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GUSTO MO NG ALL OUT WAR? Basa muna.
« on: January 29, 2015, 05:02:27 pm »


Sharing this post by VETERAN Filipino war correspondent Ed Lingao, who have witnessed and been through countless wars.
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As the morning sun burned away the mists over Central Mindanao, forty-two flag-draped caskets were lined up on the tarmac of the Cotabato City airport for the long, last flight home. When the mournful sound of taps rolled out from two buglers, a hush descended on the asembled crowd. Moments like these, amidst hundreds of other people, amidst the growing outcry for blood, one suddenly feels all alone.

A lot has already been written and said about Mamaspano and what Sunday's tragedy should mean to all of us. Most of it alarming. Many are calling for justice, and rightly so. But here, the nuancing is important. Justice means accountability and fairness, a reckoning for errors and mistakes. Justice does not mean revenge, as some have called for. And it most certainly does not mean bloodlust. Do we blame the fighters, or do we blame the decision makers? We have read all sorts of posts from people who demand all-out war, who say "ubusin na ang mga iyan," "you can not trust their kind," and then bravely thrust an uplifted finger at the peace talks. Our favorite president, and i do not bother to hide the sarcasm here, repeated his old quotable quote - kung hindi madala sa sntong dasalan, idaan sa Santong paspasan.

Please, please, bother to listen to all sides before you give in to the emotions of the moment. Please, please read more about what really happened. And please, please, know what you are asking for because you just might get it. When real warriors die, keyboard warriors sometimes rise from their armchairs, wave the flag, call out the troops, and then grumble about internet service. So why didn't the MILF stop firing when they found out they were engaging government forces? Veterans from both sides of the conflict will tell you that it is always easier to start a battle than to end one, in the same way it takes greater courage to end a war than to start one. When two forces are locked in heated combat, there is little time to think beyond how to overwhelm the enemy. We have seen this many times over, in so many examples that we should have learned from in the past.

Allow me to show you some insights from my friends.

Dana Batnag: "I know rational, reasonable people, are willing to sacrifice the peace talks now, without finding out more what led to the killing in the first place. So many are asking for blood, instead of facts. Let us have war, if you must. But may that war come to your doorsteps first. And when thousands die, I will remember your names and point my finger at you and say, as you weep for your homes and your loved ones and the peace that once was, YOU WANTED THIS."

Samira Gutoc-Tomawis: " So many peace protectors, but who will investigate and guard against peace spoilers, war investors, conspirators. When it only takes a few seconds of reporting to destroy the gains of hundreds of hours of sleepless nights into documents."

Stella Estremera: "And the non-mindanaoans are calling for war... ehem. kayo kaya gyerahin namin? try mo lang."

Ayrie Ching: "Gusto mo ng "all-out war?" Ipaghiganti ang mga PNP-SAF at iba pang mga pwersa ng gobyerno -- "mga bayani" -- na namatay sa kamay ng mga "Muslim rebels"?
Sige, pero ito naman ang gusto ko: Gusto ko 'yang gyerang hinihingi mo ay sa probinsya mo mangyari, sa mga sulok ng bansang ito kung saan ka may minahal o minamahal, at sana mangyari ito sa oras na hindi mo inaasahan -- isang Linggo nang umaga kung kailan naghahandang pumunta ng misa, isang Biyernes nang gabi habang nagbibihis para sa isang gimik, isang Miyerkules nang madaling araw at sa kalaliman ng pahinga. Sinasabi ko sa iyo, hindi mo gusto ng giyera. Gusto mo lang ng giyera kung malayo ito sa iyo at patuloy kang makakapamuhay nang walang takot kung aabutin mo pa ang umaga."
I couldn't have said it better.

Photo: Ed Lingao while covering war in the Middle East.
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2015, 08:37:28 am »
Very well said brother.  Many are just very vocal about all-out-war because they are not the ones who will be at the fronline of it, neither on the tailend of its demise.  Yes 44 SAF has fallen, yet they want to see another hundreds of the like follow their caskets just because they are "brave" enough to declare war while sitting on their tables and trying to be "in" social networking site.  You will never know war unless you experienced it.

