Topic: Ustadz Ahmad Barcelon - Balik Islam

[Idiot]

lahat na mga propeta na binabanggit sa bibliya at Koran ay may mga milagrong nanagawa.... but by the finger of God (sa kagustuhan ng Diyos)

milagro bang patayin ni mohammed ang mga taga-mecca median at arabia kung peace ang tinuturo nya or dinagdagan lang ng mga sumunod sa kanya

kaya ang paniniwala ng mga muslim na ang ibang relihyon ay maling relihyon.. bakit pa magpapaturo sa maling relihyon? para iligaw? eh mismong nasa loob ng ibang relihiyon eh watak watak at kanya kanyang pamamaraan...

pero wala din pinag-kaiba sa muslim sunni versus shia watak watak so mali din pala turo ng islam kase watak watak kayo

[budotukmol]

walang maling relihiyon.
merong maling luncheon meat.

[kursonada]

milagro bang patayin ni mohammed ang mga taga-mecca median at arabia kung peace ang tinuturo nya or dinagdagan lang ng mga sumunod sa kanya

pero wala din pinag-kaiba sa muslim sunni versus shia watak watak so mali din pala turo ng islam kase watak watak kayo

Idiot pasensya na po pero pareho tayo ng pananaw dati tungkol sa history ng Islam. Yun din ang akala ko na pinatay ni Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) ang mga taga Mecca para ma kuha nya ito pero nang pinag aralan ko nang malapitan ang Islam hindi pala ganun ang nangyari. He ordered no one will be harmed. It was a bloodless capture. What he did was smashed the idols into the ground and restored the worship of One God. Dati po ako Kristiyano na tumiligsa sa Islam. Na intindihan kita. Advice ko po sayo pag aralan mo ang Islam in Islamic sources. You will end up enlightened gaya ng pinag daanan ko.

Ang mga Shia po kay katulad ng mga katoliko na sumasamba at nag darasal sa mga imam nila. Hindi po ganun ang mga Sunni.

Ang Sunni at Shia ay di magkapareho tulad ng INC at katoliko na di rin mag ka pareho.

Peace!!! Shalom!!! Salam!!!

[budotukmol]

sir kursonada gaya mo sana yung iba kung mag explain. pinapaliwanag lang kung paano, bakit, kelan at saan. ang mga pinagkaiba at katulad. hindi naghahanap agad ng kamalian ng. kung tutousin lahat naman tayo ay nagkakamali at nagkakasala.

[budotukmol]

dagdag ko pa sir kursonada. may sapat ka na talagang kaalaman dahil youre explaining from your heart and use your own words.

[kursonada]

sir kursonada gaya mo sana yung iba kung mag explain. pinapaliwanag lang kung paano, bakit, kelan at saan. ang mga pinagkaiba at katulad. hindi naghahanap agad ng kamalian ng. kung tutousin lahat naman tayo ay nagkakamali at nagkakasala.

Alam mo kapatid kung e explain ko lahat naku talagang kulangin po ang post dito sa espiya. I just posted those important logical points. Kaya I encourage you guys to study on your own para walang bias. Naku believe me you will be amazed by the teaching of islam.

You can search debates and teachings by Zakir Naik, Ahmed Deedat, Shabir Ally, Jamal Badawi VS Christian Evangelists and Scholars. You will be the judge.

At saka kapatid di rin kasi ako mahilig mang insulto kasi dati din akong Kristiyano tulad ninyo so I always avoid hurting our Christian brethren.

Basta ito sasabihin ko kapatid. Islam is the world's most misunderstood religion and in contrast it become the world's fastest growing religion. I am one of the contributor of that growth. Alhamidullah!

"Ye shall seek the truth and the truth shall set you free" - John 8:32

So hanapin mo ang katotohanan kapatid at ikaw na mag pasya kung anong daan ang tatahakin mo. Salamat.

Sumasa inyo ang kapayapaan!

[kursonada]

dagdag ko pa sir kursonada. may sapat ka na talagang kaalaman dahil youre explaining from your heart and use your own words.

Brother di po ako nag iimbento pasensya na po. Di po galing sa puso ko yun kasi di naman ako nanging emotional sa mga post ko. Eto nalang siguro kapatid. You can post enumerated questions about Islam at pag sikapan ko pong sasagutin isa isa with authentic sources po para din po makita ninyo na I'm not using my heart to answer questions.

