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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2011, 02:43:53 am »
Divorce bill

may annulment naman amendahan na lang ang annulment

yung pro-divorce

ito ang current problem sa USA matagal ng mag-asawa tapos kapag nakapunta sa Asia e mag-aasawa ulit dahil matanda na yung asawa nila di na nabibigyan ng needs

ito pa sex is needs and grounds ito for divorce magkakaroon ng ganitong mga scenario kung maaprob ang  divorce

parang magiging showbiz ang buhay ng tao
1. bakla sya kaya divorce ko sya
2. maliit titi nya divorce ko sya
3. di na ko masaya divorce ko sya
4. may amoy yung pepe nya divorce ko sya
5. bigyan mo ako ng pera divorce ko sya

na parang magiging panakot ang divorce at maging weapons for extortion

sa mga nag-aaway na family bakit pa tayo nag-aaral ng psychology na ang trabaho ay "COUNSELOR" sa away ng family pwede naman pag-usapan yan minsan e di napapansin ng mag-asawa na pareho silang may problema at dapat pareho silang makinig kaya nandyan ang mga "FAMILY COUNSELOR"

pwede din include yung topic about sa family sa seminar bago magpakasal  or mag-include ng laws na every 3 years e mag-seminar ang mga mag-asawa kase minsan nakakalimutan nila yung resposibilidad nila sa isa't isa

ito pa what if alcholic yung lalake or drug addict kung aprob ang divorce e di pababayaan lang sya malulong at lalong ma depress dahil didivorce sya ng asawa

yung battered wife or ama or ina ng isang child abuse e pwedeng naman amendahan yung bill nila na sila lang ang may priority for divorce dahil di talaga sila unfit magsama

parang rh-bill yan may existing laws na pwedeng naman amendahan same din sa divorce bill

yung same sex talagang anti-ako baka maubos yung magaganda dahil sa mga tibo mabibilis ang mga tibo pagdating sa mga chicks

yung sa bible ginawa ang divorce para sa mga taga-Israel yan di sa mga gentil at kaya ginawa ni MOises ang bill na yan kase kultura at Tradition ng mga Israel na pinapatay ang babae kapag napatunayan di virgin ang problema ang indicator ng pagiging virgin e kailangan may makita silang dugo "currently mga may taga-middle east na  ginagawa pa ito yung kailangan e may makita silang dugo sa puting panyo some says sa Suadi e ginagawa pa tio" ang question paano ang mga di dinudugo eventhough virgin sila na napaka-unfair na mamatay sila kaya ginawa ni moise yung bill na yan


bakit pa aamendyahan ang lumang rule kung meron naman bago para ayusin ang mga loopholes nito ?
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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #76 on: June 01, 2011, 04:16:58 am »
PRO RH and DIVORCE BILL..this country need changes!
yes the country needs changes... ayaw ko lang yung parating ng media na tayo nalang ang hindi pa yumayakap sa bill na yan.. ano to, bandwagon effect. porque tayo nalang ang bansang walang divorce eh dapat kunin narin natin? kung maipasa man itong divorce bill na ito, let it be with a purpose, let it be used sa tama at hindi sa libog lang. unti unti nang namamatay ang kultura ng Pilipino, wag na nating dagdagan pa.


annulment = hiwalayan na may legal basis. for example ng mga legal basis ay psychological dysfunction (mental retardation, psychopath, sociopath), infertility ng lalake o babae, abuse (physical o mental), at dito pumapasok yung mga legal witnesses..

divorce = kung ayaw mo na sa kanya hiwalay na.. ayon kay pareng wiki "is the final termination of a marital union, canceling the legal duties and responsibilities of marriage and dissolving the bonds of matrimony between the parties. In most countries divorce requires the sanction of a court or other authority in a legal process. The legal process for divorce may also involve issues of spousal support, child custody, child support, distribution of property and division of debt."
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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #77 on: June 01, 2011, 04:39:33 am »
somehow I feel the need to oppose this bill..  smoking::

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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #78 on: June 01, 2011, 04:54:01 am »
Sir sa susunod i-compress mo naman,naubos ang oras ko sa pagbabasa ng Nobela mo. Yan bang mga plataforma e ilan taon yan bago mapatupad? 10, 20, 30, 50, or may be 100 years. Patay na yata ako nun, hindi ko na makikita yang plataformang gusto mong mangyari... Mr. Great Man.  :applause :applause

We need an urgent solution, not a Utopian dreams. Wake up sir. >:(


not bad para sa post nya kung one sided ka di mo iintindihin un sinasabi nya sayang at may laman ang sinasabi nya.. wake up dudeee.. problema satin pinoy gusto ng shortcut...

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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #79 on: June 01, 2011, 05:00:59 am »

not bad para sa post nya kung one sided ka di mo iintindihin un sinasabi nya sayang at may laman ang sinasabi nya.. wake up dudeee.. problema satin pinoy gusto ng shortcut...
eh kung marami na ngang problema yun normal na daan na di na kayang ayusin, bakit di ka pa gagamit ng shortcut ?

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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #80 on: June 01, 2011, 07:19:51 am »
annulment, malaking pera ang paguusapan dyan at maraming taon... plus, makikialam pa ang church.

divorce, mabilis at mapaguusapan ng mas maayos kung anong suporta ang dapat na maibigay  sa babaeng ididiborsyo. city hall at lawyer lang ang kasama sa equation.

No, this is so very wrong.  I know you mean well Gardov, and you just want to be an active part of the discussions and fight for your beliefs, and I admire that.  But we have to clarify the erroneous statements you said so as not to confound the issue.

First, you'll probably spend just as much for divorce as you would for annulment, something which we will discuss in detail later on.

Second, the granting of an annulment will probably take just as much time as the granting of a divorce.  The determining factor here is not the governing law.  It's the speed by which such laws are served... and our justice system isn't really speedy.

Third, there is a separation of church and state.  A judicial annulment is different from a church annulment.  Just take the church annulment out of the picture... pampagulo lang yon.  I used to practice law, and the procedures for church annulment still confuse the hell out of me.  Focus on the legal aspect of annulment.

