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China releases 'active defence' military strategy
« on: May 26, 2015, 07:50:27 am »
#China releases 'active defence' military strategy, warns those 'meddling' in the South China Sea

The white paper bluntly warns against countries who it considered were "busy meddling" in the South China Sea.

"A tiny few maintain constant close-in air and sea surveillance and reconnaissance against China," the white paper said. "It is thus a long-standing task for China to safeguard its maritime rights and interests."

The paper, released by China's State Council, said the People's Liberation Army Navy would gradually expand its "offshore waters defence" to include "open seas protection".

It said it would adopt an "active defence" military strategy and speed up the development of a "cyber force" which would enhance its capabilities in the event of being targeted by cyber attack.

The paper also indirectly cites Australia's strengthening military alliance with the US as an issue of concern, in the context of the US continuing to enhance its military presence and alliances in the Asian region as part of its "rebalancing" strategy toward the Asia-Pacific.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/china-releases-active-defence-military-strategy-warns-those-meddling-in-the-south-china-sea-20150526-gha2jj.html


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Re: China releases 'active defence' military strategy
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2015, 07:54:20 am »
OPINION:

One rogue missile or cannon shell hits an aircraft or ship in international waters opens a pandoras box of economic sanctions... If you think the sanctions on Russia was bad... The chinese situation is a lot bleaker... First all chinese ca$h assets will be frozen in Asean and the United States, second oil embargo from the middle east, third a boycott on their products which they sell on the US, Asean and Philippine Market plus western europe... Most of the internantional companies in China will likely walk away from their contracts because goods and raw materials cannot come into china... I suggest look for a book called The Bear and the Dragon by the late tom clancy... Not exactly matching the situation but the effects on an embargo is DEVASTATING!

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Re: China releases 'active defence' military strategy
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2015, 08:43:38 am »
what happens to philippines? if china put sanctions. you think they could do worse to us?

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Re: China releases 'active defence' military strategy
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2015, 11:26:22 am »
i think we will feel the initial impact since majority of the materials and items being sold here are made in china... but i believe that eventually people will shift to products made in other countries... and this will be felt by china a lot...

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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2015, 12:42:20 pm »
but i believe that eventually people will shift to products made in other countries...
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Re: China releases 'active defence' military strategy
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2015, 12:25:42 pm »
OPINION:

One rogue missile or cannon shell hits an aircraft or ship in international waters opens a pandoras box of economic sanctions... If you think the sanctions on Russia was bad... The chinese situation is a lot bleaker... First all chinese ca$h assets will be frozen in Asean and the United States, second oil embargo from the middle east, third a boycott on their products which they sell on the US, Asean and Philippine Market plus western europe... Most of the internantional companies in China will likely walk away from their contracts because goods and raw materials cannot come into china... I suggest look for a book called The Bear and the Dragon by the late tom clancy... Not exactly matching the situation but the effects on an embargo is DEVASTATING!

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Re: China releases 'active defence' military strategy
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2015, 08:12:15 pm »
hahahhahahhaha

as for me walang magagawa ang America and its allies sa china pababayaan lang yan ang pakunswelo lang yung sasabihin na kaya nila ang china

sabi ng ibang poster kaya ng america ang china even economically dati yung noon malakas pa ang america heheheheh

karamihan ng mga investment sa america lalo na sa stocks e binibili ng china
karamihan sa mga product ng america at ibang EU e galing sa china

hindi po pwedeng ipangtakot ang oil embargo ngayon ang dami ng alternatives
even cooking oil can became diesel fuel
even sugar can be made as ethanol
alternatives like renewable energy becoming powerful with the use of inverters

china is testing its limits kaya nga sya gumagawa ng aggressive expansion e alam nya wala naman magagawa ang mga yan at they can cripple the world economy halos karamihan na bilyonaryo at milyonarno e mga chinese 

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Re: China releases 'active defence' military strategy
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2015, 10:48:34 pm »
hahahhahahhaha

as for me walang magagawa ang America and its allies sa china pababayaan lang yan ang pakunswelo lang yung sasabihin na kaya nila ang china

sabi ng ibang poster kaya ng america ang china even economically dati yung noon malakas pa ang america heheheheh

karamihan ng mga investment sa america lalo na sa stocks e binibili ng china
karamihan sa mga product ng america at ibang EU e galing sa china

hindi po pwedeng ipangtakot ang oil embargo ngayon ang dami ng alternatives
even cooking oil can became diesel fuel
even sugar can be made as ethanol
alternatives like renewable energy becoming powerful with the use of inverters

china is testing its limits kaya nga sya gumagawa ng aggressive expansion e alam nya wala naman magagawa ang mga yan at they can cripple the world economy halos karamihan na bilyonaryo at milyonarno e mga chinese 