Gaya nag naka sulat sa Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?"

Therefore di po maganda yung explaining from the heart na sinasabi mo. Pasensya na if you were offended sa mga post ko pero that is not my intention.

Salam!!!

[kursonada]

These are not my own words po. This is how the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) conquered Makkah (Mecca). Panooring nyo nalang mga Kapatid. This is from an authentic Islamic source.

When the Muslims went to conquer Makkah and fight against the disbelievers who used to kill the muslims, the Non-Muslims were scared to see such a big Army of Allah and Muhammad (S.A.W) and ran out of the way. At that time muslims had the power to bloodshed and take the revenge of all the misdeeds done by the disbelievers. But NO!! Muhammad (S.A.W) forgave everyone. As a result of which a complete city along with the hearts of millions of people were conquered by Muhammad (S.A.W) and therefore all the people of Makkah embraced Islam and became true muslims and never did any sins in their lives ever again.

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[2fear!]

alhamdulillah... salamat sa iyo bro kursonada.. medyo pagod na rin akong mag xplain.. atleast mas magandang sa iyo galing ang xplaination kasi dati ka ring taga tuligsa sa islam.. atleast marelated nila ang explanation mo...


marami tayong explaination.. kaso kung ayaw intindihin.. wala talaga... astagfirullah!

alam naman natin kung ano intention  ng tanong nila...

basta islam.. terorista agad pumapasok sa utak nila... samantalang... bawal na bawal sa islam ang terorista...

kaya nga mas maganda alamin yan kung nasa loob ka na nang islam para ma appreciate ang islam
 

[kursonada]

alhamdulillah... salamat sa iyo bro kursonada.. medyo pagod na rin akong mag xplain.. atleast mas magandang sa iyo galing ang xplaination kasi dati ka ring taga tuligsa sa islam.. atleast marelated nila ang explanation mo...


marami tayong explaination.. kaso kung ayaw intindihin.. wala talaga... astagfirullah!

alam naman natin kung ano intention  ng tanong nila...

basta islam.. terorista agad pumapasok sa utak nila... samantalang... bawal na bawal sa islam ang terorista...

kaya nga mas maganda alamin yan kung nasa loob ka na nang islam para ma appreciate ang islam
 

Salamat din brod 2fear. Kung bigyan lang nila ng panahon pag aralan ang Islam ma liwanagan din sila. They are basing their knowledge in the media na hindi talaga accurate. Bayaan nalang natin sila brod pero kung may mga specific silang mga tanong handa tayong sagutin ng punto por punto. Pero kung sarado na talaga ang mga utak nila, wala na po tayong ma gagawa doon.

I will leave them with an a verse from Surat Al-Maidah 5:32

"Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors."

Islam is totally against killing of innocent beings. Islam is against terrorism.

Salam!!!

[valtobs]

bakit when we hear the word muslim (islam) ay may galit na tayung nararamdaman.

for me the reason is..although not every muslims are bad but the bad ones are bringing there religion in shame,
everytime they do bad deeds they use there religion and say kill in the name of ........
kung hindi lang sana nila ginaganyan religion nila ay hindi sila kamumuhian ng iba.
I know some muslims and my brother in law is muslim too but he does not act like
others think and I also know one from zamboanga which I was amazed how his
mother welcome us to there home. And in malaysia, they are very kind and friendly
muslims, I hope our muslim brothers in the philippines will be like them.

to those crazy muslims, don't bring your religion into shame coz I believe that there is
no such religion that teaches killings.

It is the people and its culture that do this hideous things, they are just making excuses by using there religion.

Yes there are a lot of crazy christians too but they are not shouting kill in the name of..... everytime they
do this crazy things.

