po ulit tayo ng sariling wika natin. Pangatlo po, nakakaawa naman po kayo kung hindi ninyo alam na libre ang internet na ginagamit ninyo. Ang tanging binabayaran lamang po natin ay ang pangangalaga nito kung inyo pong nalalaman. Ikaapat, saan din po ba ang inyong basehan at nasabi ninyo ang mga ganyang bagay? Ayon po ba iyan sa sarili ninyong karanasan? Paano naman po ang mga magagandang karanasan ng iba niyo pong mamayan..? Isinantabi na lamang po ninyo at inilahat ang karanasan ng buong Pilipino ayon lang po sa inyong naranasan?     - See more at: http://espiya.net/forum/index.php/topic,153267.100.html#sthash.cATTNFaz.dpuf

Binasa ko lahat ang pinaskil ng mga ka-espiya na mga links tungkol kay Marcos...wala akong nakitang links na may statistikang  sumusuporta sa iyong mga argumento!!! Nakapagtataka ata! O baka di mo naintindihan dahil inamin mong di ka nga nakakaintindi ng English??

"Naging Corrupt??" Maliwanag na sinabi ko siya ay corrupt....di naging corrupt....medyo lihis ata ang lohika mo dito Ginoong Parker....

Sabi mo nakakaawa ako dahil di ko alam na libre ang internet?? Sabi mo.... dati libre ang internet nung panahon ni Marcos....Aba ... para akong natulala sa sinabi mo....wala pa pong komersyal na internet nung panahon ni Marcos....at papanong naging libre ang pag gamit ng Internet at libre ang Internet?? Swerte ka ata dyan sa ME at libre ata ang internet mo dyan!!!

Saan ang basehan ko sa mga istatistikang sinasabi ko??....aba'y ikaw ay paulit ulit kong ini aya na magbasa...dahil ang mga nakapaskil na links ng ating mga kaespiya ay nagsasabi at nagsusuporta sa aking mga argumento....

Hindi ko lang po karanasan ito....ito po ay factual na pangyayari....ito po ay may basehan...at ito po ay may dokumento...na ang iba ay nakapaskil sa thread na ito ng ating mga ka espiya.....

Hindi ko po isinantabi ang karanasan ng iba...dahil ito ay kolektibang karanasan ng mga Pilipino...di lahat pero ang katotohanan ay andyan.....Isang analogy...dahil ba ikaw ay purong Aleman ng panahon ni Hitler at di pinakialaman ni Hitler ang kabuhayan ... ikaw ay magsasabi na di nangyari ang holocaust at si Hitler ay napakagaling na lider ng bansang Aleman? Kung ikaw ay Khmer at isang magsasaka at di pinakialaman ng Khmer Rogues ... ikaw ba ay maglalahad na napakagaling na lider si Pol Pot at di totoo ang milyon milyong patayan sa Cambodia? Dahil ba ang lolo mo ay naging maganda ang buhay sa panahon ni Marcos...ikaw ba ay maglalahad na napakagaling ni Marcos na Pangulo at di totoo na bumagsak ang ekonomiya nung panahon niya...di totoo na may kagutuman sa Pilipinas...di totoo na may libo libong patayan sa Pilipinas na ang estado ang may utos...di totoong siya ang pasimuno na maging polisiya ng Pilipinas ang pag eexport ng human labor....di totoong nagkautang ang Pilipinas ng pagkalaki laki na hanggang ngayon ay atin pa ring binabayaran...at di totoong siya ay sinungaling?? At dahil sa panahong ito dahil ikaw ay naghihirap at kailangang pumunta ng ME para maghanap buhay...makabili ng laptop at gumamit ng proxy para maka access ng Espiya.net sa libre mong internet ....ay naghahangad na magkaroon uli ng lider na gaya ni Marcos na isang diktadur, mamatay tao, corrupt (di naging corrupt kung hindi corrupt na dati), at magnananakaw??

Kung ang sinasabi mo ay katotohanan...hindi ako kokontra...pero kung kasinungalingan....atin yang pagssusapan...at dedebatehin....at dapat itama ang mali....

Ito ang dapat itama.....Si Marcos ay di naging magaling na presidente
                                Si Marcos ay di dahilan ng pagtaas ng ekonomiya ng bansa sa halip ito ay bumaba
                               Si Marcos ay di totoong nagdala ng mga infrastaktura para mapakinabangan ng taumbayan bagkus           
                                     ito ay para sa kapakanan ng kanyang pamilya at mga krony
                                Si Marcos ay hindi naging dahilan ng pagbaba ng krimen bagkus ang krimen ay tumaas dahil         
                                    kasama ang estado sa pag gawa ng krimen sa taumbayan.
                                 