Fourth, the duty of support for the other spouse will cease once the marriage is terminated - whether such termination is through annulment or through divorce.  Pag hiwalay na kayo, ng legal, ng asawa mo, di mo na sya kailangang suportahan.  Only the common children - provided they are either in the age of minority OR emancipated but have no means of supporting themselves - are entitled to support from BOTH spouses.

Fifth, let's just disregard the statement "city hall lang at lawyer ang kasama dyan" because, as mentioned earlier, both the granting of annulment and the granting of divorce are judicial declarations... they need to go through judicial processes.

Now, back to the original question... which is actually a very good one...

What's the difference between annulment and divorce?

Pardon this long answer, but there is no way of shortening it.

Currently, there are 3 ways by which a marriage can be terminated in the Philippines.  These are:

1.  Via a judicial declaration of ABSOLUTE NULLITY, which is based on the grounds provided by Articles 35, 36, 37 and 38 (and as a matter of procedure, Article 53 as well) of the Family code;

2.  Via a judicial declaration of ANNULMENT, which is based on the grounds provided by Article 45 (paragraph 3 thereof should be read with Article 46) of the Family Code.

3.  Death of one of the spouses.

For the sake of answering the question, let's just group ABSOLUTE NULLITY and ANNULMENT together, shall we?  Di man sila pareho, e pwede naman silang "magkakampi" kumbaga, sa mga usapan tungkol sa necessity ng diborsyo.

Okay lang?

As it currently stands, the grounds for the termination of marriage are EXCLUSIVE.  Ano ibig sabihin nito?  Yung mga rason lang na sinasabi sa batas (articles 35, 36, 37, 38, 46 and 53 of the Family Code) ang pwedeng kilalanin ng korte para tapusin ang pagsasamahan ng mag-asawa.

So, when a wifee goes to court and seeks an annulment based on the ground "kasi nambabae sya e," the court will not be able to let such a case prosper.  Why?  It's because infidelity, per se, is not really a ground for dissolving the marriage.

(For the obsessive/compulsive lawyer or law student, he/she would probably say that pathological infidelity can be used as a manifestation of Psychological Incapacity which can be the basis for a petition for Absolute Nullity, but c'mon, let's keep things simple for now.  :) )

When a couple goes to court and seeks an annulment based on the ground "di kasi kami magkasundo kahit anong gawin namin," the court will immediately junk the petition because such is not a valid ground provided by law.

When a couple goes to court and seeks an annulment based on the ground that both spouses have been physically separated from each other for 10, 20, 30 or even a hundred years, the court will still find no merit on the petition because physical separation, PER SE, is not a ground provided by law.

So, ano ba problema ng Annulment at Absolute Nullity ngayon?  Basically, masyadong kaunti ang grounds na pwedeng gamitin para ma-terminate ang isang kasal.  Marami ring nagsasabi na ang exclusivity ng mga grounds na ito ay napagiwanan na ng panahon at kailangan nang dagdagan.

THIS is what divorce aims to do... add to the grounds by which marriage can be terminated.

As it stands, the proposed Divorce Law will add 5 new grounds for the termination of a marriage.  These are:

1.  Physical separation of at least 5 years.

2.  Legal separation of at least 2 years.

3.  When the grounds for legal separation (currently Article 55 of the Family Code) cause irreparable breakdown of the marriage.

4.  When either or both parties are psychologically incapacitated (this will repeal Art. 36 of the Family Code).

5.  When the couple suffers irreconcilable differences that result in the irreparable breakdown of the marriage.

The proposed Divorce Law provides grounds that are too open for interpretation, particularly the fifth proposed ground.  Irreconcilable differences can mean anything.  It can mean a wife who doesn't approve of her husband's fondness for action figures.  It can mean a husband who thinks that his wife spends more time in front of the mirror than in the bed.  It can mean a wife who feels that his husband's driving is too reckless for her own safety.  If any of these shallow reasons will appear to be irreconcilable, and escalate into issues that will cause the irreparable breakdown of the marriage, then ALAS, divorce can be granted.

So...

In a nutshell...

What's the difference between annulment/absolute nullity and divorce?

With annulment/absolute nullity, you can only use specific grounds to terminate the marriage.  With divorce, as the proposed bill currently stands, you can practically use any ground to terminate the marriage for as long as such a ground causes irreparable breakdown to the marital union.

Costs will just be the same.  You will still retain a lawyer.  You will still need a psychologist, if Psychological Incapacity is used as a ground.  You will still pay docket fees.  You will still pay attorney's fees.  You may still be required to hire a private investigator.  Pareho lang ang projected na gastos... walang maiiba.

The effects will also be the same.  Marital union terminated.  Property regime dissolved.  Appropriate shares distributed.  Presumptive legitimes of the common children secured.  Former wife can use her maiden name.  Legitimate children will remain legitimate.  Nothing will change.

At the very heart of the matter... the proposed divorce law will just expand the grounds for the termination of the marriage.


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Since everyone's contributing their say on the matter, please allow me to provide mine.

I am not in favor of Divorce.

Why?

Because it is redundant.  Any lawyer - or any law student for that matter - who paid attention to his/her teacher in Persons and Family Relations, a first year first sem subject, will know that Article 36 of the Family Code - the one about Psychological Incapacity - is already a loose way of providing for divorce in the Philippines.

If you can't end a marriage based on this ground, you don't need a divorce law.

You just need a better lawyer.  :)




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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #81 on: June 01, 2011, 07:42:42 am »
No, this is so very wrong.  I know you mean well Gardov, and you just want to be an active part of the discussions and fight for your beliefs, and I admire that.  But we have to clarify the erroneous statements you said so as not to confound the issue.

First, you'll probably spend just as much for divorce as you would for annulment, something which we will discuss in detail later on.

Second, the granting of an annulment will probably take just as much time as the granting of a divorce.  The determining factor here is not the governing law.  It's the speed by which such laws are served... and our justice system isn't really speedy.

