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Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« on: July 22, 2013, 08:31:43 pm »
May nakapagtry na po ba sa atin ng Internet Cafe Diskless Setup?

Okay po ba sya?



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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 08:34:12 pm »
are you planning to build one? may kakilala ako gumagawa neto mga taga TipidPc sila

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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2013, 09:09:31 pm »
Nakita ko na rin yung sa TPC. Tanong-tanong muna ako dito kung may nakasubok na ng ganun dito.
May Internet Cafe kasi ako ngaun pero di nakadiskless.

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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2013, 09:13:51 pm »
anong diskless?  ;D sensya na eng-eng eh hehehe

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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2013, 09:24:00 pm »
uu nga anu nga un?? parang bago ung ah interesting.. sana may mag explain
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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2013, 09:33:01 pm »
anong diskless?  ;D sensya na eng-eng eh hehehe
Kung di ako nagkakamali, iyon yata yun parang isang system unit lang ang meron ka. Then lahat na ng client eh dun nalang magbo-boot sa server na yun through network. Kaya diskless kasi walang HDD yung mga client.
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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2013, 09:38:13 pm »
ah oki tnx!

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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2013, 09:39:40 pm »
Eto po copy paste.

A diskless workstation or PC on a local-area network (LAN) is a computer system that does not have its own disk. Instead, it stores files on a network file server.This type of system uses network booting to load the operating system, but it does contain its own main components including the CPU, RAM, video, sound and network adapter.Diskless workstations can reduce the overall cost of a LAN because one large-capacity disk drive is usually less expensive than several low-capacity drives. In addition, diskless workstations can simplify backups and security because all files are in one place -- on the file server. Also, accessing data from a large remote file server is often faster than accessing data from a small local storage device. One disadvantage of diskless workstations, however, is that they are useless if the network fails.

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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2013, 09:45:37 pm »
hmm how can i describe this.. eto ung tinatawag na thin client.. kumbaga eh maraming pc sharing one desktop pc..
and kung papaano makakakuha ng space ng harddrive ung mga client pc is kumukha sila via disk quotation na dinedeploy from the main server...

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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2013, 09:55:50 pm »
Magandang mag setup ng ganito kung server grade (kahit hindi actual na server) yung gagamitin. Pero kung hindi low cost workstation lang (common PC setup) eh papahirapan mo lang ang mga customer mo. Isa na rin ma-stress ka lang sa reklamo galing sa customer mo.

Make sure na hindi gumapang yung setup mo in case na i-push thru mo ang pag built na ganitong system. Usually mabilis ito pax Linux ang ginamit mo konti lang kasi ang resources na kailangan. Unlike Windows medyo mas mabigat ng konti.

Dapat prepared ka sa Disk at Network setup mo, i plan mong mabuti.

Downside lang nito is single point of failure. Pag nasira yung server eh nga-nga ka na lang.

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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2013, 10:00:24 pm »
meron ako narinig nito, marami kasi kabarkada ko na may internet cafe.
according to theme parang di maganda ang ganyang set-up.baka magkaproblema sa IP ng isang workstation to another, ewan ko lng kung pano i-setup ang ganito.
heres my question about dickless setup.
kung maglalaro ka kaya ng LOL, or DOTA2 di kaya magkakaproblema sa pumapasok na IP sa bawat player?
i mean isang mother CPU lng ksi pinanggagalingan nya.
can someone enlighten us more?
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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2013, 10:03:09 pm »
meron ako narinig nito, marami kasi kabarkada ko na may internet cafe.
according to theme parang di maganda ang ganyang set-up.baka magkaproblema sa IP ng isang workstation to another, ewan ko lng kung pano i-setup ang ganito.
heres my question about dickless setup.
kung maglalaro ka kaya ng LOL, or DOTA2 di kaya magkakaproblema sa pumapasok na IP sa bawat player?
i mean isang mother CPU lng ksi pinanggagalingan nya.
can someone enlighten us more?

