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Re: For I.T.'s and Compscie's
« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2009, 05:46:30 am »
pag graduate ng comscie ang tawag sa kanya SCIENTIST!!
pag IT naman ang tawag sa kanya Technologist!!

pero kiding aside dapat matawag ka professional kung nagparactice ka sa iyong field at may na achive ka na significant

matatawag mo bang IT proffessional ang Comscie grad  na naging clerk or encoder? diba over qualified sya?

so pag fresh grad tawag sayo Noob hehehe joke

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« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2009, 05:55:48 am »
paano mo kaya lalagyan ng board exam ang mga nagtapos ng IT

sa sobrang daming pwedeng pagkuhanan, mababaliw ang kukuha ng test niya. not to mention na nagbabago rin ang techology natin every year

kaya dun sa author niya, mag IT muna siya bago niya sabihin yan  8)
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« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2009, 03:15:13 pm »
paano mo kaya lalagyan ng board exam ang mga nagtapos ng IT

sa sobrang daming pwedeng pagkuhanan, mababaliw ang kukuha ng test niya. not to mention na nagbabago rin ang techology natin every year

kaya dun sa author niya, mag IT muna siya bago niya sabihin yan  8)

You have a point there!!! powtek talaga tong si george reynolds! nagsusulat pa sa Ethics for IT book pa! ::lmao
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« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2009, 03:18:41 pm »
Can you quote the at least the paragraph where the said line is mentioned? Thank you.

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« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2009, 09:56:22 pm »
the main reason why IT or other computer-based courses have no board exams is because the trend/development in this fields are rapid that it is impossible to set a standard.....

di porque hindi ka naka pag board eh,di ka na pwede tawaging PROFESSIONAL....napaka demeaning naman yata ang statement na yan...


i'm a graduating IT student and one of the reasons why i choose this course eh dahil wala itong board!!

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« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2009, 07:06:36 am »
Sana ang tawag sa mga teacher e teaching professionals, sa mga nars e nursing professionals, at sa mga engineer e engineering professionals? Di naman di ba? Ehe.

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« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2009, 10:20:22 pm »
I still don't understand why people argue over _this_. One way or the other, you're going to be the same person. You're not being denied of something important. It's not even a title. What I'm trying to say is, stop setting yourself on fire.



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one piece of advice idol, stop being concern about how others are handling their point of view and how they make a living out of it,

Professional na considered ang mga IT and Compscie's to think that they spent most of their time studying their art(unless tambay ka nang comp shop and hindi related sa degree mo ang pinagkaka abalahan mo)...


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« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2009, 01:41:30 am »
cno may sabi nito? at matuktukan ko ng sandok ng palamig sa noo...  ::lmao

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« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2009, 01:47:54 am »
as long na nagamit mo yung pinag aralan mo pwede ka tawagin na PROFESSIONAL..like me im an I.T. support technician sa company namin halos lahat ng gagawin sa loob ng office nakadepende sa systems kaya hindi lang basta basta ang mga I.T. geeks..para sa mga co spy na I.T. always remember, we are the BACK BONE of the company.. ::inposition
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« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2009, 02:26:20 am »
I'm sure the topic starter misunderstood what the author is trying to say. It's a single line that belongs in a book and I believe there is something missing here. You can say apples are boring but that doesn't mean you don't like it. You can write a chapter about how boring an apple is and follow it up with a dozen chapters to say how it is not.

In the first place, it's a stupid topic. Like what I said before, stop setting yourself on fire. You'll only burn yourself. Not the person beside you and not the person who wrote the misinterpreted line.

Even if there will be a law that states IT people are considered "professionals", do you get an extra dollar? No. You'll be the same person.

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« Reply #60 on: August 22, 2009, 08:57:21 am »
But sir don't forget that its the acknowledgement of being a Professional that's why people in this topic is giving their opinion...but then again if the topic seems stupid for you...





why bother read it?? ???


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« Reply #61 on: August 22, 2009, 10:29:04 am »
@dantot - So, what do a professional get?

Like what I pointed out before, even though I find the topic and reactions stupid, it still interest me. And now I have to repeat what I said a post before because people here are going to bark at me for calling their opinions stupid.

