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DXM

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2016, 11:42:51 am »
In the same video he clearly said that he is not condemning the people but the act.. The sin... He did not say " Masahol pa KAYO" sa hayup...

Pandinox

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2016, 10:03:51 pm »
di ako against sa LGBT community pero sobrang OA naman ng reaction nila lalo na si vice at boy. react kaagad ng di ngiisip at di pa ata kumpleto kung napanuod nilang video.

lawrencium

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2016, 11:53:53 pm »
alam niyo ba na ngayon nag sign sila ng 1 million signature campaign para hindi matuloy yung retirement fight ni Pacman,dito lang kita mo na kung gaano sila ka balat sibuyas pero pag yung ibang paniniwala ang ginagawa nilang topic sa mga gay bar ok lang

Redaxel

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2016, 11:56:59 pm »
Still proud of you Manny!

senjuu

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2016, 09:05:50 pm »
Kasi hindi naman lahat nang nasa LGBT ang lumalait kala Pacquiao dati. Yung mangilan ngilan lang na maiiingay. Pero yung comment ni Pacquiao. Nilahat nya.

hindi talaga mkaintindi yung iba na yung kinokondena ni Pacquiao e yung gawain hindi yung mismong mga tao. Typical na reaction yan ng mga guilty eh

Zornhau

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2016, 10:06:56 pm »
hindi talaga mkaintindi yung iba na yung kinokondena ni Pacquiao e yung gawain hindi yung mismong mga tao. Typical na reaction yan ng mga guilty eh

Gays will be gays, lesbians will be lesbians. To condemn the act is to condemn the LGBT community as well. Kaya nga tinawag na homosexual  dahil ang thoughts at actions nila ay ganun. San ka nakakita ng baklang kung mag isip at umarte ay straight? Of course kung ano preference nila, naturally they will follow it and kung ano man ang gusto nilang gawin sa buhay nila ay labas na tayo doon. Regardless of your religious point of view.

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Side note:

What annoys me about this issue is... Bakit ganoon ang mga religiosa? Ano ba direct effect sa personal life nila kung mag karoon ng Same sex marriage? At bakit sila nagpapa apekto, whereas hindi naman sila ang ikakasal? Whereas wala naman kinalaman ang Same sex marriage sa religion. Wala namang copyright ang Kristiyanismo sa kasalan as marriage is as old as civilization itself and predates the rise of Christianity. Hindi naman involved ang Holy Matrimony ng Simbahan dahil ang same sex marriage ay civil wedding.

If you are going to ask me? Nangingi-alam lang ang mga religious heterosexuals sa buhay ng mga LGBTQ+ na tao in an unwelcomed manner. Hindi porque nakasaad na siya sa Bible ay may karapatan na ang isang religioso na hadlangan ang mga pangarap, kaligayan at karapatan ng mga LGBTQ+ na tao. Sabihin man nating "ULTIMATE TRUTH" umano ang Bibliya.

Hindi nila dapat ginagamit ang Bibliya to oppress people who thinks otherwise from their philosophy.

Add the fact na hindi lahat ng members ng LGBT community ay nag susubscribe sa Kristiyanismo and other Abrahamic faiths. I know few of them who are actually ATHEISTS. With that being said, not only homosexuals ang naaagrabyado ng mga religious sa kanilang pag deny ng rights to same sex marriage. Pati narin ang mga taong hindi naman kasapi sa religion nila. Anyare sa demokrasya mo? Yung mga minority mas konti ang rights?

Fucked up right? Imagine mo di ka kasapi sa isang religion pero sila nagdidikta kung pwede kang magpakasal o hindi? Or kung ano man ang rights na i-aaward sayo.

Imagine lang.
Ex.

INC managed to legally ban Dinuguan all over the archipelago. Dahil bawal daw kaninin ang dugo.
Ano feels nyo mga Dinuguan lovers?

_______________________________________

Regarding Same sex marriage and separation of church and state.

Maraming Christian groups and politicians ang nag de-deny sa LGBT community ng Same Sex Marriage. If you are going to base your decision making for government policies using the Bible. Hindi ba't taliwas ito sa diwa ng separation of church and state?