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Re: Marcos Prediction - So true!!!
« Reply #118 on: May 07, 2013, 10:26:18 pm »
okay. Pagbibigyan kita tsekwa

1. I don't care if your dad going in and out of the countries without hassle or ano pa man yan. Dito pa lang malayo na yung sinabi mo dun sa komento ko. Para ulit ulitin ko sa kukote mo, kakaunti lang sana siguro ang mga tulad naming pinoy na nangingibang bansa kung maunlad ang bayan naming Pilpinas. Get's mo yung point ko jan sa siningit mo? Bilangin mo ang mga nangingibang bansa nung araw at mga nangingibang bansa ngayon para lang magtrabaho? Tapos bigla mong ipapasok ang tatay mong bakasyunista?

poor little boy (i do have to address you in some way), have you ever considered population before and after? inflation rates? economy? the reason why those who seek employment get to go abroad easier than vacationists is that the government needs overseas workers.

2. Did I say ML or martial law on my first comment? Backread ka tsekwa. Ang sabi ko, may disiplina ang mga Pilipino noong panahon ni Marcos at hindi panahon ng Martial Law. Or maybe, siguro nga mas madisiplina sila nun kung pinairal lang ng maayos ang martial law.

you mean to say di kasama sa panahon ni marcos ang martial law?

3. Yup. nung matapos ang panahon ni Marcos, nauso yung mga mall bombing. And yes, mall during that days are scary place you will consider during that time.

reading fail. you're the one who should read more carefully, poor little boy. i asked for statistics. you basically said malls nowadays are scary due to the incidents of mall bombings. so i asked you, how many people has died in mall bombings so far to be that scary? i highly doubt that the amount reaches to even 5% of mall goers.

4. Malay ko sa sinasabi mo kung anong panahon ng balita ang sinasabi mo. Ang ibig kong sabihin, kaya naging masama ang imahe ni Marcos eh dahil sa mga naglalabasan sa TV at radyo noon after ng term nya. Oh di ba, ayun ang mga gustong iparating ng media sa atin noong nanunungkulan ang Aquino noon?

that's far from what you said, poor little boy. lookie

so, poor little boy, where exactly in there did you say you were referring to post marcos era?
and besides, his wife's impressive collection of branded shoes and girdles is just the tip of the iceberg on where the hell did the filipino money go. try the cronies, the vultures that surrounded him which he allowed, etc.. no need for propaganda on that, just plain observation and research would do


next time kasi tsekwa intindihin mong mabuti ang mga pinopost dito. basahin mo rin yung ibang komento ng ating mga ka-espiya para maimulat mo ng malaki yang mga mata mo. please, wag lang magbasa. Intindihin mo din ang binabasa mo.  smoking::

this is amusing, poor little boy. in case you haven't been reading (oh wait, you weren't), most of the espiya members here discredit marcos.

Para sa'yo tsekwa, hindi na ako umabot sa Marcos era. kung iyong nanamnamin, ayun ang mga napapanood ko sa TV. Hindi ko na inabutan si Marcos tsekwa kaya malayong mapanood ko pa yung mga balita noon.

at para sa inyong dalawang may pulbura sa utak, sa inyo lolo at sa iyo tsekwa....

Kung hindi kayo marunong umintindi at ipasok sa mga kukote nyong punong puno ng kalawang, sagutin nyo ang tanong ko.

1. Sinong Presidente ang naglagay sa Pilipinas sa rurok ng kanyang tagumpay? Magbigay kayo ng Presidente ninyo na sa tingin nyo eh mas nakahigit pa sa ginawa ni Marcos noon.

A simple question para sa maibuod ko lahat ang mga pinagsasabi ko.

May mga taong walang common sense. pero sana wag nyo namang abusuhing dalawa yung kalayaang gamitin ito. tsk, tsk...  ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao

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Re: Marcos Prediction - So true!!!
« Reply #119 on: May 07, 2013, 11:21:40 pm »
Para sa'yo tsekwa, hindi na ako umabot sa Marcos era. kung iyong nanamnamin, ayun ang mga napapanood ko sa TV. Hindi ko na inabutan si Marcos tsekwa kaya malayong mapanood ko pa yung mga balita noon.

at para sa inyong dalawang may pulbura sa utak, sa inyo lolo at sa iyo tsekwa....

Kung hindi kayo marunong umintindi at ipasok sa mga kukote nyong punong puno ng kalawang, sagutin nyo ang tanong ko.

