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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #100 on: July 24, 2011, 03:20:36 am »
karun nilalaki na nilalaki akong panlihok. apan binabayi pa binabayi pa akong tingog.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #101 on: July 24, 2011, 03:32:50 am »
At paano naman yung tungkulin sa pagiging MAKATAO? Kung ikaw e isang ganyan, puro pala sweldo gusto mo.  ;D

anong tungkulin sa pagiging makatao naman ang tinutukoy mo brader.... ;)
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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #102 on: July 24, 2011, 03:35:09 am »
Bro, wala naman akong ginagawang masama. This is an issue worth discussing because it involves abuse of authority and gross violation of good ethics. Drama 'yan para sa iba pero sometimes there are things that we have to maintain as a people, as a human.

'Yung decency and respect, kahit anonng taas, yaman o busog natin, dapat hindi natin kalimutan.

There's a lesson to be had on the incident and on the characters involved that reflects who we are now and who we'll be later on as a people and a nation.   

so wala palang ginagawang masama ang nagnitpick lang sa mga words  smoking::

this is an issue that was tackled a few weeks ago, no need to raise it up again and considering there were already actions to it, there's not even a god-damned reason why this topic should be opened again

alas, di mo na naman iqoute to or sasagutin ang ibang rebuttals dito.

MODS. KINDLY LOCK THIS THREAD. the issue has already been addressed. reactions were already made. no need to revive this and if the ts insists on more reactions, he's really trolling
pick an evil and live with it till the end.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #103 on: July 24, 2011, 03:37:14 am »
Salamat at may umamin ring taga-Davao na mali talaga ‘yung ginawa ni Sara Duterte.

Hindi na ‘ko magko-comment pa sa maling ginawa ni mayor at reresponde na lang ako do’n sa ilang mga nabanggit na bagay.

1. Ako sisiguraduhin ko sa inyo ngayon, walang nakatirang angel sa Davao. Hindi lahat ng nakatira sa Davao ay mabubuting tao.

Para sabihin nating patayin ang isang tao kahit labag sa batas ay patunay lamang na ang batas ay pwedeng bale-walain sa ano mang oras. Hindi magandang prinsipyo ‘yan.

2. Kung takot ang mga Ampatuan sa mga Duterte, ibig bang sabihin n’yan e mas walang puso at mas kriminal ang mga Duterte? Sinabi ko ‘yan dahil ang mga Ampatuan ay tinuring na mga walang puso, kriminal at may asal na maka-hayop matapos mangyari ‘yung massacre.

3. Saludo ang NPA kay Duterte? Bakit saludo lang? Bakit hindi nila ibaba ang armas nila at sumama sila sa ‘pag-unlad’ ng Davao? That’s terrible. 
 
4. Maraming investor sa Davao? E, bakit meron pa ring rebelde na hindi mahikayat ni Duterte? Hanggang saludo lang siya?

5. Walang anghel na landlord sa Davao. T’yak ‘yon!

6. Sa history ng mundo, ang lugar na pinamumunuan ng diktador o one-man rule ay attractive talaga sa investors/investments. Nuong panahon ni Marcos sangkaterba ang investments sa bansa. Sa ibang bansa, gano’n din ang nangyayari.

‘Yan naman kasi ang gusto ng mga negosyante. Safe ang investment nila at peaceful ang environment. That’s what business wants. But for a price. T’yak ‘yon!

7. Hall of famer ang PNP n’yo pero panay pa rin ang saludo ng NPA kay Duterte?  Hebigat!

Peace din sa inyo!