First of all, the quote given or rather the incomplete line given is part of a book, which is about IT ethics. So, didn't it occur to you that it was said in a different way like setting up a good chapter or point or a complement to IT people?

Topic starter didn't even post the entire sentence.

I have read the book that's why I'm asking the topic starter to quote as much as he or she can. After he or she have done that, you'll know why I call it stupid.

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« Reply #62 on: August 22, 2009, 03:18:10 pm »
@123kid123

Point taken since you have claimed you already have knowledge about the book itself where the said statement was just a part of it.

But with this statement comes with that idea that the topic starter was trying to imply, i also think that being able to prove someone or something is the whole idea of this topic.

Since it is about claiming the rights to be acknowledge, it may not be about being another person but its all for the sake of being acknowledge so that someone will believe you that you are what you wanted to be known for..

A very good example is you sir 123kid123, in this topic you are claiming that you have first hand knowledge of the statement from the book because you have read about the book while some of us just gave our own opinion with or without reading the book meaning maybe some of us just provide a "inside the box" idea of the said statement as what you have been trying to point out or shall i say how i have read and understand about your point.And in return i believe in you since said it and strongly claim to be knowledgeable about it.


And another thing if you don't really care about being called a Professional, then that's your problem. However, Some of  us really do. And we really have the right to be called that way for we have given sufficient time, effort and money just for the sake of being identified as TOP of the CLASS PROFESSIONAL


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« Reply #63 on: August 22, 2009, 03:35:21 pm »
@dantot - So, do your superiors or clients treat you less than what you deserve because you are not considered a "professional"? Are you being denied of some benefits like insurance or increase or promotion because you are not considered a "professional"?

My reply to your answer: My point exactly.

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« Reply #64 on: August 22, 2009, 08:10:44 pm »
@123kid123

again my friend your missing the point here, your basis is for beneficiary purposes may it be about the job itself or the money involve...

if you were to disregard the fact of having the title "Professional" next to someones name maybe i could suggest that you put a thorough analysis why there is a difference between pure talent and years of studies may it be in academics or experience. Furthermore i can no longer tell how hard it is to reach your level of expectations towards others but this i say to you, it is very rare i stumbled upon such intelligence like yours. That is at the very least i could show you how i appreciate your opinion


still you really don't put things the way your "ideal" mind wants it to be... if you do, do it in your own world.

it is your way , that's why  i don't have the rights to argue with that.

but when you go out of the bounds it's another story.

i can't also suggest others to believe either one of us, it is for them what to pick on what is serve infront of them

well other than i have in my mind and those that i chose to share i think it is my final point...

you think you're right then live with it

if i might be wrong then  i'll live with it



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« Reply #65 on: August 23, 2009, 12:51:03 am »
@up -

Papers (certificates, resumes, etc) are irrelevant once you're already in the industry.

Second point, why don't you waste time to read the exact written words in the damn book? Say you're being sarcastic in your praises, I read the damn book. I have an informed overall opinion here.

Ok, let me have an interactive explanation here.

1) Do you consider yourself a "professional"?
2) Do you think your working environment treat or view you as a "professional"?

Your answer will be yes and yes. No one said you're not.

3) Did the topic starter misquoted and further mislead you? Yes.

Like I said before, no one is questioning you but yourself.

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« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2009, 07:12:53 am »
wow english ang labanan.  toast:: toast:: toast::

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« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2009, 09:23:26 am »
@123kid123

you are indeed mislead by your own self centered point of view...

you show so much disgust on what you see for yourself is IRRELEVANT while for others consider it relevant at some point.


why i on the other hand trying to tell you that it is for them to do their own petty talk, for them it is a point of view and you can do nothing about it... except you run as  an official of this country, legislate a rule regarding how people around you should consider things the way you consider would be right...

I am not particularly talking about the changes of the norm as to be pertained a  "Professional"

I was trying to let you know that it would really feel good "somehow" for "someone" to be distinct..

If dealing with your own problems regarding your weakness means dealing with other people's weakness well it is your problem not mine and i hope you'll be fine soon enough to realize you're doing more damage than solving it.

