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Time Travel Theory - Sa palagay mo totoo?
« on: March 05, 2010, 12:26:49 am »
Time Travel Theory
This time travel theory article discusses several theories of time travel, and comes to a conclusion if it is possible.
Throughout history, physicists have been discussing the plausibility of time travel. The theory of relativity allows for time travel into the future, going at high speeds returning to earth only aging slightly compared to your peers. Einstein's theory is a theory of space and time, it should be no surprise that black holes offer, in concept, a way to travel through space and time as well. Since it is possible in concept only, it does not mean that it has been achieved as of yet. Black holes are the product of a collapse of a massive star that has such an extreme gravitational force that it keeps light particles from leaving its surface, making the star practically invisible. Black holes act like a one way street, only allowing objects to fall into the black hole but nothing can escape from its gravitational pull. In the 1960's a mathematician from New Zealand, Roy Kerr said, that if a black hole is rotating a singularity forms in the shape of a ring. In principle, it would be possible to dive into such a space and through the ring, to emerge in another place and time. The "Kerr Solution" was the first mathematical example of a time machine. Nobody took Kerr's idea seriously until the 1970's when astronomers discovered what seemed to be real black holes in our galaxy and the hearts of other galaxies. There is an interior tunnel in the exact Kerr solution of the Einstein Field of Equations, but it is unstable. The slightest disturbance inside would seal it off and turn the tunnel into a physical singularity which would allow nothing to pass through it.

White holes are practically just like black holes in the way they are formed. The difference is that, in white holes, objects are pushed away from the center, unlike black holes which engulf objects not allowing them to escape their gravitational force. Therefore, black holes and white holes must be connected in some way, theorists believe they are connected by worm holes. If this is true, the way that this system would work is that the object would be pulled in through the black hole and shot through the wormhole at a speed close to that of light and then at the end the object would be pushed out through the white hole in another area in space. Antigravity is a force that is opposite to gravity, instead of attracting all objects, it repels them. This works kind of like when two protons come in contact with each other. Wormholes are theoretical objects in space. Wormholes are tunnels that connect two areas of space. Theoretically, black holes and white holes are connected by wormholes. Therefore, the black holes suck objects in and then are spewed out of white holes in another area in space. The tunnels that connect the two holes are called wormholes.

The traveling through the wormhole will cause you to emerge into another universe. The problem with emerging in this new world is finding a way to get home. The only way to get back to where you came from is by finding another black hole that will cause you to emerge in an area in the place which you left from. Otherwise there will be difficulty in returning to your home.

What is needed for time travel is an object that is massive enough to create distortion of space-time. Today's great physicist Stephen Hawking has already discredited the possibility of creating time machines. Although Stephen Hawking is a great physicist, his thoughts of time travel being impossible have been discredited by an Israeli researcher, Amos Ori. Ori found a flaw in the argument put forward by Hawking, claiming to rule out any possibility of time travel.

Physicists look more deeply into general relativity for details concerning time travel. In these areas of astrophysics and cosmology, the existence of black holes and wormholes is the only place to look for a mathematical or any type of equation to the existence of these celestial bodies. Cosmology is the study of large scale structures, the composition and evolution of the universe. Astrophysics is an older type of astronomy that uses the theory of relativity, along with other attributes to help explain certain occurrences in the universe.


The main purpose of Einstein's theory of special relativity was to establish the similarities of the reproduction of light and the validity of the physical laws in all frames. Galileo felt that time was constant at all times throughout the universe and Lorentz felt that when an object is moving it makes time move at a slower rate than that of the stationary clock.

Einstein proved that time can seem to travel at different speeds, the speed at which the time seems to travel all depends upon the state of motion of the observer. Einstein said that a clock in a moving laboratory would seem to tick slower than a set of clocks in a reference laboratory.

When discovering how wormholes are created, it was practically common sense. Gravity pushes matter together, creating singularities to close the wormhole. But the wormhole would be able to stay open, if a form of matter gives off a negative pressure which had antigravity associated with it. As Newton's third law of motion states, any object that comes in contact with a force an equal and opposite force will be distributed. This third law proves that if a wormhole would exist in the universe, that it would not be closed shut because of the equal and opposite force given against it. Since wormholes are the connectors of black holes and white holes, there is an equality being created at each of the two ends. The amount of force that the black hole is forcing onto the wormhole the white hole absorbs and distorts into another area in the universe. Therefore this existing system works in a complete equilibrium.

