Topic: 392 SAf in clash - all accounted for!!!

[TobleRONe]

Sa  mga hindi pa nakaka-alam. 392 SAf personnel ang nandoon.

akala ko pa naman, covert op ang nangyari na a few selected SAF ang pumasok para kunin si Marwan, yung pala 392!

The 392 members of the elite Special Action Force (SAF) who figured in clashes with the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters (BIFF) in Mamasapano, Maguindanao last Sunday are all accounted for – including those who were killed and wounded, Interior and Local Government Secretary Manuel Roxas II said yesterday.

source: https://ph.news.yahoo.com/392-saf-officers-biff-clash-000000880.html

when first i heard of this sa news (400daw), akala ko namali ako ng pagkakadinig, tama pala.

kung MILF ako, iisipin ko nilulusob na kami. isang batalyon na SAF ang nandoon.

Sa dami nilang iyon, ineexpect nilang hindi sila madedetect ng MILF? Sablay nagplano ng OP na ito.

Kung hindi man sablay, sa umpisa pa lang ine-expect na nila ang mabigat na ratratan/bakbakan kaya ganyan kadami ang ipinadala.

[smasher02]

agree ako sa yo bro..

watch this video overkill pa ginawa sa kanila https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t85YIBqQHgI&x-yt-ts=1422503916&x-yt-cl=85027636

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t85YIBqQHgI&x-yt-ts=1422503916&x-yt-cl=85027636[/youtube]

[bodieph]

nabasa niyo ba yung sabi ng SAF commander in an interview? he said hindi raw nila pinagalam sa ibang units para raw secreto yung operation, even comparing the operation to the operation to kill osama bin laden in pakistan. yun daw dahilan bakit hindi sila nagpaalam. pero sa dami ba naman ng involved, how on earth did he expect that operation to be covert. yung operation to kill osama bin laden involved less than 10% of the SAF people in the operation so yeah they could pull off a covert operation

pero close to 400 men pulling off a covert operation? in the interview he also admitted he was ordered by the president to coordinate with the military to make it a joint operation kaso apparently the SAF thought they could pull it off on their own. close to 400 men sent into an enemy camp, men who weren't familiar with the area (gensan daw galing ang karamihan ng mga SAF troops in the operation), and no support. sabi ng military they were ready to support but they had no idea where to go, walang alam ang military kung saan ang bakbakan. naririnig ang bakbakan kaya nagready ng support troops ang military but they had no choice but to wait for more information

pati nga si Roxas and OIC PNP chief Espina hindi nga alam ang operation eh. si Purisima pa ang may alam na suspended siya. nagalit nga si Roxas nung malaman niya but he was calm when he was asked questions from the SAF commander. hindi ko matandaan ang exact words but it went along the lines of "I am the SILG (secretary of interior and local government), you are under me and yet I was not aware. was it part of the directive to ignore the SILG?"

read this on two stories from inquirer newspaper yesterday

[praeto_RYAN]

My heart bleeds for the family of the fallen SAF operators.  As a kid back then, barely two years of age, growing with just my mom around because my dad is one of the many casualties of this never-ending war in our beloved country, images of the "massacre" bring back sad memories of that event.  I just do hope the truth comes out with regards this incident.  I do hope no whitewash ever occurs to keep the clean clothes of those in power remain untainted.

We, as a nation, should be one in mourning for all those deceased SAF members.  This is not just an assault to the unit of PNP but also our sense of being humane and accepting whatever crap those who speak up want to shove in our throat.  Kawawang mga SAF, sila na namatay, marami pang may opinyon na kasalanan nila ang nangyari sa kanila.  Following the command responsibility mindframe, who then ordered such a suicide mission? 

[kenji_kulet]

I didnt have time to watch the news on GMA pinoy tv due to my busy work schedule , I am not aware na close to 400 ang SAF ang nada Area of Operation

Pero Wow close to 400 on a covert operation? Yeah its not that fishy at all

[Ilonggo-by-blood]

 


sa totoo lang I have cried twice in this event! Justice sana makakmit ng mga nasawi!

[TobleRONe]

i have my doubts na magkakaroon ng justice. from what i've heard sa news parang lumalabas na akala ng MILF, BIFF yung binabanatan nila.

