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Espiya Newstand (Current Events, Classifieds, Events) => Current Discussions => Politics => : A7x October 06, 2016, 02:23:43 PM
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This is the scenario that no one understand but the common Filipino people. And when we demanded for a change to keep us and our family safe, the oligarchs, CHR, CBCP, UN and westerners condemn us. I'm not hoping for them to experience what that kid experienced but at least Lord open their minds and hearts. We may not be wealthy and we are not into competition of who's who in this world...all we are just asking is fair government, safe and healthy life and promising future for our kids.
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eto isang magandang argument din dyan:
http://www.philstar.com/nation/2016/09/26/1627294/4-cops-sacked-over-ofws-slay
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Next time. Patayin din kita lagyan kita shabu sa bulsa. Payag ka? Blind dutertrolls. Rule of man na at hindi rule of law gusto mo?
then held those cops liable... next question?
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Next time. Patayin din kita lagyan kita shabu sa bulsa. Payag ka? Blind dutertrolls. Rule of man na at hindi rule of law gusto mo?
I acknowledge may nagpaplant talaga ng ebidensya. Pero hindi lahat. Bago pa man sa administradyon ni duterte old news na yung may nagpaplant basta may mga gagong pulis parin na in power. Mas bulag ka kung pinapaniwalaan mong lahat ng biktima na napatay sa drug war ay sinetup lang. His orders are clear, watch all his speeches. If the suspects are endangering your life, kill them instead. Ang naririnig nyo lang ata is "kill them". Ngayon responsibilidad na ng pulis kung gago sya at papatayin nalang ng walang laban ang mga suspect nila.
Fyi din pala iniimbestigahan din ang mga pulis for every operation na may napapatay sila, watch mo yung mga first hearings on ejk kung di ka naniniwala may mga nakakasuhan din sa mga unlawful actions ng pulis at napaparusahan. Kaya nga tingin ko nagswitch nalang sila kay matobato para madiscredit nalang ang current administration. Which is so far a failure.
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There are basically 2 kinds of pinoys right now.
1) Those who are happy to see thousands of smalltime drug users die at a fast rate even at the expense of a few dead innocents.
2) Those who want due process even if it means a slower drug war if it means insuring no corrupt cop can use the opportunity to kill innocents.
Arguably most dutertards fall on number 1.
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Statistically kasi ang dami ng napapatay at lahat sinasabing lumaban. Nung ngg mayor nd davao si DU30 tumaas ang napapatay either by pulis or dds daw. Tapos ngayon buong Pilipinas tumaas ang napapatay at EJK nung siya na Presidente.
Ang daming EJK na nangyari pero alang nahuhuling suspek hindi ba nagmumukhang inutil naman ang pulis.
Ayos na hulihan ang drug lords pati na drug addict. Pero ang nakakatakot kasi meron killing /salvage pero hindi pulis ang gumawa. Anu ginagawa ng mga pulis para mahuli itong mga ito...
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Statistically kasi ang dami ng napapatay at lahat sinasabing lumaban. Nung ngg mayor nd davao si DU30 tumaas ang napapatay either by pulis or dds daw. Tapos ngayon buong Pilipinas tumaas ang napapatay at EJK nung siya na Presidente.
Ang daming EJK na nangyari pero alang nahuhuling suspek hindi ba nagmumukhang inutil naman ang pulis.
Ayos na hulihan ang drug lords pati na drug addict. Pero ang nakakatakot kasi meron killing /salvage pero hindi pulis ang gumawa. Anu ginagawa ng mga pulis para mahuli itong mga ito...
Well kung statistics ang paguusapan. Sobrang baba ng total "ejk" incidents na kahit isama pa yung under investigation cases kung ikukumpara sa total arrests(no deaths). Also, the number of deaths where relatively equal lang dun sa past administration according to the statistics. The numbers were shown sa ejk hearings if you want to check for yourself.
Nakafocus kasi masyado dun sa deaths check nyo naman yung total numbers. Be fair lang when you conclude things.