1. Sinong Presidente ang naglagay sa Pilipinas sa rurok ng kanyang tagumpay? Magbigay kayo ng Presidente ninyo na sa tingin nyo eh mas nakahigit pa sa ginawa ni Marcos noon.

A simple question para sa maibuod ko lahat ang mga pinagsasabi ko.

May mga taong walang common sense. pero sana wag nyo namang abusuhing dalawa yung kalayaang gamitin ito. tsk, tsk...  ::lmao ::lmao ::lmao

and apparently, you're one of them, poor little boy.

hey, you avoided the issues, again. can't maintain an argument you yourself started?

para sa tanong mo, si marcos. kaso siya rin nagpabagsak sa sarili nyang accomplishment. way, way more ruined than the one he established. and everything snowballed from him.

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« Reply #120 on: May 08, 2013, 12:03:45 am »
and apparently, you're one of them, poor little boy.

hey, you avoided the issues, again. can't maintain an argument you yourself started?

para sa tanong mo, si marcos. kaso siya rin nagpabagsak sa sarili nyang accomplishment. way, way more ruined than the one he established. and everything snowballed from him.

Hey tsekwa.. I'm not avoiding, and para sabihin sa'yo at kung talagang nagbabasa ka nga, IBINUOD, SUMMARY, PINAG-ISA ko lang ang aking mga mahabang katanungan.

1. So, wala na si daddy bakasyunista at napag-isip isip mo na yung mga pinagsasabi mo nung una? For population, think again kung bakit lumobo ang populasyon from that era until now. again, DISIPLINA. At kaya nga may mga programa si Marcos na gusto niyang ipagpatuloy dahil nakikita nya ang mga mangyayari sa Pilipinas sa susunod na taon. At napag-isip isip mo rin ba kung bakit nangangailangan ang gobyerno ng mga overseas worker? Kung maunlad ang Pilipinas, sa tingin mo mangangailangan pa rin ba ng OFW ang gobyerno natin?   :applause

2. Yan ang hirap sa inyong mga anti-Marcos. Piring ang mga mata nyo sa mga magandang adhikain niya. Nung nanungkulan ba sya? Martial law kaagad? next time maglalagay ako ng time frame para lalo nyong mahinuha ang bawat titk ng salitang isinasambit ko.

3. Tulad ng sinabi ko sa Number 2. Lalagyan ko ng Time frame para sa mga katulad mong tsekwa na iisang direksyon lang ang paningin. And para sabihin ko sa iyo, kahit 5% or less pa yang sinasabi mo, casualty is a casualty. Merong pangambang naganap.

4. Ang layo na ng sinasabi mo dito. Pero sige sasagutin ko pa rin ng tanong ang tanong mo. Sa tingin mo ba, saan din napupunta ang pera natin ngayon na ibinabayad sa buwis? May pinagka-iba ba?

oh yes. I'm poor, little and a boy.  ;)

At ang galing ng statistics mo tsekwa. nabilang mo ang suma total ng mga espiya dito na naniniwala kay Marcos at yung mga hindi? Saan mo ibinilang yung 108, 298 na hindi active members nung 2009? Ilang percent yang most na sinasabi mo who discredited Marcos?  :applause

At salamat. sinagot mo ang tanong ko. Sa titik mo na nanggaling, na si Marcos. Marcos pa rin... ::pampam

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Re: Marcos Prediction - So true!!!
« Reply #121 on: May 08, 2013, 12:48:00 am »
Hey tsekwa.. I'm not avoiding, and para sabihin sa'yo at kung talagang nagbabasa ka nga, IBINUOD, SUMMARY, PINAG-ISA ko lang ang aking mga mahabang katanungan.

1. So, wala na si daddy bakasyunista at napag-isip isip mo na yung mga pinagsasabi mo nung una? For population, think again kung bakit lumobo ang populasyon from that era until now. again, DISIPLINA. At kaya nga may mga programa si Marcos na gusto niyang ipagpatuloy dahil nakikita nya ang mga mangyayari sa Pilipinas sa susunod na taon. At napag-isip isip mo rin ba kung bakit nangangailangan ang gobyerno ng mga overseas worker? Kung maunlad ang Pilipinas, sa tingin mo mangangailangan pa rin ba ng OFW ang gobyerno natin?   :applause

2. Yan ang hirap sa inyong mga anti-Marcos. Piring ang mga mata nyo sa mga magandang adhikain niya. Nung nanungkulan ba sya? Martial law kaagad? next time maglalagay ako ng time frame para lalo nyong mahinuha ang bawat titk ng salitang isinasambit ko.

