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Quesition Pyramiding
« on: November 15, 2009, 12:07:35 pm »
Classmates, meron ba senyung nainvite ng tropa na "tol, sama ka sakin sa sabado sa megamall(megamall sabi skin ng friend ko mismo) wala kang gagawin, tatambay kalang, kikita ka ng 5k-15k a week basta open minded kalang". i keep on asking him kung may bibilin ako sknya. may kelangan bang bayaran or etc., sabi nia wala naman, pero parang playing safe siya sa mga sinasabi nia and kulang ung mga details sa mga sagot nia, at the same time, parang pinipilit niya talaga akong sumama,saying na may tropa ciang milyonaryong binata,mga chicks daw na taga lasalle etc, mga taga cavite daw na kumikita na 15k(taga cavite po ako). pag nagustuhan ko daw, pwede ko pa daw ako magsama ng tropa. any info about this mga classmate? something fishy kasi, i dont believe na kikita ka ng pera na nakatambay kalang lalo na s hirap makakuha ng trabaho ngaun.

before, meron din akong friend, sa ortigas nman daw, glutathione nman ang business, ganun din, kikita ng pera ng walang gngwa bsta nag rerecruit ka ng bagong member, and i ask about my uncle about dun, pyramiding system nga daw ang tawag.

anyone na makakapagsabi about dito sa mga racket na may pyramiding system? so far ang naialok palang sakin is yung sa megamall nga( this week lang) and dun sa ortigas(before).

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2009, 12:10:34 pm »
Typo-graphical error lang po sa title. maraming salamat po

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2009, 12:21:23 pm »
ortigas? baka UNO yun.. sa megamall.. ano daw pangalan?
wala na daw pyramiding scheme ngayon. pero binary system meron. ewan ko ano difference nung dalawa..

there's no harm naman sa pagpunta dun as long as alam mo sa sarili mo kung magjojoin ka o hindi. lahat ng business ay nagiinvolve ng pera. so kung sasali ka jan, for sure may gagastusin ka either by joining fee or you have to buy products. pwede din na makinig ka lang..

sa networking kasi kelangan masipag/machaga ka. hindi totoo yung kahit nakaupo ka lang e kikita ka. meron yan mga qouta every month. either magrerecruit ka or magkaron ka ng sales.

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2009, 12:23:18 pm »
yes those are pyramiding or or multi level marketing. first off ang yumayaman lang dian yung pinaka mataas. its is when someone collects or earns money for nothing more than recruiting other people to collect money. They collect money from the new person in the pyramid to pay off the top person in the pyramid... they would eventually ask you to buy products for you to sell.

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2009, 12:37:30 pm »
ortigas? baka UNO yun.. sa megamall.. ano daw pangalan?
wala na daw pyramiding scheme ngayon. pero binary system meron. ewan ko ano difference nung dalawa..

there's no harm naman sa pagpunta dun as long as alam mo sa sarili mo kung magjojoin ka o hindi. lahat ng business ay nagiinvolve ng pera. so kung sasali ka jan, for sure may gagastusin ka either by joining fee or you have to buy products. pwede din na makinig ka lang..

sa networking kasi kelangan masipag/machaga ka. hindi totoo yung kahit nakaupo ka lang e kikita ka. meron yan mga qouta every month. either magrerecruit ka or magkaron ka ng sales.

sabi nya pa sakin sir, gusto ko daw bang kumita ng 450k a month?, sir para kasi sa isang college student na tulad ko, (na tulad din ng friend kong nagyaya sakin) nakakasilaw tlga ung mga ganyang offer, hindi ko natanong ung pangalan ng company, pero sa nabasa ko sa net, ung UNO , nagasasabi na 450k a month, iniisip ko nga din sir, ung mga gastos tlga dun, although sabi ng friend ko wala daw kelangan mga gastusin, basta makinig lang daw ako and maging open minded. pumasok n din ako dun sa tipong eengyahuin cgro ako or brabrainwashin para sumali sa company nila, parang ganun po.

yes those are pyramiding or or multi level marketing. first off ang yumayaman lang dian yung pinaka mataas. its is when someone collects or earns money for nothing more than recruiting other people to collect money. They collect money from the new person in the pyramid to pay off the top person in the pyramid... they would eventually ask you to buy products for you to sell.

parang nadulas na din po siya skin , na sa una daw, nag observe lang daw cla ng dalawang friend niya baguhan lang daw sila kasi (i was thinking na na recruit silang dalawa or something) after that nagustuhan nman daw nila.

hindi na po ako willing sumali dahil sa mga na discuss niyo sir, Maraming salamat Po. Ang kinatatakot ko lang po kasi, baka masilaw niya ibang tropa ko na sumali sa ganyang racker(sa School ko po). Lalung lalo na po s mga kaklase kong madaling masilaw sa pera.