Third, there is a separation of church and state.  A judicial annulment is different from a church annulment.  Just take the church annulment out of the picture... pampagulo lang yon.  I used to practice law, and the procedures for church annulment still confuse the hell out of me.  Focus on the legal aspect of annulment.

Fourth, the duty of support for the other spouse will cease once the marriage is terminated - whether such termination is through annulment or through divorce.  Pag hiwalay na kayo, ng legal, ng asawa mo, di mo na sya kailangang suportahan.  Only the common children - provided they are either in the age of minority OR emancipated but have no means of supporting themselves - are entitled to support from BOTH spouses.

Fifth, let's just disregard the statement "city hall lang at lawyer ang kasama dyan" because, as mentioned earlier, both the granting of annulment and the granting of divorce are judicial declarations... they need to go through judicial processes.

Now, back to the original question... which is actually a very good one...

What's the difference between annulment and divorce?

Pardon this long answer, but there is no way of shortening it.

Currently, there are 3 ways by which a marriage can be terminated in the Philippines.  These are:

1.  Via a judicial declaration of ABSOLUTE NULLITY, which is based on the grounds provided by Articles 35, 36, 37 and 38 (and as a matter of procedure, Article 53 as well) of the Family code;

2.  Via a judicial declaration of ANNULMENT, which is based on the grounds provided by Article 45 (paragraph 3 thereof should be read with Article 46) of the Family Code.

3.  Death of one of the spouses.

For the sake of answering the question, let's just group ABSOLUTE NULLITY and ANNULMENT together, shall we?  Di man sila pareho, e pwede naman silang "magkakampi" kumbaga, sa mga usapan tungkol sa necessity ng diborsyo.

Okay lang?

As it currently stands, the grounds for the termination of marriage are EXCLUSIVE.  Ano ibig sabihin nito?  Yung mga rason lang na sinasabi sa batas (articles 35, 36, 37, 38, 46 and 53 of the Family Code) ang pwedeng kilalanin ng korte para tapusin ang pagsasamahan ng mag-asawa.

So, when a wifee goes to court and seeks an annulment based on the ground "kasi nambabae sya e," the court will not be able to let such a case prosper.  Why?  It's because infidelity, per se, is not really a ground for dissolving the marriage.

(For the obsessive/compulsive lawyer or law student, he/she would probably say that pathological infidelity can be used as a manifestation of Psychological Incapacity which can be the basis for a petition for Absolute Nullity, but c'mon, let's keep things simple for now.  :) )

When a couple goes to court and seeks an annulment based on the ground "di kasi kami magkasundo kahit anong gawin namin," the court will immediately junk the petition because such is not a valid ground provided by law.

When a couple goes to court and seeks an annulment based on the ground that both spouses have been physically separated from each other for 10, 20, 30 or even a hundred years, the court will still find no merit on the petition because physical separation, PER SE, is not a ground provided by law.

So, ano ba problema ng Annulment at Absolute Nullity ngayon?  Basically, masyadong kaunti ang grounds na pwedeng gamitin para ma-terminate ang isang kasal.  Marami ring nagsasabi na ang exclusivity ng mga grounds na ito ay napagiwanan na ng panahon at kailangan nang dagdagan.

THIS is what divorce aims to do... add to the grounds by which marriage can be terminated.

As it stands, the proposed Divorce Law will add 5 new grounds for the termination of a marriage.  These are:

1.  Physical separation of at least 5 years.

2.  Legal separation of at least 2 years.

3.  When the grounds for legal separation (currently Article 55 of the Family Code) cause irreparable breakdown of the marriage.

4.  When either or both parties are psychologically incapacitated (this will repeal Art. 36 of the Family Code).

5.  When the couple suffers irreconcilable differences that result in the irreparable breakdown of the marriage.

The proposed Divorce Law provides grounds that are too open for interpretation, particularly the fifth proposed ground.  Irreconcilable differences can mean anything.  It can mean a wife who doesn't approve of her husband's fondness for action figures.  It can mean a husband who thinks that his wife spends more time in front of the mirror than in the bed.  It can mean a wife who feels that his husband's driving is too reckless for her own safety.  If any of these shallow reasons will appear to be irreconcilable, and escalate into issues that will cause the irreparable breakdown of the marriage, then ALAS, divorce can be granted.

So...

In a nutshell...

What's the difference between annulment/absolute nullity and divorce?

With annulment/absolute nullity, you can only use specific grounds to terminate the marriage.  With divorce, as the proposed bill currently stands, you can practically use any ground to terminate the marriage for as long as such a ground causes irreparable breakdown to the marital union.

Costs will just be the same.  You will still retain a lawyer.  You will still need a psychologist, if Psychological Incapacity is used as a ground.  You will still pay docket fees.  You will still pay attorney's fees.  You may still be required to hire a private investigator.  Pareho lang ang projected na gastos... walang maiiba.

The effects will also be the same.  Marital union terminated.  Property regime dissolved.  Appropriate shares distributed.  Presumptive legitimes of the common children secured.  Former wife can use her maiden name.  Legitimate children will remain legitimate.  Nothing will change.

At the very heart of the matter... the proposed divorce law will just expand the grounds for the termination of the marriage.


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Since everyone's contributing their say on the matter, please allow me to provide mine.

I am not in favor of Divorce.

Why?

Because it is redundant.  Any lawyer - or any law student for that matter - who paid attention to his/her teacher in Persons and Family Relations, a first year first sem subject, will know that Article 36 of the Family Code - the one about Psychological Incapacity - is already a loose way of providing for divorce in the Philippines.

If you can't end a marriage based on this ground, you don't need a divorce law.

You just need a better lawyer.  :)









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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #82 on: June 01, 2011, 07:45:12 pm »
No, this is so very wrong.  I know you mean well Gardov, and you just want to be an active part of the discussions and fight for your beliefs, and I admire that.  But we have to clarify the erroneous statements you said so as not to confound the issue.