I guess you're still a kid trying to look at the world from the perspective of a child.  Governance or running a country is neither black or white. Pag ganyan ang patakaran mo ng pagpapalakad ng isang bansa, wala ka ng magagawa so buti pa eh matulog ka na lang at tataba ka pa.  When you are a leader of a country or even a small town, kasama ang kasinunghalingan, double speak, white lies at draconian measures to discipline a people, implement a political will or advance the aspiration of a people as perceived by the leader. Kun ano man ginawa ng isang lider have to be seen in the context of their commission.  For example, sino leader ng isang bansa magsasabi kun ilan ang sundalo ng army nito so kailangan magsinunghaling ito.  Sino leader mag admit that it is doing covert intelligence sa neighbor nito so you have to lie.  Sino leader hindi gagamit ng police power if may nanggugulo but the police act may be seen as brutality if seen as a singular act.  Even sa Singapore, napakarami nilang pinatay nun humiwalay sila sa Malaysia - and murder as a singular act is "bad".
 
Ang importante lamang na dapat mo maintindihan na in resorting to those acts, they are being resorted to benefit ang nakararami.  Mas matimbang na walang masaktan sa maraming informal settlers during the act of demolition kaysa masaktan ang isang sheriff.  Mas gusto mo bang may may mamatay sa mga informal settlers bukod sa masugatan pang marami kaysa mabugbog lang ang isang sheriff para wala lang masaktan or mamatay?  May hinaing ka sa isang sheriff na nasuntok pero wala ka hinaing dun sa mga nasaktan during the demolition?  Where is your sense of justice?

Hijo, I guess you may have to read Machiavelli to understand how governance should be pursued.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #104 on: July 24, 2011, 03:40:12 am »
ang siling sang nakatilaw. sampat gid ang timplada mo. nilagpang na turagsoy kanamit gid pro.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #105 on: July 24, 2011, 03:41:28 am »
syanga naman ... may DILG naman na magdidisiplina sa kanila...

so tama na diskusyon....

basta mali ang ginawa nila. PERIOD. bumawi na lang sila sa ibang paraan. di ba marteniko?  ;)


ang siling sang nakatilaw. sampat gid ang timplada mo. nilagpang na turagsoy kanamit gid pro.

wag ka namn magchinese diyan..... di naman lahat ng reader mo chinese  :P
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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #106 on: July 24, 2011, 03:49:43 am »
@TS. Dun ka sa ibang website manggulo. Huwag dito sa Espiya. Lahat kami dito nag kakaisa. nirerespeto namin ang mga opinyon/kuro-kuro tungkol sa isang bagay na kung saan sa tingin namin eh kelangan tingnan ang dalawang dimensyon nito. One sided ka kasi. Kung galit ka sa mayor ng Davao eh pumunta ka dun sa city hall. lahat naman tayo cguro ay malayang nakakapasok sa city hall. pagalitan mo siya sa mali na kanyang ginawa.  Huwag dito sa tahimik naming mundo.

@2fear: tol interesado ako sa proposal mo na EB. maganda ngayong kadayawan.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #107 on: July 24, 2011, 03:50:16 am »
Selos ra ning jonasa ni pirmi siguro makawatan sa ilang kanto. I am born and raised in Davao, proud to be one!  :D
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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #108 on: July 24, 2011, 03:51:35 am »
syanga naman ... may DILG naman na magdidisiplina sa kanila...

so tama na diskusyon....

basta mali ang ginawa nila. PERIOD. bumawi na lang sila sa ibang paraan. di ba marteniko?  ;)


wag ka namn magchinese diyan..... di naman lahat ng reader mo chinese  :P
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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #109 on: July 24, 2011, 03:56:59 am »
wala ka bang napapansin. wala ka bang napapansin. wala ka bang napapansin. wala ka bang napapansin. sung by asin.


napansin ko lang e nasa politics board tayo  :P

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #110 on: July 24, 2011, 03:59:47 am »
sige... unsa man plano ta eb mga taga davao...

gammans... ano sali ka ha... pareng budotukmol... sali ka rin...

wag nyo nang pansinin ang ts...


gulo lang pakay nya dito... klaro na paliwanag natin... ayun! parang si gani oro!