One of the problems with time travel in the past is called the "grandparent" paradox. Suppose that you are back in time and kill your grandparents before they have any children. By doing this do you eliminate your own existence? Doing something of that sort is forbidden, and in a sense you would have no free will since you are not "allowed" to kill your grandparent then. Paradoxes limit the free will of people since they are not allowed to kill their grandparent due to the laws of causality. Causality refers to the power, by which one event causes another. It has been believed that some kind of connection is necessary between the cause and the effect of events. The study of causality has centered, in part, on trying to discover and define this connection. It is easy to see how one can make a time machine if one will consider the "twin paradox" in special relativity. If there are two people, one is in a fixed position and the other is moving at a high speed relative to the person at the fixed position. Each of the people have a watch in their hands, the person moving at a high velocity's clock will seem to be moving relatively slower compared to the person just standing there. This occurs because of the time dilation in special relativity.

We are all time travelers in one sense, or another, simply by the process of aging. We are all moving towards our future, according to decisions we make in the present and made in the past. As for today's world time travels might be allowed theoretically, but real ones are still science fiction.
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Re: Time Travel Theory - Sa palagay mo totoo?
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2010, 02:54:37 am »
di ako naniniwala PERO, biblically nakikita nila ang future, hi-tech simulation siguro ang ginagamit dun.

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Re: Time Travel Theory - Sa palagay mo totoo?
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2010, 06:01:28 am »
i've been reading article for a month about time travel and all the article is saying its possible....but for me i think its ironic...they say that time travel is only one way u can travel only in the future not the pass....until now there's no prove about that theory..^_^

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Re: Time Travel Theory - Sa palagay mo totoo?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2010, 09:26:35 am »
ano ba ang advantage ng pag-time travel papunta sa future and not coming back to the present? para ka lang nagka-amnesia nun, or living under a rock.. :D

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Re: Time Travel Theory - Sa palagay mo totoo?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2010, 09:46:08 am »
The problem with time travel, should it ever become possible, is the danger of tampering with the past. I remember Ray Bradbury's "A Sound Of Thunder" (the Ray Bradbury Theater/Twilight Zone episode, not the film). That was an excellent cautionary tale on what might happen if time travel ever becomes a reality.
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Re: Time Travel Theory - Sa palagay mo totoo?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2010, 02:01:45 pm »
possible naman yun pero basta may machine na mainvent na kayang i-reach kahit half man lang ng speed ng light...pero...may negative effect din yun para sa taong nakasakay dun.hahah ;D toast::


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Re: Time Travel Theory - Sa palagay mo totoo?
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2010, 03:51:30 pm »
ok the problem between black holes and white holes is in the molecular and atomic level, if matter is sucked into a black hole the gravitational pull will be so strong that it will be disintegrated into its molecular and atomic compositions ergo said particles of what originally came in(for example a human being) came out on the other side or out the white hole can that other side reconstruct the object/human that came in the same way that it comes exactly the out?

this is the concept of teleportation that has to be taken into consideration when talking about black holes and wormholes since to achieve teleportation an object must be broken down to a molecular or atomic composition then reassembled at the destination much like in the move The Fly, teleportation similar to Star Treks teleporters seem cool but the where you molecules and atoms end up is anyones guess if you do not have a destination that has a matter reconstructer

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Re: Time Travel Theory - Sa palagay mo totoo?
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2010, 02:55:38 am »
 ::investigate eto panoorin mo tong video na to, contains explanation paano mag time travel.  smoking::

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Re: Time Travel Theory - Sa palagay mo totoo?
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2010, 04:00:12 am »
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di ako naniniwala PERO, biblically nakikita nila ang future, hi-tech simulation siguro ang ginagamit dun.