3. Tulad ng sinabi ko sa Number 2. Lalagyan ko ng Time frame para sa mga katulad mong tsekwa na iisang direksyon lang ang paningin. And para sabihin ko sa iyo, kahit 5% or less pa yang sinasabi mo, casualty is a casualty. Merong pangambang naganap.

4. Ang layo na ng sinasabi mo dito. Pero sige sasagutin ko pa rin ng tanong ang tanong mo. Sa tingin mo ba, saan din napupunta ang pera natin ngayon na ibinabayad sa buwis? May pinagka-iba ba?

oh yes. I'm poor, little and a boy.  ;)

At ang galing ng statistics mo tsekwa. nabilang mo ang suma total ng mga espiya dito na naniniwala kay Marcos at yung mga hindi? Saan mo ibinilang yung 108, 298 na hindi active members nung 2009? Ilang percent yang most na sinasabi mo who discredited Marcos?  :applause

At salamat. sinagot mo ang tanong ko. Sa titik mo na nanggaling, na si Marcos. Marcos pa rin... ::pampam

your arguments are still full of holes, yet you skip directly to a summary of your questions? what kind of argument is that?

1. i was pertaining to marcos' government, poor little boy, in case you have really read. you thought this country is prosperous during marcos regime? lookie. exhibit a: pinoys aiming to work abroad gets to go overseas easier. why? because the government needs the money coming from them. exhibit b: vacationists go through more tedious process just to be able to go abroad. why? they will spend money overseas. will the government earn from those spendings? no. simple logic, isn't it?

2. you are exhibiting what's known as cherry picking. you look at the good stuff while you ignore the negatives. if you are gonna view marcos' regime, you view the entirety of it. sure during the early years good stuff's been going on. but, the hellish ML period still falls under marcos' regime. so yeah, you pro marcoses only look at one side of the coin, but not the other.

3. and that less than 5% (i don't even think it reaches 1%) is enough for you to say that malls are scary due to the possibility of mall bombings? then one might as well not drive, eat at mcdonalds, drink at a bar or walk the streets then since those have higher mortality rates than mall bombings.

4. how is that far from what you said? you aimed at the wrong issue again. those things i mentioned are the issues that discredit the marcos' and buddies. those are some of the things you said mostly appear on media in the post marcos era which you say is propaganda. looking at those info i stated, there is no need for propaganda.

5. where exactly is "here"? where are we holding this discussion about marcos? in this thread. did every member in espiya participate in this discussion? no. count every participant "here" and who is on whose side. now tally them, how many are pros, antis, neutrals? now tell me, are there more pros than antis? again, having common sense goes a long way.

and again with cherry picking. typical pro marcos.

tagalugin ko yung sense ng maintindihan mo kahit yun man lang linyang yun. pinakalamaki ang inangat ng bansa kay marcos, pero kung anong laki ng inangat ng bansa sa kanya, mas malaki pa dun ang ibinagsak ng bansa, dahil din sa kanya.

got the point, poor little boy?

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Re: Marcos Prediction - So true!!!
« Reply #122 on: May 08, 2013, 02:23:51 am »
your arguments are still full of holes, yet you skip directly to a summary of your questions? what kind of argument is that?

1. i was pertaining to marcos' government, poor little boy, in case you have really read. you thought this country is prosperous during marcos regime? lookie. exhibit a: pinoys aiming to work abroad gets to go overseas easier. why? because the government needs the money coming from them. exhibit b: vacationists go through more tedious process just to be able to go abroad. why? they will spend money overseas. will the government earn from those spendings? no. simple logic, isn't it?


Tsekwa, you was pertaining. I'm not. Dito pa lang kita mo na ang kaepalan mo eh. Ang pinagdidiskusyonan namin ni lolo Majikster dito eh marahil, kaunti lang siguro ang nag-aabroad NGAYON kung naipagpatuloy ang mga magagandang adhikain ni Marcos noon. Eh ano yang isinisingit mo? tapos sisingit ka you're pertaining to Marcos Era? Ang sakit mo sa kuyukot tsekwa.


2. you are exhibiting what's known as cherry picking. you look at the good stuff while you ignore the negatives. if you are gonna view marcos' regime, you view the entirety of it. sure during the early years good stuff's been going on. but, the hellish ML period still falls under marcos' regime. so yeah, you pro marcoses only look at one side of the coin, but not the other.


Because that's the one I'm referring to. If you read the thread title carefully.


3. and that less than 5% (i don't even think it reaches 1%) is enough for you to say that malls are scary due to the possibility of mall bombings? then one might as well not drive, eat at mcdonalds, drink at a bar or walk the streets then since those have higher mortality rates than mall bombings.