Nang mareliaze nila (MILF) na Govt forces yung kalaban nila saka lang daw tumigil sa pagpapaputok. that was 10 hours ng barilan at nang dumating yung represantative nila from the peace panel.

another interview naman saying "maaga pa lang meron ng ceasefire order. hindi lang daw magkarinigan kaya nagpatuloy ng 10 hours. hindi naman daw lahat may CP para makontak". naisip ko na lang WTF na klase ng reasoning iyon, para bang sinasabi nila na both sides walang radyo para ipasa yung orders na tumigil na sa pagpapaputok.

another news says meron daw intel from US forces na nandoon nga raw sa area si Marwan kaya nagkaroon ng operation. Kung meron US forces na involved siguradong merong mataas na tao sa Govt na nakakaalam at nagbigay ng go signal.

sa totoo lang nakakalungkot yung news na ito. kung si Ilonggo 2x naiyak, ako yata, hindi lumalagpas ang araw na hindi ako naiiyak sa nangyari mula ng malaman ko. this day alone 2x, first nang magbreak down ang reporter ng GMA at Hirap na hirap pigilan na huwag maiyak while reporting live. 2nd was this afternoon while reading the eulogy sa net.

Rest in peace. sana nga may justice.

[RoeNoz]

Eto ang personal observation ko sa situation na to. Una hindi talaga gusto ng SAF ang reward dyan sa terrorist na yan. Kasi kung ma huli man yan o ma KIA, hindi naman ang reward maibigay sa mga member ng PNP/AFP na kasama sa Operation. Siguro ang plan ng ng Gov't is gaya ng Operation ng Navy Seals sa pag huli kay Osama. Kaso ang mali nila, na underestimate nila ang mga kalaban kaya ganun ang nangyari, plus wala din air support. Hindi gaya nun sa US na pag plan nila eh may F16 sila na backup kung sakali mo retaliate ang Pakistan Airforce.

Hindi rin ako maniniwala na di alam ni Roxas yan. Unang tanong, ano nga ba talaga ang ginagawa ni Mar sa Maguindanao? I think ang ginagawa nya is to confirm kung sakali naging ok ang resulta ng mission. Sya ang mag sabi sa pangulo ng ganito. Tipong pang election na kasi yan ni Mar.

Kung napansin nyo na marami nga ang member ng SAF kasi naka station yan sila sa iba't ibang place, parang blocking force kung sakali. Kaya di sila lahat naka sali dun sa actual na putukan. Ang iba din di na din maka re-enforce kasi baka ma misencounter na nila kasama nila.

Di rin ako naniniwala na akala ng MILF na BIFF ang kalaban nila kasi parang wala pa akong narinig na nagka encounter ang MILF o anuman mga breakaway group ng mga forces dyan sa Maguindanao, Sulu, o Zamboanga. At kung di nga nila intentionally na ganun ang mangyari eh OVERKILL naman ang ginawa nila.

Kung justice lang hintayin ng mga Government Forces dyan, eh kalimutan na lang nila, kasi HINDING, HINDI magkaron ng justice sa mga ganyan. Isipin nyo, kung may justice na ba talaga sa Masacre din sa maguindanao. Yan lang ang opinyon ko.

Naawa ako sa mga nag sacrifice dito. Kung matalino ang nag plan nito, hindi to ganito ang ending. Kaso mali talaga.

[naruto789544]

let us just hope that the truth shall come out... there have been many reports and accounts on what really happened... for the ones who are doing the report, please don't make this another maguindanao massacre...

[kenji_kulet]

The chain of command needs to be change

its funny iniisip ako yung isang MILF may hawak na cellphone habang nakikipag barilan , imposibleng wala silang shortwave radio

[BlueAlphaZero]

If  the MILF knew that the BIFF was giving aid and assistance to a terrorist, why didn't they try to take him into custody themselves? That's their territory and there are supposed to be kinsmen in both groups so couldn't they have sat down and talked about it like reasonable people? Then the MILF might have been able to score PR points (at the very least) by handing the terrorist over to the government.

[praeto_RYAN]

Ang mga amo at opisyal na Hindi nagtratrabaho, biglang naharap MAGLABA at MAGLINIS ah!  Mahirap kasi madungisan ang mga malilinis nilang damit at bahay eh. 

