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RA 9372 also known as "Human Security Act of 2007"
« on: August 04, 2007, 08:46:49 pm »
dun sa mga nakabasa na ng batas na 'to! anung masasabi nyo?
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Re: RA 9372 also known as "Human Security Act of 2007"
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2007, 09:05:05 pm »
dude, explain mo muna kung ano ang nilalaman ng RA 9372.. di sila makakapagcomment without knowledge of it..   ;D

On topic:

agree ako dun sa Sec. 4 na "Conspiracy to Commit Terrorism", dapat talaga parusahan ung mga mastermind ng krimen, hindi lang ung mga involved sa crime itself..

agree din ako sa Sec. 9, "The law allows the Department of Justice to petition the courts to judicially declare any organization or group of persons organized to commit terrorism as terrorist and outlawed organizations.” If they committed an act of terrorism, automatic na un na i-consider sila as terrorists as a warning to civilians to stay away from them..

disagree ako sa Sec. 7, Warrant of surveillance to accused criminals.. kahit di ka guilty, under surveillance ka pa rin..

disagree ako sa Sec. 8, Warrant of surveillance as prevention to a crime.. kahit accused ka pa lang of planning a crime, kahit hindi pa nangyayari ang crime, pwede ka nilang manmanan..

disagree din ako sa Sec. 18, which authorizes “detention without judicial warrant of arrest.”  Ibig sabihin nito, may isang group lang ng mga tao, called the Anti-Terrorism Council composed of Cabinet Officials, na pwedeng magpadampot ng kahit sinong gusto nilang ipakulong kahit walang arrest warrant.. lagot na ang mga oposisyon ngayon..  gun::

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Re: RA 9372 also known as "Human Security Act of 2007"
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2007, 10:23:58 pm »
umm hindi pag "accused" na eh may proper information na?   iba kc yung suspect pa lng sa accused na sa court diba?

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Re: RA 9372 also known as "Human Security Act of 2007"
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2007, 03:12:49 am »
master dave, un ang suggestion mo sa sec.4. ito naman tanung ko sau. if you are a member of any organization that conspire to commit terrorism o isa man sa mga member nyo. as a whole org. pati member damay. ilan na bang org. nasalihan mo since elem-highschool-college? dba marami na? nagresign kba as member of your org? dba ndi rin? panu kpg ung org. mo nung college accused as terrorist? san ka kya pupulutin? ???
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Re: RA 9372 also known as "Human Security Act of 2007"
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2007, 03:23:34 am »
master dave, un ang suggestion mo sa sec.4. ito naman tanung ko sau. if you are a member of any organization that conspire to commit terrorism o isa man sa mga member nyo. as a whole org. pati member damay. ilan na bang org. nasalihan mo since elem-highschool-college? dba marami na? nagresign kba as member of your org? dba ndi rin? panu kpg ung org. mo nung college accused as terrorist? san ka kya pupulutin? ???

SEC. 4. Conspiracy to Commit Terrorism. – Persons who conspire to commit the crime of terrorism shall suffer the penalty of forty (40) years of imprisonment.
There is conspiracy when two or more persons come to an agreement concerning the commission of the crime of terrorism as defined in Section 3 hereof and decide to commit the same.

Kung di ka naman kasali sa pagpaplano ng act of terrorism, just a member of the said organization, then you are safe.. unless merong magtestify na kasali ka nga kahit hindi..

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Re: RA 9372 also known as "Human Security Act of 2007"
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2007, 06:07:59 am »
your not safe either amigo! as a member kasali ka, weder my mgtestify o wala. basahin mo ng buo ung RA 9372 para mas maliwanagan ka.
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2007, 06:22:38 am »
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SEC. 5. Accomplice. – Any person who, not being a principal under Article 17 of the Revised Penal Code or a conspirator as defined in Section 4 hereof, cooperates in the execution of either the crime of terrorism or conspiracy to commit terrorism by previous or simultaneous acts shall suffer the penalty of from seventeen (17) years, four (4) months one day to twenty (20) years of imprisonment.

