Topic: Duterte wont kill NPA

[tigerwing]

http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/128251-duterte-bohol-not-kill-npa

"Leftist ko, pero dili ko extreme left. Ari ko sa ilok," he cracked a joke before a visibly excited crowd on Sunday, April 3. (I'm a leftist, but not on the extreme left. I'm closer to the armpit.)

Duterte told the crowd that he tells criminals in Davao City, "When I say get out, get out. Or you'll be killed. Pero wala'y apil ang NPA (NPA members are not included)."

He said that while he would target criminals, he wouldn't kill NPA members because they are fighting for "an ideology." Duterte joked, however, that he would tell communist guerrillas to get out of his city and "go to Cebu and Bohol instead."
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So pag NPA pala ang gumawa ng katarantaduhan (murder, extortion, etc) eh ok lang..  Napakahusay talaga ni mayor.. 

[maniac2999]

Maybe because for most people (in the context of the masses, not only in the South), NPA = criminals, but really NPA = communists, and not all communists = criminals, it would make sense na he would kill them kung magstep over the boundary of criminality na in which case NPA member = criminal.

[tigerwing]

Maybe because for most people (in the context of the masses, not only in the South), NPA = criminals, but really NPA = communists, and not all communists = criminals, it would make sense na he would kill them kung magstep over the boundary of criminality na in which case NPA member = criminal.

Yes. Not all communist are criminals. Thats why we can have Leftists like teddy casino and renato reyes out in the streets without being arrested on sight.

But the NPA? The NPA is the military wing of the CPP. They take up arms and use those arms against whoever they see fit, may it be against the government or a private entity. They harass, extort and kill. By that virtue alone are they not CRIMINALS?

Yet Duterte wont kill them? He'll punish and kill criminals except one who's an NPA? He said:

"When I say get out, get out. Or you'll be killed. Pero wala'y apil ang NPA (NPA members are not included)."

[maniac2999]

Yes. Not all communist are criminals. Thats why we can have Leftists like teddy casino and renato reyes out in the streets without being arrested on sight.

But the NPA? The NPA is the military wing of the CPP. They take up arms and use those arms against whoever they see fit, may it be against the government or a private entity. They harass, extort and kill. By that virtue alone are they not CRIMINALS?

Yet Duterte wont kill them? He'll punish and kill criminals except one who's an NPA? He said:

"When I say get out, get out. Or you'll be killed. Pero wala'y apil ang NPA (NPA members are not included)."

NPA = military wing and killers? ngayon ko lang nalaman yan, but I have a few classmates before na NPA (per their words). But then again, can it be proven that every _single_ one of the NPA members have committed the crimes already?

I think the issue here is scoping and nothing more, medyo ambiguous lang statement (which obviously leads to these kinds of 'derivations), kasi not all NPA are criminals. But I guess kung criminal ka, your affiliation won't matter.

[tigerwing]

NPA = military wing and killers? ngayon ko lang nalaman yan, but I have a few classmates before na NPA (per their words). But then again, can it be proven that every _single_ one of the NPA members have committed the crimes already?

I think the issue here is scoping and nothing more, medyo ambiguous lang statement (which obviously leads to these kinds of 'derivations), kasi not all NPA are criminals. But I guess kung criminal ka, your affiliation won't matter.

Nothing is ambiguous. What I see here is someone whos advocating selective justice. Pag ordinaryong mamamayan ang pumatay, na ngikil or gumawa ng gulo malilintikan kay digong. Pero pag NPA ang ng ambush, pumatay, na ngikil ng "revulutionary tax" at nakipagbarilan sa mga authoridad eh ok lang? (Yes thats what the NPA do in case you didnt know)

http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2016/02/18/PNP-condemns-NPA-attack-killed-6-policemen.html

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/749822/masbate-mayor-survives-npa-attack

http://www.afp.mil.ph/index.php/news/8-afp-news/40-afp-thwarts-npa-extortion-in-albay-2-rebels-killed-firearms-recovered-in-encounter

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cagayan-de-oro/local-news/2016/01/30/npa-torches-heavy-equipment-bukidnon-454660

http://news.abs-cbn.com/nation/01/11/16/bets-told-reject-npa-extortion-demands

You think hindi criminal ang NPA? Tell that to the families of those they killed..