Daming tanong na Hindi nasasagot at pilit Lang na iniiwasan.  Can't blame the widow for not facing the president, not even speaking to him, when they were presented with the medal.  Tumulo rin luha ko dun sa asawa na karga yung anak niya tapos hinawakan nung bata yung kabaong ng tatay niya.  We are probably of the same age then when my dad passed away.  I barely have any recollection of that incident, but seeing, experiencing the aftermath - mom crying occasionally at night, etc. - well you get the picture. 

[praeto_RYAN]

I imagine the one who called the shots for this mission just finished watching the film zero dark thirty and suddenly got inspired to give a green light to a mission that really had no finality to it with regards tactics, etc.  Bahala na si Batman!

[bodieph]

the plot thickens. according to the army report, only 77 SAF were engaged in the firefight with the remaining 300 or so "just sitting around" in the street. the report further mentioned that the SAF refused to go with them into the marshland to reinforce those engaged in the firefight. it was only at around 7PM when the SAF moved and helped with the retrieval operations. furthermore, on Jan 26 around 3AM, there was an altercation between the SAF commander Napeñas and Maj. Gen. Pangilinan (the head of the infantry division in the area) as Napeñas wanted to resume retrieval operations later. Pangilinan furious tells him "Goddamit, those are your people but you are pressing me to get them." The army did not stop its operations until 2PM by which time they found one survivor P02 Lalan and brings him back to headquarters where there he angrily kicks one of his comrades and demanded why no reinforcement was sent to support the two SAF units as planned.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/671126/mamasapano-clash-what-happened-according-to-the-military
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/671128/mamasapano-clash-what-happened-according-to-then-saf-chief-getulio-napenas
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/671123/mamasapano-clash-what-happened-according-to-president-aquino

[Ilonggo-by-blood]

the plot thickens. according to the army report, only 77 SAF were engaged in the firefight with the remaining 300 or so "just sitting around" in the street. the report further mentioned that the SAF refused to go with them into the marshland to reinforce those engaged in the firefight. it was only at around 7PM when the SAF moved and helped with the retrieval operations. furthermore, on Jan 26 around 3AM, there was an altercation between the SAF commander Napeñas and Maj. Gen. Pangilinan (the head of the infantry division in the area) as Napeñas wanted to resume retrieval operations later. Pangilinan furious tells him "Goddamit, those are your people but you are pressing me to get them." The army did not stop its operations until 2PM by which time they found one survivor P02 Lalan and brings him back to headquarters where there he angrily kicks one of his comrades and demanded why no reinforcement was sent to support the two SAF units as planned.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/671126/mamasapano-clash-what-happened-according-to-the-military
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/671128/mamasapano-clash-what-happened-according-to-then-saf-chief-getulio-napenas
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/671123/mamasapano-clash-what-happened-according-to-president-aquino

sabi ko nga eh this was my Theory all along! Makikita mo naman sa TV na andoon yung kasamang 300 na SAF kulang na lang utos na go ahead reinforce. Bakit? Hmm... Hindi naman pwedeng sabihin ni Gen. Pangilinan na kami lalaban para sa tropa mo kayu anu?

[TobleRONe]

sa pagkakaexplain nga nila (PNP/Napenas) staggered yung location ng SAF, every 2 kilometers ang layo ng bawat company.

ang sinasabi ng army, hindi nila alam ang exact location. kaya hindi mabigayan ng cover artillery fire.

kung ganoon ang sitwasyon bakit hindi na lang i-order ni Napenas yung remaining SAF to reinforce, 300+ nakatunganga lang sa highway.

or baka naman may nag-order kay Napenas na stand down, hintayin ang reinforcement from the army?

marami pa rin mga tanong. pero sa nakikita ko kay Napenas lahat isisisi. Malamang siya ituturong rason kung bakit namatay ang Fallen44

[naruto789544]

and the finger pointing will go on and on and on... shades of energizer...

[kenji_kulet]

  I might sound like an a-hole or stupid for this comment but

hear me out , I have a fishy stinky feeling about the SAF "Lone Survivor" Story is a big BS

Marcus Luttrell the Original Lone Survivor got wounded , shot many times , empty all his magazines

Trained SEAL , Marcus didn't fight 8 men in a CQC using a knife ---yes he is a sniper too

pero seriously 8 men who's trying to get your sniper rifle , pero napatay mo lahat using a knife?