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You know what grinds my gears? When someone uses the words "common sense". Nayayabangan ako. I find Manny condescending sa statement nya na yan that lead to this. Masaklap pa dun. Ang angas na nga ng delivery. Wrong information pa, when he said na mabuti pa ang mga hayop. Wherein matagal ng napatunayan na maraming klase ng hayop ang nag eengage sa homosexual activities.

lawrencium

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2016, 02:51:04 am »

You know what grinds my gears? When someone uses the words "common sense". Nayayabangan ako. I find Manny condescending sa statement nya na yan that lead to this. Masaklap pa dun. Ang angas na nga ng delivery. Wrong information pa, when he said na mabuti pa ang mga hayop. Wherein matagal ng napatunayan na maraming klase ng hayop ang nag eengage sa homosexual activities. - See more at: http://espiya.net/forum/index.php?topic=167656.msg1368769;topicseen#msg1368769

Stating facts is being factual, not condescending.

bigbanggoo

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2016, 09:38:51 am »


INC managed to legally ban Dinuguan all over the archipelago. Dahil bawal daw kaninin ang dugo.
Ano feels nyo mga Dinuguan lovers?



Source?

naruto789544

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2016, 10:27:13 am »
Source?

this is also practiced by my INC friends.... don't know really why but they are not allowed to eat dinuguan...

bigbanggoo

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2016, 10:26:45 pm »
I know INC are not allowed to eat dugo, pero ngayon ko lang narinig na ilegal sa pilipinas ang dinuguan? E Goldilocks nga may tindang dinuguan e.

Zornhau

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2016, 11:28:54 pm »
Source?

My apologies. Mukhang na confuse ko kayo sa pagkakatype ko ng words. I'm trying to set an example. An imaginary setting with that line. To poke thoughts para sa majority sa atin. Na paano kung another group managed to enforce their will on yours?
« Last Edit: February 22, 2016, 11:37:05 pm by Zornhau »

Zornhau

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #61 on: February 22, 2016, 11:35:10 pm »
Stating facts is being factual, not condescending.

The way he delivered the statement is what I find condescending.

"makakakita ka ba ng any animals na lalaki sa lalaki at babae sa babae". - There is nothing factual about this statement.

http://www.yalescientific.org/2012/03/do-animals-exhibit-homosexuality/

Zornhau

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2016, 12:27:54 am »
Source?
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Imagine lang.
Ex.

INC managed to legally ban Dinuguan all over the archipelago. Dahil bawal daw kaninin ang dugo.
Ano feels nyo mga Dinuguan lovers?
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Heto yung buod na dapat binasa mo to make sense of it. Magulo ako mag group ng words. I guess I should have typed it in a way like.. Imagine you are in an alternate world wherein...

chukino

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2016, 12:45:16 am »
My apologies. Mukhang na confuse ko kayo sa pagkakatype ko ng words. I'm trying to set an example. An imaginary setting with that line. To poke thoughts para sa majority sa atin. Na paano kung another group managed to enforce their will on yours?

Well, to me that is foul. You cannot enforce your will to others lalo na kung di mo naman sya kasama sa isang samahan o organisasyon, mabuti man o masama ang layunin mo.

chukino

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2016, 12:59:14 am »
this is also practiced by my INC friends.... don't know really why but they are not allowed to eat dinuguan...

Because blood is life:
Lev 17: -14Sapagka't tungkol sa buhay ng lahat ng laman, ang dugo nga niyan ay gaya rin ng buhay niyan. Kaya't sinabi ko sa mga anak ni Israel, Huwag kayong kakain ng dugo ng anomang laman: sapagka't ang buhay ng buong laman ay ang kaniyang dugo: sinomang kumain niyan ay ihihiwalay...

Zornhau

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2016, 01:09:53 am »
Well, to me that is foul. You cannot enforce your will to others lalo na kung di mo naman sya kasama sa isang samahan o organisasyon, mabuti man o masama ang layunin mo.

Exactly. Put that line of thinking into the Same sex marriage issue. Then see how religious groups argue against and deny the right of marriage to LGBT people here in RP.

chukino

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2016, 02:08:52 am »
Exactly. Put that line of thinking into the Same sex marriage issue. Then see how religious groups argue against and deny the right of marriage to LGBT people here in RP.

I think the religious groups as well as their leaders here in the Philippines are just too lenient about the LGBT issue, maybe because of the so called "human rights" and the "star power" effect. But if you would ask the bible concerning the matter, if every individual proven guilty of wrong doing whether normal/straight or LGBT, they should be put away from that particular organization or group, that is "bahay at tapat ko, linis ko"




bigbanggoo

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2016, 07:15:29 am »
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Imagine lang.
Ex.

INC managed to legally ban Dinuguan all over the archipelago. Dahil bawal daw kaninin ang dugo.
Ano feels nyo mga Dinuguan lovers?
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Ok I get it now pero mukang malaki naman yung pinagkaiba nang situasyon na yan. Kasi pag ganyan pwinepersa mo yung mga tao na maniwala sa sarili mong belief e yung kay pacquaio personal opinyon lang naman nya yun.