[kobeyaki]

Pag naging presidente siya ano na sasabihin nya sa mga kriminal at npa? Umalis kayo ng pilipinas at pumunta ng ibang bansa? Lol

[maniac2999]

Nothing is ambiguous. What I see here is someone whos advocating selective justice. Pag ordinaryong mamamayan ang pumatay, na ngikil or gumawa ng gulo malilintikan kay digong. Pero pag NPA ang ng ambush, pumatay, na ngikil ng "revulutionary tax" at nakipagbarilan sa mga authoridad eh ok lang? (Yes thats what the NPA do in case you didnt know)

http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2016/02/18/PNP-condemns-NPA-attack-killed-6-policemen.html

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/749822/masbate-mayor-survives-npa-attack

http://www.afp.mil.ph/index.php/news/8-afp-news/40-afp-thwarts-npa-extortion-in-albay-2-rebels-killed-firearms-recovered-in-encounter

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cagayan-de-oro/local-news/2016/01/30/npa-torches-heavy-equipment-bukidnon-454660

http://news.abs-cbn.com/nation/01/11/16/bets-told-reject-npa-extortion-demands

You think hindi criminal ang NPA? Tell that to the families of those they killed..

Nothing is ambiguous if you take it from the POV of someone 'involved' in the matter, that presents biases.. I am for MDS, but this statement can be translated two ways depending kung heavily anti-Duterte ka or something else.

As for the NPA part, as I said, you can't generalize, pero kung that is the case, e di Criminals sila according sa yo hehe. Otherwise, wala akong nakitang batas against ideologies.

FYI I look at this from the 3rd person POV, in reality I can easily jump ship when Binay wins hehe.

[lawrencium]

Nothing is ambiguous if you take it from the POV of someone 'involved' in the matter, that presents biases.. I am for MDS, but this statement can be translated two ways depending kung heavily anti-Duterte ka or something else.

As for the NPA part, as I said, you can't generalize, pero kung that is the case, e di Criminals sila according sa yo hehe. Otherwise, wala akong nakitang batas against ideologies.

FYI I look at this from the 3rd person POV, in reality I can easily jump ship when Binay wins hehe.

that's a poor excuse,  NPA's are terrorist's drivineb by communistic ideologies, they are killing in the name of communism and so was the vast list of authoritarian communists dictators like mao and stalin who sought to create a eutopia free from, i.e religion and other ideologies that deviates from it.you're implying kase na these people are not killing for communism, which is an outdated excuse mostly use by leftists, this infinitely elastic justification is a precursor to dangerous fanaticism that lead to the most atrocious bloodbaths in human history. ayaw ko talagang mag seryoso sa mga matter na ganito NAKAKASAWA NA KASE, pero minsan hindi mo maresist na magcomment.

[weng151515]

komunista nga eh....

[tigerwing]

Nothing is ambiguous if you take it from the POV of someone 'involved' in the matter, that presents biases.. I am for MDS, but this statement can be translated two ways depending kung heavily anti-Duterte ka or something else.

As for the NPA part, as I said, you can't generalize, pero kung that is the case, e di Criminals sila according sa yo hehe. Otherwise, wala akong nakitang batas against ideologies.

FYI I look at this from the 3rd person POV, in reality I can easily jump ship when Binay wins hehe.

Yes, there are no laws against ideologies. Communism is indeed not illegal. But there are laws against murder, extortion, harassment, illegal possesion of fire arms, disturbance of public peace, etc etc. Lahat yan ginagawa ng NPA. So, if Duterte is so hell bent on going after criminals, then why not the NPA who do EXACTLY THE SAME THING and more?

