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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2016, 02:07:46 pm »
they will be used only to counter china if we are left with no other recourse but to use them defend ourselves...

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2016, 08:38:02 pm »
 Yes  laffman::

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2016, 08:45:19 am »
Yes  laffman::

Do you understand what a LIFT aircraft is?

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2016, 01:12:29 am »
Lol! Acording to this article its an "interim" fighter.

http://www.mb.com.ph/newly-acquired-fa-50phs-equipped-with-airborne-radar/

"It will act as the country’s interim fighter until the Philippines get enough experience on operating fast jet assets and money to fund the acquisition of more capable fighter aircraft."

Again, fa-50 is first and foremost, a LIFT (lead-in fighter TRAINER). Please read more about this kind of aircraft so you could better understand its true purpose.. Dont rely too much on local mainstream meeja. Often they cant even tell the difference between an APC and a Tank.

Yes, but the article still confirms that they were purchased to counter China.

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2016, 01:38:06 am »
Yes, but the article still confirms that they were purchased to counter China.


Wag kasi maniwala agad sa local meeja especially when it comes to military equipment. A LIFT fighter is not a direct counter to the numerous aircrafts and ships ng China. Anong gagawin ng dalawang pirasong KAI FA 50 laban sa 73 na Su-30 MKK ng China. Ang LIFT trainers ay binibili para may comparable na training platform in preparation for MRFs. That way di masayang ang flight hours ng dedicated na mga fighter planes.

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2016, 01:56:17 am »
Yes, but the article still confirms that they were purchased to counter China.

WHAT? "DUTERTE SAID" isnt anyway confirming anything
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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2016, 12:29:25 am »
Wag kasi maniwala agad sa local meeja especially when it comes to military equipment. A LIFT fighter is not a direct counter to the numerous aircrafts and ships ng China. Anong gagawin ng dalawang pirasong KAI FA 50 laban sa 73 na Su-30 MKK ng China. Ang LIFT trainers ay binibili para may comparable na training platform in preparation for MRFs. That way di masayang ang flight hours ng dedicated na mga fighter planes.

But it wasn't the media that gave the reason for the purchase.


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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2016, 12:30:37 am »
WHAT? "DUTERTE SAID" isnt anyway confirming anything

It was the PAF that gave the reason for the purchase. More details in the article.


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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2016, 07:03:03 am »
It was the PAF that gave the reason for the purchase. More details in the article.

Ive read the article though.... Doesnt mention PAF's reason.
The other link posted says that "It will act as the country’s interim fighter
Read more at http://www.mb.com.ph/newly-acquired-fa-50phs-equipped-with-airborne-radar/#MZ7eRLck7XUUxxX9.99"

China is a nuclear capable country tho..
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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2016, 11:20:16 am »
the reason is that it will act as an interim fighter until such time our pilots are trained to handle more sophisticated planes... is that not enough reason... we all know our pilots don't have enough experience yet... but at the same time, it can be used as a 1st line of defense if really needed...

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2016, 06:21:31 am »
Ive read the article though.... Doesnt mention PAF's reason.
The other link posted says that "It will act as the country’s interim fighter
Read more at http://www.mb.com.ph/newly-acquired-fa-50phs-equipped-with-airborne-radar/#MZ7eRLck7XUUxxX9.99"

China is a nuclear capable country tho..

Paragraph 11: "It will act as..."


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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2016, 11:47:28 am »
Paragraph 11: "It will act as..."

Youre basing on one article. Have you studied the fa-50?

Again and again and again. ITS A LIFT!!!!! No one in their right mind will buy a LIFT aircraft for the purpose of going against air superiority fighters.. Its true purpose is to train. To return the PAF to the supersonic fighter age. Not to go toe to toe with Chinese aircrafts.

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2016, 04:36:26 am »
Itong si duterte kasi malakas lang mamilosopo.. in 3-6 months tanggal krimen sa pilipinas? kalokohan.. sa davao years ang itinagal madami pa ding drugs at krimen.. nakakatakot baka yang billiones na yan ipamudmod nya lang sa kanyang mga MILF REBELDE.. Don't you know guys nung hinuhuli si Nur Misuari ka meeting niya sina Binay at Duterte sa Davao.

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2016, 08:18:31 am »
lahat ng dutertard dito may tililing sa ulo lahat yan wahahahahaha

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2016, 12:20:10 pm »
Itong si duterte kasi malakas lang mamilosopo.. in 3-6 months tanggal krimen sa pilipinas? kalokohan.. sa davao years ang itinagal madami pa ding drugs at krimen.. nakakatakot baka yang billiones na yan ipamudmod nya lang sa kanyang mga MILF REBELDE.. Don't you know guys nung hinuhuli si Nur Misuari ka meeting niya sina Binay at Duterte sa Davao.

a substantial drop in crime will be good in the first half if ever... let's face it, everybody knows this is not feasible...