Same thoughts here. China is not Russia. U.S. is way too dependent on China right now. If you follow world news, both countries are already trying hedge against each other. But China has been the more successful one. They've secured an oil pipeline deal with Russia and have essentially 'bought' the favor of African countries to secure their supply of raw materials should Australia decide to support potential US sanctions. They have even successfully tested taking out orbital satellites under the guise of public safety although it would have just burned up in the atmosphere if it reenters the earth.

On the other hand, US has so far been unsuccessful in finding alternative producers of electronics. Even Google  (when they owned Motorola) and Apple failed in their experiments to bring their production back in the U.S.

No doubt any such sanction will hurt China, but being a communist country actually helps China in this aspect because they can redirect their resources when the government demands it. They may lose a lot of US ally customers, but their government actually has the power to takeover convert these factories for military use. Meanwhile, Americans will lose their production line and one of their biggest consumer of luxury goods. Walmart will be half-empty and bye-bye iPhones.

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Re: China releases 'active defence' military strategy
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2015, 12:04:51 am »
a number of american companies and its allies are in china. If a sanction is imposed, they may pull out this companies because the parts or items needed to produce this products won't be shipped. this companies are only there because of cheap labor. Remember, america's economy is at its highest during war time. factories are running up and about. China may takeover this factories in case the US and its allies pull out but it will take time to retrofit this factories into military production facilities.

Furthermore, china indeed can copy military techs of other countries. But maintaining them and making sure they would work when needed is a problem they haven't figured out yet.

At gaya nga ng madalas na kasabihan sa dota,

"walang malakas pag marami ang kalaban".

Think about it. walang pumapasok na resources sa bansa mo. Even though china has partnered with the some african countries, i doubt they would be that stupid na sumali sa gera where america and its allies are involved. Ni hindi nga nila maend and threat ng muslim rebels sa area nila, makisawsaw pa kaya sa gera ng china at us. tapos halos lhat ng kapitbhay mo ay kaaway mo, napapaligiran ka, at anjan na ang pinakamalakas na militar s mundo kumakatok sa pintuan mo, and you haven't got.any war experience whatsoever, this pressure would build up and will break you down. I think china is too early in years to make threats. They haven't proven anything other than being a mouthpiece.


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Re: China releases 'active defence' military strategy
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2015, 01:16:40 am »
Like you said, a number of American companies are in China. Obviously, they will have to pull out. But just as repurposing factories for war will take time, moving your factories to another country cannot happen overnight. Plus, these are private institutions who need to do it out of their individual pockets. A good chunk of them will probably just clise down and hope the situation improves.

Like I've said, tn-try na nila ireduce dependence nila sa China. But they're so far unsuccessful. It seems makikinabang tayo dito, at least in the short term, kasi lately tumitingin na sila sa Pinas to start factories.

You're right, "walang malakas pag marami kalaban", but you're mistaken if you think na konti lang kalaban ng U.S.

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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2015, 03:39:08 am »
One factor bears watching, at least where the Philippines is concerned. As the U.S. flexes its muscles in the Asia-Pacific region, will it also mean an increase in anti-American protests led by the Makabayan Bloc? China is already deflecting responsibility for tensions in the region by questioning America's motives in sending the USS Ronald Reagan to Japan. I have little doubt that the Makabayan Bloc will pick up on that gambit and call for the U.S. to leave so as to pave the way for "peaceful dialogue" with China. 
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Re: China releases 'active defence' military strategy
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2015, 03:54:20 am »
well it won't just be the US who will be fighting db? the US has a lot of enemies (N.Korea, Russia, Iran, etc.), that is given. But until this enemies of them present themselves in battle AS ONE, the US and its allies can just pick them off one by one. This guys have a lot of pride and think themselves mightier than the other so a unified enemy front wouldn't be feasible in the next 100 years at least. they have too much ego and their ideology is different. I can see Russia, China and N. Korea help each other but that's just about it. And think about the S.China sea. Its an important shipping lane. What do you think will happen if the shipments are harrassed by the Chinese Navy? What if they suddenly impose tax or fees when they pass through this channels?

