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2011 for our airforce
« on: January 30, 2009, 07:10:33 am »
Ano sa tingin nyo bibiling aeroplano ng ating air force para sa 2011. Diba sabi nila bibili daw ng jet. Momodernize na ang ating airforce. Sa tingin ko baka mga F16 biling ng gobyerno naten. Magkano pala ang budget?  ::investigate

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Re: 2011 for our airforce
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 07:20:22 am »
Ang pagkaka alam ko ang gusto daw talaga ng mga taga airforce is yung SAAB Grippen.

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 07:25:24 am »
Ang pagkaka alam ko ang gusto daw talaga ng mga taga airforce is yung SAAB Grippen.

Hmmm maganda nga pero 40 - 60 m $ isang bago napakamahal kaya ba naten to?

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Re: 2011 for our airforce
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 07:45:31 am »
Wala ako alam pag dating sa pera ng PAF, pero ayan ang nabalitaan ko na gusto bilihin ng mga airmen natin. Or we could stick it with F5s...

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Re: 2011 for our airforce
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 07:51:58 am »
ang mahal. brand new.

F-16A/B: US$14.6 million (1992)
F-16C/D: US$18.8 million (1998)
F-16E/F: US$26.9 million (2005)
F-16I: ~US$70 million (2006)

Nabasa ko rin something na obsolete na f-16 in 2025? not sure. papalitan ng ibang model. US base ang assumption ko.
Source is wikipedia.

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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 08:00:57 am »
yeah, mga bandang 2011 nga yung modernization plan.. after nung targeted 2010 defeat ng lahat ng insurgents sa pilipinas. pagkatapos nun, territorial defense na ang bibigyan ng pansin, kaya kelangan na natin ng modern equipment.

okay na okay na yung f-16, magandang standard na quality fighter. kahit ma-obsolete pa sya, ayus lang. napagtyagaan naman natin yung mga kalawanging f-5 for almost 40 years eh. saka di naman natin objective sa modernization ang makipagkumpetensya sa larger nations dahil di talaga natin magagawa yun, so okay na yung f-16. ang importante eh kaya nating ipagtanggol ang sarili natin laban sa mga bansang kaya natin labanan. pero kung against china na ang usapan eh kelangan na natin ng tulong ni uncle sam, hehehe..

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Re: 2011 for our airforce
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2009, 08:07:20 am »
 yeah you have a point. pero di ko naman rin sinabi na wag na bumili ng iba. wala lang sinabi ko lang.  :D

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Re: 2011 for our airforce
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2009, 08:10:20 am »
Bumili na lng kaya sila ng Apache o Cobra attack helicopter instead of jet figher.

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Re: 2011 for our airforce
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2009, 08:22:50 am »
ang mahal. brand new.

F-16A/B: US$14.6 million (1992)
F-16C/D: US$18.8 million (1998)
F-16E/F: US$26.9 million (2005)
F-16I: ~US$70 million (2006)

Nabasa ko rin something na obsolete na f-16 in 2025? not sure. papalitan ng ibang model. US base ang assumption ko.
Source is wikipedia.

2025 wala na sa us ang f16 kasi papalitan ng f35 atah un. Pero saten pwedeng pwede pa yan need lang naten ng training for flying at maintenance.


Ha bket naman? Apache pah. heheheh.

Ill also go for more choppers mas need natin un para sa internal defense kasi hiwahiwalay din ang mga isla naten. Pero hindi mo maikakaila na need din naten ng mga jets.
Bumili na lng kaya sila ng Apache o Cobra attack helicopter instead of jet figher.

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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2009, 08:25:50 am »
if ako ask di naten kelangan muna ng airplane kung isurgents lg kalaban.
tanks muna bili sila mga 30 merkava(tama ba?)or 30 ma M1 Abrams nako walang panama mga rebelde jan.di ata naubra RPG na kalawangin sa mga tankeng ito.

