Topic: Usapang EJK:Here's one crazy drug addict. Now, imagine there's 3 million of this

[A7x]

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This is the scenario that no one understand but the common Filipino people. And when we demanded for a change to keep us and our family safe, the oligarchs, CHR, CBCP, UN and westerners condemn us. I'm not hoping for them to experience what that kid experienced but at least Lord open their minds and hearts. We may not be wealthy and we are not into competition of who's who in this world...all we are just asking is fair government, safe and healthy life and promising future for our kids.

[marskingdom20]

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[TobleRONe]

eto isang magandang argument din dyan:

http://www.philstar.com/nation/2016/09/26/1627294/4-cops-sacked-over-ofws-slay

[dweizz]

Next time. Patayin din kita lagyan kita shabu sa bulsa. Payag ka? Blind dutertrolls. Rule of man na at hindi rule of law gusto mo?

then held those cops liable... next question?

[etong]

Next time. Patayin din kita lagyan kita shabu sa bulsa. Payag ka? Blind dutertrolls. Rule of man na at hindi rule of law gusto mo?

I acknowledge may nagpaplant talaga ng ebidensya. Pero hindi lahat. Bago pa man sa administradyon ni duterte old news na yung may nagpaplant basta may mga gagong pulis parin na in power. Mas bulag ka kung pinapaniwalaan mong lahat ng biktima na napatay sa drug war ay sinetup lang. His orders are clear, watch all his speeches. If the suspects are endangering your life, kill them instead. Ang naririnig nyo lang ata is "kill them". Ngayon responsibilidad na ng pulis kung gago sya at papatayin nalang ng walang laban ang mga suspect nila.

Fyi din pala iniimbestigahan din ang mga pulis for every operation na may napapatay sila, watch mo yung mga first hearings on ejk kung di ka naniniwala may mga nakakasuhan din sa mga unlawful actions ng pulis at napaparusahan. Kaya nga tingin ko nagswitch nalang sila kay matobato para madiscredit nalang ang current administration. Which is so far a failure.

[bigbanggoo]

There are basically 2 kinds of pinoys right now.

1) Those who are happy to see thousands of smalltime drug users die at a fast rate even at the expense of a few dead innocents.
2) Those who want due process even if it means a slower drug war if it means insuring no corrupt cop can use the opportunity to kill innocents.

Arguably most dutertards fall on number 1.

[rodeo]

Statistically kasi ang dami ng napapatay at lahat sinasabing lumaban. Nung   ngg mayor nd  davao si DU30 tumaas ang napapatay either by pulis or dds daw. Tapos ngayon buong Pilipinas tumaas ang napapatay at EJK nung siya na Presidente.

Ang daming EJK na nangyari pero alang nahuhuling suspek hindi ba nagmumukhang inutil naman ang pulis.

Ayos na hulihan ang drug lords pati na drug addict. Pero ang nakakatakot kasi meron killing /salvage pero hindi pulis ang gumawa. Anu ginagawa ng mga pulis para mahuli itong mga ito...

[etong]

Statistically kasi ang dami ng napapatay at lahat sinasabing lumaban. Nung   ngg mayor nd  davao si DU30 tumaas ang napapatay either by pulis or dds daw. Tapos ngayon buong Pilipinas tumaas ang napapatay at EJK nung siya na Presidente.

Ang daming EJK na nangyari pero alang nahuhuling suspek hindi ba nagmumukhang inutil naman ang pulis.

Ayos na hulihan ang drug lords pati na drug addict. Pero ang nakakatakot kasi meron killing /salvage pero hindi pulis ang gumawa. Anu ginagawa ng mga pulis para mahuli itong mga ito...

Well kung statistics ang paguusapan. Sobrang baba ng total "ejk" incidents na kahit isama pa yung under investigation cases kung ikukumpara sa total arrests(no deaths). Also, the number of deaths where relatively equal lang dun sa past administration according to the statistics. The numbers were shown sa ejk hearings if you want to check for yourself.

Nakafocus kasi masyado dun sa deaths check nyo naman yung total numbers. Be fair lang when you conclude things.