Wala naman tayong magagawa kung ayaw nang simbahan na ikasal yun mga bakla kasi bawal sa religion yun. Kung civil marriage naman ang habol nila for legality's sake e diba matagal nang merong civil parnership?

naruto789544

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2016, 12:59:58 pm »
got it also... it was a big "what if"... :)

anyway, times have evolved and the lgbt are accepted mostly by the communities already... the only issue here is that though accepted, there are still areas or things which they cannot enforce due to social and moral issues....

Zornhau

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2016, 11:45:20 pm »
Ok I get it now pero mukang malaki naman yung pinagkaiba nang situasyon na yan. Kasi pag ganyan pwinepersa mo yung mga tao na maniwala sa sarili mong belief e yung kay pacquaio personal opinyon lang naman nya yun.

Wala naman tayong magagawa kung ayaw nang simbahan na ikasal yun mga bakla kasi bawal sa religion yun. Kung civil marriage naman ang habol nila for legality's sake e diba matagal nang merong civil parnership?

When I thought of that analogy, I was thinking of anti LGBT people in general. I guess that was the disconnect. However

"mas masahol pa sa hayop ang tao." Opinion man nya yan, subjective man siya o hindi. Discriminating parin in content ang message nya and it only helped flare anti LGBT sentiments.

Siguro the reason why I am thinking na anti LGBT talaga siya is dahil hindi ako makapag isip ng compromise about his statement na dinescribe nyang masahol pa sa hayop ang LGBT in which binase nya yun sa FAITH and BELIEF nya at the same time sasabihin OPINYON lang yun which is subjective and not necessarily based on facts when he believes for sure na ang Bible (the main resource of his faith) is the ultimate truth?

AFAIK no rights are awarded so far to LGBTQ+ people regarding civil partnerships.


Side note:

Mayroon mga Anti LGBT groups sa loob ng Camara na nag pupush na i amend ang constitution para maging anti LGBT.

mocker

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #70 on: February 26, 2016, 04:29:11 pm »
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senjuu

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #71 on: February 28, 2016, 12:06:35 pm »
Gays will be gays, lesbians will be lesbians. To condemn the act is to condemn the LGBT community as well. Kaya nga tinawag na homosexual  dahil ang thoughts at actions nila ay ganun. San ka nakakita ng baklang kung mag isip at umarte ay straight? Of course kung ano preference nila, naturally they will follow it and kung ano man ang gusto nilang gawin sa buhay nila ay labas na tayo doon. Regardless of your religious point of view.

_______________________________________________________

Side note:

What annoys me about this issue is... Bakit ganoon ang mga religiosa? Ano ba direct effect sa personal life nila kung mag karoon ng Same sex marriage? At bakit sila nagpapa apekto, whereas hindi naman sila ang ikakasal? Whereas wala naman kinalaman ang Same sex marriage sa religion. Wala namang copyright ang Kristiyanismo sa kasalan as marriage is as old as civilization itself and predates the rise of Christianity. Hindi naman involved ang Holy Matrimony ng Simbahan dahil ang same sex marriage ay civil wedding.

If you are going to ask me? Nangingi-alam lang ang mga religious heterosexuals sa buhay ng mga LGBTQ+ na tao in an unwelcomed manner. Hindi porque nakasaad na siya sa Bible ay may karapatan na ang isang religioso na hadlangan ang mga pangarap, kaligayan at karapatan ng mga LGBTQ+ na tao. Sabihin man nating "ULTIMATE TRUTH" umano ang Bibliya.

Hindi nila dapat ginagamit ang Bibliya to oppress people who thinks otherwise from their philosophy.

Add the fact na hindi lahat ng members ng LGBT community ay nag susubscribe sa Kristiyanismo and other Abrahamic faiths. I know few of them who are actually ATHEISTS. With that being said, not only homosexuals ang naaagrabyado ng mga religious sa kanilang pag deny ng rights to same sex marriage. Pati narin ang mga taong hindi naman kasapi sa religion nila. Anyare sa demokrasya mo? Yung mga minority mas konti ang rights?

Fucked up right? Imagine mo di ka kasapi sa isang religion pero sila nagdidikta kung pwede kang magpakasal o hindi? Or kung ano man ang rights na i-aaward sayo.

Imagine lang.
Ex.