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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2009, 08:32:42 am »
Sorry pow ha pero para sa akin hindi naten need ng mga makabagong mga tanke para sa mga insurgence. Lalo na kung mga abusayaf lang hindi naman nadadala sa taas ng bundok ang mga tanke. Better equipment para sa mga troops uu pwede pah.  ;D

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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2009, 08:55:01 am »
yep, hindi Main battle tanks ang kailangan natin dahil mostly jungle warfare ang ginagawa natin against the insurgents.. siguro mga light apc saka better personnel equipment sa marines.. helicopters para sa civil defense at evac pag napunta sa kalsada ang labanan..

pero again, yung 2011 (o 2012 ba?) modernization plan eh supposed to be enacted AFTER the insurgency problems. ang target date ng military para matapos ang rebel problem sa pilipinas ay 2010 (sana totoo). after nun, saka lang nila imomodernize ang military, hence the jets (dahil supposed to be ay hindi na rebelde ang paggagamitan natin ng military natin kundi territorial defence).

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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2009, 09:47:15 am »
pwede rin equiptment.mgkano ba kevlar na coat or vest?
panalo yan lahat ng sundalo naten me kevlar vest isa isa....
pero bro need pa din naten tank i believe.NPA lg naman ang mostly nasa bundok,abusayaf jungle ba?kalbo na mga bundok naten ngaun.merkava,ambrams all terrain tanks mga yan.
imagine 5 tanks and sa likod me mga foot soldiers - mala world war 2 and sa taas me mga OB-10 throwing napalms hehe(bawal to greenhouse inducing  :D)

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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2009, 10:04:19 am »
pwede rin equiptment.mgkano ba kevlar na coat or vest?
panalo yan lahat ng sundalo naten me kevlar vest isa isa....
pero bro need pa din naten tank i believe.NPA lg naman ang mostly nasa bundok,abusayaf jungle ba?kalbo na mga bundok naten ngaun.merkava,ambrams all terrain tanks mga yan.
imagine 5 tanks and sa likod me mga foot soldiers - mala world war 2 and sa taas me mga OB-10 throwing napalms hehe(bawal to greenhouse inducing  :D)

You may be able to knock out a tree with an MBTs turret traverse. But in dense jungles aiming that long 120mm gun would be a big problem. I believe, the Philippine Marine Corp had encountered that problem already with their V-300 FSV armed with a 90mm Cockeril gun.

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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2009, 11:46:07 am »
i disagree on the "need din natin ang jets"or anything like that, for decades, upto now, requirements of jets in our arsenal was never been proved. our f5 became rusted and unoperational without showing their usefulness. so i guess we wont gonna need them at all.

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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2009, 11:59:46 am »
i disagree on the "need din natin ang jets"or anything like that, for decades, upto now, requirements of jets in our arsenal was never been proved. our f5 became rusted and unoperational without showing their usefulness. so i guess we wont gonna need them at all.

During the days of the Cold War.

Malakas mang asar ang Russian Airforce sa atin.

Magpapadala sila ng TU-95 Bear malapit sa Area natin.
At mapipilitan naman ang Airforce natin na magpadala ng interceptor para i escort palabas ang Bear.

Anyways.. kung meron lang sana talaga pera para sa interceptors ok lang. A fighter plane could have stopped 9/11.
And I don't want a twin towers part 2 starring Tektite.

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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2009, 09:50:05 pm »
mi
During the days of the Cold War.

Malakas mang asar ang Russian Airforce sa atin.

Magpapadala sila ng TU-95 Bear malapit sa Area natin.
At mapipilitan naman ang Airforce natin na magpadala ng interceptor para i escort palabas ang Bear.