Lets not generalize? Not all NPA members are criminals? If you choose to become a part of an organization that is infamous for commiting crimes, can you not be held accountable unless you yourself became a principal offender? Correct me if im wrong but isnt aidding and abetting punishable by law?

[d_sinner78]

NPA = military wing and killers? ngayon ko lang nalaman yan, but I have a few classmates before na NPA (per their words). But then again, can it be proven that every _single_ one of the NPA members have committed the crimes already?

I think the issue here is scoping and nothing more, medyo ambiguous lang statement (which obviously leads to these kinds of 'derivations), kasi not all NPA are criminals. But I guess kung criminal ka, your affiliation won't matter.

You can blame your NPA friends for your confusion. CPP (Communist Party of the Philippines) yung socio-political arm. NPA (New People's ARMY) is the military wing. Pero since mas sikat ung NPA, usually, yun ang pakilala nila sa mga kaibigan nila.

Currently, designated na terrorist organization ang NPA. If you're having a hard time understanding kung bakit tingin ng marami sa kanila ay killer, just imagine kung nagpakilala sa yo ung katabi mo sa tren or eroplano na member sya ng Taliban. Tatanong mo pa ba kung nakapatay na sya?

[naruto789544]

i would say this again... i hope his writers or close aids be mindful of his speeches.... i mostly agree with the observations and points by many here... if he truly wants to end all crimes all should be covered by that regardless of affinity or ideologies..

[bigbanggoo]

Yan yung matagal ko nang number 1 reason bakit hindi ko iboboto si Duterte. Double standard. Yung mga petty criminals lang kaya nya pero hindi nya kaya yung mga npa kahit lantaran yung mga krimen nila like murder, extortion, kidnapping at robbery. Kaso yung mga loyalista nya e parang INC sa pagkakulto. You can't reason with them.

[notsky]

correct sir, kung maka hijack ng thread sa newsfeed s fb at pag nag reason out ka ng magandang argument/s babanatan ka naman ng character assasination. ngayon ko lang na-realize na talaga palang madaming pinoy ang sarado ang utak at napakadali mapaniwala sa mga black propaganda. kaya pala nanalo si nancy binay nun at ngayon si pacquiao naman at alma moreno

[lawrencium]

hindi ko maimaigine kung gaano na naging katanga ang mga tao dahil dito sa hype induced dutertism na to

[kingkazz]

REBELLION IS A CRIME UNDER THE REVISED PENAL CODE

[naruto789544]

REBELLION IS A CRIME UNDER THE REVISED PENAL CODE

it has been and will always be...

[tigerwing]

2 hurt, 19 guns taken in NPA attack on Davao City detachment

MANILA, Philippines - A militiaman and a civilian were injured when the New People's Army attacked a security detachment in Davao City's Paquibato District over the weekend, the Army's 10th Infantry Division said Monday.


http://m.philstar.com/414576/show/3bfd584b53547d626315d2448c9ab4d8/?

Pano yan? Palampasin nalang ba yan?

[d_sinner78]

2 hurt, 19 guns taken in NPA attack on Davao City detachment

MANILA, Philippines - A militiaman and a civilian were injured when the New People's Army attacked a security detachment in Davao City's Paquibato District over the weekend, the Army's 10th Infantry Division said Monday.


http://m.philstar.com/414576/show/3bfd584b53547d626315d2448c9ab4d8/?

Pano yan? Palampasin nalang ba yan?

Relax lang. Ir-rescue sila ni Digong mula sa friends nya.

[etong]

2 hurt, 19 guns taken in NPA attack on Davao City detachment

MANILA, Philippines - A militiaman and a civilian were injured when the New People's Army attacked a security detachment in Davao City's Paquibato District over the weekend, the Army's 10th Infantry Division said Monday.


http://m.philstar.com/414576/show/3bfd584b53547d626315d2448c9ab4d8/?

