Topic: duterte's lies and deception

[lawrencium]

hindi na daw sya hahabol kase may sakit na siyang iniinda


pangalawa,sabi nila safest cities daw ang davao which is dead untrue

Police records show Davao City's crime rate is, in fact, higher than either Sorsogon City or Cebu City.



isa pa sa mga kasinungalingang ginawa ng mga dutertard is yung pagpuri daw ng pope sa kaniya, UNTRUE again



when he claimed na wala daw syang deathsquad



na hindi daw siya nanghahalik ng babae sa publiko



na pumunta daw si steven seagull para i meet si duterte pero ang katotohanan eh si Chavit ang punta niya don at walang kinalaman kay duterte

See all these compulsive lying and deception? kung iboboto mo parin ang taong ganito magpagamot kana baka may tililing kana, no offense, i am serious

[sphinxavior]

 

"DAW"

[KaMushroom]

Madami din namang kasinungalingang sina Mar at binay ah. Pag si duterte okay lang!

Mga tauhan nila Mar at Binay yung mga nagpapakalat ng kasinungalingan daw ni duterte para magmukha siyang sinungaling!

Mar Fanboy ka siguro or Kultong ITIM

KRIMINAL AT ADIK lang ang takot kay Duterte ALL HAIL DUTERTE

LOL

[fireshed]

Ungas talaga.

[bigbanggoo]

Sinabi naman talaga nya yung mga "daw" na yun. Atsaka alam naman nang lahat yang mga inconsistencies ni Duterte talagang mga loyalista lang parang yung kulto nang INC.

[lawrencium]

linagyan ko lang naman ng Daw kasi hindi first hand sakin nanggaling , nonetheless those are confirmed lies and inconsistencies ni tandang duterte, iilanlang yan sa mga kapalpakan niya, sa sobrang dami tatamarin kang isa isahin.

[lawrencium]

despite that,i am quite relieved na kulelat na si digong sa survey, totoo na malakas siya sa mga social media pero pag actual surveys, sws, pulse asia talo siya, andami kasing nauuto ng duterte fad na to, yung mga hindi nag iisip  na para bang mga obedient slaves lang, that's why i am tryng to dismantle the very foundations of his claim to fame

[bodieph]

the table quoted is deceptive though, not sure what the source is but if you analyze it, cebu and davao has about the same crime rate even if the initial figures say there is a big difference (6k vs 2k), the next entries in the table shows that on a monthly basis both cities have more or less the same crime rate, relative to its population (546 for davao with a population of 1.4mil, 958 for cebu with a population of over 2mil). also if you multiple the monthly index crime, you will get 6548 for Davao on a yearly basis and you SHOULD get 11496 for Cebu

to further this point, you can see at the end of the table that index crime per 100k people, they are about equal

however, with regards to non-index crime, sobrang laki ng sa davao. non-index crimes include drug seizures, weapon arrests, raids, prostitution etc. so more or less these crimes are police operations against crime but it has to be stressed that not all non-index crime are police operations. on one hand, it can be claimed that the police in davao are doing a lot more operations in the city compared to other cities but on the other hand, it could also mean that police are doing lots of operations because there are lots of crimes

[dweizz]

ano ibig sabihin ng asterisk?

[etong]

I'd agree with you TS if these are authentic but please post the links or references you got this from.

I concede to the fact about dun kay pope pero yung iba medyo di credible kasi nga walang reference man lang.

Duon sa hindi sya nanghahalik in public, i don't recall he denied this. Kung natatandaan ko parang pinagmalaki pa nga niya na babaero siya.

Bakit yung table sa davao lang may year? Atsaka ano yung * next to the city means?

Pati photos kasi ang tanda ko may mga company watermarks ng abs-cbn and ang gma kung naglalabas ng mga photo. Also, yung last pic has a "dudirty" mark halatang galing sa anti duterte camp. I don't think gawa ng GMA or ABS-CBN yan kahit tingin ko bias sila minsan.

To be fair kasi, it goes both ways. Kung kaya ng duterte camp gumawa ng kasinungalingan as you claim, kaya rin ito ng mga anti-duterte.

If you can show reliable sources for the others, then I'll believe you and I won't consider to elect him anymore. Deal?