INC managed to legally ban Dinuguan all over the archipelago. Dahil bawal daw kaninin ang dugo.
Ano feels nyo mga Dinuguan lovers?

_______________________________________

Regarding Same sex marriage and separation of church and state.

Maraming Christian groups and politicians ang nag de-deny sa LGBT community ng Same Sex Marriage. If you are going to base your decision making for government policies using the Bible. Hindi ba't taliwas ito sa diwa ng separation of church and state?

____________________________________

Last...


You know what grinds my gears? When someone uses the words "common sense". Nayayabangan ako. I find Manny condescending sa statement nya na yan that lead to this. Masaklap pa dun. Ang angas na nga ng delivery. Wrong information pa, when he said na mabuti pa ang mga hayop. Wherein matagal ng napatunayan na maraming klase ng hayop ang nag eengage sa homosexual activities.


Preference ba kamo? Yun lang ba sukatan ng tama at mali? e pano kung preference ng tao makipag relasyon sa bata, kamag-anak, o sa hayop? Tama ba yun kasi yun preference nya?

Gawin nyo kung ano gusto nyo but don't push this to be legalized...wag nyo babuyin isip ng mga susunod na generation.

naruto789544

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #72 on: February 28, 2016, 12:55:43 pm »
bottom line for me is that we are a society bounded by civil and religious laws and values... if we are to forcibly enforce everything by the essence of so called human rights, then everything would be for naught...

Zornhau

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #73 on: March 01, 2016, 11:51:07 pm »

Preference ba kamo? Yun lang ba sukatan ng tama at mali? e pano kung preference ng tao makipag relasyon sa bata, kamag-anak, o sa hayop? Tama ba yun kasi yun preference nya?

Gawin nyo kung ano gusto nyo but don't push this to be legalized...wag nyo babuyin isip ng mga susunod na generation.


Ibalik ko sayo ang tanong mo. Ang preference mo ba over same sex marriage ang sukatan ng tama o mali? Ikaw ba ang dapat mag desisyon sa buhay ng ibang taong hindi sumasang ayon sa pananaw at pilosopiya mo?

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Here are some parts of your statement na I find alarming. Ibinaba mo na sa level ng pedopilya at bestiality ang homosexuality dinescribe mo pa'ng isang kababuyan. Your basis to equate these as equals? I guess I shouldn't be asking...

If there is one thing I regret sa pinost ko is I used the word "preference". I made it sound homosexuality is a choice when apparently it is not.

Zornhau

Re: LGBT vs Pacquiao
« Reply #74 on: March 02, 2016, 10:54:02 pm »

Preference ba kamo? Yun lang ba sukatan ng tama at mali? e pano kung preference ng tao makipag relasyon sa bata, kamag-anak, o sa hayop? Tama ba yun kasi yun preference nya?

Gawin nyo kung ano gusto nyo but don't push this to be legalized...wag nyo babuyin isip ng mga susunod na generation.


I just wanted to add this..

Tama ba ang pakikipag relasyon sa bata? = May result to child abuse at paedophilia so no.

Tama ba ang makipag relasyon sa kamag anak? =  Cousin marriages? Royalty does it so does half of the world. Especially Islamic states. Nagkataong taboo lang talaga satin yan dahil dala ng US noon but we used to practice it. Kung genetics naman ang usapan, scientists say that the risk of disorders is relatively low kapag cousin marriage at 5% compared to 3% of non related. So, it's not really significant.

Tama ba ang makipag relasyon o talik sa hayop? = No of course. It's unhealthy, dangerous both for the human and the animal. Animal abuse.

Tama ba ang makipag relasyon ang babae sa babae o lalaki sa lalaki? = What are the risks? Disadvantages?

"Gawin nyo kung ano gusto nyo but don't push this to be legalized..." - So yeah LGBT people are trying to do what they want to do. Sabi mo eh tapos sa bandang huli don't push this to be legalized haha.

Side note:

Sa mga kasamahan natin na may opinion na kababuyan ang lalaki sa lalaki at babae sa babae. Nanonood ba kayo ng girl to girl movies or Lesbian Porn. Because that's pretty much.... homo.

bottom line for me is that we are a society bounded by civil and religious laws and values... if we are to forcibly enforce everything by the essence of so called human rights, then everything would be for naught...

Hmm.. Religious laws? Meron ba? We are a secular state. The state is not supposed to favor any religion (separation of church and state). Ako ang point of view ko is, hindi yung mga groups na nag pupush ng human rights ang problema eh. Yung mga religious groups ang problema. They are the ones whose pushing their weight on minorities that they don't agree with.