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2009, 01:00:02 pm »
niyaya na rin ako ng highschool classmate ko...
last year niyaya niya ako
nagtatanong siya sa friendster na kung gusto namin kumita ng upto 5k a week...

interesado ako kasi wala akong pera at that time...pamasahe lang talaga..wala kahit pananghalian...

so ayun...sabi niya encoding daw...
pumayag ako...medyo mabilis naman ako magtype eh..ehehe
then nagkita kami sa robinson...

yup...sa UNO din ang bagsak ko...
it's like pyramiding nga...
kikita ka nga pero mas kikita yung nasa taas...
eh medyo garapal at sakim ako...
hindi ako pumayag kasi gusto ko it's either pareho ang kikitain namin o mas malaki ang kitain ko  laffman::
sang-katutak na pambobola na ang sinabi sa akin at pang-aakit...
but still...my answer is a no...

masyadong mabilis ang pera sa kanila...
kahit wala ka kasing ibenta, basta makapambola ka ng recruit...may kita ka na...
mas nakakatamad ang buhay pag ganun...

kaya saludo ako sa'yo bro...
hindi ka sumama sa kanila...

ang totoo niyan..nalito ako sa paliwanag nila kaya hindi ako umanib LOL
(biro lang)

BTW college student din ako...
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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2009, 01:20:25 pm »
niyaya na rin ako ng highschool classmate ko...
last year niyaya niya ako
nagtatanong siya sa friendster na kung gusto namin kumita ng upto 5k a week...

interesado ako kasi wala akong pera at that time...pamasahe lang talaga..wala kahit pananghalian...

so ayun...sabi niya encoding daw...
pumayag ako...medyo mabilis naman ako magtype eh..ehehe
then nagkita kami sa robinson...

yup...sa UNO din ang bagsak ko...
it's like pyramiding nga...
kikita ka nga pero mas kikita yung nasa taas...
eh medyo garapal at sakim ako...
hindi ako pumayag kasi gusto ko it's either pareho ang kikitain namin o mas malaki ang kitain ko  laffman::
sang-katutak na pambobola na ang sinabi sa akin at pang-aakit...
but still...my answer is a no...

masyadong mabilis ang pera sa kanila...
kahit wala ka kasing ibenta, basta makapambola ka ng recruit...may kita ka na...
mas nakakatamad ang buhay pag ganun...

kaya saludo ako sa'yo bro...
hindi ka sumama sa kanila...

ang totoo niyan..nalito ako sa paliwanag nila kaya hindi ako umanib LOL
(biro lang)

BTW college student din ako...

salamat bro, eto, ngaun ngaun lang, may nakausap din akong kakilala sa school, papasok na sa sabado, wag ko muna daw bigyan ng negative feedback ibang tropa(mga tropa ko tlga), tignan muna daw nila ung place(i think his pertaining to the orientation sa UNO). sabi ko sknya, hindi tlaga, bahal sila sa buhay nila, pero bukas, magseset ako ng meeting para sa tropa, and isasave ko ung mga nabasa kong fact about it and papakita ko sila, cgro tama lang nman na iinform ko sila no? kasi nakakasilaw tlga ito para s mga studyanteng tulad nten, lalu na ngaun, crisis sa pera tlga.

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2009, 01:33:26 pm »
if ever na pumunta naman kayo at makinig...
baka may magsalita din dun na proud-to-be-drop-out
drop out pero yumaman dahil dun...

convincing pero i'd stick to my answer...NO...

kasi kung sasabihin nilang wala kang gagawin...
kasinungalingan yun...
hindi pedeng wala kang gawin para kumita ng pera sa kanila...

halimbawa na yung mga nag-yayaya sa inyo...
pag may narecruit sila...
may dagdag bayad sa kanila depende sa pangalang nailista under nila...
kung yung recruit nila ay nakapagrecruit din...additional na kita na naman...

so sa kaso ko...tumanggi ako kasi hindi ako magaling mambola...

i've seen it twice sa tita ko...
twice din silang naloko...