For example lang. Si trillanes on the watch question,  concluded na agad na di na mapagkakatiwalaan sya na witness. Pero pag si matobato kahit ilan lapses or pagiba ng istorya, binibgyan parin ng benefit of the doubt. Hes judging from one side only. Thats how most people who are against ejk issues view this incidents as well. May mabalita lang na may lokong pulis na nagplant/salvage concluded na lahat or mostly ganun na ginagawa. Nakalean na agad kayo sa bad side if things.

[gilaete]

Sa totoo lng? May tiwala ako kay Duterte pero wala akong tiwala gaano sa "ibang" mga pulis . Magaadjust nalang siguro ako, dati may mga ruta akong di dinaraanan dahil baka maholdap ako o ano, pero ngayon magkukulong nlng ako sa bahay bahala silang magpatayan hahahaha tragis yan mahirap tlaga maging mahirap.

[naruto789544]

this is again another topic of are you with du30 or against him...

[etong]

this is again another topic of are you with du30 or against him...

Parang ganun na nga. Every incident kasi si duterte laging dawit kahit hindi na sya directly involved.

Nothing new, ganun din naman last administration with the "kasalanan to ni pnoy" mentality ng ibang tao. Always looking for someone to blame. Nakakalungkot sa totoo lang.

[yonipspy]

puro kasi negative ang pinapansin.
 (discuss nyu naman yung positive side lalo na sa mga accomplishment nya for 100days palang)

kaya walang asenso negative agad nasa isip

[subicboy]

di ba nga ang sabi nya bago mag-election, magiging madugo ang laban sa droga, kaming mga bomoto sa kanya, gusto namin dumanak ang dugo ng mga pushers PAG LUMABAN sila..uulitin ko L U M A B A N

Mahirap na pusher man yan o mayaman basta lumaban, PATAYIN, tadtarin ng bala, un bang hindi na mkikilala. Sinisira na nga ang mga tao gamit ang droga nila, magtatangka pa sila pumatay ng pulis. 

[bigbanggoo]

puro kasi negative ang pinapansin.
 (discuss nyu naman yung positive side lalo na sa mga accomplishment nya for 100days palang)

kaya walang asenso negative agad nasa isip

Ganun talaga naoovershadow kasi nang mas madaming negative yung mga positive e.

[naruto789544]

here's the question that will  define what's really happening...

"do you feel safer in the streets now particularly in the evening???"

your guess is as good as mine...

[bigbanggoo]

I actually feel the same. I live in a neighbor hood where the likelihood of getting robbed by criminals has not changed.

[rodeo]

Well kung statistics ang paguusapan. Sobrang baba ng total "ejk" incidents na kahit isama pa yung under investigation cases kung ikukumpara sa total arrests(no deaths). Also, the number of deaths where relatively equal lang dun sa past administration according to the statistics. The numbers were shown sa ejk hearings if you want to check for yourself.

well sagutin ko lang ito... apple to apple ang comparison dapat ejk  ngayon within the past 3 months to ejk  noon last year of the same month to see talaga kung meron or walang pinagbago  or tumaas talaga... para masabi kung meron increase or wala depende kasi kung saan angle mo siya titingnan. Numbers can always be manipulated kaya mas maganda may nakalatag lagi na point of referrence. Yun sa  EJK hearing kasi ang pinaki dun ay pagbaba ng total crime like rape, holdap etc... Remember din na meron ibang pulis precint hindi naglilista ng EJK kaya kapag pinakita ang media tally at police report hindi magkaparehas. Like yun hinuli na OFW na nakita nalang patay kinabukasan alang record/blotter yun kung hindi pa nakita sa CCTV hindi  malalaman na hinuli ng pulis

I am not against sa fight against drug against lang ako sa  EJK.

[deeper one zero]

Ganun talaga naoovershadow kasi nang mas madaming negative yung mga positive e.

then why you have to patronize bad news instead of good news?

[bigbanggoo]

As I said the bad news is worse than the good news. That's why it is what we discuss and that is why we are spreading it, para baka sakaling mabago.

[etong]

As I said the bad news is worse than the good news. That's why it is what we discuss and that is why we are spreading it, para baka sakaling mabago.

For arguments sake, you dont want people to die right? Then what possible change do you want to happen? How do you catch criminals knowing most of them have guns?

Baka pwede nating irefer sa mga kapulisan yan mga idea nyo para wala ng mamatay. Im all for it kung meron kayong paraan. Otherwise let the authorities do their job to the best that they can.

