Topic: Villar and c5 insertion

[ratbukayo]

Ano tingin niyo sa hearing?
May mangyayari ba dito?
May insertion ba?
Sinuhulan ba talaga si enrile?

Sa hearing na ito, nawalan ako lalo ng gana bumoto. Talagang puro trapo na lang ang pag pilian. Taas pa naman tingin ko kina escudero, cayetano at pimentel dati.

[bobotnaman]

http://sphpglobal.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2116516:BlogPost:30365&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post
read.

[ratbukayo]

In summary, following are the highlights of the objective information made available:


1) There was no re-alignment of the original plan.

The original plan remains valid for completion as intended. There had been no wastage of previous expenditures.

pano yung lupa na nabili na at hindi na gagamitin? hindi ba waste yun?


2) DPWH submitted a supplemental alternate route for additional budget.

This is nothing extraordinary to any national or local infrastructure project. Whenever it had been warranted, improvements of originally submitted plans are simply submitted for additional funding.

kaya nila binili yung isa pang lupa ni villar? eh kung di naman kailangan, bakit mo bibilin? sayang yung pera, tulog sa lupa ngayon.



3) The supplemental alternate route is an improvement of the "original route".

No words of anyone can refute what the maps and the actual alternate route reflect.

so rerouting did happen? isn't that part of the issue? purchasing one lot of villar, then using the alternate route instead, which is also the property of villar. why was villars property far more expensive than those beside his property?



4) The unnecessary "brouhaha" was created simply as a political smear campaign.

The "investigative nature" of the Senate hearings was misused and abused by the Senators to fabricate slants, twists, and turns to cast doubt on the integrity of Sen. Manuel B. Villar, Jr.

The only thing that was needed was for DPWH to make a complete presentation of the what, why, how, where, and when about the supplemental alternate route that required additional funding.

That should have taken just one (1) session, instead of the absolutely unnecessary and useless number of "hearings" due to the questions raised BEFORE any single complete presentation of the supplemental alternate route project by DPWH.

bakit di niya harapin ang senado kung wala siya talagang kasalanan? wasn't he gunning for gma to appear in the senate to face her accusers?

5) Filipino Citizens should take note of the Senators involved in this smear campaign.

Those are the ones who should never be elected into any public office.

how can you be sure? aren't they all the same? they appear to protect political allies instead of protecting the filipino people and the taxes they pay.

[gkhan]

Mga senyora at senyores, pag limiin natin ang mga facts:

1.  Assuming for the sake of argument na may insertion, lahat yan ay daraan sa LEDAC.  Bakit naka lusot sa LEDAC in the first place?  Hindi ba pinagsamang congressmen at senador at bumoboto sa LEDAC at hindi lang si Mr. Manny?  In fact, wala naman yata si Mr. Manny sa botohan sa LEDAC at that time.  Ibig bang sabihin ay binili lahat ni Mr. Manny ang lahat ng members ng LEDAC that approved the budget?  Then, if you file a case against one man, you mean to say, all those that voted in the LEDAC are innocent?  Where is the equal protection that the Constitution provides?

2.  Hindi ba ang presyo ng lupa ngayon sa lugar na yan ay tumaas na dahil sa kalsadang nagawa?  So ano ang sinasabi nila na nalugi ang gobyerno?

3.  Bakit hindi nila binabanatan si Mr. Mike na nakinabang dyan at na sentro lang kay Mr. Manny ang banat?

4.  Hindi ba nag testify na sa hearings ng senado ang BIR na walang overprice at tama lang ang presyo ng pagkabili base sa zonal valuation at that time?  Bakit hindi nila nilalabas ang ganung katotohanan?

5.  Bakit hindi nila nilalabas ang findings ng COA na walang anomalya sa pagbili ng lupa?

Hindi issue ang pagharap sa senado if ang mga rules na gagamitin ay tama. The explanation of Ms. Domini in her column sa Philippine Star the other day should clear all these issues and a good reading for all those who wants to understand the issues involved here instead of just mouthing what those senators are saying.  Even Ms. Jamby does not seem to understand the issues involved.

I am not for Mr. Manny but justice and fair play should always rule any proceeding. Bakit ka naman haharap sa isang imbestigasyon na ang mga rules were stacked against the guy?  After they make those rules and Mr. Manny does not give them that privilege, they make it appear that Mr. Manny is running away and not facing his accusers?  At ang dami naman kinakagat ang linya na  yan without understanding the total picture.