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #111 on: July 24, 2011, 04:07:05 am »
sige... unsa man plano ta eb mga taga davao...

gammans... ano sali ka ha... pareng budotukmol... sali ka rin...

wag nyo nang pansinin ang ts...


gulo lang pakay nya dito... klaro na paliwanag natin... ayun! parang si gani oro!
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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #112 on: July 24, 2011, 04:21:48 am »
merese, merese, merese, merese. ayokong matawag na lalake. ayoko ring mag US navy. simple lang ang gusto ko. pabayaan nyo na akong ganito. WOOOOHHHHHHHH

EVERY BODY SING NOW!!!!!!

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #113 on: July 24, 2011, 04:22:24 am »
Bro, wala naman akong ginagawang masama. This is an issue worth discussing because it involves abuse of authority and gross violation of good ethics. Drama 'yan para sa iba pero sometimes there are things that we have to maintain as a people, as a human.

'Yung decency and respect, kahit anonng taas, yaman o busog natin, dapat hindi natin kalimutan.

There's a lesson to be had on the incident and on the characters involved that reflects who we are now and who we'll be later on as a people and a nation.   



bro ka dyan  ;D

Again Point taken. and am sure on this site, everyone's allowed for any topics that

a member is enthusiastic about.

BUT TO CONVINCE SOMEONE TO BE ON YOUR SIDE OF OPINION IS FUTILE...

If you act with maturity and consideration for other users and respect their opinion

you should have no problems...Being Right will not get you anywhere~Trust me on that.


The platform is ours, but the conversation belongs to everybody.  ::inposition


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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #114 on: July 24, 2011, 04:25:00 am »
@2fear : paki update na lang kung when para maka file ako ng day-off sa work ko. Surigao kasi ako assign now.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #115 on: July 24, 2011, 04:32:44 am »
good idea yung isabay sa kadayawan ang eb sir 2fear.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #116 on: July 24, 2011, 04:34:35 am »
ah ganun ba pareng  gamman... san ka sa surigao?

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #117 on: July 24, 2011, 05:28:03 am »
so wala palang ginagawang masama ang nagnitpick lang sa mga words  smoking::

this is an issue that was tackled a few weeks ago, no need to raise it up again and considering there were already actions to it, there's not even a god-damned reason why this topic should be opened again

alas, di mo na naman iqoute to or sasagutin ang ibang rebuttals dito.

MODS. KINDLY LOCK THIS THREAD. the issue has already been addressed. reactions were already made. no need to revive this and if the ts insists on more reactions, he's really trolling
I beg to disagree. Yes, the mayor's abuse was an issue tackled in another thread on this forum a few weeks ago but subsequent events, the offensive reaction of the father and son, made the opening of this thread necessary. 

The title itself indicates the issue has become complicated due to the rudeness of the clan.

Asking for mods help to lock this thread is an indication of helplessness and inability to put up decent reason or defense in favor of the Dutertes. Why lock a very interesting subject? Why deny the pro-Duterte the opportunity to prove and provide reasons why their offensive acts merits approval.

I say, let's discuss, debate even argue our points of view on the issue because it is of national interest. Let's have a free-wheeling exchanges about it. Nothing personal.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #118 on: July 24, 2011, 05:39:39 am »
I guess you're still a kid trying to look at the world from the perspective of a child.  Governance or running a country is neither black or white. Pag ganyan ang patakaran mo ng pagpapalakad ng isang bansa, wala ka ng magagawa so buti pa eh matulog ka na lang at tataba ka pa.  When you are a leader of a country or even a small town, kasama ang kasinunghalingan, double speak, white lies at draconian measures to discipline a people, implement a political will or advance the aspiration of a people as perceived by the leader. Kun ano man ginawa ng isang lider have to be seen in the context of their commission.  For example, sino leader ng isang bansa magsasabi kun ilan ang sundalo ng army nito so kailangan magsinunghaling ito.  Sino leader mag admit that it is doing covert intelligence sa neighbor nito so you have to lie.  Sino leader hindi gagamit ng police power if may nanggugulo but the police act may be seen as brutality if seen as a singular act.  Even sa Singapore, napakarami nilang pinatay nun humiwalay sila sa Malaysia - and murder as a singular act is "bad".
 