Anyways.. kung meron lang sana talaga pera para sa interceptors ok lang. A fighter plane could have stopped 9/11.
And I don't want a twin towers part 2 starring Tektite.

midst of the cold war yun bro. besides if ussr really wants to invade us on that period us will be the one who will fight for us. as what i have said, our f5's usefullness was never been demonstrated. not to mention that in the world todaywhere peace and diplomacy arebeing implemented, such fund for a war stuff like a jet figther is not necessary

anyway kung magmomodernize, ung numbers, strategical aspects at ung infotech system ang kelanganmuna pagtuunan ng pansin. kung magkakaraptor tau ,, tapos 2 piraso lang ,, walang mainam na control tower at wlang stratigical assistance, wala din infos , wala pa ring kwenta iyon

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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2009, 06:38:59 am »
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midst of the cold war yun bro. besides if ussr really wants to invade us on that period us will be the one who will fight for us. as what i have said, our f5's usefullness was never been demonstrated. not to mention that in the world todaywhere peace and diplomacy arebeing implemented, such fund for a war stuff like a jet figther is not necessary

anyway kung magmomodernize, ung numbers, strategical aspects at ung infotech system ang kelanganmuna pagtuunan ng pansin. kung magkakaraptor tau ,, tapos 2 piraso lang ,, walang mainam na control tower at wlang stratigical assistance, wala din infos , wala pa ring kwenta iyon

Ok pow one for a fact hinding hindi tayo pwedeng bumili ng raptor napaka mahal nya hindi din naten kaya ang expense para paliparin sya. Tapos napaka advance na nun para sa aten. Yung mga airforce sa africa mas malakas pa kesa sa aten eh. Tapos kaya hindi nagamet ang mga f5's naten kase nga 2 nalang natira simula nung pinatubo tapos medyo sira na yung frame nya kaya pag liliko dapat mabagal lang ang lipad. Paano naten mapapangalagaan ang ating national security kung wala tayong decenteng airforce.

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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2009, 06:51:09 am »
Ok pow one for a fact hinding hindi tayo pwedeng bumili ng raptor napaka mahal nya hindi din naten kaya ang expense para paliparin sya. Tapos napaka advance na nun para sa aten. Yung mga airforce sa africa mas malakas pa kesa sa aten eh. Tapos kaya hindi nagamet ang mga f5's naten kase nga 2 nalang natira simula nung pinatubo tapos medyo sira na yung frame nya kaya pag liliko dapat mabagal lang ang lipad. Paano naten mapapangalagaan ang ating national security kung wala tayong decenteng airforce.

siguro pwede na yung anti air weapon.. if ever makapagmodernize yung airforce.. palagay natin makabili ng F16 kaso malamang baka 5 units lang yan at hindi lang naman Metro Manila ang lugar sa Pilipinas.. problema pa maintenance kaya ba nating ihandle yun?.. gustuhin man natin na maging modern kaso ang problema palagi budget..

pati in terms of national security tingin ko wala pinas nun.. mga Koreano nga labas pasok sa pinas ni hindi kinikwesyon yung passport.. paano pa kaya yung iba na labas pasok sa teritoryo ng Pilipinas..

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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2009, 07:10:51 am »
siguro pwede na yung anti air weapon.. if ever makapagmodernize yung airforce.. palagay natin makabili ng F16 kaso malamang baka 5 units lang yan at hindi lang naman Metro Manila ang lugar sa Pilipinas.. problema pa maintenance kaya ba nating ihandle yun?.. gustuhin man natin na maging modern kaso ang problema palagi budget..

pati in terms of national security tingin ko wala pinas nun.. mga Koreano nga labas pasok sa pinas ni hindi kinikwesyon yung passport.. paano pa kaya yung iba na labas pasok sa teritoryo ng Pilipinas..

Eh ano naman yung sinasabe na momodernize ang airforce naten sa 2011? So hindi totoo un?

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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2009, 07:20:58 am »
Eh ano naman yung sinasabe na momodernize ang airforce naten sa 2011? So hindi totoo un?

possible yun pero most probably impossible sa 2011.. possible siya pero siguro wait pa nga lang tayo for ten more years.. kasi para makapagmodernize ka kailangan mo budget.. as in malaking budget espcially for airforce.. kahit flight simulation wala pa ata tayo nun eh..