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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2015, 08:46:12 am »
Bakit hindi yung mga taong bayan din na nasa mindanao ang gumawa din ng paraan para dalhin sa hustisya ang mga dapat managot at ng manumbalik ang pagtitiwala ng lahat sa "peace talks" ? napapansin ko parepareho ang sinasabi nila na kung bakit di natin subukan na magkaron ng giyera sa atin at ng maramdaman natin ang nararamdaman nila. Tama naman sinasabi nila lahat naman siguro ng civilized na mga nilalang ay ayaw ng giyera bukod dun sa mga gusto nito para sa kapangyarihan at pangkurakot. Ang gusto ko malaman bakit di nila ilabas ang mga impormasyon hinggil sa kanilang lugar para maituro ang mga dapat managot? Kung nakatira ka sa isang lugar alam mo naman ang mga tsismis at kuro kuro kung sino ang gumagawa ng kalokohan gaya ng mga namumuno sa lugar.

Alam natin mahirap gawin pero ang balita ay madali nang maiparating gamit ang social media. Bakit di niya ihayag ang mga pinagtataguan ng mga guerilla para mahuli at malupig sila ng wala masyadong dumadaloy na dugo. Ano ba ang dahilan nila? takot ba sila na malaman? sadyang di nila pinapakelaman ang mga pangyayari? o sadyang sang-ayon sila sa mga galawang nangyayari kaya sila ay nananatiling tahimik at tila tumutulong pa para maitago ang mga nagkasala.

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2015, 08:47:32 am »
Exactly right.  This time cooler heads should prevail.  The peace talks needs to continue.  Mahirap makipag usap ng maayos pag may putukan ng nangyayari.  As for the 44 SAF members and their families, let's keep them in our prayers.  They have made the ultimate sacrifice and gave their lives.  Now everybody needs to stay calm, cool, and their thoughts collected.  Walang kalalabasan na maganda ang all out war.  Like the old saying goes, two wrongs do not make a right.  God Bless.
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2015, 09:34:37 am »
Ang tanong eh pagpasa ba ng BBL, matatapos na ba talaga ang kaguluhan at patayan? malalaman natin.

siguradong hindi naman uusad yung kaso niyan. Ampatuan nga nakatengga pa rin hanggang ngayon

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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2015, 09:43:33 am »
Lumipas na ang ilang araw, kung sincere ang MILF sa sinasabi nilang peace talks ay dapat gumawa na sila ng hakbang para mabigyan ng katarungan ang mga nasawi at ng bumalik ang tiwala sa hinihiling nilang kapayapaan. Pati ang mga baril na ninakaw sa mga sundalo ay hindi binalik at wala naman silang ginagawa kung hindi magbigay lang ng statement na pakikiramay. Sino ba naman ang tatahimik sa ganyang ugali? Para lang silang nangloloko at ginagamit lang ang peace talks para makapagipon at makagawa na naman ng panibagong opensiba.

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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2015, 09:58:24 am »
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2015, 10:01:49 am »
Yan mismo yung weakness na ineexploit nang mga teroristang yan nang ilang dekada na kaya hanggang ngayon naghahasik pa din sila nang lagim. Dapat kasi tinuloy na yung all out war ni erap dati. Yun lang yung maganda nyang nagawa e.

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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2015, 01:39:46 pm »


Sharing this post by VETERAN Filipino war correspondent Ed Lingao, who have witnessed and been through countless wars.
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As the morning sun burned away the mists over Central Mindanao, forty-two flag-draped caskets were lined up on the tarmac of the Cotabato City airport for the long, last flight home. When the mournful sound of taps rolled out from two buglers, a hush descended on the asembled crowd. Moments like these, amidst hundreds of other people, amidst the growing outcry for blood, one suddenly feels all alone.