kailangan pa rin ng indirect involvement sa crime

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SEC. 6. Accessory. – Any person who, having knowledge of the commission of the crime of terrorism or conspiracy to commit terrorism, and without having participated therein, either as principal or accomplice under Articles 17 and 18 of the Revised Penal Code, takes part subsequent to its commission in any of the following manner: (a) by profiting himself or assisting the offender to profit by the effects of the crime; (b) by concealing or destroying the body of the crime, or the effects, or instruments thereof, in order to prevent its discovery; (c) by harboring, concealing, or assisting in the escape of the principal or conspirator of the crime, shall suffer the penalty of ten (10) years and one day to twelve (12) years of imprisonment.

again, indirect involvement to the crime..

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Notwithstanding the above paragraph, the penalties prescribed for accessories shall not be imposed upon those who are such with respect to their spouses, ascendants, descendants, legitimate, natural, and adopted brothers and sisters, or relatives by affinity within the same degrees, with the single exception of accessories falling within the provisions of subparagraph (a).

at least your family is safe  ;D

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SEC. 17. Proscription of Terrorist Organizations, Association, or Group of Persons. – Any organization, association, or group of persons organized for the purpose of engaging in terrorism, or which, although not organized for that purpose, actually uses the acts to terrorize mentioned in this Act or to sow and create a condition of widespread and extraordinary fear and panic among the populace in order to coerce the government to give in to an unlawful demand shall, upon application of the Department of Justice before a competent Regional Trial Court, with due notice and opportunity to be heard given to the organization, association, or group of persons concerned, be declared as a terrorist and outlawed organization, association, or group of persons by the said Regional Trial Court.

such groups shall be blacklisted as 'terrorist groups', but no punishment shall be made to non-offenders..

*** hindi ko nabasa lahat, paki-state na lang kung saan part sinasabi na basta kasali sa isang org ay pwede nilang arestuhin ng walang basis kundi ang affinity lamang nya sa isang blacklisted group.. (Except for Sec. 18, dahil ang Anti-Terrorist Council ang magdedecide nun, according to what they think is right..)

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Re: RA 9372 also known as "Human Security Act of 2007"
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2007, 08:48:18 am »
some sections are still debatable. bat kaya pinasa na eh alam naman nila na the people lose some of their rights...
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Re: RA 9372 also known as "Human Security Act of 2007"
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2007, 01:48:48 pm »
HSA ay isang pamamaraan ng undeclared Martial Law!Do we really need that,sino ba talaga ang tunay na terrorista?
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Re: RA 9372 also known as "Human Security Act of 2007"
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2007, 08:04:41 pm »
I believe their are issues/points that are debatable. It needs further scrutiny & thorough review because this law is prone to abuse specially people who have interests, whether personal or political in nature.


nice topic.......

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Re: RA 9372 also known as "Human Security Act of 2007"
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2007, 10:37:24 pm »
sau na mismo nanggaling na indirect involvement sa crime. it only means that "any person" lahat ng tao pdeng maging terrorista kung ggus2hin ng authoridad. kc kahit member ka lang at wala kang alam sa gngawa ng org. mo, madaling sabihin na "as a member of the said organization, you have a knowledge of the commission of the crime of terrorism". kahit na alam mong wla kang alam.

halimbawa si jonas burgos na isa lamang aktibista. dinukot cya ng ndi pa nakikilalang mga tao. mssbi ba nating kidnap un? o bnabawasan lang ang mga kalaban ng gobyerno dahil sa HSA? legal na ang dating i-legal. kahit cnu pdeng hulihin dahil sa HSA. kahit wlang ebidencya laban sa isang tao pde cyang hulihin at sa anung kaso? CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT TERRORISM. anung mga ebidencya? WALA PA! KAYA KULONG KA MUNA. kpg meron na? DITO KA SA MILITAR AT PAPATAYIN KA NA.

ung family mo lang ang safe at ikaw ndi kc accessories ka as prescribed by law but the penalties against to you should not be imposed to your family. kaya nga nakalagay NOTWITHSTANDING.
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