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Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« on: July 16, 2016, 04:11:05 am »
Hello po mga ka Espiya. Tanong lang po ang opinyon ninyo tungkol sa anti drug campaign ng kasalukuyang admin at sa mga sinasabi ng iba na walang habas na pag labag sa due process. Salamat po

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2016, 07:13:27 am »
Kung talagang adik/pusher eh I have no problem kahit patayin nila ng patayin. Kaso hindi natin masabi. Baka meron dyan na napagkamalan lang or worst sadyang pinatay at pinalabas nalang na pusher/adik.

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2016, 08:39:10 am »
Due process? sa court lang hinihinigi yon..... pag salot sa lipunan di na aabot sa court yan... :D


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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2016, 09:50:52 am »
Kung talagang adik/pusher eh I have no problem kahit patayin nila ng patayin. Kaso hindi natin masabi. Baka meron dyan na napagkamalan lang or worst sadyang pinatay at pinalabas nalang na pusher/adik.

this also bothers me sir. what bothers me more is a large portion of our population praises such acts

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2016, 10:06:15 am »
as of now, we can only speculate. it could be anything. maaaring pinatay din ng mga kapwa nila pusher o mga supplier nila para hnd sila ikanta. hindi natin mkkuha ang due process kahit anong gawin natin kung hindi aabot sa korte. korte lang ang mkpagbibigay nito. human rights? well, pag naiisip ko at naalala ung mga headline sa balita noon na mga patayan, kidnap, holdap with murder, tapos rape sa mga bata, etc, mas naaawa ako sa mga inosenteng mga kabataan natin o mamamayan na walang laban sa mga ganitong kasamaan.

anyway, we can't conclude na pulis nga ang may gawa ng mga yan. until then, it's only speculation. mas mainam, lagyan ng mga bodycam o helmet-cam with built in audio para bawat operation talaga e makikita kung tlgang nanlaban nga o hindi gaya ng mga pulis sa amerika. di mo din nman masisi ang pulis kng nanlaban nga. alangan nmang hayaan mong tamaan ka muna nung suspek bago ka pumutok. what we have is a dilemma. basta right now, i support this campaign as long as its within the confines of the law. if it is indeed an execution, well, ung mga nagaakusa ang dapat magpatunay na pinatahimik nga talaga yung tao. hangga't wala silang nkikitang ebidensya na pulis nga ang dumale sa mga ito, wala taung magagawa kundi magabang nlang.


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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2016, 10:42:59 am »
i have mixed feelings with this campaign... though i am with the sanctity of life, i cannot ignore the fact that this people have given hell to many people... and for now, i am for the campaign in order to rid the country of this drug menace...

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2016, 11:29:50 am »
kung hinihingi nyo due process para sa mga kriminal, ang pulis ay humihingi rin ng due process...
kung may ebidensiya kayo against summary execution, magreklamo sa korte...

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2016, 11:46:10 am »
Pag mahirap ka at pilipino walang due process pero pag mayaman ka at foreigner meron, makakaharap mo pa presidente. Di ba peter lim?

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2016, 11:47:43 am »
kung hinihingi nyo due process para sa mga kriminal, ang pulis ay humihingi rin ng due process...
kung may ebidensiya kayo against summary execution, magreklamo sa korte...
How can that be if the victim/witness is already dead?

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2016, 11:50:58 am »
kung hinihingi nyo due process para sa mga kriminal, ang pulis ay humihingi rin ng due process...
kung may ebidensiya kayo against summary execution, magreklamo sa korte...

Hindi ba pwedeng humingi din ng ebidensya na lumaban nga talaga or nang agaw ng baril? Or kahit man lang proof na talagang pusher/adik/criminal nga yung napatay?

Again, no problem kung talagang kriminal nga na lumaban kaya napatay. Pero nakakasiguro ka ba 100% na walang inosente? Na walang naging biktima lang? Kung may isa lang na pinatay dyan dahil miss identified o kaya na frame-up or naging fall-guy pano? Collateral damage nalang ganun ba?

Body cameras would be nice. Hindi naman siguro ganun kamahal yun para hindi ma afford ng gobyerno. 

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2016, 02:09:31 pm »
in reality kasi, sa normal police operation, pag aarestuhin ka, pagkakita pa lang sayo ng suspect, either itaas mo mga kamay mo o bubunot ka ng baril. sa dami ng napatay na nanlaban, kung tlagang meron mang extrajudicial sa nangyari, it would've been caught on camera. sa sobrang hi tech ngaun ng mundo, pati pagjakol ng manyak sa jeep o kaya away magasawa o rambulan sa kanto, nkkunan ng camera e. meeting nga ni vp leni which is supposed to be a secret meeting e nakunan ng video. if there is any evidence that this deaths are indeed summary executions, lalabas at lalabas ang ebidensya. abang mode lang. sa ngaun ang ebidensya lang na nanlaban ang suspek ay kung may pulis na namatay sa engkwentro. kamakailan lang e may mga sugatan ng pulis na nadale ng adik bago namatay.

meanwhile, kesa maging piyesta pa ang senate o congress inquiry tungkol jan, sana gumawa na lang sila ng batas na nagrrequire sa mga pulis na magsuot ng bodycam pag nkaduty at dashcam sa mga ssakyan. hindi ung puro papogi sa media na nagiimbestiga kuno pero wala nmang kahihinatnan.