[dweizz]

parang ito yan oh

http://www.thinkingpinoy.com/mar-roxas-vs-davao-city-an-analysis-of-pnp-crime-reporting/

mas detailed... gamitin nyo na lang utak nyo kung sino ang may mas sense

[dragonking57]

Parehas lang kayo inuuto ng mga pulitikong yan twing eleksyon..pero sa totoo lang mas papaniwalaan ko sinasabi ni Duterte kesa sa kumakain ng tae.

[raginghormones]

paki post din yung mga kasinungalingan "DAW" ni roxas, binay at poe.

kung ayaw kay duterte then wag iboto.

[etong]

Parehas lang kayo inuuto ng mga pulitikong yan twing eleksyon..pero sa totoo lang mas papaniwalaan ko sinasabi ni Duterte kesa sa kumakain ng tae.

LOL.

Pero let's be fair to TS. Matagal na niyang pinupush to, baka may pinaghuhugutan and kung may credible source nga naman maintindihan natin siya. Pag wala siyang mapakita, alam na... 

[lawrencium]

Parehas lang kayo inuuto ng mga pulitikong yan twing eleksyon..pero sa totoo lang mas papaniwalaan ko sinasabi ni Duterte kesa sa kumakain ng tae.

sa tae ka rin naman ipinaglihi ng  nanay mo nag iinarte kapa

[lawrencium]

utak medyas talaga halos yung mga deboto ni tandang duterte dito may mga sources na nga at quotes na pwede nilang isearch sa search engine ichachallenge pa rin yung poster kung totoo yung mga quotes at  figures as if parang may ginagawang conspirarcy yung mga tao laban sa sa bobong kandidato nila galing sa davao.   ni hindi nga issue dito kung totoo yung mga quotes at figures unless sa bundok ka nakatira at wala kang alam sa mga current events.

[lawrencium]

hayy nako hindi ako makapaniwala kailangan ko pang i spoonfeed yung mga ropor na deboto ni duterte at kailangang patunayan ko pa na hindi ako gumagawa ng propaganda laban sa kanya, bago ko pinost to i thought non issue na  kung totoo man tong mga pinost ko o hinde since laganap naman yung mga sources sa internet in case may duda kayo pwede niyong i search, anyway ipopost ko narin yung mga sources (hayy nako lol)

eto yung sa crime index na galing mismo sa mga police records

http://gulfnews.com/news/asia/philippines/one-crime-every-80-minutes-in-davao-city-1.1660705

eto yung tungkol sa pope, pumunta lang kayo sa fb at hanapin niyo yung page na "papal visit 2015" yun ang official organizer nung bumisita ang pope sa pinas at makikita niyo don na dineny nila na sinabi nga yon ni pope

eto naman yung sinabi niya tungkol sa mga death squad nya

http://news.abs-cbn.com/halalan2016/nation/regions/05/25/15/duterte-admits-links-davao-death-squad-says-hell-kill-100000-criminals

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/554205/news/nation/duterte-denies-link-to-davao-death-squad

nung dineny nya naman na hindi daw siya nanghahalik ng babae eh nangyari nung presidential debate niya sa GMA7  mapapanood mo yung debate sa youtube

[lawrencium]

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[lawrencium]

the table quoted is deceptive though, not sure what the source is but if you analyze it, cebu and davao has about the same crime rate even if the initial figures say there is a big difference (6k vs 2k), the next entries in the table shows that on a monthly basis both cities have more or less the same crime rate, relative to its population (546 for davao with a population of 1.4mil, 958 for cebu with a population of over 2mil). also if you multiple the monthly index crime, you will get 6548 for Davao on a yearly basis and you SHOULD get 11496 for Cebu

to further this point, you can see at the end of the table that index crime per 100k people, they are about equal

however, with regards to non-index crime, sobrang laki ng sa davao. non-index crimes include drug seizures, weapon arrests, raids, prostitution etc. so more or less these crimes are police operations against crime but it has to be stressed that not all non-index crime are police operations. on one hand, it can be claimed that the police in davao are doing a lot more operations in the city compared to other cities but on the other hand, it could also mean that police are doing lots of operations because there are lots of crimes

BUT, THE POINT BEING addressed here ,davao is nowhere special than any other normal cities sa pinas as opposed to what duterte supporters insinuate, his "kill all" method doesn't work and the killing outweighs the benefit. 20 years na si duterte sa pwesto but his only claim to fame is yung selective killing nya pero pagdating sa mga NPA eh napaka diplomatic nya.