they keep on selling their stuffs...but they've gained nothing...
kaya hindi nagtagal ay nagquit din sila...
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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2009, 06:48:15 pm »
may nagaya n rin sakin ng ganito.. kikita ka talga.. more on mas kumikta cla sa tao kesa sa product nila.. and win win situation sa company.. ganito nag wowork ung naginvite sakin pero di ako sumama


for every recruit mo may 2k ka... pero pag nagjoin ka need mo magbyad ng 5k at the same time bibigyan ka ng product worth 3k.. so nakabenta agad cla ng 3k sau...

so ang loss mo is 5k... ang gain ng company is 5k.. tapos mag dadala ka ng recruit which is 2k... so loss ng company 2k pero maggagain cla ng 5k sa na recruit mo.. so for every tao kumikita cla ng 3k..no loss puro gain.. ngaun para magain mo ung 5k na binigay mo need mo mag recruit ng at least 3 tao.. which is babayaran ka ng 6k... pero sa 3 tao na un magbbgay ng tig 5k which is 15k.. minus mo ung 6k na binigay sau... may kita na clang 9k..

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2009, 07:42:46 pm »
Treat it as you would parang mga fad diet. Mag-ingat ka sa mga biglang yaman at biglang payat. Sa kahit anong business, hindi totoo iyung paupo-upo lang at kumikita. Kikita ka, pero para kumita ng malaki, maghahagilap ka ng contacts.

Palagay ko target talaga mga college students kasi hindi naman nagkakaiba ang spiel ng mga iyan, lalo na kung they appeal to very material things (maraming chicks yung barkada, paupo-upo lang, etc.).

Usually may hihingiin sa iyo na entrance fee o annual fee of sorts. Saka siguraduhin mo na legal iyung company. You can ask for their SEC number, their history, gaano katagal na sa business.

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2009, 08:12:28 pm »
yung mga seminar na tinatawag nila minsan may halo ng pambe-brainwash,like yun sabi ni luciel07 na may magsasabing proud to be drop out etc etc etc.. na nayon kumikita na sya ng daang libo a month,dati kasi yung pinsan ko eh masyadong na brainwash sa FLP (forever living product) halos baluktot na yung katwiran basta maka recruit lang ng tao..basta ingat lang ka lang kung sakaling sasali ka sa mga MLM (multi-level marketing)
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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2009, 09:49:49 pm »
pero you know what? incase lang makakita ka ng magandang networking.
eto nalang matip ko sayo

binary system < multilevel system.
mas ok ang multilevel.

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2009, 12:48:18 am »
Hindi maganda ang mga business na katulad nito lalo na at yung paraan ng pagkakakitaan ay yung paramihan ng makukuhang mga taong sasali at hindi yung kung gaano ka taas yung value ng produkto...

May kaklase akong ganyan din dati... pinipilit kaming sumama sa seminar daw. Mas nagexplain sya ng kikitain namin sa isang buwan kaysa sa kung ano yung produkto.
Nakita ko yung produkto, isang bag ng kape na gawa sa mushroom... tapos walang mga ingredients na nakasulat sa likuran. Kaya sabi ko  kain na lang kami, libre ko sya... kaysa sa ipamasahe ko  papunta dun sa kung saan mang seminar yun.
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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2009, 01:03:13 am »
kung masyadong malaki ang babayaran mo para makapasok sa ganyan, magingat ka

karamihan naman ng ganyan, kailangan makahanap ka ng marerecruit mo. malakas na pambait talaga ang kikita ng malaki sa maikling oras pero dapat masipag ka naman para magawa mo yan

kung may products yan, kailangan may "kakilala" ka na may proven effects nyan.

huwag ka rin maniniwala kaagad sa mga success stories na sineshare sa ganyan. assess mo muna bago ka magreact
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2009, 01:52:22 am »
if you want to be clarifications on the ethics and legalities ng mlm o multi level marketing. let me know- i'd be happy to share with you my knowlegde on this. i am a consultant on this and i go on-board every now and then on dzbb (594khz) on saturdays and talk about business models particularly multi level marketing. my advocacy is to help anynone na gustong pumasok sa mlm na hindi sila ma-iscam o maloko/makaloko. i can tell you about the DSAP (Direct Selling Association of the Phil) and DTI stand MLMs.

while i am involved as a distributor of one legal and ethical mlm company, i am not actively doing the business. i only use their products.  i have my own business on house building and i do mlm business plans.

that's all for now mga ka espiya. i have been an avid fan of this forum for a time now but this is the first time i have posted anything. couldn't resist replying as there have been quite a number of misconceptions and perceptions that taint the legality and beauty of true networking na gusto kong maitama.

salamat po at good work mga ka espiya!

