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Re: Presidential Debate at De La Salle University
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2016, 10:44:26 am »
Mawalang galang na din pero lahat naman ng lugar sa pilipinas dumadanas ng ganyan. Hindi lang naman davao ang nakakaranas ng sinasabi mong centralization. Yet nagawa ng ibang bayan na maging mas maunlad pa sa davao. Patunay lang yang sinabi mo sa sinasabi ko na hindi porket safe eh uunlad na.

Also yang federalism na yan. Sa totoo lang wala ako bilib dyan. Ok sana yan kung lahat ng probinsya/rehiyon sa pinas ay may matitinong lider. Kayo siguro sa davao pabor sa inyo yan. Pero pano yung mga corrupt ang namumuno? Eh di para kang nag tapon ng pagong sa tubig. Tapos ano gagawin ni duterte papatayin nya? eh bat si bong revilla gusto nya palabasin muna? Plunder kaso nun tol.

Kaya nga sumisikip ang MANILA dahil sa centralization lahat ng tao sa bansa nag sisiksikan dahil andun lahat ng pinapaunlad and yet kulang ang infrastructure kasi mas kinukurakot ng mga politiko ang pera kung kayo takot sa decentralization para nyo naring sinabi na mas gugustuhin nyong manatili ang ganitong klase na systema sa pinas in walang pagbabago kasi sarado na pag iisip.. Actually yang mga tanong mo about corruption, nasagot na ni duterte yan sa DZMM interview at sa ibang speeches nya im not sure kung nanunuod kayo or kung nanuod man seguro passive kasi nga bias na pag iisip kasi ayaw nyo sa politiko kahit na may magandang solusyon sya para sa iba negative na etc..Hindi kasi traditional si Digong kaya para sa iba na hindi sya kilala parang offensive para sa kanila yung pinapakita nya.. at duon sa patayan naman kahit ilang beses pa na explanation ang gawin nya sa inyo sa mga interviews nya pinipilit nyo parin ang extra judicial killings nya sabi nga ni MDS bakit di sila nag file ng kaso?? let the court decide and provide the evidence.. again babalik na naman sa "wala kaming paki kasi ayaw namin sa kanya" wala namang masama maging open minded pero pag sarado na talaga utak wala na tayong magagawa.. speaking about bong revilla, si mayor isang abogado at naging piskal din, at alam nya na pag mahina ang ebidensya bakit mo e dedetain ang tao kung mahina nga naman ang kaso?? dahil ba putok na putok sa balita?? hindi naman ganyan mag decide ang korte "Ebidensya" palibhasa kasi puro lang headline binabasa natin hindi natin binabasa ang buong article or kung video man hindi natin tinapos na panuorin.. Again I am defending my city kasi I was born here dito narin ako lumaki at mas alam ko ang nangyayari dito, compare davao to other cities na sinasabi mo na mas maunlad pa kuno kesa sa davao except manila and cebu kasi we all know na ever since sa panahon ng kastila at amerikano lahat ng mga bilyonaryo ay nag usbongan jan like the ayalas,lopezes etc.. Davao was a no mans land a killing field during and after martial law not until a DUTERTE came in.. Di naman kami sobrang hirap dito basahin nyo nalang sa mga previous post ko sa business section marami po kaming mga nagsisidatingan na mga infrastructures and businesses dahil sa PEACE AND ORDER na investment ng MAYOR namin.. May State of the Art Steel Industry na kami, may darating na train station, may pagawaan ng barko and more to come kung dati ini-isnub ng mga foreign investors ang city namin ngaun they are lining up..  Wala kang bilib sa FEDERALISM??? well opinion mo yan, so para mo naring sinabi na wala kang bilib sa ibang bansa na pinapatakbo ng FEDERAL FORM OF GOVERNMENT..