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2016, 01:05:29 am »
Youre basing on one article. Have you studied the fa-50?

Again and again and again. ITS A LIFT!!!!! No one in their right mind will buy a LIFT aircraft for the purpose of going against air superiority fighters.. Its true purpose is to train. To return the PAF to the supersonic fighter age. Not to go toe to toe with Chinese aircrafts.

Again, the FA-50 is meant to counter China because it will be used as an interim fighter against that country. If not, then what other opponent did you have in mind?

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2016, 10:17:38 am »
Again, the FA-50 is meant to counter China because it will be used as an interim fighter against that country. If not, then what other opponent did you have in mind?

Do you even understand the meaning of the word "interim"? It means "temporary". Sa tagalog "pansamantala". And it will be used as such only because we dont have any other choice. Its the only "fighter" we have right now. So even if it was not intended to be used as a primary fighter aircraft, when shit hits the pan, what choice do we have?

It was never meant as a counter to anyone. Again its first and foremost a LIFT.. The ability to go toe to toe with other nations MRF were never part of the aquisition requirements. In fact, the original plan was for the ta-50 (fa-50 is only an upgraded ta-50). And if you would only take time and study the fa-50, you'll understand how big a disadvantage it will have if pitted against a true MRF. As I've said, no one in their right mind will choose to buy such an aircraft if the goal is to "counter" other nations.

Its purpose is to train. To return the PAF to the fighter age. To prepare the PAF and stablish a pool of qualified pilots for future  acquisition of "real" mrf  that can really fight..

I will repeat again, it was never meant to fight anyone. Why else do you think they are based in subic/clark and not in puerto princesa where they can better patrol and protect the WPS and are more likely to encounter the chinese?
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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2016, 04:03:07 am »
Do you even understand the meaning of the word "interim"? It means "temporary". Sa tagalog "pansamantala". And it will be used as such only because we dont have any other choice. Its the only "fighter" we have right now. So even if it was not intended to be used as a primary fighter aircraft, when shit hits the pan, what choice do we have?

It was never meant as a counter to anyone. Again its first and foremost a LIFT.. The ability to go toe to toe with other nations MRF were never part of the aquisition requirements. In fact, the original plan was for the ta-50 (fa-50 is only an upgraded ta-50). And if you would only take time and study the fa-50, you'll understand how big a disadvantage it will have if pitted against a true MRF. As I've said, no one in their right mind will choose to buy such an aircraft if the goal is to "counter" other nations.

Its purpose is to train. To return the PAF to the fighter age. To prepare the PAF and stablish a pool of qualified pilots for future  acquisition of "real" mrf  that can really fight..

I will repeat again, it was never meant to fight anyone. Why else do you think they are based in subic/clark and not in puerto princesa where they can better patrol and protect the WPS and are more likely to encounter the chinese?

The word "counter" refers to anything used for intercepting fighters, acting as an interim vehicle, or as a trainer. If the planes are not supposed to counter China, then what are they supposed to counter?

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2016, 07:46:12 am »
The word "counter" refers to anything used for intercepting fighters, acting as an interim vehicle, or as a trainer. If the planes are not supposed to counter China, then what are they supposed to counter?

If they are meant to counter china then why havent they done so?

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2016, 11:00:10 am »
If they are meant to counter china then why havent they done so?

i think because we are not ready yet... but if china once again tries to capture another island then i think the afp will make a move already....

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2016, 11:30:36 pm »
i think because we are not ready yet... but if china once again tries to capture another island then i think the afp will make a move already....

Exactly. Thats the purpose of the FA-50. To helps us "get ready". I dont understand why that other guy keep on insisting that it "to counter china". If that were the case then the PAF should be buzzing Chinise ships by now.

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2016, 05:59:34 am »
If they are meant to counter china then why havent they done so?

They have started: the aircraft are meant to operate as trainers and interim fighters to counter China.

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2016, 06:00:59 am »
Exactly. Thats the purpose of the FA-50. To helps us "get ready". I dont understand why that other guy keep on insisting that it "to counter china". If that were the case then the PAF should be buzzing Chinise ships by now.

Part of countering China means getting ready to use fighters that will be purchased in the future. Otherwise, the aircraft are meant to counter another threat.

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2016, 08:04:06 pm »
Part of countering China means getting ready to use fighters that will be purchased in the future. Otherwise, the aircraft are meant to counter another threat.

You can argue that the fa-50 is part of the equation to counter china. Indeed its a step towards that direction. Still the fact remains the the fa-50 ITSELF is never meant to counter any other nation. Its intended purpose is to train pilots.

But if the next administration will not support the AFP modernization, for the lack of any other choice then the fa-50 will be used as our primary fighter aircraft.

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Re: Duterte calls new fighter jets ‘waste of money’
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2016, 08:40:15 am »
Jet ski lang katapat ng chinese