Ang importante lamang na dapat mo maintindihan na in resorting to those acts, they are being resorted to benefit ang nakararami.  Mas matimbang na walang masaktan sa maraming informal settlers during the act of demolition kaysa masaktan ang isang sheriff.  Mas gusto mo bang may may mamatay sa mga informal settlers bukod sa masugatan pang marami kaysa mabugbog lang ang isang sheriff para wala lang masaktan or mamatay?  May hinaing ka sa isang sheriff na nasuntok pero wala ka hinaing dun sa mga nasaktan during the demolition?  Where is your sense of justice?

Hijo, I guess you may have to read Machiavelli to understand how governance should be pursued.
Salamat po sa imaginative presentation of what the events would have been. Unfortunately, it was not what you imagined it to be.

Nothing in the scenario you gave came close to the real story that happened in Davao. Nothing. You tried to romanticize a simple act of a beast-like abuse of a local gov't. official in front of everybody's eyes. In front of the world.

There's nothing Machiavellian about it. It stinks, actually. Machiavellian quality connotes thinking, reflection and deep and determined motivation. Nothing like that in what the mayor did and the reaction of his father and brother. What we witnessed was the arrogance of power, the misplaced hubris, the wickedness of character, the viciousness of intent in its naked self. That is what the true story is.

Salamat po sa pag-mention of Machiavelli. I appreciate it even though it's off topic.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #119 on: July 24, 2011, 05:42:15 am »
@TS. Dun ka sa ibang website manggulo. Huwag dito sa Espiya. Lahat kami dito nag kakaisa. nirerespeto namin ang mga opinyon/kuro-kuro tungkol sa isang bagay na kung saan sa tingin namin eh kelangan tingnan ang dalawang dimensyon nito. One sided ka kasi. Kung galit ka sa mayor ng Davao eh pumunta ka dun sa city hall. lahat naman tayo cguro ay malayang nakakapasok sa city hall. pagalitan mo siya sa mali na kanyang ginawa.  Huwag dito sa tahimik naming mundo.

@2fear: tol interesado ako sa proposal mo na EB. maganda ngayong kadayawan.
Kung nagkakaisa po kayo, walang pwedeng manggulo sa inyo. Wala po akong galit na personal sa mayor n'yo. Pinupuna ko lang po 'yung mali kong nakita.

Pasensiya na po.

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #120 on: July 24, 2011, 05:58:21 am »
debate even argue  our points of view on the issue because it is of national interest. Let's have a free-wheeling exchanges about it. Nothing personal.

yikes! We welcome debate and dissent/ disagreements/ intelligent discussion
 NOT arguments. SooRRRRY !

Anyways,wait for MODS to decide po .

btw,to argue is a personal interest.  music::


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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #121 on: July 24, 2011, 06:11:22 am »
yikes! We welcome debate and dissent/ disagreements/ intelligent discussion
 NOT arguments. SooRRRRY !

Anyways,wait for MODS to decide po .

btw,to argue is a personal interest.  music::


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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #122 on: July 24, 2011, 06:15:15 am »

BUT TO CONVINCE SOMEONE TO BE ON YOUR SIDE OF OPINION IS FUTILE...
The platform is ours, but the conversation belongs to everybody.  ::inposition


I'm not convincing anybody to be on my side. It's all up to you. Just PM me if you're going to jump on my side.  ::pampam  Joke!

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #123 on: July 24, 2011, 06:24:20 am »
...Am about to pm you po about Brain Fellatio wait lang^

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Re: The Violence of the Dutertes
« Reply #124 on: July 24, 2011, 11:08:30 am »
sayang, di ko ugaling makipag debate. dun ako sa neutral side. both are right because they think they are right.  :D