Yet still i do expect from you that you would point this out ...   No matter who has the prettier face,they still have the same domain , They are HUMANS... i already got it no need to put a interactive question (interactive eh, why'd you already answered for me duh  ???)

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« Reply #68 on: August 23, 2009, 10:43:30 am »
Padaan lang po!!!  smoking::

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« Reply #69 on: August 23, 2009, 10:57:28 am »
@dantot - So basically what you were saying was off topic? I'm only going to say this as simple and boring as I can:

I don't understand what you just said in your last 3 or so posts. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

So, you still haven't read the book or the chapter in question? Yeah, I figured. I'm arguing based on facts. Sadly, your statements are too damn general and boring. No facts, no details which ultimately lead me to #$#@$.

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« Reply #70 on: August 23, 2009, 11:12:06 am »
Mag-tagalog na ako kasi medyo nahihirapan ako umintindi.

Una - Walang nagsabi na hindi skilled workers ang mga nagtatrabaho sa industriya ng I.T. Kulang ang quote o binigay na linya ng topic starter. Dahil dito, nagkakaroon ng hindi pagkakaintindihan.

Uulitin ko, walang nagsabi.

Pangalawa - May mga benipisyo ba na hindi nakukuha ang mga nagtatrabaho sa industriya ng I.T. dahil hindi sila "professional" o "skilled workers"? Walang benipisyo dahil sa unang punto pa lang, walang nagsabi na hindi sila "skilled workers" o "professional. Walang nagsabi.

Walang diskriminasyon. Dahil sa kulang na quote, kayo mismo ang gumagawa ng isyu. Sinisindihan niyo ng apoy ang sarili ninyo. Hindi ang mga clients niyo, hindi mga boss niyo, hindi mga kaibigan niyo na nasa labas ng industriya, kung hindi, kayo lang ang nagsasabi.

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« Reply #71 on: August 23, 2009, 11:13:56 am »
@dantot - Nabasa ko ang libro. Alam ko na hindi pinapalabas ng nagsulat ang "quoted" na linya. Ikaw nabasa mo ba?

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« Reply #72 on: August 23, 2009, 11:22:56 am »
@dantot - Kung may gusto ka sabihin, sabihin mo ng diretso at tagalog. Kung ingles man, paki lagyan naman ng detalye o details. Kasi medyo umiiwas ka sa hinahanap mo'ng gulo. Huwag ka na magpasikot-sikot. Huwag mo na rin sabihin na in-topic ang mga replies mo. Unang-una, hindi mo pa nababasa ang libro na tinutukoy ng topic starter. Sa madaling salita, walang laman ang replies mo at puro ewan ewan lang.

Huwag mo na ipilit na ipa-ban ako. Minsan ka na nagtangka, sablay naman. Ikaw pa mismo ang pinagtawanan.

Ayoko sa lahat yung duwag.

Uulitin ko, hindi mo nabasa ang libro. Ako nabasa ko at alam ko na hindi yun ang pinapalabas ng nagsulat. Ikaw hindi mo nabasa kaya walang laman ang salita mo. Oo, kaya ko sinasabi na tigilan na nila ang pagtatalo dito dahil unang una pa lang hindi totoo ang kanilang pinagtatalunan.

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« Reply #73 on: August 23, 2009, 11:26:19 am »
123kid123 naiintindihan kita na buhay mo ang makikipag debate sa ibang tao and its your rights.
Pero remember meron karing rights to follow our FORUM RULES
( Di lang Rights, Obligation to be exact)
Id suggest that you compile all your reply. Or wait for any responses from your Post.



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« Reply #74 on: August 23, 2009, 06:24:26 pm »
Mag-tagalog na ako kasi medyo nahihirapan ako umintindi.

Una - Walang nagsabi na hindi skilled workers ang mga nagtatrabaho sa industriya ng I.T. Kulang ang quote o binigay na linya ng topic starter. Dahil dito, nagkakaroon ng hindi pagkakaintindihan.

Uulitin ko, walang nagsabi.

Pangalawa - May mga benipisyo ba na hindi nakukuha ang mga nagtatrabaho sa industriya ng I.T. dahil hindi sila "professional" o "skilled workers"? Walang benipisyo dahil sa unang punto pa lang, walang nagsabi na hindi sila "skilled workers" o "professional. Walang nagsabi.

