Topic: how to build a gaming pc / 3d stuff in the future ( pros help )

[note2]

Hi guys , Gusto ako mag build ng new pc. Currently my macbook air 2011 ako 13 inch i5. Ok naman siya except when it comes to running games, d talaga kaya.

I'm a graphic designer and maybe someday I want to try 3d editing. At the same time I want to play the latest games and futureproof my pc.

So tanong ko lang , if given two setup ranges sa budget.  Including windows 8

a. 30,000 below

b. 60,000 below

Ano ma recommend nyo ?

Advisable din b ang ssd?

Amd is ok b or is intel better ?


Nabasa ko ito sa ign >>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJx-C0-uL8c

[Dairycow]

if your budget range is 60k. i think an i5/i7 rig with ssd is a good way to go sir.

[bodieph]

SSD is ok, fast disk write/read compared to regular SATA, BUT SSD lifetimes are usually lower than the regular SATA hard drive (SSDs are limited to a certain number of write cycles)

if the speed is not an issue for you or if you need more space, then a regular SATA HDD would be more suitable

as for processor, if you are going to be doing 3d editing, then intel should be the choice since most of the 3d software can take advantage of hyper threading

although to futureproof your computer especially when it comes to gaming and 3d editing, baka kulang pa yang 60K budget (my i5 rig took me a couple of months to buy all the parts and siguro abutin na ng mga 70K ang gastos - and this was early 2012 pa)

more or less ganito magiging budget mo para at least kahit mga 2 years old na kaya pa rin ang mag latest games
processor - 8-10k
CPU cooler - 3k-5k
board - 5-10k
video card - 10K
hard drive SSD - 10k (120GB-250GB)
hard drive SATA - 5k-7k (1TB-3TB)
PSU - 5k (above 700W for future proofing since over time PSU capacity degrades)
RAM - 2k-4k (8-16GB)
casing - 3k (yung medyo maluwang para hindi mainit at tumagal ang mga components)
monitor - 10-20k (23inches or higher - IPS if you want clearer image, TN for 3D)

[Master Dave]

Kung sa 3d rendering, go for an Nvidia card.. Marami sa mga rendering methods like ray tracing and Blender Cycles ang gumagamit ng CUDA, pati After Effects and Premiere nau-utilize din yun.. And go for more RAM or use a second SSD for caching..

[Idiot]

mahirap tanong mo pre

kase buying now at iisipin mo yung na ang latest nagkakamali ka

2-4 years magiging obsolete na ang nabili mong pc your 60k will turn to 40-30k or less after 2 years

but kung may pera ka naman at sahod mo e 100k a month go for the 60k i7 processor ginagamit sa mga HD movies at movie editing

SSD mababa lang ang capacity ng SSD eventhough mabilis pero kukulanagan ka sa capacity at mahal kaysa sa SATA makakabali kana ata ng 1TB SATA sa presyo ng 60GB and above na SSD common na ginagamit ito sa mga ultra thin notebook

hintay ka sa mga AMD fans dito Intel kame

Windows 8 hintay ka muna pero kung compatible naman ang mga gagamitin mong software mag-8 ka pero kung hindi mag 7 ka muna

[note2]

Thanks sa input guys. Na realize ko if I go full 3d etc , although it's nice but ung software is another problem kasi mahal.


Kc sa youtube manga prices sa gaming rigs nila manga around 1000 - 1500 usd okai na daw yun but based sa quotes nyo dito around 50 - 70.

With regards sa i5 processor, mas maganda pa ung ivy bridge kaysa sa sandy right or small improvement lang ( not talking of graphical improvement ) ? magkano difference  in price ?. Sa june e release ang haswell and according to rumors 40 percent more ( correct me if im wrong ) in the graphics category kaysa ivy so you think I should wait sa june?

Experience ko sa core i5 sandy bridge and ssd, it's blazing fast. Madali talaga mag surf open apps and so on dito sa macbook air. Ung problem lang is dealing with large resolutions kasi nag hang ng konti but other than that, ok naman. Kasi mostly screen design ako. But I would want to try more advance techniques or bigger resolutions.

So ganito guys.

If i buy an i5 , tapos ung ivy or ung bago this june.

Videocard depende if maganda ung haswell , but if not ano mura and maganda. Games I really want to play >

Diablo 3

Starcraft 2

League of Legends

Minecraft - with sonic shaders and water effects ( ganda talaga tignan if ma enable , I highly recommend you guys play kasi magawa mo almost anything , i tried changing the textures before and ma customize mo talaga lahat.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNy_CC35PIo   <<< manga bahay ni keralis , na activate ang sonic ether shader ( sunlight, shadows ) tapos i think ung leaves pwede din mag move. D kaya sa air ko lol.

I also highly recommend this >

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pizhFrNwsl4

<< yan talaga goal ko ma achieve sa dream pc ko, to run all plugins etc and play this game without any problems.

RAM - I think 16gb is already enough.

SSD or HD - If SSD can help performance , then ok but if small difference lang, HD is fine. 1TB is enough for me, actually 512 ideal sa akin. Files ko around 70 mb lang.

Software - Windows 8

With regards sa question ko about amd graphics cards or processors. It's cheaper sa intel but is it better ?

And let's say 2 years from now, may bago processor that is so fast, yung manga existing boards pwede ba maka handle ng future processors ? or graphic cards ?

[pix]

try these builds posted in this forum.. i went for the 50k build and will get everything by march.. 

[warak2006]

there's really no future-proofing your PC now. as mentioned, typically between 2-4 years lang ang lifetime ng isang computer. my general principle with tech is buy cheap and replace every 1-2 years rather than buy expensive and replace every 5-6 years.