[ratbukayo]

Mga senyora at senyores, pag limiin natin ang mga facts:


3.  Bakit hindi nila binabanatan si Mr. Mike na nakinabang dyan at na sentro lang kay Mr. Manny ang banat?

agree ako dito. dapat lahat nang may sala, sama sa investigation. no one should be above the law.

im not for anyone, and as ive said, "wala na akong gana". pareho lang mangyayari, iba lang ang nakaupo.

2.  Hindi ba ang presyo ng lupa ngayon sa lugar na yan ay tumaas na dahil sa kalsadang nagawa?  So ano ang sinasabi nila na nalugi ang gobyerno?

kaya nga may imbestigasyon dahil dito tumaas nga ang presyo ng lupa sa mga lugar na dinaanan ng kalsada na halos lupain at subdivision pagaari ni manny villar hinde naman sa gobyerno edi plus to kay villar, yung mga lupa na pagaari ni villar na ginawang kalsada eh masyado mataas ang presyo pagkakabili ng gobyerno plus kay villar na naman , so paano mo masasabi na di nalugi ang gobyerno dito, magandang proyekto pero obvious na may isang tao na higit na nakinabang

[johnholmes]

he did not participate in the senate investigation. he is presidential candidate now and should explain his side by answering point by point all accusations made against him during the investigation. hope he does kc people has to know whether it's sipag & tiyaga or  just "c5 & taga"

[charliehouse]

Mga senyora at senyores, pag limiin natin ang mga facts:

1.  Assuming for the sake of argument na may insertion, lahat yan ay daraan sa LEDAC.  Bakit naka lusot sa LEDAC in the first place?  Hindi ba pinagsamang congressmen at senador at bumoboto sa LEDAC at hindi lang si Mr. Manny?  In fact, wala naman yata si Mr. Manny sa botohan sa LEDAC at that time.  Ibig bang sabihin ay binili lahat ni Mr. Manny ang lahat ng members ng LEDAC that approved the budget?  Then, if you file a case against one man, you mean to say, all those that voted in the LEDAC are innocent?  Where is the equal protection that the Constitution provides?

In fact Ping and jamby voted yes for C5 back on those days...

[gkhan]

2.  Hindi ba ang presyo ng lupa ngayon sa lugar na yan ay tumaas na dahil sa kalsadang nagawa?  So ano ang sinasabi nila na nalugi ang gobyerno?

kaya nga may imbestigasyon dahil dito tumaas nga ang presyo ng lupa sa mga lugar na dinaanan ng kalsada na halos lupain at subdivision pagaari ni manny villar hinde naman sa gobyerno edi plus to kay villar, yung mga lupa na pagaari ni villar na ginawang kalsada eh masyado mataas ang presyo pagkakabili ng gobyerno plus kay villar na naman , so paano mo masasabi na di nalugi ang gobyerno dito, magandang proyekto pero obvious na may isang tao na higit na nakinabang

Senyor, bago nagkaroon ng kalsada ay binili ng gobyerno ang lupa na daraanan ng kalsada. Ito ang lupang pinaguuspan, ang lupa na dinaanan ng kalsada, the exact land where the road is. Ito ay binayaran ng gobyerno ayon sa zonal valuation ng BIR sa halaga ng lupa na yun - at that time bago gawin ang kalsada.  Yan ang lupa na pinag uusapan, hindi ang lupa ni Mr. Villar which is beside the road.  Ang lupa ni Villar ngayon ay ang lupa sa tabi ng kalsada. You have to make a differentiation. 

The government can not pay for a land at a value higher than the zonal valuation.  Otherwise, that would be graft.  The BIR already confirmed that the land was paid for based on the value at that time prior to the construction of the road.  So where is the graft?

If the values of those properties beside the road appreciated, is that the fault of Mr. Manny? Then, they should lay the blame on the LEDAC which approved the purchase as indicated on the budget which they approved at that time.

Kung bakit dumaan dun ang kalsada, that is the plan of the DPWH and that is a collective decision of the DPWH and not Mr. Manny.

Sana, pag isipan din natin kun ano talaga ang issue dyan at hindi just mouthing what the press or those senators are saying.

[sino_one]

1.Legal kaya ang pagbenta ni Villar ng kanyang lupain?Elected official siya diba?

2.Ledac ,bir and dpwh are to blame?As if those guys cant be bought.Kung hindi siguro corrupt ang mga ahensiyang iyan ay baka maniwala pa ako.

3.Yep,i do believe na hindi inimpluwensiyahan ni villar ang dpwh para piliin ang kanyang lupain.