biblically naprepredict nila ang future because may blueprint tayo so alam ng gumawa sa atin kung ano ang mangyayari sa hinaharap

totoo siguro may simulation mangyayari kase naka program tayo

sabi sa panahon ni Daniel masasakop or matatalo ang Israel sa taon 70AD at sinabi ulit ni Jesus na ton 70AD eventhough kahit myth lang ito paano sakto ang hula nila ibig sabihin may simulation na naganap

biblically sabi magkakaroon ng great famine  kapag sinabing great talagang great look what's happening now simula pa lang yan madalas na el nino

totoo na nagka famine noon panahon ni Marcos but that time malakas ang agricultural power natin at konti lang ang population around 50-60 Million compare ngayon na asa lang sa export tapos halos 95Million pop it means additional 35M mouths to feed  at projection by 2015 papalo na ng 100M ang population natin

sabi sa pelikula na "AGE OF STUPID" humans are programmed to destroy itself


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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2010, 10:05:11 pm »
hehehe :D mas naniniwala pa ako sa bible kaysa sa theory nila. laffman:: ::inposition

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2011, 12:14:26 am »
napa isip ako na baka ndi totoo ang wormholes na yan, kc may limit ang pagstretch ng time & space, nastretch yung time/space dahil sa immense gravity, kung totoo nga na may immense gravity na makakabutas ng time/space, kung mabutas man, mangyayari ang "big rip" kung saan lahat ng matter energy ay masisira.. and blah balh blah

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2011, 12:35:54 am »
Pinipili kong palayain ang aking isipan kesa ikahon ito.  ;D



Michio Kaku explores the possibilities...
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The Physics of Time Travel
Is it real, or is it fable?
Michio Kaku

In H.G. Wells’ novel, The Time Machine, our protagonist jumped into a special chair with blinking lights, spun a few dials, and found himself catapulted several hundred thousand years into the future, where England has long disappeared and is now inhabited by strange creatures called the Morlocks and Eloi. That may have made great fiction, but physicists have always scoffed at the idea of time travel, considering it to be the realm of cranks, mystics, and charlatans, and with good reason.

However, rather remarkable advances in quantum gravity are reviving the theory; it has now become fair game for theoretical physicists writing in the pages of Physical Review magazine. One stubborn problem with time travel is that it is riddled with several types of paradoxes. For example, there is the paradox of the man with no parents, i.e. what happens when you go back in time and kill your parents before you are born? Question: if your parents died before you were born, then how could you have been born to kill them in the first place?

There is also the paradox of the man with no past. For example, let’s say that a young inventor is trying futilely to build a time machine in his garage. Suddenly, an elderly man appears from nowhere and gives the youth the secret of building a time machine. The young man then becomes enormously rich playing the stock market, race tracks, and sporting events because he knows the future. Then, as an old man, he decides to make his final trip back to the past and give the secret of time travel to his youthful self. Question: where did the idea of the time machine come from?

There is also the paradox of the man who is own mother (my apologies to Heinlein.) “Jane” is left at an orphanage as a foundling. When “Jane” is a teenager, she falls in love with a drifter, who abandons her but leaves her pregnant. Then disaster strikes. She almost dies giving birth to a baby girl, who is then mysteriously kidnapped. The doctors find that Jane is bleeding badly, but, oddly enough, has both sex organs. So, to save her life, the doctors convert “Jane” to “Jim.”

“Jim” subsequently becomes a roaring drunk, until he meets a friendly bartender (actually a time traveler in disguise) who wisks “Jim” back way into the past. “Jim” meets a beautiful teenage girl, accidentally gets her pregnant with a baby girl. Out of guilt, he kidnaps the baby girl and drops her off at the orphanage. Later, “Jim” joins the time travelers corps, leads a distinguished life, and has one last dream: to disguise himself as a bartender to meet a certain drunk named “Jim” in the past. Question: who is “Jane’s” mother, father, brother, sister, grand- father, grandmother, and grandchild?

Not surprisingly, time travel has always been considered impossible. After all, Newton believed that time was like an arrow; once fired, it soared in a straight, undeviating line. One second on the earth was one second on Mars. Clocks scattered throughout the universe beat at the same rate. Einstein gave us a much more radical picture. According to Einstein, time was more like a river, which meandered around stars and galaxies, speeding up and slowing down as it passed around massive bodies. One second on the earth was Not one second on Mars. Clocks scattered throughout the universe beat to their own distant drummer.