[BlueAlphaZero]

I might sound like an a-hole or stupid for this comment but

hear me out , I have a fishy stinky feeling about the SAF "Lone Survivor" Story is a big BS

Marcus Luttrell the Original Lone Survivor got wounded , shot many times , empty all his magazines

Trained SEAL , Marcus didn't fight 8 men in a CQC using a knife ---yes he is a sniper too

pero seriously 8 men who's trying to get your sniper rifle , pero napatay mo lahat using a knife?

To be fair, there's always the possibility that he could be very good with a knife. Maybe he grew up getting into knife fights in his neighborhood or something like that.

Or--as the extremely cynical part of me suspects--he might have pulled a "Bowe Bergdahl-ian" move in order to keep his hide intact. 

[praeto_RYAN]

Finger-pointing all around, sisihin ang ibang tao para lang mailigtas ang sarili sa kaso.

Pero pano pag successful ang misyon, si Napenas din lang ba ang aako sa mga parangal or "sisingitan" siya ni Purisima, et al?!?  Sorry peeps, just an advice, not an order!

[kenji_kulet]

Finger-pointing all around, sisihin ang ibang tao para lang mailigtas ang sarili sa kaso.

Pero pano pag successful ang misyon, si Napenas din lang ba ang aako sa mga parangal or "sisingitan" siya ni Purisima, et al?!?  Sorry peeps, just an advice, not an order!

so true . . . lahat nag tuturuan na sino ang may mali 

[BlueAlphaZero]

so true . . . lahat nag tuturuan na sino ang may mali 

Say, mon ami -- how come it seems like in the U.S. the general public never really learns about a special operation until long after the fact (whether it succeeded or not) and how come it seems like nobody ever demands that the president step down whenever American troops suffer casualties in combat?

[kenji_kulet]

Say, mon ami -- how come it seems like in the U.S. the general public never really learns about a special operation until long after the fact (whether it succeeded or not) and how come it seems like nobody ever demands that the president step down whenever American troops suffer casualties in combat?

because they kept it in secret like Operation Neptune Spear aka the Bin Laden Raid plus the higher ranking officials are the only person knows about what kind of operation will happen

everyone knows that UBL is alive but where? not until they execute the OP right after months of training and lts and lots of intel

they do ask the President to step down speciallty those people who dont likes war but being a soldier here is more likely a family tradition so patriotism runs first on their blood

[garp0692]

Yung suspended nga na mayor ee mas madaming saf ang nag bantay unarmed pa ung huhulihin. Anong klaseng meron government tayo???

[mocker]

Kahit bihisa ang SAF sa mga trainings at halos lahat ng plano sa pakikipaglaban ang alam nila, eh ibang iba na ito kumpara sa totoong laban na, human instinct pa din ang mangingibabaw jan at syempre knowing the fact na madami ang kalaban nila at short range lang ang distansiya ng barilan wala na silang plano na magagawa kundi ang iniisip na lang nila paano makatakas para mabuhay...

Sa pagkaintindi q masama ang loob ng militar sa SAF kasi nga tsaka na lang nila pinaalam na may operation nung halos paubos na ang SAF troops, tsaka hindi aq naniniwala na walang update ang Presidente sa mga nangyayari siya nga ang nagmiting kay Napenas at Purisima sa malakanyang eh!!! Sa nakikita q wala naman talagang hangad ang Panot na Pangulo na sundin ang tuwid na daan nung nangangampanya pa lang sia kasi maski sa mga sinasabi niyang paliwanag alam mung puro kasinungalingan ang sinasabi niya...

Napaka klaro na binalewala ang chain of command kasi bakit mo isasama sa secret meeting ang isang suspendidong tao?? Yun ang dapat ipaliwanag ng Presidente??

 Di kaya may traidor din sa mga hanay ng SAF?? kasi sabi mostly na involve sa operation na yun taga mindanao baka kasi malay natin may mga kapamilya din ang mga iyon na kasamahan din ng BIFF or MILF, syempre ipapaalam mo na may operation para ma-aware sila kaya ... Di ba ninyo napansin masyado naman yatang prepared ang MILF para makapwesto ng tama at mapatay lahat ng 44 SAF commandos...

Sa huli, para sa akin all-out war na para hanggat maaga pa lang ma-neutralize na kahit anong terorista sa Mindanao...