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2016, 03:43:35 pm »
meron na ba napatay na drug lord? napatay na drug protector? sana wag agad ibato sa duterte administration ang nangyayari. puro maliliit na pangalan pa lang yan.

i do believe na may mga pinapatay na si duterte, pero di ako naniwala na duterte lahat ito. mas naniwala ako na ang mga nasa taas ang nag lilinis para di sila maikanta.

itong mga addict, pusher, dealers, pera lang habol nila. wala silang paki alam sa mga buhay na nasisira nila. i would rather see them gone, than see my kids get hooked on drugs. i would rather see them gone, than see my kids get hurt by addicts.

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2016, 08:47:00 am »
oo nga sa palagay ko rin ang mga nangyayari nitong mga nakaraan eh naging chain of events nalang siguro.. sa katakutan rin ng mga drug lord masterminds na masumbong pa sila eh pinatumba narin nila mismo ika nga ang kanilang mga sari sariling tao.. para syempre eh hindi na sila maisumbong..

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2016, 09:09:02 am »
Hindi alam ni duterte ang due process dahil bobo sya. Sad to say, mas bobo ang 16m na pilipinong bumoto sa kanya. IMHO.

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2016, 02:00:02 pm »
Hindi alam ni duterte ang due process dahil bobo sya. Sad to say, mas bobo ang 16m na pilipinong bumoto sa kanya. IMHO.

WOW. so ang ibig mo bang sabihin e mas matalino ka sa 16M na bumoto kay duterte? obvious naman kasi hindi mo siya binoto kasi sabi mo bobo siya, so ang premise e bobo 16M at si duterte tapos ikaw hindi? :applause
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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2016, 03:25:14 pm »
Yung mga sinasalvage xxxx sintido kumon lang yan. Yung mga dating protektor nyan yung bumibira sa kanila kase ayaw nilang maikanta sila. Konting gamit ng utak libre lang yan. laffman::

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2016, 08:21:32 pm »
palitan nyo nga ng mukha ni digong to hehehe




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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2016, 10:31:11 pm »
mahirap makipagtalo sa mga what if... going 3 weeks pa lang si duterte marami na nangyari na dapat noon pa nangyari... yung mga ginagawa niya, i like it... case to case basis dapat yan allegation nyo na summary killings... hindi porket may isang sablay, sablay na lahat... ginagawa kasi ng karamihan either against  or pro duterte... eh hindi naman dapat... case to case basis ang paghusga...

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2016, 10:39:45 am »
i'm for the using of bodycams to ensure the transparency of what happened... for now, the only issue i see with the recent events are the collateral deaths due to the campaign... hope they polish the strategies and implementing rules to avoid this...

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2016, 01:36:50 pm »

sabi nga ni GWB:  smoking::

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2016, 10:16:39 pm »
Lets us put it  this way. Hindi lahat na pinatay ay drug pusher, addict, o druglord pwedeng civilian na pinagdiskitahan, na set-up o frame-up lang. Pwede nating sabihin na yung mga pumapatay ay vigilante group, druglord goons, o pulis. The point is, we are not sure about this recent killings.
The only thing we  know is that, it’s effective that pushers, addicts and drug lords are on the run. Who would have thought that this strong campaign against illegal drugs caused commotion among the "untouchable" drug lords and their backers.
The only down-side is the accused person don’t have the ability to prove that she/he is innocent. In an instant “injustice” is being served to a person who truthfully doesn’t engaged or engaging on any illegal drug activites, this had happened, have happened, have been happening, and will happen. It could be fall to me, you or us that are innocent(Oo, tama ang nabasa mo kahit na bangag ka ngayon kinokonsider ko pa rin na hindi ka adik, adik. Kaya bawas-bawas din sapag katol, try mo usok ng pospuro, kandila, gasera, o tambutso).
Pero ang resulta nito ay ang pagbaba o pagkawala ng mga krimen na dahil sa droga. I’m leaning on the lesser evil here. I’m in all support for this campaign against illegal drugs and to any form of illegal activities. I don’t mind spilling the blood of the sinners to protect the innocent. On the other hand, the government should, they REALLY should, ensure that no innocent civilian will suffer the same fate in return. And the president is true with his words, its is bloody, indeed.

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2016, 09:26:13 am »
para sa akin ok lang to. Tama na ung tayong karaniwang pilipino ang laging natatakot mabiktima ng mga hayup na yan.
Mula sa iyong mga mahal sa buhay hanggang sa sarili mo puro takot na lang nararamdaman mo. panahon na para sila naman matakot sa pinaggagawa nila.

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2016, 08:10:55 pm »
regarding this issue of summary killing, para sa akin, epektibo sya, halos 18k na ang sumukong mga drug pushers and users, kahit sa amin, yung mga kilala kong mga tulak at users sumuko na, na ikinagulat ko din, kasi akala ko astigin sila, natakot din pala sila dahil sa nangyayari.

tama naman si presidente, when he's campaigning, sabi nya, he will stop drugs but it will be bloody...which is ganun nga nangyayari pero epektibo kaya all out support ako dito.

sa ngayon, my family and i are feeling safe, nabawasan na yung pakalat-kalat sa amin tuwing gabi, wala nang mga tambay sa kalye.

tama ang sabi ng poster before me na si EujinJinir, panahon na, na sila naman ang matakot at hindi tayong mga mamamayan na tahimik na namumuhay.

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Re: Illegal Drugs and the Due Process
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2016, 11:41:34 am »
agree... it's high time that we can again feel safe to walk our streets...