Look at it this way. If you're a private businessman, will you invest in a place where security is in question? The Chinese are claiming international waters. Its supposed to be open to everybody. But since the Chinese are building military infrastructures around this areas, shipping lanes are threatened. Kung businessman ako, bakit ko padadaanin ung delivery trucks ko kung san may nakabantay na NPA o Abu Sayyaf? Destroying an economy ain't gonna happen overnight too. It takes a lot of circumstances to pile up to actually feel that your economy is getting weaker by the day. That is where the advantage of the Americans hold. America's economy is mostly reliant in creating wars. Mas nagging active ang economy nila kung my gera.

At kung magkagera ang China at US and its allies, which economy do you think will suffer the most? The ones being attacked or the one who's attacking? Who will help China during this time? Russia? N.Korea? Russia is being watched by the EU and NATO. N. Korea can be dealt with by S. Korea. Iran? They're being surrounded by countries that are mostly allied with the US. And they have ISIS to deal with. China doesn't even have the technological superiority to match the US. They're building "UNSINKABLE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS" kuno sa S.China sea. ang kaso, that is also their weakness. Its not mobile. A few passes of F-18 raptors can flatten this bases. And they have to deal with Japan on the east. China also has strained relationships with India on the right side. This is not an economic war.

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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2015, 04:51:52 am »
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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2015, 09:03:42 am »
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impressive ha! tactician ka ba?

hindi nman. masyado lang exposed sa war games like Command and Conquer, etc. hehehe...

China is mostly reliant on importing raw materials, assembling those materials into products and then exporting the finished product. According to Credit Suisse, the US owns 29% of global wealth. 26% is owned by the EU, and 10% is owned by Japan. Those are the top 3. China wasn't even mentioned. China might be the largest economy right now, but as i've said, it is mostly reliant on imports of raw materials, assembly and then exportation. Take those away and what have they got? Japan already pulled out most of its companies in China because of tensions in East China Sea. Australia will soon follow. So in the long run, if they continue to be a bully and not follow its own rules that was signed in the UN, investors will this as a red mark "CAUTION" warning and steer clear of doing business with somebody who doesn't play by the books and abide international law.


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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2015, 12:32:14 am »
well it won't just be the US who will be fighting db? the US has a lot of enemies (N.Korea, Russia, Iran, etc.), that is given. But until this enemies of them present themselves in battle AS ONE, the US and its allies can just pick them off one by one. This guys have a lot of pride and think themselves mightier than the other so a unified enemy front wouldn't be feasible in the next 100 years at least. they have too much ego and their ideology is different. I can see Russia, China and N. Korea help each other but that's just about it. And think about the S.China sea. Its an important shipping lane. What do you think will happen if the shipments are harrassed by the Chinese Navy? What if they suddenly impose tax or fees when they pass through this channels?

Look at it this way. If you're a private businessman, will you invest in a place where security is in question? The Chinese are claiming international waters. Its supposed to be open to everybody. But since the Chinese are building military infrastructures around this areas, shipping lanes are threatened. Kung businessman ako, bakit ko padadaanin ung delivery trucks ko kung san may nakabantay na NPA o Abu Sayyaf? Destroying an economy ain't gonna happen overnight too. It takes a lot of circumstances to pile up to actually feel that your economy is getting weaker by the day. That is where the advantage of the Americans hold. America's economy is mostly reliant in creating wars. Mas nagging active ang economy nila kung my gera.

At kung magkagera ang China at US and its allies, which economy do you think will suffer the most? The ones being attacked or the one who's attacking? Who will help China during this time? Russia? N.Korea? Russia is being watched by the EU and NATO. N. Korea can be dealt with by S. Korea. Iran? They're being surrounded by countries that are mostly allied with the US. And they have ISIS to deal with. China doesn't even have the technological superiority to match the US. They're building "UNSINKABLE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS" kuno sa S.China sea. ang kaso, that is also their weakness. Its not mobile. A few passes of F-18 raptors can flatten this bases. And they have to deal with Japan on the east. China also has strained relationships with India on the right side. This is not an economic war.