Pano yan? Palampasin nalang ba yan?

"LTC Louie Villanueva, commander of the 84th Infantry Battalion, said the group behind the attack was led by a certain "Jinggoy" and that the Army will go after them for the attack.
 
MGen Rafael Valencia, division commander, said "the 10ID will continuously intensify operation against [them]." The division will also investigate the incident for possible security lapses surrounding the attack."

Wait I don't get it, NPA attacked and the army is going after them. What's the problem here sir?

[kobeyaki]

^dont worry digong will talk to his comrade to release our govt troops. Viola hero na naman si digong

[kobeyaki]

"LTC Louie Villanueva, commander of the 84th Infantry Battalion, said the group behind the attack was led by a certain "Jinggoy" and that the Army will go after them for the attack.
 
MGen Rafael Valencia, division commander, said "the 10ID will continuously intensify operation against [them]." The division will also investigate the incident for possible security lapses surrounding the attack."

Wait I don't get it, NPA attacked and the army is going after them. What's the problem here sir?

Bakit ano problema? Yan lang ba ang sundalo ng pilipinas?

Yan naman talaga gawain ng npa, mang ambush sabay takbo.

[etong]

Bakit ano problema? Yan lang ba ang sundalo ng pilipinas?

Yan naman talaga gawain ng npa, mang ambush sabay takbo.

I was referring to sir tigerwing's comment na "Pano yan? Palampasin nalang ba yan?" but the article stated that the army was going after them. So hindi naman nila palalampasin ang ginawa nila. That's why I'm confused about his comment.

^dont worry digong will talk to his comrade to release our govt troops. Viola hero na naman si digong

There were no taken hostages from the incident as per the article. Unless there are other sources you've read this from? Please post them, thank you.

[tigerwing]

I was referring to sir tigerwing's comment na "Pano yan? Palampasin nalang ba yan?" but the article stated that the army was going after them. So hindi naman nila palalampasin ang ginawa nila. That's why I'm confused about his comment.

There were no taken hostages from the incident as per the article. Unless there are other sources you've read this from? Please post them, thank you.

I was asking in context of his statement that he wont go after NPA. So pano pag ganyan ang ginawa nila? Hindi ba crime yan? Pag si digong ba naging pangulo eh palalampasin nya yang mga ganyang bagay? Coz thats what the NPA do, thats what they have been doing ever since, and digong seems to tolerate them.

 Nasa Davao city yan. Teritoryo ni digong. Gumawa sila ng gulo, may nasaktan at nag nakaw sila ng aramas. Crime yun diba? Babantaan din ba sila ni digong na "leave/stay away from davao or else youre dead?

[chukino]

Hmm... kung binasa n'yo yung news. Wala namang binanggit na nag intervene yung mayor ng Davao, di ba? And the army will go after those attackers. Point of clarification lang, hindi naman po lahat ng NPA ay solid, kahit sa circles ng NPA eh may mga faction din. May grupo ng NPA na hindi sakop ng Mayor ng Davao dahil ibang pulitiko rin ang connection nila. Mga Senador nga na 24 lang nagkakahati-hati pa, lalo naman ang mga konsehal ng barangay na aanim lang nagkakahati pa.

Kaya halimbawa yung sumalakay ay may kapit kay "Kongresman Pooh" at di kapartido ni Davao Mayor si Kongresman Pooh. Kailangan bang sisihin pa rin si Davao Mayor kung yun ay pakana ni Kongresman Pooh para ipahiya si Mayor dahil ang alam nga ng tao base na rin sa pagpapaunawa ng ibang kontra kay Mayor eh parang supremo si Mayor ng mga NPA sa buong Pilipinas. So, kung gumawa ng kabalbalan ang mga NPA sa ilocos, si Mayor ng Davao pa rin ba ang may kasalanan nun at sagutin n'ya pa rin ba iyon?