First, you'll probably spend just as much for divorce as you would for annulment, something which we will discuss in detail later on.

Second, the granting of an annulment will probably take just as much time as the granting of a divorce.  The determining factor here is not the governing law.  It's the speed by which such laws are served... and our justice system isn't really speedy.

Third, there is a separation of church and state.  A judicial annulment is different from a church annulment.  Just take the church annulment out of the picture... pampagulo lang yon.  I used to practice law, and the procedures for church annulment still confuse the hell out of me.  Focus on the legal aspect of annulment.

Fourth, the duty of support for the other spouse will cease once the marriage is terminated - whether such termination is through annulment or through divorce.  Pag hiwalay na kayo, ng legal, ng asawa mo, di mo na sya kailangang suportahan.  Only the common children - provided they are either in the age of minority OR emancipated but have no means of supporting themselves - are entitled to support from BOTH spouses.

Fifth, let's just disregard the statement "city hall lang at lawyer ang kasama dyan" because, as mentioned earlier, both the granting of annulment and the granting of divorce are judicial declarations... they need to go through judicial processes.

Now, back to the original question... which is actually a very good one...

What's the difference between annulment and divorce?

Pardon this long answer, but there is no way of shortening it.

Currently, there are 3 ways by which a marriage can be terminated in the Philippines.  These are:

1.  Via a judicial declaration of ABSOLUTE NULLITY, which is based on the grounds provided by Articles 35, 36, 37 and 38 (and as a matter of procedure, Article 53 as well) of the Family code;

2.  Via a judicial declaration of ANNULMENT, which is based on the grounds provided by Article 45 (paragraph 3 thereof should be read with Article 46) of the Family Code.

3.  Death of one of the spouses.

For the sake of answering the question, let's just group ABSOLUTE NULLITY and ANNULMENT together, shall we?  Di man sila pareho, e pwede naman silang "magkakampi" kumbaga, sa mga usapan tungkol sa necessity ng diborsyo.

Okay lang?

As it currently stands, the grounds for the termination of marriage are EXCLUSIVE.  Ano ibig sabihin nito?  Yung mga rason lang na sinasabi sa batas (articles 35, 36, 37, 38, 46 and 53 of the Family Code) ang pwedeng kilalanin ng korte para tapusin ang pagsasamahan ng mag-asawa.

So, when a wifee goes to court and seeks an annulment based on the ground "kasi nambabae sya e," the court will not be able to let such a case prosper.  Why?  It's because infidelity, per se, is not really a ground for dissolving the marriage.

(For the obsessive/compulsive lawyer or law student, he/she would probably say that pathological infidelity can be used as a manifestation of Psychological Incapacity which can be the basis for a petition for Absolute Nullity, but c'mon, let's keep things simple for now.  :) )

When a couple goes to court and seeks an annulment based on the ground "di kasi kami magkasundo kahit anong gawin namin," the court will immediately junk the petition because such is not a valid ground provided by law.

When a couple goes to court and seeks an annulment based on the ground that both spouses have been physically separated from each other for 10, 20, 30 or even a hundred years, the court will still find no merit on the petition because physical separation, PER SE, is not a ground provided by law.

So, ano ba problema ng Annulment at Absolute Nullity ngayon?  Basically, masyadong kaunti ang grounds na pwedeng gamitin para ma-terminate ang isang kasal.  Marami ring nagsasabi na ang exclusivity ng mga grounds na ito ay napagiwanan na ng panahon at kailangan nang dagdagan.

THIS is what divorce aims to do... add to the grounds by which marriage can be terminated.

As it stands, the proposed Divorce Law will add 5 new grounds for the termination of a marriage.  These are:

1.  Physical separation of at least 5 years.

2.  Legal separation of at least 2 years.

3.  When the grounds for legal separation (currently Article 55 of the Family Code) cause irreparable breakdown of the marriage.

4.  When either or both parties are psychologically incapacitated (this will repeal Art. 36 of the Family Code).

5.  When the couple suffers irreconcilable differences that result in the irreparable breakdown of the marriage.

The proposed Divorce Law provides grounds that are too open for interpretation, particularly the fifth proposed ground.  Irreconcilable differences can mean anything.  It can mean a wife who doesn't approve of her husband's fondness for action figures.  It can mean a husband who thinks that his wife spends more time in front of the mirror than in the bed.  It can mean a wife who feels that his husband's driving is too reckless for her own safety.  If any of these shallow reasons will appear to be irreconcilable, and escalate into issues that will cause the irreparable breakdown of the marriage, then ALAS, divorce can be granted.

So...

In a nutshell...

What's the difference between annulment/absolute nullity and divorce?

With annulment/absolute nullity, you can only use specific grounds to terminate the marriage.  With divorce, as the proposed bill currently stands, you can practically use any ground to terminate the marriage for as long as such a ground causes irreparable breakdown to the marital union.

Costs will just be the same.  You will still retain a lawyer.  You will still need a psychologist, if Psychological Incapacity is used as a ground.  You will still pay docket fees.  You will still pay attorney's fees.  You may still be required to hire a private investigator.  Pareho lang ang projected na gastos... walang maiiba.

The effects will also be the same.  Marital union terminated.  Property regime dissolved.  Appropriate shares distributed.  Presumptive legitimes of the common children secured.  Former wife can use her maiden name.  Legitimate children will remain legitimate.  Nothing will change.

At the very heart of the matter... the proposed divorce law will just expand the grounds for the termination of the marriage.


-----


Since everyone's contributing their say on the matter, please allow me to provide mine.

I am not in favor of Divorce.

Why?

Because it is redundant.  Any lawyer - or any law student for that matter - who paid attention to his/her teacher in Persons and Family Relations, a first year first sem subject, will know that Article 36 of the Family Code - the one about Psychological Incapacity - is already a loose way of providing for divorce in the Philippines.

If you can't end a marriage based on this ground, you don't need a divorce law.