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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2009, 09:27:48 am »
Ok pow one for a fact hinding hindi tayo pwedeng bumili ng raptor napaka mahal nya hindi din naten kaya ang expense para paliparin sya. Tapos napaka advance na nun para sa aten. Yung mga airforce sa africa mas malakas pa kesa sa aten eh. Tapos kaya hindi nagamet ang mga f5's naten kase nga 2 nalang natira simula nung pinatubo tapos medyo sira na yung frame nya kaya pag liliko dapat mabagal lang ang lipad. Paano naten mapapangalagaan ang ating national security kung wala tayong decenteng airforce.

first of all hindi tau pwde bumili ng raptor hindi lang dahil mahal, ang japan at ang australia ang mag naglalaway magkaroon ng raptor. nag demand pa nga ang australia noon sa white house e. binand ng pagrelease ng raptor sa labas para wag maikalat ang technology niya. f35 lang ang nilalako dahil eventhough ang f35 ay murang version ng raptor, mas malaki pa rin daw ang deprensya at lamang ng raptor isa pa maraming bansa sa europe na nagparticipate para sa f35. ikalawa bro. ang mga nawasak na eroplano oong pumutok ang pinatubo ay ang mga f8 natin.(nagtataka aq bakit hindi nababangit d2 un superior un mga un kaysa f5) mapapangalagaan natin ang national security natin sa pamamagitan ng pakikisama sa us.saka na lang siguro magasam ng mga jetfighters kung me masasabing enough funds na tau at ang poblema natin iternally ay tapos na.besides that isla isla ang pinas, isa pa, hindi lang sa himpapawoid ang pagsakop ng bansa napakaraming aspects nito. ano naman kung wala taung pang ere kung ung mga panglupa natin maganda depensa , at kung talagang matindi ang kalaban anjan ang US at higit sa lahat anjan ang "UN".
Eh ano naman yung sinasabe na momodernize ang airforce naten sa 2011? So hindi totoo un?

maraming bansa na ang mga nagalok sa atin ng f16 f18 at migs. kahit china inalok na tau. malamang ung pagbili ng mga surplass na eroplano ang tinutukoy ng pag modernize, which is totally unnecessary. walang treat sa atin at higit sa lahat, buong mundo nagreresesion at nag tratry makarecover sa crisis. asyado ng busy para manakop pa. anti personel lang ang mga kelangan natin such as attack helicopters, better euqipments better armaments, trained and well feed men at higit sa lahat good and better negotiators.

siguro pwede na yung anti air weapon.. if ever makapagmodernize yung airforce.. palagay natin makabili ng F16 kaso malamang baka 5 units lang yan at hindi lang naman Metro Manila ang lugar sa Pilipinas.. problema pa maintenance kaya ba nating ihandle yun?.. gustuhin man natin na maging modern kaso ang problema palagi budget..

pati in terms of national security tingin ko wala pinas nun.. mga Koreano nga labas pasok sa pinas ni hindi kinikwesyon yung passport.. paano pa kaya yung iba na labas pasok sa teritoryo ng Pilipinas..

gaya ng sinabi ko kahit berkut raptor f35 at pakfa pa magkaroon ng pilipinas kung 2 hangang 5 piraso, sa tingin nyo ba me magagawa un, makapagpabagsak man un ng bente ng eroplano ng kalabn, pag katapos maubos ang bullets, missiles, fuel, at bomba nun pag lapag nun wala na pinapasabog na. besides that wala taung magandan control tower at mga strategic system na magsusuporta at mag eenhance ng capabilities ng mga un. completely useless talaga. not to mentioned men with knowledge of dealing thoses shit; and proper hangars and tools for maintanace. ang nakakatakot pa dun pag nasakyan ng mga rebelde at tipong nag kamikaze sila papuntang malakanyang pano na?(ala 911 ang dating) totally unnecessary

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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2009, 10:35:38 am »
Philippines - The Philippine Air Force (PAF) on Wednesday said it will start acquiring fighter jets by 2011 to boost the country's air power for territorial defense.