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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2009, 02:10:49 am »
magbigay ka naman ng mga information sally...

kaw naman, nagplug ka na nga e hindi ka pa nagiwan ng mga impormasyon tungkol sa bagay na to...

like magstart ka ng thread ng tungkol sa mga legalities ng MLM at kung paano hindi maloloko...
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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2009, 02:17:04 am »
UNO nakaattend ako ng seminar nito sa may megamall ... pagtapos meron pang pulong pulong sa likod ata ng podium... inabot ako ng madaling araw sa paguwi

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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2009, 03:07:47 am »
ok nald, as you requested. pero sana tama na dito matuloy ang thread. kung mali, am asking the mods to guide me.

let me start with The 8-Pt test given by DSAP to help us differentiate legitimate direct seeling companies. BTW, di lang MLMs, pati Direct Selling Companies covered nito.

1.Is there a Product?
2. Are commissions paid on sale of products and not on registration/entry fees?
3. Is there iontent to sell product, not a position?
4. Is there no direct correlation between the number of recruits and compensation?
5. If recruitment were to be stopped today, will participants still make money?
6. Is there reasonable product return policy?you have
7. Do products have fair market value?
8. Is there a compelling reason to buy?

If the answer to all these questions is YES, then the company being evaluated is a legitimate company. If  you answer NO to at least one, there is a high probability that this is a pyramiding scam. While there are 8 questions to the guideline, i have noticed that there are newer companies posing as legitimate MLMs/ Investment Firms posing as legal having tweaked with the plans and making them appear legal and ethical.

I hope everyone understands that this topic is a long one and cannot be explained thoroughly sa isang sulat, even a thread na baka maka lito sa iba.

My apologies if my previous thread indicated what i do and is seen as plugging, no intentions. I can answer individual questions if you like. di ko lang alam if meron tayo ditong parang PM. again, salamat.

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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2009, 03:16:14 am »
Some additional snippets....

" Ang kumikita lang sa networking ay ang mga nasa itaas".
...  ------ Yes, this is true if we follow the right, legal and ethical principle of right networking companies na you sponsor or recruit everybody who will do the business. Meaning, magkakaroon din sila ng downlines. Ergo, lahat nasa itaas.

Binary is a business plan model of an MLM---- it is legal. while history in this industry would show na mas madaming companies na gumamit ng ganitong style, mas marami ring nagfold up. why? simply put- strategy is easier said than done. and dito mas malaking chances na owners or pioneers earn more. when there are fall outs or fold up, lahat ng kasama na di pa nakakakuha ng pairings, kahit may benta eh walang kita.

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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2009, 03:36:10 am »
sally co (sali ako) sa usapan....i remember when one of our sis-companies join DSAP, to get "network", kaso mga na-nmeet ng boss ko puro pasaway at nangtatakbo ng pera, at halos lahat gustong maka-isa...eh boss ko ganun din..:D

more info on MLM.....meaning ok lang MLM basta legal?

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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2009, 04:10:39 am »
Dark Knight...let me tell you about DSAP- not just any company can join this. kailangan by invitation. (see their website to see which companies are members). It is quite alarming na bastos at pasaway ang mga naka usap. I hope lang na may mis understanding....

okay na business model ang MLM basta tama amg pagpapatakbo. check the 8-pt test i included 1st post ko.

MLMs are actually an evolution of Direct Selling and Franchising. You work on your own time. Wala kang Boss, office space, and can choose who you want to talk to. what more can you ask. At pag maganda product at compensation plan, maliit lang ang magiging investment mo to start a business on your own. 

Pwede naman natin idiscuss dito ang mga MLMs, only i would rather na we focus not on the name of the company but rather on practices na either contradicting the 8-pt test or you find questionable. I can recommend a company but i'd rather not advertise...  thanks.

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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2009, 08:43:11 am »
may nagaya n rin sakin ng ganito.. kikita ka talga.. more on mas kumikta cla sa tao kesa sa product nila.. and win win situation sa company.. ganito nag wowork ung naginvite sakin pero di ako sumama for every recruit mo may 2k ka... pero pag nagjoin ka need mo magbyad ng 5k at the same time bibigyan ka ng product worth 3k.. so nakabenta agad cla ng 3k sau...
so ang loss mo is 5k... ang gain ng company is 5k.. tapos mag dadala ka ng recruit which is 2k... so loss ng company 2k pero maggagain cla ng 5k sa na recruit mo.. so for every tao kumikita cla ng 3k..no loss puro gain.. ngaun para magain mo ung 5k na binigay mo need mo mag recruit ng at least 3 tao.. which is babayaran ka ng 6k... pero sa 3 tao na un magbbgay ng tig 5k which is 15k.. minus mo ung 6k na binigay sau... may kita na clang 9k..

salamat sa info na to. sir pano mo namonitor ung ganitong pamamalakad nila?

ok nald, as you requested. pero sana tama na dito matuloy ang thread. kung mali, am asking the mods to guide me.

let me start with The 8-Pt test given by DSAP to help us differentiate legitimate direct seeling companies. BTW, di lang MLMs, pati Direct Selling Companies covered nito.