However, before Einstein died, he was faced with an embarrassing problem. Einstein’s neighbor at Princeton, Kurt Goedel, perhaps the greatest mathematical logician of the past 500 years, found a new solution to Einstein’s own equations which allowed for time travel! The “river of time” now had whirlpools in which time could wrap itself into a circle. Goedel’s solution was quite ingenious: it postulated a universe filled with a rotating fluid. Anyone walking along the direction of rotation would find themselves back at the starting point, but backwards in time!

In his memoirs, Einstein wrote that he was disturbed that his equations contained solutions that allowed for time travel. But he finally concluded: the universe does not rotate, it ex- pands (i.e. as in the Big Bang theory) and hence Goedel’s solution could be thrown out for “physical reasons.” (Apparently, if the Big Bang was rotating, then time travel would be possible throughout the universe!)

Then in 1963, Roy Kerr, a New Zealand mathematician, found a solution of Einstein’s equations for a rotating black hole, which had bizarre properties. The black hole would not collapse to a point (as previously thought) but into a spinning ring (of neutrons). The ring would be circulating so rapidly that centrifugal force would keep the ring from collapsing under gravity. The ring, in turn, acts like the Looking Glass of Alice. Anyone walking through the ring would not die, but could pass through the ring into an alternate universe. Since then, hundreds of other “wormhole” solutions have been found to Einstein’s equations. These wormholes connect not only two regions of space (hence the name) but also two regions of time as well. In principle, they can be used as time machines.

Recently, attempts to add the quantum theory to gravity (and hence create a “theory of everything”) have given us some insight into the paradox problem. In the quantum theory, we can have multiple states of any object. For example, an electron can exist simultaneously in different orbits (a fact which is responsible for giving us the laws of chemistry). Similarly, Schrodinger’s famous cat can exist simultaneously in two possible states: dead and alive. So by going back in time and altering the past, we merely create a parallel universe. So we are changing someone ELSE’s past by saving, say, Abraham Lincoln from being assassinated at the Ford Theater, but our Lincoln is still dead. In this way, the river of time forks into two separate rivers. But does this mean that we will be able to jump into H.G. Wells’ machine, spin a dial, and soar several hundred thousand years into England’s future? No. There are a number of difficult hurdles to overcome.

First, the main problem is one of energy. In the same way that a car needs gasoline, a time machine needs to have fabulous amounts of energy. One either has to harness the power of a star, or to find something called “exotic” matter (which falls up, rather than down) or find a source of negative energy. (Physicists once thought that negative energy was impossible. But tiny amounts of negative energy have been experimentally verified for something called the Casimir effect, i.e. the energy created by two parallel plates). All of these are exceedingly difficult to obtain in large quantities, at least for several more centuries!

Then there is the problem of stability. The Kerr black hole, for example, may be unstable if one falls through it. Similarly, quantum effects may build up and destroy the wormhole before you enter it. Unfortunately, our mathematics is not powerful enough to answer the question of stability because you need a “theory of everything” which combines both quantum forces and gravity. At present, superstring theory is the leading candidate for such a theory (in fact, it is the ONLY candidate; it really has no rivals at all). But superstring theory, which happens to be my specialty, is still to difficult to solve completely. The theory is well-defined, but no one on earth is smart enough to solve it.

Interestingly enough, Stephen Hawking once opposed the idea of time travel. He even claimed he had “empirical” evidence against it. If time travel existed, he said, then we would have been visited by tourists from the future. Since we see no tourists from the future, ergo: time travel is not possible. Because of the enormous amount of work done by theoretical physicists within the last 5 years or so, Hawking has since changed his mind, and now believes that time travel is possible (although not necessarily practical). (Furthermore, perhaps we are simply not very interesting to these tourists from the future. Anyone who can harness the power of a star would consider us to be very primitive. Imagine your friends coming across an ant hill. Would they bend down to the ants and give them trinkets, books, medicine, and power? Or would some of your friends have the strange urge to step on a few of them?)

In conclusion, don’t turn someone away who knocks at your door one day and claims to be your future great-great-great grandchild. They may be right
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