IP can be assigned per MAC Address, paano magkaka conflict yung kung maayos naman ang setup ng DHCP server mo?

Eto ang karamihan na ginagamit - http://www.ccboot.com/diskless-boot.htm
« Last Edit: July 22, 2013, 10:05:57 pm by Telesforo »

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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2013, 10:12:55 pm »
meron akong setup na ganito dito sa company naman, using Ncomputing L300 Device, yan ang kailangan for Diskless Setup.

PROS:

- Tipid talaga sya.
- Just need to purchase only monitors, mouse/keyboard and the Ncomputing device (cheaper kumpara sa bibili ka ng whole cpu setup).
- Running through network lang sya
- Madali yung pag-setup.
- easy to deploy parang plug and play ka na lang

CONS:

- Pag nasira yung server or network mo, damay lahat
- Kailangan mo mag-invest ng Server Grade CPU, depende kung ilang workstation gagamitin mo, kung ordinary pc lang gagawin as server, tapos me 20 units ka...goodluck na lang!

actually its very cost-effective, pero ginagamit ko lang eto dun sa business center namin which is 3 units lang. ayoko din kasi i-risk yung mga users ko na staff ng company kasi pag nag-down lahat sila nga-nga!  ;) ;)

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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2013, 11:00:01 pm »
Pero ang alam ko, dapat naka-SSD ang main server para solid parin ang takbo ng mga client units. Pero sobrang mahal ng SSD  ??? ??? ???

At saka pagkaka-alam ko rin, ganun parin naman ang setup ng IP Address bawat client unit. Ang pinag-kaiba lang, yung mga client unit na to, walang HDD, lahat ng storage nasa Server PC, kaya lahat ng applications at software dun lahat magra-run sa server. Kaya dapat naka SSD ang main server para stable din ang speed ng bawat client PC. Yun po ang pagkaka-alam ko sa Diskless. Correct me na lang po if I'm wrong...
« Last Edit: July 22, 2013, 11:06:30 pm by Extra Rice »

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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2013, 04:49:22 am »
meron akong setup na ganito dito sa company naman, using Ncomputing L300 Device, yan ang kailangan for Diskless Setup.

PROS:

- Tipid talaga sya.
- Just need to purchase only monitors, mouse/keyboard and the Ncomputing device (cheaper kumpara sa bibili ka ng whole cpu setup).
- Running through network lang sya
- Madali yung pag-setup.
- easy to deploy parang plug and play ka na lang

CONS:

- Pag nasira yung server or network mo, damay lahat
- Kailangan mo mag-invest ng Server Grade CPU, depende kung ilang workstation gagamitin mo, kung ordinary pc lang gagawin as server, tapos me 20 units ka...goodluck na lang!

actually its very cost-effective, pero ginagamit ko lang eto dun sa business center namin which is 3 units lang. ayoko din kasi i-risk yung mga users ko na staff ng company kasi pag nag-down lahat sila nga-nga!  ;) ;)

 the Ncomputing device?? sir bawat unit meron CPU(Processor, Mboard., ram, powersupply etc.)... wala lang ito Hard drive... ang pinaka hard drive niya ay nasa server na... naka ganito na setup ng shop ko...wala naman problema so far.. advantage nito.. isa lang mamaintenance mo yung server lang isa lang rin ang eh papatch mo.. isa lang rin na license ng OS at mga games at application..

dag dag ko lang gigabyte lan na ang gamit dito...

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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2013, 06:31:28 am »
iba po yung thinclient-ncomputing,etc..,,,  kasi dependent po lahat sa capacity ng server..paghahatihatian ng mga clients ang resources ng server.. such as cpu..memory..etc.. yung diskless kasi.. meron sariling cpu,memory,...yung hdd lang nasa server, kumbaga yung image nito... planning to install sa isa naming lab.. plano namin 120 units.. hehehe.. same sa aming libraries.. madali lang kasi maintenance..