1.Is there a Product?
2. Are commissions paid on sale of products and not on registration/entry fees?
3. Is there iontent to sell product, not a position?
4. Is there no direct correlation between the number of recruits and compensation?
5. If recruitment were to be stopped today, will participants still make money?
6. Is there reasonable product return policy?you have
7. Do products have fair market value?
8. Is there a compelling reason to buy?


as of now, ang knowledge ko lang po dito sa market?(UNO), a big NO for numbers 2,3,4,5 and 8... sabi din ng friend ko, sa mga na research nia daw about dito, hindi malayong ma Bankrupt tong company na to pag na stop na ang recruiting. makakarating ung sisi hangang sa pioneer ng pyramid.

yung mga seminar na tinatawag nila minsan may halo ng pambe-brainwash,like yun sabi ni luciel07 na may magsasabing proud to be drop out etc etc etc.. na nayon kumikita na sya ng daang libo a month,dati kasi yung pinsan ko eh masyadong na brainwash sa FLP (forever living product) halos baluktot na yung katwiran basta maka recruit lang ng tao..basta ingat lang ka lang kung sakaling sasali ka sa mga MLM (multi-level marketing)

uu nga sir, may mga time pa nga daw na may magpapakita na receipt na nakabili ng kotse, nakabili na ganyan, ganon, etc.. na aawa nman ako sa wala pang knowledge about dito, lalo na ung mga desperate kumita ng pera ngaun.

if you want to be clarifications on the ethics and legalities ng mlm o multi level marketing. let me know- i'd be happy to share with you my knowlegde on this. i am a consultant on this and i go on-board every now and then on dzbb (594khz) on saturdays and talk about business models particularly multi level marketing. my advocacy is to help anynone na gustong pumasok sa mlm na hindi sila ma-iscam o maloko/makaloko. i can tell you about the DSAP (Direct Selling Association of the Phil) and DTI stand MLMs.

while i am involved as a distributor of one legal and ethical mlm company, i am not actively doing the business. i only use their products.  i have my own business on house building and i do mlm business plans.

that's all for now mga ka espiya. i have been an avid fan of this forum for a time now but this is the first time i have posted anything. couldn't resist replying as there have been quite a number of misconceptions and perceptions that taint the legality and beauty of true networking na gusto kong maitama.

salamat po at good work mga ka espiya!

Maraming Salamat po. Kung ok lang po ba dito na po tau mag share? para na rin po ma educate po ang tulad ko at ang mga co-Espiya nten  ;) Salamat po Uli

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2009, 12:11:29 pm »
Indeed, multi level marketing is just a business strategy to market a product.  Ang problema lang ay napakaraming mga nagmamagaling na police officers at bureacrats na hindi naman nakakaintindi ng komersyo who thinks agad na "scam" ang mga ito.

The 8-points test as written by Ms. Sally is enlightening. We can all use it as a guide whenever there is an approach to undertake some "investments" or "marketing" of certain consumer items or financial plans.

Dun naman sa mga gustong kumita dahil kinakapos or walang budget, read a lot to get business ideas and be an enterpreneur instead. 

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2009, 04:50:42 am »
maganda nagiging flow ng thread- enlightening, eye-opener, encouraging or inviting sa iba. bottomline is right information is the key. di ba sabi nga ni benjamin franklin - if my memory serves me right--- " if you think education is expensive, try ignorance".

there are alot of MLMs or posing to be legitimate MLM companies out there-- only our due diligence and instinct can say whether we should join or not. pero mga ka espiya, lalo na yung mga nag iisip pumasok sa ganitong linya, don't be dis-heartened. Some well known universities here and abroad offer MLM courses/units in their curriculum. MLM is good and here to stay. 

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Re: Quesition Pyramiding
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2009, 08:38:37 am »
ah...buti pala tumanggi ako...
hindi ko talaga sila maintindihan eh...

salamat sa info sally co...
kapatid ba kita?  laffman::
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