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Re: Presidential Debate at De La Salle University
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2016, 11:01:45 am »
digong pa rin.. simply because of " just do it " attitude... kahit ano pa sabihin nyo na mangyayari... kahit ano pa ang statistic ng mga bagay bagay.. kahit mahirap gawin... kahit madaling gawin... kahit maganda ang plano... kung wala rin kamay na mismong gagalaw... wala yan.... puro salita lang...

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Re: Presidential Debate at De La Salle University
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2016, 11:03:42 am »
digong pa rin.. simply because of " just do it " attitude... kahit ano pa sabihin nyo na mangyayari... kahit ano pa ang statistic ng mga bagay bagay.. kahit mahirap gawin... kahit madaling gawin... kahit maganda ang plano... kung wala rin kamay na mismong gagalaw... wala yan.... puro salita lang...

masyado na akong matanda para magpabola sa mga pulitikong walang ginagawa...

pano pag na involve sa frame up ang nanay or anak mo tapos babarilin siya ng deathsquad ni digong sa harapan mo, just do it payag ka?

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Re: Presidential Debate at De La Salle University
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2016, 11:06:09 am »
Ganun ba?? Tsk tsk.. Sa pagkakaalam ko ang davao ay 3x larger than Metro Manila

Incorrect. Davao City is just the 4th after manila, QC and Caloocan. Ngayon kung sa buong metro manila mo icocompare e di mas malaki ang agwat. For someone who loves to post "information" about how good Duterte is, you need to get your fact straight. Unless of course you are referring to the whole of Davao which doesn't make sense since Duterte only controls Davao City.

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Re: Presidential Debate at De La Salle University
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2016, 11:09:42 am »
Kaya nga sumisikip ang MANILA dahil sa centralization lahat ng tao sa bansa nag sisiksikan dahil andun lahat ng pinapaunlad and yet kulang ang infrastructure kasi mas kinukurakot ng mga politiko ang pera kung kayo takot sa decentralization para nyo naring sinabi na mas gugustuhin nyong manatili ang ganitong klase na systema sa pinas in walang pagbabago kasi sarado na pag iisip.. Actually yang mga tanong mo about corruption, nasagot na ni duterte yan sa DZMM interview at sa ibang speeches nya im not sure kung nanunuod kayo or kung nanuod man seguro passive kasi nga bias na pag iisip kasi ayaw nyo sa politiko kahit na may magandang solusyon sya para sa iba negative na etc..Hindi kasi traditional si Digong kaya para sa iba na hindi sya kilala parang offensive para sa kanila yung pinapakita nya.. at duon sa patayan naman kahit ilang beses pa na explanation ang gawin nya sa inyo sa mga interviews nya pinipilit nyo parin ang extra judicial killings nya sabi nga ni MDS bakit di sila nag file ng kaso?? let the court decide and provide the evidence.. again babalik na naman sa "wala kaming paki kasi ayaw namin sa kanya" wala namang masama maging open minded pero pag sarado na talaga utak wala na tayong magagawa.. speaking about bong revilla, si mayor isang abogado at naging piskal din, at alam nya na pag mahina ang ebidensya bakit mo e dedetain ang tao kung mahina nga naman ang kaso?? dahil ba putok na putok sa balita?? hindi naman ganyan mag decide ang korte "Ebidensya" palibhasa kasi puro lang headline binabasa natin hindi natin binabasa ang buong article or kung video man hindi natin tinapos na panuorin.. Again I am defending my city kasi I was born here dito narin ako lumaki at mas alam ko ang nangyayari dito, compare davao to other cities na sinasabi mo na mas maunlad pa kuno kesa sa davao except manila and cebu kasi we all know na ever since sa panahon ng kastila at amerikano lahat ng mga bilyonaryo ay nag usbongan jan like the ayalas,lopezes etc.. Davao was a no mans land a killing field during and after martial law not until a DUTERTE came in.. Di naman kami sobrang hirap dito basahin nyo nalang sa mga previous post ko sa business section marami po kaming mga nagsisidatingan na mga infrastructures and businesses dahil sa PEACE AND ORDER na investment ng MAYOR namin.. May State of the Art Steel Industry na kami, may darating na train station, may pagawaan ng barko and more to come kung dati ini-isnub ng mga foreign investors ang city namin ngaun they are lining up..  Wala kang bilib sa FEDERALISM??? well opinion mo yan, so para mo naring sinabi na wala kang bilib sa ibang bansa na pinapatakbo ng FEDERAL FORM OF GOVERNMENT..