But if your going to assemble a PC, there are things to buy cheap and things worth splurging on.

Things not to splurge on:
Mobo/Proc/Mem

Why :
It's better to buy mid-end with these parts because that is where you get the most bang/buck. And, these things change a lot, so you typically have to replace all when replacing one part (i.e. DDR3-DDR4, socket considerations). As I said, it's better to replace these parts every 2 years rather than buying the current top-end at exorbitant prices.


Things to splurge on:
Case & Monitor

Why:
These things last a long time. There is really no reason to replace these two unless they break.

Drives
Why: I doubt version 4 of SATA will come out any time soon. HDDs are never going to saturate SATA3 and SSDs are not even close yet. Get a 240GB SSD and a 2TB HDD, and you're pretty much set. Don't bother about the lifetime of SSDs. From what I've heard, current SSDs have about 3000 p/e cycles before it dies. It seems very low at first glance. But based on personal experience, I am only able to consume roughly 1 p/e cycle every month. Even if you are a much heavier user than I am and use up 10 p/e cycles every month, you still get around 300 months or more than 20 years.

Video Card
Why: With the video card, I',m a bit split since new and improved versions come out all the time. But, you don't necessarily have to replace it when you upgrade your proc/mobo/mem. And in gaming, a great video card is better than a great processor in most cases.

[note2]

there's really no future-proofing your PC now. as mentioned, typically between 2-4 years lang ang lifetime ng isang computer. my general principle with tech is buy cheap and replace every 1-2 years rather than buy expensive and replace every 5-6 years.

But if your going to assemble a PC, there are things to buy cheap and things worth splurging on.

Things not to splurge on:
Mobo/Proc/Mem

Why :
It's better to buy mid-end with these parts because that is where you get the most bang/buck. And, these things change a lot, so you typically have to replace all when replacing one part (i.e. DDR3-DDR4, socket considerations). As I said, it's better to replace these parts every 2 years rather than buying the current top-end at exorbitant prices.


Things to splurge on:
Case & Monitor

Why:
These things last a long time. There is really no reason to replace these two unless they break.

Drives
Why: I doubt version 4 of SATA will come out any time soon. HDDs are never going to saturate SATA3 and SSDs are not even close yet. Get a 240GB SSD and a 2TB HDD, and you're pretty much set. Don't bother about the lifetime of SSDs. From what I've heard, current SSDs have about 3000 p/e cycles before it dies. It seems very low at first glance. But based on personal experience, I am only able to consume roughly 1 p/e cycle every month. Even if you are a much heavier user than I am and use up 10 p/e cycles every month, you still get around 300 months or more than 20 years.

Video Card
Why: With the video card, I',m a bit split since new and improved versions come out all the time. But, you don't necessarily have to replace it when you upgrade your proc/mobo/mem. And in gaming, a great video card is better than a great processor in most cases.

[note2]

Thanks for the tips bro. So you're saying for the motherboard , a 2010 motherboard cannot house new processors / ram etc? Correct ?

As for case and monitor, yes your right , cases haven't changed that much. As for monitor, I still have my old monitor. It works except it doesn't have a base anymore since the "neck" that connects both the screen and base has been damaged.

Mouse keyboard I can settle with ordinary for now.

Based on your idea sir, can you tell me which brands and their price estimates ? And you think this setup will run most games? like the ones I mentioned above?

there's really no future-proofing your PC now. as mentioned, typically between 2-4 years lang ang lifetime ng isang computer. my general principle with tech is buy cheap and replace every 1-2 years rather than buy expensive and replace every 5-6 years.

But if your going to assemble a PC, there are things to buy cheap and things worth splurging on.

Things not to splurge on:
Mobo/Proc/Mem

Why :
It's better to buy mid-end with these parts because that is where you get the most bang/buck. And, these things change a lot, so you typically have to replace all when replacing one part (i.e. DDR3-DDR4, socket considerations). As I said, it's better to replace these parts every 2 years rather than buying the current top-end at exorbitant prices.


Things to splurge on:
Case & Monitor

Why:
These things last a long time. There is really no reason to replace these two unless they break.

Drives
Why: I doubt version 4 of SATA will come out any time soon. HDDs are never going to saturate SATA3 and SSDs are not even close yet. Get a 240GB SSD and a 2TB HDD, and you're pretty much set. Don't bother about the lifetime of SSDs. From what I've heard, current SSDs have about 3000 p/e cycles before it dies. It seems very low at first glance. But based on personal experience, I am only able to consume roughly 1 p/e cycle every month. Even if you are a much heavier user than I am and use up 10 p/e cycles every month, you still get around 300 months or more than 20 years.

Video Card
Why: With the video card, I',m a bit split since new and improved versions come out all the time. But, you don't necessarily have to replace it when you upgrade your proc/mobo/mem. And in gaming, a great video card is better than a great processor in most cases.

[note2]

warak, can you give me a price quote on the system you're mentioning please. I read from the other thread and I also watched a video on the difference of a core i5 vs amd processor running sleeping dogs.

Let's say isang setup 30k and the other 40k

Take out keyboard , mouse kc manga standard ones lang piliin ko. I have an existing monitor but it still works.

[warak2006]

pasensya na. I can't give solid advices on exact parts. it's been more than 6 years since I last assembled a desktop. I've been using a laptop since then because I need portability. All I can do is give you advice on what will last for a long time and what you will need replacing in a few years. Just get the biggest SSD and HDD you can get, 8GB RAM, and a decent case. With the processor, the i5 2500 seems popular. Maybe you should go with the more recent i5 3550. I'm not really sure, so sana mag suggest din ang ibangs members. With the VC, there's really too many and I can't give you a clear answer since hindi naman ako sigurado. 

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