Including that of course. See how dangerous your sorroundings now?


4. how is that far from what you said? you aimed at the wrong issue again. those things i mentioned are the issues that discredit the marcos' and buddies. those are some of the things you said mostly appear on media in the post marcos era which you say is propaganda. looking at those info i stated, there is no need for propaganda.


Answer first my question please.  ;D


5. where exactly is "here"? where are we holding this discussion about marcos? in this thread. did every member in espiya participate in this discussion? no. count every participant "here" and who is on whose side. now tally them, how many are pros, antis, neutrals? now tell me, are there more pros than antis? again, having common sense goes a long way.

and again with cherry picking. typical pro marcos.


See the irony here tsekwa? Minsan nahuhulog ko yung common sense ko sa lupa pag nakikipagtalo sa mga katulad mo. But I know you're refering to this thread, kung pinairal ko yung common sense ko. Pero tulad mo, I thought the word espiya is as became a registered member here in espiya.net. Like you na sinasabing the whole Marcos era is same as Martial Law. at kung ano ano pa yang mga sinasabi mo.

By the way, no need to argue. You already answered my question. If Marcos will continue his GOOD WILL, isa tayo sa mga maunlad na bansa sa Asya.  ;)

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Re: Marcos Prediction - So true!!!
« Reply #123 on: May 08, 2013, 02:41:47 am »
napansin ko lang

gigil na gigil sila sa Marcos dahil dictator magnanakaw, corrupt, madaming pinakulong, at pinatorture etc etc

Edsa revolution tungo sa demokarsya

killings
Mendiola massacre
Maguindanao massacre
Hacienda luisita massacre
Palparan ni GMA
CHR still receives complaints of violation of  human rights in the era of democracy

corruption
Every families have balwarte
Billions of billions of pesos e nakokorupt paden
some politician have goons and guns
some of them are protector of jeuteng
instead na mawawala ang utang ng pinas kase nga napatalsik ang dictator e lumolobo pa den illogical sabihin namana because after EDSA they have the power to decrease it and yet they became monster themselves 

wala pinagkaiba ang tanging kaibahan lang sa marcos regime at democracy e natuto tayong dumada ng dumada at mag-demand ng mag-demand na walang ginagawa sa pag-unlad ng bayan

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Re: Marcos Prediction - So true!!!
« Reply #124 on: May 08, 2013, 04:19:02 am »
wow grabeh! haba na ng debate pala dito.. read a lot of your comment.. you pointed a lot of good and bad on the martial law era, the Marcos regime and the democracy that we had..

just want to give my own bias opinion since na experience ko to on the late years of martial law... just around 5 years old then nung naganap ang isang snap election or something like that.. pinatay yung uncle ko after nilang mag vote, for the reason na pinag hinalaan siya na NPA because of his physical appearance.. military po yung gumawa.. even my father was suppose to be taken also kasi may bigote sya and long curly hair.. i've watched my cousins crying in the coffin of my uncle and my father was talking much with regards to martial law.. i dont know kung documented yung nangyari coz this happened in jaro, iloilo city then..

my pop told me that sa first term ni marcos marami syang projects na ginawa sa city of iloilo.. but sa later part ng kanyang term lumabo ang lahat.. of course i've never studied much about the marcos regime.. so dont know much about it..

what happened maybe considered to be an isolated incident.. but since i've personnaly experienced it.. naging tatak na rin sa isipan ko na hindi maganda yung time ni marcos.. but i wont be the judge to that generally... since aking opinion lang yan..

for now marami pa rin sigurong mga incident ng mga HRV (human right violation) kahit na democracy na tayo.. pero di ko lang alam kung mas mataas ba ang incident ngayon compared nuon.. di naman kasi lahat ng government forms ay perpekto..

im actually here in mindanao na.. base sa opinion ko dito sa lugar namin peaceful kami.. may mga incidents pa rin ng patayan... but in rare and isolated cases lang.. meron lang talagang siguro na mga tao na masama lang talaga ang kanilang budhi.. or something na hindi lang talaga natin ma intindihan..

yung lugar kung san nangyari ang maguindanao massacre is just hours away from us.. yung lang because of bureaucracy matagal ang pag usad ng kaso.. but yung mga may sala ay nariyan na rin sa manila ngayon.. hope na masolve na rin ang kaso to give justice na namatayan..

but in general peaceful ang lugar namin.. and i would prefer living here because of its simplicity.. than being in manila (stayed for quite sometime na rin and would usually be there from time to time for clients and seminars).. which in my opinion ay mas delikado pa since you have to always have a presence of mind.. but thats my personal opinion..