Hindi mo ba binasa yung link sa unang comment ko? Sabi sa article na yun mas maunlad pa daw ang zamboanga at cdo kesa davao eh.

Wala ako bilib sa federalisim dahil wala ako bilib sa mga taong nakaupo sa pwesto. Again. Ok yan kung lahat matino. Kaso hindi eh. Kabaliktaran. Karamihan ulupong. So pano na? Papatayin lahat ni duterte? Mag rerebulusyon? Lol.

About Bong naman. Yes, siguro nga mahina ebidensya. Lagi naman ganun eh. Pag mga pulitiko ang sangkot laging may lusot. Pero taga davao ka. Ako taga region 4. Mas malapit ako sa cavite kesa sayo. Malamang mas madami akong kilalang taga cavite at mas may alam ako tungkol sa nangyayari doon kesa sayo. Eto lang masasabi ko. Hindi malinis a pamilya revilla. Common knowledge na yan dito. Yun ba ang mga uri ng tao na bibigyan mo ng kapangyarihan sa systemang federalism. Eh di lalo namula hasang ng mga hinayupak na yan.

Ikaw open minded ka ba? Hindi kaya sarado narin ang isip mo dahil maka duterte ka? As, Ive said. Dati gusto ko si duterte. Bilib ako sa nagawa nya sa davao eh. Pero now nawawalan ako ng gana sa kanya.. Si mirriam nalng siguro iboboto ko. Pero parang wala naman pag asa manalo yun so nakakatamad ng bumoto.

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Re: Presidential Debate at De La Salle University
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2016, 11:13:52 am »
Incorrect. Davao City is just the 4th after manila, QC and Caloocan. Ngayon kung sa buong metro manila mo icocompare e di mas malaki ang agwat. For someone who loves to post "information" about how good Duterte is, you need to get your fact straight. Unless of course you are referring to the whole of Davao which doesn't make sense since Duterte only controls Davao City.

Courtesy of GOOGLE...

Davao City
Area: 2,444 km²

Quezon City
166.2 km²

Caloocan
55.8 km²

Manila
638.6 km²

I know my facts, I am not sure if you understood.. Mas malaki po ang Davao City sa Metro Manila when it comes to LAND AREA which means mas malaki ang nasasakupan kumpara sa ibang syudad sa pinas..

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Re: Presidential Debate at De La Salle University
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2016, 11:14:49 am »
The funny thing about Duterte supporters is that most of them are like INC members. They call us "close minded" when they themselves are close minded. They spread all the good things Duterte does and defend it like their life but when it comes to the bad ones they either change the topic or go the route of "ah basta Duterte kami". Now there is nothing wrong with that. Supporters will support their candidate of course, but calling others close minded when they themselves are, is like the pot calling the kettle black.

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Re: Presidential Debate at De La Salle University
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2016, 11:18:08 am »
Courtesy of GOOGLE...

Davao City
Area: 2,444 km²

Quezon City
166.2 km²

Caloocan
55.8 km²

Manila
638.6 km²

I know my facts, I am not sure if you understood.. Mas malaki po ang Davao City sa Metro Manila when it comes to LAND AREA which means mas malaki ang nasasakupan kumpara sa ibang syudad sa pinas..
You are aware that when it comes to measuring progress and management, population is the basis and not land area right? Anyone who has a decent grasp of economics know this. Just like how China is the biggest country in the world right now.

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Re: Presidential Debate at De La Salle University
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2016, 11:21:30 am »
Also IIRC the entire Metro Manila is only around 600 sq km and being based in Metro Manila I know for a fact that QC has a bigger land area than Manila so google failed you because based on what you listed Metro Manila would be around 1k sq km if you include the other cities.