You just need a better lawyer.  :)


Thank you for your intelligent comment Mr. Bolero. It's kinda lengthy but it's worth reading for. I just can't get your reason why you're not in favor of divorce. It's kinda vague to me. Please make it clear, sorry I'm slow. ;D
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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #83 on: June 02, 2011, 03:00:07 am »
Many people including me support the divorce bill because married people getting trapped and imprisoned in unhappy and bad marriage deserve to get another chance to find happiness in their love life. Divorce provides the best solution when marriage becomes too bad that there's a clear danger or threat of physical violence or killing happening in a bad marriage.

In case a couple separates and gets a divorce but one or both can't find a new partner for their love life, they can at least get peace of mind and start a new life away from their previous troubled marriage. Divorce does not take away the responsibities of parents to their children, and having peace of mind and being able to start a new life away from the troubles of a bad marriage can help divorced couples find a way to focus their mind and energy in finding work and building their careers in order to be able to provide basic and necessary support to their children. Thus, divorce can be a tool in helping divorced couples become responsible parents to their children despite getting separated and not being forced to live together as husband and wife to each other.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/backing-divorce-rises-philippines-052126777.html

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/sws-half-pinoys-favor-divorce-separated-couples-103705018.html

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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #84 on: June 07, 2011, 01:12:38 am »
Divorce or annulment: Same difference
Another contentious issue is once again up for debate  with the Catholic Church as the primary opposition to the legalization of divorce in this country. But actually, the Church allows annulment in many instances. The basic interpretation of annulment is the declaration of a marriage to be null and void  essentially saying the marriage never took place at all (even though the couple may already have several children), while divorce is technically the “after effect” of a failed marriage. To many people however, the difference between divorce and annulment is all just a matter of jargon and semantics  because in the end, both acknowledge that the marital situation has become untenable and thus the union should be dissolved or severed.

It is rather sad but the reality today is that with the modern world and the stressful life that goes with it, no one should impose or compel through legislation that two people have to live together for the rest of their lives if their relationship has become not only a source of emotional and psychological trauma, but also puts the aggrieved party under a lot of physical suffering and even danger. While many people still strongly believe in preserving the sanctity of marriage and protecting the family and the children above all from the devastating effects of a broken marriage, the fact is, it is just as emotionally and psychologically shattering for children to hear or witness their parents quarreling day-in and day-out.

We have heard of so many heartbreaking stories about women becoming victims of domestic violence, like this poor young woman who had absolutely no idea that her husband was a psychologically impaired man with a horrible drinking habit. Every single day of her married life of five years, she was subjected to brutal beatings and unspeakable inanities until she developed the “battered wife syndrome” where she would always rationalize her husband’s abusive behavior by thinking she was the one at fault  that she was not beautiful enough, not industrious enough, not understanding enough. He would fly into a rage every time she asked permission to see her relatives or friends, and would lock her up in a closet. What used to be a pretty, bubbly young woman became a loner who shunned the company of others, partly out of fear and shame that people would know of her situation. She finally came to her senses when a persistent relative  who knew of her situation decided to rescue her from a living hell. She is currently in hiding, having psychiatric therapy while her “animal” of a husband  is still prowling the streets looking for her.

Don’t kid yourselves; there are also “battered” men abused by their wives. Take the case of this man whose wife turned out to be a sex addict. She kept having affairs, sometimes even with the husband’s colleagues and acquaintances. For 10 years, he took the pain and humiliation for the sake of their three children, hoping things would change after each episode of recrimination and forgiveness  until she finally got pregnant and gave birth to another man’s child. That was when he decided enough was enough  but by then he had lost the  respect of all his relatives, his friends and worse, even his children.

These are just a few classic stories of failed marriages where the only way out is to leave instead of being trapped into a life of misery forever. While legal separation is an option, it does not allow separated couples to remarry, depriving aggrieved parties the opportunity to make a fresh start and regain their sense of self respect. Society’s “double standard” also makes it difficult for women to rebuild their lives with a new partner because of the stigma attached to being a “separada.” Ours is a crazy “macho society” where men who separate from their wives and have another family are often not ostracized.

With annulment being a costly and lengthy process (and therefore perceived to be available only to the wealthy) it’s no longer surprising to hear many horrific stories about judges (who are most likely having affairs themselves) taking money from both sides particularly when a case is very contentious and both parties want to “expedite” the process. Naturally, divorce should never be an option for philanderers and immature individuals who want to do it Las Vegas-style where couples marry after a bout of drunken carousing  and seek a divorce the minute the hangover passes.

If it would take a Constitutional amendment to legalize divorce  then so be it, but it’s about time this country moves on to the 21st century. No one will argue against making sure that strict parameters in granting divorce are observed, like when couples have exhausted all possible ways to stay together, or when they have been separated for a number of years and reconciliation has become impossible, with both reaching a “point of no repair.” The bottom line is, it is not only unfair but more damaging to force two people  and their children  to live together and be miserable for the rest of their lives.

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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #85 on: June 07, 2011, 05:36:49 am »
As the title of the thread is asking, talagang myopic mga pananaw mga pulitiko.  Di naman dapat yan ang pinaguusapan para maka bwelo na ang ekonomya ng Pinas.  Diversionary tactic na lang yan para may pag usapan dahil walang maisulong na idea ang mga mambabatas kun pano makapag bigay ng trabaho.