[Ibilam_pogi]

alam mo tol pag pina pa explain ko yan sa mga kaibigan kong muslim  nililihis nila yung usapan o kaya malayo sa sagot nila yung tanong ko sana ma explain ng mga ka espiya natin kung Islamic way ba to o hinde?

akalain mo yun nagconvert ng christian pinugutan ng ulo hay nako

[Ibilam_pogi]

paring 2 fear nangyari narin dito sa pinas na kapwa natin muslim nagpugot ng ulo sa catholiko hindi mga sunni muslim yun

mayroon din ako kaibigan lalo na sa ampatuan na lugar talaga daw ginagawa yan

mukhang wala na si islam way.. out na ata...

ako sasagot.. are sure na sunni muslim gumawa nyan?

magpakita ka nga ng katuruan sa islam kung pwede bang gawin yan?

isa yan sa pamamaraan para siraan ang sunni muslim... dahil ang mga shia ay galit sa sunni muslim..

mas maniniwala pa ako na magagawa yan ng mga shia... dahil ang shia ay isang kulto.. kumakain ng tae ng imam nila or nakakataas nila...

meron nga dati na balita... nasunog ang halos buong bayan dahil sa pagputok ng nadisgrasya na na gas tanker....

ano lumabas na balita? sunni daw nagsunog sa mga tao...

eh lalo na yang website na yan.. walang kribilidad... pag aralan muna ang sunni islam...

meron akong kaibigan pre... pwede nyong tawagan o magtanong tungkol sa islam...

isa syang dating katoliko.. na naging pastor at ngayun ay naging islamic propagator...

makikita mo number nya sa baba ng video...

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yes... 200 years matanda ang islam kay sa kristyano dito sa pinas...

13th century dumating ang islam dito sa pinas... samantalang ang mga kastila ay dumating lang noong 15th century...

nasa kanta pa nga yun ni yoyoy villame...

[aktibista]

paring 2 fear nangyari narin dito sa pinas na kapwa natin muslim nagpugot ng ulo sa catholiko hindi mga sunni muslim yun

mayroon din ako kaibigan lalo na sa ampatuan na lugar talaga daw ginagawa yan

pareng 2fear paano naman yung abu sayaf na pinupugutan nila ng ulo yung mga bihag nila? i dont think mga shia muslims sila

[budotukmol]

going back to the topic na balik islam. do you agree ba na hindi islam ang original religion ng pilipinas? actually its animism. some religions under in this belief system are shinto, hinduism, paganism and others. most of these religions don't have a mortal founder. being close to nature and universe is somewhat common to them.

islam is not new to me. i have a muslim tita. hi-school and college muslim classmates and just recently a dutch muslim friend. most of these muslim friends i have agree on one thing. it would be only chaotic for a muslim place if the locals will mix islam with their culture and tradition. and not to mention politics. with that it will now become confusing what they are really fighting for that one thing lead to another already.

[Idiot]

oo nga kapag pumapatay sila para kay allah

unlike sa christian di namin dinadamay si Jesus kaya pumapatay sila may reason

unlike sa muslim kapag namatay sila martyr sila sa paningin ni allah at may birhen pa silang madatdatnan sa langit

[kursonada]

Mga kapatid it seems na mejo mataas na rin ang discussions natin. I would suggest that you enumerate your questions and as a Muslim convert from Christianity, I and perhaps brod 2fear would answer them one by one para po maliwanag.

Meanwhile here is Quranic verses I would like to share:

Allah says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]

Salam!!!!

[budotukmol]

sori pala sir kusonada. para pala sayo yung huling post ko para mabalik tayo sa topic na balik islam.

[kursonada]

sori pala sir kusonada. para pala sayo yung huling post ko para mabalik tayo sa topic na balik islam.

Brod budotukmol ang Balik Islam is not only applied for Filipinos. The term Islam Revert is internationally used for those who embraced Islam. Now the question is why use the term "Revert" more than convert?

Muslims believe that all are created to worship the one Creator God kaya lang we later became animist (worships the creation and not the creator), polytheist (worship of many Gods), Human worship (saints, monarchy) etc.

ISLAM simply means peace and submission to the will of the creator. We view Christians as polytheist since they worship Jesus(PBUH) and the Holy Spirit as two of the other Gods in the Trinity. When a Christian convert to Islam we call them "Reverts" since they reverted back to the old ways and worship the one true God.

"You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below." Exodus 20:3-4

For animists, still the same thing. When they embrace Islam they no longer worship the creation (fire, sun, tree, rock, wind, anito etc) but the Creator and submit to his will. They are now called Islam Reverts, translated to tagalog Balik Islam. Ganyan ang nangyayari sa ating mga ninuno since they were animists.