One thing I might add is that Russia might be doing business with China but that doesn't necessarily mean that Vladimir Putin trusts Beijing. Russia has its own territorial concerns with China, even if it's not as visible or even if it hasn't become as tense as the dispute in the West Philippine Sea.
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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2015, 01:10:49 am »
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2015, 01:53:13 am »
You're right @bluealpha. Who in their right mind would trust Beijing now when it preaches peace on one hand and holds a gun on the other?

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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2015, 03:32:28 am »
You're right @bluealpha. Who in their right mind would trust Beijing now when it preaches peace on one hand and holds a gun on the other?

Aside from China, Russia doesn't fully trust North Korea and Iran as well. North Korea is a thorn in the side of both Beijing and Moscow since Pyongyang isn't as subservient to either one anymore and likes to rock the boat (so to speak) whenever they feel like they aren't getting enough attention. And Russian security forces are keeping a wary eye on Iran out of suspicion that Tehran might secretly be supplying Islamic insurgents in Chechnya (and other areas along Russia's borders).





 
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2015, 07:14:50 am »
I find it hard to believe that these countries are still afraid of sanctions. Do you think these guys still respect the rules? China is already breaking the international laws because the Chinese thinks that they are ready for war. They simply fear nothing. China has become a dominant force but the US of America didn't become the world's most influential country for nothing. Their biggest investment is in war and no country can beat the Americans in that department. They are too paranoid and obsessed when it comes to war because they know that regardless of how well a country's economy can be, unions will always crave for war both for economic and political agendas. They've already prepared for situations like this. It's a battle of greed, not of rights. It's a battle of power, not of rules. It is a battle of deceit, not of doubts. China is simply a fool and premier world powers will put it in its proper place come 2017.

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Re: China releases 'active defence' military strategy
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2015, 07:44:18 am »
they're trying to impose superiority over the situation,see international laws are void of any value here,even if what they're doing turned out to be illegitimate ,we still don't have the power to reclaim those areas,they're trying to establish a strategic triangle, in case they're successful ,, only bilateral alliances like the Asean could help us in case china starts to conduct military actions.UN is  quite insignificant here

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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2015, 11:47:47 am »
china is testing the waters up to where she may go... it's time to assert the international law and i believe that the UN should spearhead this move...

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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2015, 11:07:13 am »
Aside from China, Russia doesn't fully trust North Korea and Iran as well. North Korea is a thorn in the side of both Beijing and Moscow since Pyongyang isn't as subservient to either one anymore and likes to rock the boat (so to speak) whenever they feel like they aren't getting enough attention. And Russian security forces are keeping a wary eye on Iran out of suspicion that Tehran might secretly be supplying Islamic insurgents in Chechnya (and other areas along Russia's borders).

China and Russia dont have a choice but to trust each other, Sa ginagawa ngayon ng US na pananakot sa dalawang malaking bansa na yan pwede muna nila isang tabi ang matagal ng alitan sa kanilang boundary, Isa pa halos open boundary na rin sila dahil doon dumadaan ang trade nilang dalawa, halos 1960's pa ang alitan nila sa boundary at marami na silang treaty para maiwasan ang gulo sa pagitan nila

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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2015, 11:45:57 pm »
China and Russia dont have a choice but to trust each other, Sa ginagawa ngayon ng US na pananakot sa dalawang malaking bansa na yan pwede muna nila isang tabi ang matagal ng alitan sa kanilang boundary, Isa pa halos open boundary na rin sila dahil doon dumadaan ang trade nilang dalawa, halos 1960's pa ang alitan nila sa boundary at marami na silang treaty para maiwasan ang gulo sa pagitan nila

Beijing and Moscow have no choice but to work together. Trust is another matter entirely. Putin is well aware of China's preferred strategy during any kind of talks or negotiations (accept Beijing's terms first and then discuss everything else later). Given Putin's background, the tensions between Russia and China in the 1960's are still relevant today.
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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2015, 09:12:38 am »
mga ka-espiya... we are just at the beginning for the start of the beginning of a new cold war but instead of Russia vs. US, it's going to be China, Russia, and et al. vs US, EU, Australia and et al. It just need a little catalyst for us to enter a new age cold war, probably West Philippines Sea will be that catalyst. So far Putin and Xi Jinping are really pulling the patience of the Allies. Any moment now, guys.

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