Imbes na yan, dapat pinag iisipan nila kun:

 - anong pagbabago sa banking system to entice the Filipino to save and put more disposable income para ilagak na puhunan;
-  paraan upang maglagak ng mas maraming puhunan ang GSIS, SSS, DBP at LBP sa mga infrastructure projects;
-  mga incentives para mga contractors at developers ay ma enganyo sa pagtatayo ng mas maraming housing projects;
-  mga incentives para mamuhunan ang mga manufacturers ng sasakyan sa Pinas;
-  legal framework para mas marami mag tayo ng mga infrastructure projects;
-  fiscal incentives para dumami mamuhunan sa power projects para bumaba ang halaga ng koryente;
-  hakbangin upang hindi pabago bago mga batas, ordinansa at executive orders hinggil  sa paggawa at pamumuhunan;
-  tax deductions to entice persons and institutions na mag construct or mag donate ng school houses all over the country;
-  tax incentives para mamuhunan sa pag gawa ng fighter jets at barkong pandigma laban sa mga trespassers sa Spratley; at
-  incentives sa higit na malawakang pagtatanim ng palay, mais, palm oil, sugar at coconut; and
-  hakhangin para maka pag import sa mas mababang halaga mula sa Russia (non OPEC member) ang Philippine International Trading Corp (PITC, kun meron pa ito) from funding (off-ledger transaction or suspense account) mula PAGCOR, GSIS, SSS, DBP and LBP;
-  pag set ng at least ten percent (10%) ng pork barrel ng bawat mambabatas sa pag gawa ng school houses (uniformly designed by UAP); at
-  pagbago sa Saligang Batas especially on provisions re economic issues and local governance.

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« Reply #86 on: June 08, 2011, 08:04:55 am »
I think the title for this topic is influenced by the views of TS regarding the divorce bill, and it is obvious TS is against the divorce bill but does not want to admit it.  Now let me give my comment on prioritizing the passing of economic bills over divorce bill. The job of Philippine Congress is not limited to make laws concerning the economy, but it is also tasked to pass laws that tackle, improve and uplift the political and social condition of our country. That’s why there are laws on marriage, annulment and legal separation in order to address the social issues affecting people in society. It’s the same purpose why divorce bill is being discussed in Congress.

Can you imagine the trouble in society if there is no law on marriage, annulment and legal separation? How about a labor code that defines not only the relationship between the employer and employee but also the compensation for workers? What is going to happen when there’s no labor code in society? Let us remember that slavery caused violent social unrest in many countries many decades or centuries ago, but now slavery is not allowed since labor code provides the law giving humane working condition and just compensation for workers.

The point I am stressing is that a Labor code addresses social issue on employee-employer relationship just like social issues being addressed by laws pertaining to marriage, annulment, legal separation and divorce; therefore, I believe that passing laws concerning social issues should not be seen as less important to legislating laws on economic and political issues  smoking::
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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #87 on: June 08, 2011, 09:50:59 pm »
NO to Divorce
YES to RH Bill

Mas manganda walang divorce, yong separation nga naaabuso na how much more kung legal na hehehehehehe :D YES to RH kasi madami na tayo kailangan mag control na.......

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« Reply #88 on: June 08, 2011, 10:15:50 pm »
im pro divorce..pero wag sana mangyari ang time na magdivorce kami ng wife ko.. smoking::

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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #89 on: June 09, 2011, 03:15:31 am »
NO to Divorce
YES to RH Bill

Mas manganda walang divorce, yong separation nga naaabuso na how much more kung legal na hehehehehehe :D YES to RH kasi madami na tayo kailangan mag control na.......

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kung mag seseparate lang din naman yung mag asawa, e d ba mas magandang mag divorce na lang sila para walang sabit kung sakaling may mahalin silang ibang tao.

sa divorce bill naman, at least one year na separation ay pwede nang magdivorce

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« Reply #90 on: June 09, 2011, 07:16:35 pm »
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kung mag seseparate lang din naman yung mag asawa, e d ba mas magandang mag divorce na lang sila para walang sabit kung sakaling may mahalin silang ibang tao.

sa divorce bill naman, at least one year na separation ay pwede nang magdivorce

kung ilelegal din naman yan e sana alisin na ang kasal dahil tulad sa america e dilang masiyahan sa sex e divorce na

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« Reply #91 on: June 10, 2011, 03:29:37 am »
kung ilelegal din naman yan e sana alisin na ang kasal dahil tulad sa america e dilang masiyahan sa sex e divorce na

ah hindi naman pedeng maging grounds for divorce ang pagiging sawa nang ka sex ang kanyang partner. hindi rin tinatanggap ang infidelity.

yung separation for more than a year, cruelty, adultery at pagkakakulong ng partner ng maraming taon ang pwedeng gawing basehan para sa divorce. - source: google.com ( type in grounds for divorce )

kung halimbawang inaabuso ka na ng iyong misis/mister, gugustuhin mo pa rin bang magstay sa poder nya? hindi ba maghahanap ka rin ng partner na mas ma aappreciate ang byuti mo...




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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #92 on: June 10, 2011, 05:22:55 am »
pre pasensya na...pero para sa akin un wag kang magsabi ng tanga? ok tanga? bakit ka magpapabugbog kaya nga anjan ang batas eh dahil para protektahan ang naaapi... di sapat ang pera... aanhin mo ang pera kung wala magulang mo... mas masaya un kumpleto kahit kapos... masaya parin nabubuhay... di magkakaproblema ang pamilya kung hindi dahil sa mga manloloko... un masama intensyon...

   Pag nireklamo mo ang asawa mo dahil sa pambubugbog sa syo, either aaregluhin lang kayo sa istasyon ng pulis o patatawarin mo ang asawa mo. Baka nga di na humantong sa korte eh. So, ang mangyayari ay balik uli kayo sa pagsasama nyo sa isang bahay, then eventually ay balik na naman sa bugbugan. Kung tutuluyan mo naman sa pagsampa ng kaso ang asawa mo ay matagal na proseso at magastos pa. Pag nakulong siya ay hiwalay na rin kayo, di pa pwedeng makahanap ng bagong pag-ibig ang babae dahil nakatali pa siya sa pinakulong nyang asawa. Pero kung may Divorce, isang instance lang ng pambubugbog ay pwede nang grounds for Divorce. Sigurado ka pang may sustento ang mga bata. Kesa sa mga naghihiwalay nang walang legalidad, walang sustento ang karamihan sa mga bata (bahala na si Babae).