Kaya lang ng sinakop tayo ng mga Kastila we were forced to convert to Christianity. When they reached our shores they called the people Moro since pareho daw sa mga naka engkwentro nila sa bansang Morocco. In fact ang Maynila ay bayan ng mga Muslim. Nang na sakop ng mga Kastila ang Manila tinayo nila ang Intramuros na ibig sabihin sa kastila ay "within the Moros" sa kadahilanan na sa lugar mismo ng mga Moro nila yung tinayo.

If you have more question brother I will be very happy to answer.

Peace!!! Shalom!!! Salam

[budotukmol]

very well said mr. kursonada. i think it will only go back to original state if gods themselves will resolve their own issues. God forgive me if i say politics really started in heaven. christians may just want to play safe with regards to holy trinity. even the other religions have so called holy triad and some others that is also pertaining to a three persona. im sure youve also studied other religions and their scriptures too. i hope its not strange to you for me to talk this way.

i dont know how you call it in islam or do you consider this story at all about the angels. the igigis or the angels in gregorian order. to the nephilims and the great flood and noah. the bible, greek and sumerian text have similar stories only different characters. enoch who said to be the only human that was able to walk side by side with god (im not sure who that god was in particular). and these things were the results of onced so called leadership crisis that happend in heaven. and the caused, of course was not the supreme God. He was even forced to step in to resolve the issue. and another one was the one that gave an idea to create human. that made three of them as the authorities.

all i know about intramuros is intra means within, muros means mural or walls. yes, theres so much really have to be rectified in phil history. and thank you very much, honestly its now clear to me the meaning of balik islam.sometimes good intensions will be ruined by bad procedures or maybe at all times for that matter.
i hope youll keep on posting sir kursonada. youre knowledge will give brighter ideas to the espiyas and could even spread peace easily.

[kursonada]

Thanks for the very well thought response budotukmol. No problem, thinking and talking rationally is never strange. It will lead to ideas. Here is my short answer to your questions. You can research more if you would like. These will be just an introduction and an insight.

I am still a student of the Quran but as far as my knowledge these are the attribute of God:

“In the name of Allah, the Infinitely Compassionate, the Most Merciful: Say, 'He is Allah, the One; Allah, the Eternal Originator; He does not bear children, nor was He born; and He is beyond compare.'”
Say: “O Allah, the One who knows the unseen and the visible (’alim al-ghayb wa al-shahada)! You will judge between Your servants about what they dispute about.” (39.46)

They (the disbelievers) say: “Why would a sign not be sent down to him from his Lord?” Say [O Muhammad!]: “The unseen (ghayb) is only Allah’s. So wait and I will be waiting with you.” (10.20)

We Muslims believe in the Unseen God and Enoch being able to walk side by side with God or Moses able to talk to God as a friend (Exodus 33:11) is blasphemy. It doesn’t make any sense. These are one of the signs that the Bible is corrupted.  In Islam there are spiritual beings called “Jins”. You can research about it but they are different from the Judeo/Christian concepts of Nephelims etc.

As for the Great Flood, it is a real historical event backed with archeological evidences (you can research on it). Therefore civilizations that witnessed it wrote a story of it. The main difference between the Quran and the Bible in this matter is that the Bible speaks of a world wide flood which does not make any sense and absolutely no evidence of a this in a global scale. Archeological proofs concluded that it was a regional flood. In the Quran it mentioned that only the place where Nuh (Noah) lived experienced the massive flood. It was a punishment for the sins of the people at that time. The flood was somewhere in Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq) concluding that it happened somewhere in the Middle East, Turkey, North Africa Area.  It this statement the noble Quran agrees to the scientific facts and the Bible just simply exaggerated the story.

Indeed our history needs ratification. Intramuros was originally made as a defense against the “Moros”, a term itself invented by the Spaniards. The meaning later became “within the walls” since Muro is wall in Spanish and the call the outside part as Extra Muros, meaning:  “Outside the wall”.
Unfortunately the Moro’s weapons were no match by the cannons of the enemy the Spaniards. Who wins write’s history.

Sad to know our historical institute absolutely made no effort in correcting errors in our history like the first Mass in Limasawa, Leyte.  Archeological finds it proved that the event happened in Surigao. They didn’t pay any attention.
I agree with you. Communication is the solution to peace.
Salam Brother!

[2fear!]

sorry medyo matagal din akong di na ka online dito... dami nang tanong na di ko masagot... mas maganda.. isa isa ang tanong nang masagot ng maayos  ng mga may alam sa islam.. tulad ni brother kursonada...  insha allah!