A lot has already been written and said about Mamaspano and what Sunday's tragedy should mean to all of us. Most of it alarming. Many are calling for justice, and rightly so. But here, the nuancing is important. Justice means accountability and fairness, a reckoning for errors and mistakes. Justice does not mean revenge, as some have called for. And it most certainly does not mean bloodlust. Do we blame the fighters, or do we blame the decision makers? We have read all sorts of posts from people who demand all-out war, who say "ubusin na ang mga iyan," "you can not trust their kind," and then bravely thrust an uplifted finger at the peace talks. Our favorite president, and i do not bother to hide the sarcasm here, repeated his old quotable quote - kung hindi madala sa sntong dasalan, idaan sa Santong paspasan.

Please, please, bother to listen to all sides before you give in to the emotions of the moment. Please, please read more about what really happened. And please, please, know what you are asking for because you just might get it. When real warriors die, keyboard warriors sometimes rise from their armchairs, wave the flag, call out the troops, and then grumble about internet service. So why didn't the MILF stop firing when they found out they were engaging government forces? Veterans from both sides of the conflict will tell you that it is always easier to start a battle than to end one, in the same way it takes greater courage to end a war than to start one. When two forces are locked in heated combat, there is little time to think beyond how to overwhelm the enemy. We have seen this many times over, in so many examples that we should have learned from in the past.

Allow me to show you some insights from my friends.

Dana Batnag: "I know rational, reasonable people, are willing to sacrifice the peace talks now, without finding out more what led to the killing in the first place. So many are asking for blood, instead of facts. Let us have war, if you must. But may that war come to your doorsteps first. And when thousands die, I will remember your names and point my finger at you and say, as you weep for your homes and your loved ones and the peace that once was, YOU WANTED THIS."

Samira Gutoc-Tomawis: " So many peace protectors, but who will investigate and guard against peace spoilers, war investors, conspirators. When it only takes a few seconds of reporting to destroy the gains of hundreds of hours of sleepless nights into documents."

Stella Estremera: "And the non-mindanaoans are calling for war... ehem. kayo kaya gyerahin namin? try mo lang."

Ayrie Ching: "Gusto mo ng "all-out war?" Ipaghiganti ang mga PNP-SAF at iba pang mga pwersa ng gobyerno -- "mga bayani" -- na namatay sa kamay ng mga "Muslim rebels"?
Sige, pero ito naman ang gusto ko: Gusto ko 'yang gyerang hinihingi mo ay sa probinsya mo mangyari, sa mga sulok ng bansang ito kung saan ka may minahal o minamahal, at sana mangyari ito sa oras na hindi mo inaasahan -- isang Linggo nang umaga kung kailan naghahandang pumunta ng misa, isang Biyernes nang gabi habang nagbibihis para sa isang gimik, isang Miyerkules nang madaling araw at sa kalaliman ng pahinga. Sinasabi ko sa iyo, hindi mo gusto ng giyera. Gusto mo lang ng giyera kung malayo ito sa iyo at patuloy kang makakapamuhay nang walang takot kung aabutin mo pa ang umaga."
I couldn't have said it better.

Photo: Ed Lingao while covering war in the Middle East.

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2015, 01:47:34 pm »
nandun na tayo na gusto nating lahat ng kapayapaan sa mindanao, pero pagkatapos ba maipasa ang BBL at magkasundo ang gobyerno sa MILF wala ng susunod na faction na lalaban uli sa gobyerno at hihingi uli ng "piece of the pie" o parte ng mindanao? Noon MNLF, ngayon MILF, sa susunod BIFF naman ba? kawawa nman yung nakakaraming mga kristiyano orihinal na taga mindanao na  walang baril o grupo. unti unti naipapamigay ang mindanao sa mga rebeldeng nangugulo ng kapayapaan.  :(

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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2015, 04:47:00 pm »
Ah amputa ALL OUT WAR pa rin kahit saan sa probinsiya namin sa bahay namin mangyari kahit sa kwarto ko pa mangyari