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Re: Presidential Debate at De La Salle University
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2016, 11:23:59 am »
pano pag na involve sa frame up ang nanay or anak mo tapos babarilin siya ng deathsquad ni digong sa harapan mo, just do it payag ka?
paano kung may bumagsak ng comet sa mundo at nabura ang pilipinas?

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Re: Presidential Debate at De La Salle University
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2016, 11:39:31 am »
whoa... madugo na pala sagutan dito... anyway, let us all be civil with each other and just support whoever we want... basta ako, i'm for mirriam-bongbong...

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Re: Presidential Debate at De La Salle University
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2016, 01:20:24 pm »
Duterte hmmmpp...

I have not chosen a candidate yet, so I  think  I can give a neutral point of view.

First the person, of all the candidates, Duterte has more will power in implenting policies Davao. On the other hand, his indecisiveness and very straightforward approach could put the whole country in jeopardy internationally.

Second the platform of government. My view in federalism, Philippine is not ready in terms of financial,  infrastructure,  security, health and welfare,  education and  to cut this short in all aspects. The reason is that not all regions in the country are progressive or developed enough. Dividing  the wealth from the taxes can only hinder progression of national projects, where some of rural regions mostly rely for development. Although, Duterte's promised/will try to eradicate or minimize (I am assured that he will do it if he wins) government corruption, illegal drugs, crimes and poverty. He also ensures tranparency and good governance.

Third the party/political supporters/allies. We all know what happened to the Santiago, Marcos, the Poes, the Estradas, Villar, Enrile, Revilla, and Arroyo. We know who are the main movers in each political party of each candidates. The question is who has the most arsenals at their disposal. PDP-LABAN is one of the prominent political party, but not a well rooted party. NPC, LIBERAL and UNA are back by big businessmen which  have wide branches of business in the country, but mostly their headquarters are in Metro Manila(a subtle hint why PDP-LABAN prefers federalism).

All in all, its not about the platform or personality it all boils down to the political party and it's supporters.

To cut this confusion short its all about CAPITALISM.

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Re: Presidential Debate at De La Salle University
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2016, 05:42:32 pm »
eto statistics from http://www.nscb.gov.ph/activestats/psgc/listcity.asp

so yes mali yung binigay na figure for manila (in terms of land area) but as you can also see from that list (which shows that yes in terms of population, Davao is 4th and it is first in terms of land area), the density of people is very very high in metro manila. so that would support the argument of some here that kaya mataas ang popuplation ng manila is because andun lahat ng opportunities, which is true. people flock to metro manila because they think andun ang opportunities.

and as mentioned by someone else in this thread, just a chance at changing the system might be worth it. it could be the change the country needs. perhaps federalism will help decongest the high density of people in metro manila. that would benefit everyone in the long run.

but of course in any system, it will always depend on the people running it. federalism is good in a way that the provinces (assuming it is divided by provinces and not by some other method) with good management will be able to grow more and those with bad management will be left behind. in the current system, every city gets more or less the same slice of the pie (as one of the people here called it)



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Re: Presidential Debate at De La Salle University
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2016, 07:39:58 pm »
Duterte is offering a new kind of leadership. Point taken dun sa mga negative na ibinato niyo sa kaniya pero so far, mas may patutunguhan ang bansa para sakin kung siya ang mananalo kumpara sa mga ibang kandidato dahil gusto ko ng pagbabago sa sistema. Wala naman kasing bago sa mga ibang kandidato, alam naman nating di na gumagana ang ganoong pamamaraan.

Unless makapagbigay kayo ng mas worthy candidate, i'm all ears mga ka-espiya. Karamihan kasi puro negative ang nababasa ko. Ang thread na ito ay debate para sa LAHAT ng presidential candidate, magbigay naman kayo ng opinion doon sa gusto niyo hindi lang dun sa ayaw niyo OR kung talagang gusto niyo lang manira, do it on all candidates :P

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