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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2013, 08:33:44 am »
dapat hanapin mong board eh yung supported yung LAN Boot. meron itong 2 major disadvantage.

1. Pag nasira yung main Disk mo(server) offline ang negosyo mo.
2. kadalasan sa mga ganitong setup, e pang office lang. why? kapag marami na ang nag aaccess sa mga application like games, nagiging mabagal yung runtime nya in other words laggy. Sometimes mabagal mag open ang mga application kapag meron ng gumagamit.

advantage:
1. Low cost. (makakatipid ka ng 2,000 to 3,000 pesos per unit)
2. bawas ng konti sa kuryente. (yung pag access ng system sa local harddrive e nag cconsume din ng kuryente)
3. Madali ang maintenance(back up ng files kung office clients)

Note: kung meron kang 10 Unit, makakatipid ka ng 30,000 pesos sa hardrive palang, PERO need mo syempre ng Data Server (dito mo kasi kukunin lahat ng application mo) mostly, di yan ginagamit or tinatawag ding NAS (Network Attached Storage) tapos iba pa yung setup ng cafe server mo (yung may cafe timer if balak mo maglagay ng ganun.)

in other words ang bilang ng UNIT mo ay magiging 10+1+1.(10 workstations, 1 data server(NAS), 1 server for Cafe wares).

hope makatulong sayo to brod.
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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2013, 09:53:23 am »
nakadiskless ako sir...ka uupgrade ko lng nitong june...ok naman sya...pag may bo updates na games, isang update tas update na lahat.... malis sya kasi nka ssd ung diskless server ko at kahit sa clients ko ung bilis ng ssd nkukuha per pc...magastos nga lang...inabot server ko ng 30k good for 20 units...then need pa gigabit router..wew, saket  bulsa haha...

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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2013, 10:55:10 am »
nakadiskless ako sir...ka uupgrade ko lng nitong june...ok naman sya...pag may bo updates na games, isang update tas update na lahat.... malis sya kasi nka ssd ung diskless server ko at kahit sa clients ko ung bilis ng ssd nkukuha per pc...magastos nga lang...inabot server ko ng 30k good for 20 units...then need pa gigabit router..wew, saket  bulsa haha...

see... akala lang nila makaka mura sila sa diskless server. (pero in long run dahil sa electric consumption medyo okay sya)

pero pwede na rin kasi kung 30k lang inabot mo sa NAS mo, tipid pa rin ng 30k sa hard disk. pero kung 10 units lang ang workstation mo, parang ganun lang din.

yung diskless server mo sir or NAS mo, iba pa yan sa client server mo di ba. o yan na rin ginagamit mong pang client server?
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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2013, 01:50:09 pm »
madugo toh pag nasira kung main server is only one disk at all users including server itself.
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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2013, 01:58:51 pm »
madugo toh pag nasira kung main server is only one disk at all users including server itself.

yung iba meron extra na 2 HDD. isang for emergency back up at isang image drive use for immediate restoration. bale 3 ang HDD na nakalagay.
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Re: Internet Cafe Diskless Setup
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2013, 11:38:16 pm »
see... akala lang nila makaka mura sila sa diskless server. (pero in long run dahil sa electric consumption medyo okay sya)

pero pwede na rin kasi kung 30k lang inabot mo sa NAS mo, tipid pa rin ng 30k sa hard disk. pero kung 10 units lang ang workstation mo, parang ganun lang din.

yung diskless server mo sir or NAS mo, iba pa yan sa client server mo di ba. o yan na rin ginagamit mong pang client server?

yes sir, iba pa rin yung timer ko...yung timer ko with hdd with sariling OS... pero connected sa network kasi pag nakadiskless ka, naka set kasi lahat ng client na freeze state like deep freeze... specs ng diskless ko. 128 ssd, 2x 500gb caviar blue (one for back up pag nagka problem) at 2 tb wd caviar black...for files, games and apps... pwede naman 1tb pero games ko kasi madami hd games..ang 1tb puno na hehe...invest ka pa good UPS ...