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2015, 11:42:48 pm »
so what do you want proceed with the peace process?ok after tha bangsamoro region dont you think this people behind this group would not declare separate state instead latter? tsk tsk come to think of it di nmn lht ng nsa mindanao e mga muslim madami din ang kristyano dyan...if they are really sincere with the peace process dpt alam nila during the encounter na tropang pamahalaan ang pumasok sa area nila at binabanatan nila. alangan BIFF ang binabanatan nila...tropa ng pamahalaan kung saan sila nkikipag usap ng kapayapaan ang kinalaban  nla. imposible na di nila alam na may wanted na itinatago ang BIFF malapit sa lugar nila e mag kakamag anak nga sila dib?imposibleng di nila alam since magkalapit ang kampo nila..kaso imbes na sila ang umawat sa BIFF at SAF  sila pa nag reinforce sa BIFF...amp!hindi ganun ang nangyari at sana naiwasan pa ang massacre na ginawa sa SAF44...isa pa kung sinsero sila sa usapang kapayapaan di nila dinesecrate ang mga namatay na sundalo kaso ninakawan pa nila ng gamit at armas...kung di man sila ang gumawa nun sana sinabihan man lng nila ang BIFF na wag ng galawin pa ang mga bangkay pero pag sundalo ang gumawa nuon sa mga namatay na muslim magwawala mga iyan...tsk tsk tpos ayaw nyo ng "all out war?" ang mindanao ay di lang para sa mga muslim ito ay para sa lahat ng pilipino...

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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2015, 01:11:10 am »
This passage from a popular fantasy novel was all that came to my mind while mulling over this matter.

"It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill him when he had the chance."

"Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play yet, for good or ill before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many."

"I wish The Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had ever happened."

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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2015, 05:00:54 am »
lahat mali ang tungkol sa usaping ito..

may mali sa side ng SAF at sa pamunuan nito sa di pagsunod ng GPH-MILF agreements of cessation of hostilities,may mali sa di nila pakikipag-coordinate kahit sa militar man lang(nakakapagduda kung anu ba talaga ang hidden agenda nila at kahit sa military wala silang koordinasyun).

may mali sa MI for harboring a terrorist and not respecting the casualties.parang walang kontrol ang pamunuan nila sa kanilang forces.

mali ang aquino administration sa pag-aakalang basta-basta na lang nila matatapos ang problimang pang-kapayapaan sa mindanao..mali ang niluluto nilang BBL di yan ang solution, mali na sa MI lang sila nakikipag-usap at di nila isinama ang ibang grupo.

at maling-mali ang mga tao sa mga kumento,reaksyun nila na wala naman talaga sila sa affected area,wala silang alam maliban sa kung anung ipinapakita sa kanila sa tv..

maling-mali ang mga suggestion niyo na all-out war im sure kahit kelan di kayo nakaranas ng gira kunting putukan nga sa mall nagkakandarapa nga kayo sa pagtakbo,wag kayong ganyan di kayo ang maapektuhan pag nagkaroon ng all-out war. at saka anung in-expect nyo magiging resulta ng all-out war hehe you really think na after nga ng war, after ng huling tunog ng baril ay mawawala din ang problema?

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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2015, 09:38:19 am »
let us see first the result of the investigation... the BBL can wait for a while after the results... let's see if both sides are really sincere in the quest for peace in mindanao...

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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2015, 11:32:36 am »
After an out war by Erap. And after the capture of all MNLF camps, Mindanao became more peaceful. Business become more lucrative. Wonder why became second ni Pnoy last election? Where did Erap get those votes? In Mindanao my friends! The people of Mindanao had spoken for themselves.

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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2015, 11:50:08 am »
Isa lang ang nakikita kung solusyon jan... Kunin lahat ng Civilian sa mindanao at ilipat sa isang ligtas na lugar saka magdeclare ng all out war, tingnan na lang natin ang mangyayari...
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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2015, 11:56:14 am »
In war there is always collateral damage.

Kailan pa matitigil ang kaguluhang ito kung hindi tatapusin ang dapat tapusin huwag respetuhin ang mga kriminal lusubin na yan.

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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2015, 12:10:46 pm »
heres an interesting speech..


Vladimir Putin’s speech – SHORTEST SPEECH EVER

On August 04, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:

“In Russia, live like Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, it should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, and live the life of Muslim’s then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law.