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« Reply #93 on: June 10, 2011, 07:45:05 pm »
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Pag nireklamo mo ang asawa mo dahil sa pambubugbog sa syo, either aaregluhin lang kayo sa istasyon ng pulis o patatawarin mo ang asawa mo. Baka nga di na humantong sa korte eh. So, ang mangyayari ay balik uli kayo sa pagsasama nyo sa isang bahay, then eventually ay balik na naman sa bugbugan. Kung tutuluyan mo naman sa pagsampa ng kaso ang asawa mo ay matagal na proseso at magastos pa. Pag nakulong siya ay hiwalay na rin kayo, di pa pwedeng makahanap ng bagong pag-ibig ang babae dahil nakatali pa siya sa pinakulong nyang asawa. Pero kung may Divorce, isang instance lang ng pambubugbog ay pwede nang grounds for Divorce. Sigurado ka pang may sustento ang mga bata. Kesa sa mga naghihiwalay nang walang legalidad, walang sustento ang karamihan sa mga bata (bahala na si Babae).

so base explanation mo kung ma -aprub ito

kapag sawa na ko sa asawa A e bugbugin ko lang e di naman ako makukulong divorce agad
so kapag sawa na ulit ako sa asawa B e bugbugin ko lang ulit e makakuha ako ng divorce
so kapag sawa ulit ako sa ASAWA C ko e bugbugin ko ulit e makakakuha ulit ako ng divorce  at mayaman naman ako so pwedeng pwede ito sa mayayaman like politiko coruptos




 

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« Reply #94 on: June 11, 2011, 12:57:44 am »
so base explanation mo kung ma -aprub ito

kapag sawa na ko sa asawa A e bugbugin ko lang e di naman ako makukulong divorce agad
so kapag sawa na ulit ako sa asawa B e bugbugin ko lang ulit e makakuha ako ng divorce
so kapag sawa ulit ako sa ASAWA C ko e bugbugin ko ulit e makakakuha ulit ako ng divorce  at mayaman naman ako so pwedeng pwede ito sa mayayaman like politiko coruptos




 

no. kung ikaw ay mangbugbog ng tao, asawa man o hinde, hindi divorce ang makukuha ng taong yun kundi assault or attempted murder.


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« Reply #95 on: June 12, 2011, 08:59:07 pm »
I am pro-RH and pro-divorce bill! Hindi ang divorce ang sisira sa marriage ng mag-asawa, ang mag-asawa ang may hawak ng ikasisira ng marriage nila. Ang divorce ay para sa mag-asawang MATAGAL ng sira ang marriage. Matuto kasi kayong umintindi ng mga nakapaloob sa bill na ito at hindi basta iharap ang bibliya na akala mo ay santo kayo na nagmamalinis lang sa mga kasalanan. Hindi dpat nakikialam ang relihiyon lalo na ang simbahang katoliko sa pagsasagawa ng mga batas dahil hindi naman lahat ng Filipino ay kristiyano at katoliko, MAJORITY LNG. Kung gusto niyo pumasailalim ang pilipinas sa mga kagustuhan niyo ay GAWIN NIYO MUNANG KRISTIYANO AT KATOLIKO LAHAT ng Filipino na impossible mangyari. At pwede ba 1% lang siguro ng mga gumagamit ng bibliya sa arguments nila ay talagang malinis ang kalooban at may sampalataya sa maykapal. 99% diyan ay mga nagpapanggap lang at ginagamit ang relihiyon para takpan ang mga kasalanan nila.

Ang BOBO kasi ng ibang nagcocomment dito! Annulment man yan o legal separation, separated pa din ang mag-asawang kinasal na. Mas lalo naman maapektuhan ang mga anak kapag nagsasama pa ang mag-asawa na puro bugbugan na lang at sigawan. Paano kung nirape ng tatay yung anak na babae? gusto niyo pa din na wag maghiwalay ang asawa dahil ayun ang sabi sa bibliya?! Nararapat pa din ba na ipreserve ang sanctity of marriage na sinasabi ninyo?! Magpakatotoo tayo base sa mga experiences natin at hindi sa kung ano ang nakatala sa libro na wala namang matibay na basehan kung dapat ba talagang paniwalaan o hindi. 

May mga matibay na grounds ang divorce at hindi ito para gamitin lang sa madaling paraan. Tayo na lang at malta ang walang divorce law. Mahirap tlga lalo na sa bansang ito na karamihan ng tao ay hindi marunong mag-isip ng malalim. Hindi ibig sabihin pag gusto ng karamihan ay ayun ang tama!!!

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« Reply #96 on: June 12, 2011, 09:19:26 pm »
I am pro-RH and pro-divorce bill! Hindi ang divorce ang sisira sa marriage ng mag-asawa, ang mag-asawa ang may hawak ng ikasisira ng marriage nila. Ang divorce ay para sa mag-asawang MATAGAL ng sira ang marriage. Matuto kasi kayong umintindi ng mga nakapaloob sa bill na ito at hindi basta iharap ang bibliya na akala mo ay santo kayo na nagmamalinis lang sa mga kasalanan. Hindi dpat nakikialam ang relihiyon lalo na ang simbahang katoliko sa pagsasagawa ng mga batas dahil hindi naman lahat ng Filipino ay kristiyano at katoliko, MAJORITY LNG. Kung gusto niyo pumasailalim ang pilipinas sa mga kagustuhan niyo ay GAWIN NIYO MUNANG KRISTIYANO AT KATOLIKO LAHAT ng Filipino na impossible mangyari. At pwede ba 1% lang siguro ng mga gumagamit ng bibliya sa arguments nila ay talagang malinis ang kalooban at may sampalataya sa maykapal. 99% diyan ay mga nagpapanggap lang at ginagamit ang relihiyon para takpan ang mga kasalanan nila.

Ang BOBO kasi ng ibang nagcocomment dito! Annulment man yan o legal separation, separated pa din ang mag-asawang kinasal na. Mas lalo naman maapektuhan ang mga anak kapag nagsasama pa ang mag-asawa na puro bugbugan na lang at sigawan. Paano kung nirape ng tatay yung anak na babae? gusto niyo pa din na wag maghiwalay ang asawa dahil ayun ang sabi sa bibliya?! Nararapat pa din ba na ipreserve ang sanctity of marriage na sinasabi ninyo?! Magpakatotoo tayo base sa mga experiences natin at hindi sa kung ano ang nakatala sa libro na wala namang matibay na basehan kung dapat ba talagang paniwalaan o hindi. 