[raginghormones]

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[clark.kent]

yeah right, grow up boy, walang nakukuhang matinong sagot sayo mga tao dito. wala kang alam kundi ihirit ang nanay ng mga bumabara at sumasagot syo.

calling mods eto ba gusto niyong sumasagot dito sa espiya? sumasagot ng nonsense hindi based sa issue dahil alam niyang barado siya.

i believe this is a foul. mag-asaran tau kht madamagan pero ang iinvolve ang ibang family member especially mothers is uncalled for at dapat pinapatawan ng parusa. ika nga, "call me names all you want, but don't drag my family into this."

@lawrencium kung wala kang constructive way of challenging other people's opinion on who they want to vote, wag kna lang magsalita kasi lalo mo lang pinapahiya ang sarili mo. well, unless of course wala kang hiya which is apparently obvious. anyways, bago mo banatan si duterte, ilabas mo rin ang kalokohan nina binay, roxas, poe at santiago.

kung ayaw mo kay duterte, we respect that. but don't call people names when they start to constructively argue with you and you can't answer back knowledgeably.

[dragonking57]

Sino ba iboboto mo ts? Para malaman namin yang pagkatalino mo sa pagpili ng bobotohin.

[etong]

utak medyas talaga halos yung mga deboto ni tandang duterte dito may mga sources na nga at quotes na pwede nilang isearch sa search engine ichachallenge pa rin yung poster kung totoo yung mga quotes at  figures as if parang may ginagawang conspirarcy yung mga tao laban sa sa bobong kandidato nila galing sa davao.   ni hindi nga issue dito kung totoo yung mga quotes at figures unless sa bundok ka nakatira at wala kang alam sa mga current events.

Challenge ba yung request ko?

"I'd agree with you TS if these are authentic but please post the links or references you got this from. "

Tsaka napost mo nga yung photos e, bat di mo pa sinama links? Ikaw ba maniniwala ka agad basta may quotes at photos na pinost dito? Hindi lahat ay marami ang oras para magsearch at i-check kung legit nga mga claims mo.

(May thread ka kasi dati about dun sa montero SUA issue na clinaim mong may kinalaman ang toyota, pero wala ka namang patunay. So wag mo expect na lagi ako maniniwala sayo.)

Ang problema sayo TS, pag hindi ka sangayon o hindi sangayon sa opinion mo ang mga tao, kinakalaban mo. Maging mature sana tayo dito, kung may problema ka sa tao. I-pm mo wag mo awayin at idamay pa pamilya nila.

Anyways, back on-topic. Naprove mong sinungaling si duterte. Good job. Ang tanong sino ang dapat iboto? Ikaw ba TS sino candidate mo?

[bodieph]

BUT, THE POINT BEING addressed here ,davao is nowhere special than any other normal cities sa pinas as opposed to what duterte supporters insinuate, his "kill all" method doesn't work and the killing outweighs the benefit. 20 years na si duterte sa pwesto but his only claim to fame is yung selective killing nya pero pagdating sa mga NPA eh napaka diplomatic nya.

well the initial figures on the table doesn't seem to say that. it is trying to say that davao is actually worse than other cities when in fact, as you can see on the other details on the table it is indeed nothing special. again not sure on the source but it seems the point it was trying to convey is not that davao is the same as other cities but rather it is worse.

also, davao might be the same as other cities based on that table but one cannot deny that it was in the top 5 safest cities in the world as reported by an international site. one can argue about their methodology like how they got their statistics but its there, Davao did rank among the safest cities in the world in their site several times last year (currently Makati [38th] would be the safest in the Philippines as per the same site ranking, followed by valenzuela [50th] then davao [57th])

anyways, its pointless to debate this further as its clear that no amount of info given will change some people's mind about what they think about certain things

[tiberionx]

sabi ni duterte sa debate kasama "daw" kasi jan ang petty crimes kaya mataas ang rate

echoing bodieph's statement that davao city has been ranked 5th sa safest cities in the world