[etong]

well sagutin ko lang ito... apple to apple ang comparison dapat ejk  ngayon within the past 3 months to ejk  noon last year of the same month to see talaga kung meron or walang pinagbago  or tumaas talaga... para masabi kung meron increase or wala depende kasi kung saan angle mo siya titingnan. Numbers can always be manipulated kaya mas maganda may nakalatag lagi na point of referrence. Yun sa  EJK hearing kasi ang pinaki dun ay pagbaba ng total crime like rape, holdap etc... Remember din na meron ibang pulis precint hindi naglilista ng EJK kaya kapag pinakita ang media tally at police report hindi magkaparehas. Like yun hinuli na OFW na nakita nalang patay kinabukasan alang record/blotter yun kung hindi pa nakita sa CCTV hindi  malalaman na hinuli ng pulis

I am not against sa fight against drug against lang ako sa  EJK.

I wont argue with this. As ive said i acknowledge na may incidents talaga na may ginagawanģ kalokohan ang mga pulis. Pero to relate this case to everyone or most of them is just unfair.

Also no one can really say if the numbers are manipulated like you think. If it is, then why didnt the anti ejk team focused on it rather than switching to matobato?

Your opinion has merits but i dont think thats the case.

[bigbanggoo]

For arguments sake, you dont want people to die right? Then what possible change do you want to happen? How do you catch criminals knowing most of them have guns?

Baka pwede nating irefer sa mga kapulisan yan mga idea nyo para wala ng mamatay. Im all for it kung meron kayong paraan. Otherwise let the authorities do their job to the best that they can.

I'm all up for legit criminals dying. Good riddance. But not at the cost of innocents and double standards. It's simple. Use due process on everyone not just on big fish and the cops. Pag mga small time pusher o user kasi merong mandate na hulihin na agad at mag fireback kung papalag. Etong aggressive campaign na ito yung sinasamantala nung mga corrupt na pulis o nang mga ibang kriminal din. Kasi kung may kagalit sila e papatayin na lang tapos papalabasin na lumaban. O kaya yung iba e hoholdapin tapos papatayin then kunyari vigilante yung tumira tapos nasa watchlist. E kung yung due process para sa lahat edi maiiwasan yun.

[etong]

I'm all up for legit criminals dying. Good riddance. But not at the cost of innocents and double standards. It's simple. Use due process on everyone not just on big fish and the cops. Pag mga small time pusher o user kasi merong mandate na hulihin na agad at mag fireback kung papalag. Etong aggressive campaign na ito yung sinasamantala nung mga corrupt na pulis o nang mga ibang kriminal din. Kasi kung may kagalit sila e papatayin na lang tapos papalabasin na lumaban. O kaya yung iba e hoholdapin tapos papatayin then kunyari vigilante yung tumira tapos nasa watchlist. E kung yung due process para sa lahat edi maiiwasan yun.

Due process is used on everyone as far as mandate and the orders of the president. I dont understand why you keep insisting on the bad cops incidents. Bilang na bilang lang yan dahil nalilinis narin naman ang mga taong sangkot. Kahit hindi aggressive ang war on drugs, incidents like that are already happening. And for the past incidents na expose sila nababawasan narin sila.

Its not that simple. Ang premise mo walang lalaban sa mga mahuhuli pero ang reality meron talaga if you check the news on police dying as well. The big fish arent dumb enough to fight back kaya walang incident na napapatay kung yan ang pinopoint out mo. They are still hoping that money can save them. Porket buhay lang mga big fish double standards na?

Ang sad reality lang is ang mga mahihirap ay wala ng choice but to fight for freedom dahil wala naman silang pera. Pero ang mga mayayaman may pagasa pa dahil nga they can hire lawyers and has a chance na maacquit for lack of evidence and such.

[etong]

By the way ang solution na sinabi mo is what they are implementing, bad cops aside.

[qtip]

puro kasi negative ang pinapansin.
 (discuss nyu naman yung positive side lalo na sa mga accomplishment nya for 100days palang)

kaya walang asenso negative agad nasa isip

Well as i can see po the topic is "Usapang EJK:Here's one crazy drug addict. Now, imagine there's 3 million of this" so i suppose there is no positive side re this?

Proly create a new topic/ thread to discuss those positive accomplishment?