4.Bakit kaya sinasabi ni villar na bibitawan na niya ang kanyang mga negosyo IF elected?dahil ba bawal?Hindi ba ito bawal sa mga senate?

5.For sure tataas ang mga lupain ni villar around those areas,may magandang road na eh.Papasalamat pa mga motorista dahil binigyan sila ni villar ng kalsada,just like daang hari road.Tapos sasabihin na walang alam si villar dyan. 

6.Ininterview yung nagmamay ari ng lupain na dapat daanan ng c5.About 50% cheaper yung lupa niya pero yung kay villar ang binili ng gobyerno.Yep,walang kinalaman si villar dyan.Maybe hindi rin niya alam ng binebenta na yung kanyang mga lupa.

Senyor, bago nagkaroon ng kalsada ay binili ng gobyerno ang lupa na daraanan ng kalsada. Ito ang lupang pinaguuspan, ang lupa na dinaanan ng kalsada, the exact land where the road is. Ito ay binayaran ng gobyerno ayon sa zonal valuation ng BIR sa halaga ng lupa na yun - at that time bago gawin ang kalsada.  Yan ang lupa na pinag uusapan, hindi ang lupa ni Mr. Villar which is beside the road.  Ang lupa ni Villar ngayon ay ang lupa sa tabi ng kalsada. You have to make a differentiation. 

The government can not pay for a land at a value higher than the zonal valuation.  Otherwise, that would be graft.  The BIR already confirmed that the land was paid for based on the value at that time prior to the construction of the road.  So where is the graft?

If the values of those properties beside the road appreciated, is that the fault of Mr. Manny? Then, they should lay the blame on the LEDAC which approved the purchase as indicated on the budget which they approved at that time.

Kung bakit dumaan dun ang kalsada, that is the plan of the DPWH and that is a collective decision of the DPWH and not Mr. Manny.

Sana, pag isipan din natin kun ano talaga ang issue dyan at hindi just mouthing what the press or those senators are saying.

engot ka pala eh yung ginawa na kalsada eh pagaari ni villar 7000 per square meter ang bili ng gobyerno tapos yung mga katabi na lupa na di kay villar 1000 ang bili hehehe na gets mo, 22 subdivisions ang nakapaligid sa c5 road na pagaari ni villar obvious na tataas ang presyo nun kita na naman ni villar so ano yun sina sabi mo na kikita ang gobyerno dinonate naba ni villar yung mga lupain nya sa gobyerno hehehe, sana pagisipan natin ang isyu ng mabuti ng di tayo nagmumukhang eng eng hehehe

[spikespeigel]

@ gkhan, hindi ibig sabihin dahil naaprobahan sa LEDAC ang GA na may insertion ni Villar eh wala ng liability si Villar...kahit sinong Herodes pa ang pumirma doon is immaterial...the fact was, there was undue influence on the part of Villar to ensure that the insertion stays imbeded in the GA from start to finish

As to the BIR Valuation...bakit mas mababa yung asessment ng BIR sa value ng ibang properties adjacent to that of Villar's? It is precisely because of this inconsistency why Villar's camp wasnt able to make use of the BIR assessment as a defense. Contrary to your claim that it could have exonerated Villar, it was in fact proof that the whole C-5 at Taga was in fact true because all the documents are offficial government record.

Another proof is the fact the DPWH have already paid for the right of way in the oiginal route for the project. Magkano nawala sa kaban ng bayan ng ibahin ang rota ng project para dumaan sa mga lupa ni Villar?

It leaves a bad taste in the mouth for you to say that we are just mouthing the statements of the anti-Villar senators.  Eh kung kami naman magtanong sa iyo if nabasa mo na ito?

http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20100130-250236/Manny-Villar-blameless

Basahin mo muna tapos post ka comment mo uli.

[ratbukayo]

@gkhan- its possible to buy a property at a cost above or below the zonal value. It merely acts as a guide for buyers and sellers. For example, the difference in price of a lot in valle verde with a broken down house, compared to a lot with a brand new house in the same village. They will have a big difference in pricing but will have 1 zonal value. The taxes you pay will be based on the zonal value.

[spikespeigel]

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http://depositfiles.com/files/nkztiplbz



Copy of Official Transcripts of the Privilege Speech of then Makati Rep. Joker Arroyo against then newly voted House Speake Manny Villar in 1998.

This privilege speech of Joker Arroyo outlined the business practices of Manny Villar and gives the reader an insight into the manner with which Manny Villar amassed his billions.

Clearly, the C-5 at Taga Scandal is not a new modus operandi for real estate development companies owned by Manny Villar.