May mga matibay na grounds ang divorce at hindi ito para gamitin lang sa madaling paraan. Tayo na lang at malta ang walang divorce law. Mahirap tlga lalo na sa bansang ito na karamihan ng tao ay hindi marunong mag-isip ng malalim. Hindi ibig sabihin pag gusto ng karamihan ay ayun ang tama!!!

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« Reply #97 on: June 14, 2011, 04:35:40 am »
I am pro-RH and pro-divorce bill! Hindi ang divorce ang sisira sa marriage ng mag-asawa, ang mag-asawa ang may hawak ng ikasisira ng marriage nila. Ang divorce ay para sa mag-asawang MATAGAL ng sira ang marriage. Matuto kasi kayong umintindi ng mga nakapaloob sa bill na ito at hindi basta iharap ang bibliya na akala mo ay santo kayo na nagmamalinis lang sa mga kasalanan. Hindi dpat nakikialam ang relihiyon lalo na ang simbahang katoliko sa pagsasagawa ng mga batas dahil hindi naman lahat ng Filipino ay kristiyano at katoliko, MAJORITY LNG. Kung gusto niyo pumasailalim ang pilipinas sa mga kagustuhan niyo ay GAWIN NIYO MUNANG KRISTIYANO AT KATOLIKO LAHAT ng Filipino na impossible mangyari. At pwede ba 1% lang siguro ng mga gumagamit ng bibliya sa arguments nila ay talagang malinis ang kalooban at may sampalataya sa maykapal. 99% diyan ay mga nagpapanggap lang at ginagamit ang relihiyon para takpan ang mga kasalanan nila.

Ang BOBO kasi ng ibang nagcocomment dito! Annulment man yan o legal separation, separated pa din ang mag-asawang kinasal na. Mas lalo naman maapektuhan ang mga anak kapag nagsasama pa ang mag-asawa na puro bugbugan na lang at sigawan. Paano kung nirape ng tatay yung anak na babae? gusto niyo pa din na wag maghiwalay ang asawa dahil ayun ang sabi sa bibliya?! Nararapat pa din ba na ipreserve ang sanctity of marriage na sinasabi ninyo?! Magpakatotoo tayo base sa mga experiences natin at hindi sa kung ano ang nakatala sa libro na wala namang matibay na basehan kung dapat ba talagang paniwalaan o hindi. 

May mga matibay na grounds ang divorce at hindi ito para gamitin lang sa madaling paraan. Tayo na lang at malta ang walang divorce law. Mahirap tlga lalo na sa bansang ito na karamihan ng tao ay hindi marunong mag-isip ng malalim. Hindi ibig sabihin pag gusto ng karamihan ay ayun ang tama!!!
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I am pro-RH and pro-divorce bill! Hindi ang divorce ang sisira sa marriage ng mag-asawa, ang mag-asawa ang may hawak ng ikasisira ng marriage nila. Ang divorce ay para sa mag-asawang MATAGAL ng sira ang marriage. Matuto kasi kayong umintindi ng mga nakapaloob sa bill na ito at hindi basta iharap ang bibliya na akala mo ay santo kayo na nagmamalinis lang sa mga kasalanan. Hindi dpat nakikialam ang relihiyon lalo na ang simbahang katoliko sa pagsasagawa ng mga batas dahil hindi naman lahat ng Filipino ay kristiyano at katoliko, MAJORITY LNG. Kung gusto niyo pumasailalim ang pilipinas sa mga kagustuhan niyo ay GAWIN NIYO MUNANG KRISTIYANO AT KATOLIKO LAHAT ng Filipino na impossible mangyari. At pwede ba 1% lang siguro ng mga gumagamit ng bibliya sa arguments nila ay talagang malinis ang kalooban at may sampalataya sa maykapal. 99% diyan ay mga nagpapanggap lang at ginagamit ang relihiyon para takpan ang mga kasalanan nila.

Ang BOBO kasi ng ibang nagcocomment dito! Annulment man yan o legal separation, separated pa din ang mag-asawang kinasal na. Mas lalo naman maapektuhan ang mga anak kapag nagsasama pa ang mag-asawa na puro bugbugan na lang at sigawan. Paano kung nirape ng tatay yung anak na babae? gusto niyo pa din na wag maghiwalay ang asawa dahil ayun ang sabi sa bibliya?! Nararapat pa din ba na ipreserve ang sanctity of marriage na sinasabi ninyo?! Magpakatotoo tayo base sa mga experiences natin at hindi sa kung ano ang nakatala sa libro na wala namang matibay na basehan kung dapat ba talagang paniwalaan o hindi. 

May mga matibay na grounds ang divorce at hindi ito para gamitin lang sa madaling paraan. Tayo na lang at malta ang walang divorce law. Mahirap tlga lalo na sa bansang ito na karamihan ng tao ay hindi marunong mag-isip ng malalim. Hindi ibig sabihin pag gusto ng karamihan ay ayun ang tama!!!
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« Reply #98 on: June 20, 2011, 05:36:07 pm »
hindi ako naniniwala na walang tama o maling opinyon...lahat ng bagay o issue dpat magcome-up sa conclusion kung ano talaga ang tama para ayon ang masunod. ang ganyang klaseng pag-iisip na pantay lang ang pagtingin sa mga bagay ay nagpapakita ng kawalang paninindigan...

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Re: DIVORCE BILL (hay ano bang mga pulitiko kayo????? )
« Reply #99 on: June 20, 2011, 09:46:12 pm »
Pag may divorce bill na lalo magiging maingat ang mag-asawa na di maasar sa kanila ang isat-isa
at wala ng mang-aabuso, wala ng mangbababae/manlalalake - kung meron man, hiwalay lagot!