Walang diskriminasyon. Dahil sa kulang na quote, kayo mismo ang gumagawa ng isyu. Sinisindihan niyo ng apoy ang sarili ninyo. Hindi ang mga clients niyo, hindi mga boss niyo, hindi mga kaibigan niyo na nasa labas ng industriya, kung hindi, kayo lang ang nagsasabi.

@Sir DJdavetrance

excuse me po sir, peace po magbibigay lang ako sa aking kaibigan si 123kid123 nang aking huling punto dahil po nararamdaman kong ako po ay kanya nang na pinepersonal,pagtatanggol ko lang po punto ko para sa topic na to.

@123kid123

Peace po sir nang huminahon ka nang kaunti , kung sa tingin mo panalo sa argument mo fine you have that, sinabi ko naman na, if you were right then you can live with it and if  i am wrong i'll find a way to live with it .

but for one last time i have been trying to remind yet you never take a second to look at it,
petty talk po ito nang ibang mga espiya members besides from those who have a first hand knowledge sa mismong book na pinanggalingan nga nang statement na pinagdedebatehan po ng mga nakabasa at nakapag comment na sa Topic
which is you on the other hand trying to imply na this topic is useless, irrelevant and kung anu pa man yan na nais mong idescribe.

may nakalimutan ka lang po kasi talaga din 123kid123
eto po oh,
Are you agree with this statement:

"IT professionals cannot be called as PROFESSIONALS because they have no licensure exam..."

-sa akin lang, if you act ethically (according to I.T. code of ethics) lang towards your work eh, pwede kang tawaging professional.
tapos title of the thread eto po oh
For I.T.'s and Compscie's

so definitely ang target po nang TS is general opinion from espiya members
hindi po pataasan nang wiwi like who have read about the book and who haven't

now para nanaman po sa iyong ultimate starstruck questions,

1. Wala pala nagsasabi nang kung sino po ang Skilled worker sa hindi eh, bakit ka po GIGIL? kahit ako hindi ko sinabing about skilled eh, ang sabi ko about being called "Professional"... asan topic ka po ba? naligaw ka naman...

2.nanjan ka nanaman sa punto mo about benefits involving money or the likes... sinabi ko naman na sayo na para sa ibang tao which is humble enough na malaking bagay na iyon na matawag kang Professional lalo na sa mga nagkakaila  for such reasons like Licenses and others. kung para kay 123kid123 po ay no need na ito edi okay po hindi ka naman pinipilit pero huwag kang bitter or killjoy kung para sa iba gusto nila ma compliment at the very least kung yun ang tingin mo po, tingin mo po yan eh it is your right. and i am your left o diba balance tayo apir nga!  toast::

3.kulang man ang qoute or hindi nasan thread po ba nakalagay ang topic
espiya cafe po where you want interaction towards members po, hindi po 123kid123 know it all, excuse po joke lang hindi ako namemersonal.
Wala po talagang diskriminasyon except your post/s... comparing our post/s nalang very bold na nagkaroon ka nang discrimination sa iyong appeal, good intention naman po to tell others what they have'nt noticed pero hindi mo naman sila pinagbigyan sa kanilang munting hiling. Yun ba ekang matawag ka na pro!

nabasa mo nga po, ako po hindi again you are the better man ... but still be considerate, stand for your rights pero huwag ka naman po out of bounds na,

pati po yung pagreply ko in english mali nanaman sayo, well sige from now on i'll try... there is one thing in my mind that can't accept your command, you were replying in english so i know ethically that it is right to reply in english...

walang laman po ang comments ko, then i'll live with it even if i will be listed as spammer then so be it. ikaw ren mamiss moko pakiss nga  :-*

At hindi kita pinapa ban ngayon, kinakausap kita pogi ka kasi..

duwag ako eh bakit ba! hindi po ako makikipaglaban actually para saken kasi hindi naman po eto competitionbut rather interaction. Were interacting so that we could relax and get to know each other. medyo may pagka pakilamero lang talaga ako.

@sir DjDavetrance
finish na po ako, further evaluation po para akin ay bukas loob ko pong tatanggapin..

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