“Russia does not need Muslim minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation.

The Muslims are taking over those countries and they will not take over Russia. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of Sharia Law and Muslims.

“When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the Russian national interest first, observing that the Muslims Minorities Are Not Russians.”

The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.

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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2015, 03:03:28 pm »
Hinde Peace talk ang kasagutan diyan, remember ilang dekada na nag kakaroon ng mga peace talks pero anung nangyayari?

sinu ba sila para mag dikta sa gobyerno natin sa mga gusto nilang gawin? hinde sila pwede gumawa ng sarili nilang batas dahil sakop pa rin sila ng Republika ng Pilipinas

ang dami nang mga islamic armed groups na nag lalabasan lahat sila may mga kanya kanyang interest at mga demands sa gobyerno natin..

ang Gobyerno ng Pilipinas hinde dapat makinig sa mga grupo na ito at mag paloko dahil karamihan sa kanila sangkot sa mga iligal na gawain!

to start with this is not an exclusive attack to all muslims that all muslims are bad, there are good and bad christians, muslims and non believers everywhere you go.

However When dealing with Islamic armed groups our common citizen  including the government should know and must be warned that Islam is Dualistic in nature...

 Islamic ethics : For Believer (Muslim) and Non Believer (Kafir) but when applied they are both right.

kaya our government should be very careful

-they have Dualistic ethics
-no golden rule
-taqiyya (sacred deceit)

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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2015, 01:58:54 pm »
heres an interesting speech..


Vladimir Putin’s speech – SHORTEST SPEECH EVER

On August 04, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:

“In Russia, live like Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, it should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, and live the life of Muslim’s then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law.

“Russia does not need Muslim minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation.

The Muslims are taking over those countries and they will not take over Russia. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of Sharia Law and Muslims.

“When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the Russian national interest first, observing that the Muslims Minorities Are Not Russians.”

The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.

Bearing in mind that a lot of the politicians in the Duma are allied with Vladimir Putin, that speech was pretty much a case of preaching to the choir.
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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2015, 01:35:38 am »
Dapat din tandaan, hindi lang naman ang MNLF/MILF ang puno't dulo ng kaguluhan sa Mindanao.  Andyan din ang mga warlords na naghahari-harian sa kanya kanyang bayan at probinsya.  Maari nga sabihin na may rebelde dahil sa kahirapan ng dala ng mga warlords na ito.  So, sa akin lang, walang totoong "total war" kung hindi rin lang i-a-address ang issue ng iba pang armed groups sa Mindanao outside of the MILF.

Ang wari ko, wala pang gobyerno ang talagang nag-attempt na i-control ang mga warlords na ito, kabilang na ang mga Dimaporo nung panahon pa ni Marcos, hanggang sa mga Ampatuan at iba pa sa panahon natin ngayon.

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Re: GUSTO MO NG ALL OUT WAR? Basa muna.
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2015, 11:24:09 pm »
 hindi ko alam kung blessing in disguise ang nagyari pero dahil dito nakita ang di dapat makita, lumabas din lalo ang pagkaincompetence ni Pnoy hindi sa kasalanan niya ang lahat pero kung paano niya hinandle ang issue.

ang problema dito MILF lang ang kinakausap sa peace talks at alam naman natin na doble kara yan, pwedeng BIFF tapos pwedeng MILF. Tinanong ni Erwin Tulfo kung ano ba gagawin ng MILF kung maipasa ang BIFF, walang maisagot ang MILF kung di kusa na lang daw sasam sa kanila yan.

Tapos sa mga tulad naman ni Cayetano at Trillanes, napakainsignificant na ginagawa nila, lalao na si Cayetano na ngayon ay puro kontra at nag co-author pa tapos ngayon kokontrahin niya? di ba niya binasa yun bago siya magco-author?

Hindi maalis ng All out war yang mga terrorist group na yan kasi magdidisperse lang yan tapos pagpalit ng panibagong admin hindi naman itutuloy kaya walang saysay at sayang lang sa pera at oras. Kay mas maganda subukan ngayon ang federal government eh

it ain't over. . .till its over