During the PAF’s 61st founding anniversary celebration held at the Benito Ebuan Airbase, Air Force chief Lieutenant General Pedrito Cadungog said the country had been lacking in fighter jets with the decommissioning of a fleet of the ageing F-5 three years ago.

Cadungog said it would cost the county at least P50 billion for the initial acquisition of the fighter jets.

“As a respected nation, we must have a projection of military power. Otherwise, who is going to respect us? No one will respect us... (Presently,) we have a very very limited capability in terms of external defense," Cadungog said.

The top Air Force official noted that with the decommissioning of its F-5 fleet in 2005, the Air Force had relied on its S211 aircrafts - which are actually designed as trainer planes - for the task of territorial defense.

Cadungog said that while there are no external threats to the country, a fleet of fighter jets is necessary to prevent possible violations of the country’s airspace, and protect the country's airspace as an economic resource.

“If we are not going to guard that (airspace), we cannot collect any fee (from aircraft using our airspace). They can violate our airspace until they want. Unfortunately, some do not understand this. They may be asking ‘who is our enemy?’. But we have an airspace to protect because that is also part of our economic resources. We should be billing aircraft passing (the country’s airspace)," Cadungog said.

Cadungog said the Air Force is presently in the process of making a study of what type of fighter jets they are going to acquire. He said the acquisition can only start after 2010 which is the projected defeat of internal security threats.

“(We will make the acquisition) after 2010. As a matter of fact, that is what we call the horizon 2. We're looking beyond the horizon, by 2011," said Cadungog on when the Air Force will begin acquiring fighter jets.

“As a matter of fact, we are very busy right now making all the researches what (fighter planes) is appropriate for us. Our staff, key staff officers, are there making evaluation on that...The process of acquisition takes a lot of time. We have to start now if we want to have supersonic jets by 2015. As early as now, we should start the process. We cant buy them over the counter," he added.

Already, the military is in the process of acquiring attack helicopters with night-flying capability which he said are crucial to the defeat of internal security threats. The procurement of such helicopters, however, suffered a setback early this year due to alleged bidding irregularities. - GMANews.TV

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EVAT funds to go to AFP modernization plan

Malaya, July 2, 2008


PRESIDENT Arroyo yesterday said the government is not completely relying on the United States to upgrade the military's capability because revenues from the expanded value-added tax will be used to finance the military's modernization plan.

"For hard assets, we are not just relying on the US, we are also relying on the fruits for the reforms of the (12 percent) value-added tax so that we can finance much of our own modernization," she said in her speech at the Air Force's 61st anniversary celebrations in Lapu-lapu City.

The President said billions from E-VAT will be used to buy new helicopters, not just reconditioned ones.

"A number of primary and basic aircraft are also coming soon. These should prevent the Air Force from running out of planes and prevent pilots from running out of the Air Force," she said.

She said that during her recent 10-day official visit to the US, she was able to strengthen the military cooperation of the two countries and secure an assurance that the US government will continuously support the Philippine Defense Reform Plan, particularly the "capability upgrade program."

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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2009, 01:40:10 am »
i really think that what we need are modern all weather missille firing helicopters.. with corresponding stealth survellance helicopters and early warning ground radars covering whole philippines

the helos should number in squadrons (100 maybe) enough for quick deployment anywhere in the phil area of responsbility

and if some budget can be spared, anti aircraft missille units to spread out in the urban centers

we need the radar early warning system most cause it can function as weather tracking units, early warning against attacts,and also search and rescue


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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2009, 03:58:24 am »
nakatime deposit ang pera sa upgrades. para ung interes sa mga generals na. hahaha.

matanong ko lang, pano kung ndi mapublos ung mga guerrilla sa taong 2010? baka maatras ung pagbili ng "Supersonic" jets. hahaha.

ako i'll suggest a harrier. although subsonic. pede nmn xang multirole.

pero sana nmn bago nila iupgrade to maupgrade ung mha UH-1H natin... ung tipong bagong engine and night flying capable. just like the UH2.