For example lang. Si trillanes on the watch question, concluded na agad na di na mapagkakatiwalaan sya na witness. Pero pag si matobato kahit ilan lapses or pagiba ng istorya, binibgyan parin ng benefit of the doubt. Hes judging from one side only. Thats how most people who are against ejk issues view this incidents as well. May mabalita lang na may lokong pulis na nagplant/salvage concluded na lahat or mostly ganun na ginagawa. Nakalean na agad kayo sa bad side if things.
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Sa totoo lng? May tiwala ako kay Duterte pero wala akong tiwala gaano sa "ibang" mga pulis . Magaadjust nalang siguro ako, dati may mga ruta akong di dinaraanan dahil baka maholdap ako o ano, pero ngayon magkukulong nlng ako sa bahay bahala silang magpatayan hahahaha tragis yan mahirap tlaga maging mahirap.
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this is again another topic of are you with du30 or against him... :)
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this is again another topic of are you with du30 or against him... :)
Parang ganun na nga. Every incident kasi si duterte laging dawit kahit hindi na sya directly involved.
Nothing new, ganun din naman last administration with the "kasalanan to ni pnoy" mentality ng ibang tao. Always looking for someone to blame. Nakakalungkot sa totoo lang.
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puro kasi negative ang pinapansin.
(discuss nyu naman yung positive side lalo na sa mga accomplishment nya for 100days palang)
kaya walang asenso negative agad nasa isip
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di ba nga ang sabi nya bago mag-election, magiging madugo ang laban sa droga, kaming mga bomoto sa kanya, gusto namin dumanak ang dugo ng mga pushers PAG LUMABAN sila..uulitin ko L U M A B A N
Mahirap na pusher man yan o mayaman basta lumaban, PATAYIN, tadtarin ng bala, un bang hindi na mkikilala. Sinisira na nga ang mga tao gamit ang droga nila, magtatangka pa sila pumatay ng pulis. ::laffman
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puro kasi negative ang pinapansin.
(discuss nyu naman yung positive side lalo na sa mga accomplishment nya for 100days palang)
kaya walang asenso negative agad nasa isip
Ganun talaga naoovershadow kasi nang mas madaming negative yung mga positive e.
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here's the question that will define what's really happening...
"do you feel safer in the streets now particularly in the evening???"
your guess is as good as mine...
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I actually feel the same. I live in a neighbor hood where the likelihood of getting robbed by criminals has not changed.
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Well kung statistics ang paguusapan. Sobrang baba ng total "ejk" incidents na kahit isama pa yung under investigation cases kung ikukumpara sa total arrests(no deaths). Also, the number of deaths where relatively equal lang dun sa past administration according to the statistics. The numbers were shown sa ejk hearings if you want to check for yourself.
well sagutin ko lang ito... apple to apple ang comparison dapat ejk ngayon within the past 3 months to ejk noon last year of the same month to see talaga kung meron or walang pinagbago or tumaas talaga... para masabi kung meron increase or wala depende kasi kung saan angle mo siya titingnan. Numbers can always be manipulated kaya mas maganda may nakalatag lagi na point of referrence. Yun sa EJK hearing kasi ang pinaki dun ay pagbaba ng total crime like rape, holdap etc... Remember din na meron ibang pulis precint hindi naglilista ng EJK kaya kapag pinakita ang media tally at police report hindi magkaparehas. Like yun hinuli na OFW na nakita nalang patay kinabukasan alang record/blotter yun kung hindi pa nakita sa CCTV hindi malalaman na hinuli ng pulis
I am not against sa fight against drug against lang ako sa EJK.
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Ganun talaga naoovershadow kasi nang mas madaming negative yung mga positive e.
then why you have to patronize bad news instead of good news?
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As I said the bad news is worse than the good news. That's why it is what we discuss and that is why we are spreading it, para baka sakaling mabago.
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As I said the bad news is worse than the good news. That's why it is what we discuss and that is why we are spreading it, para baka sakaling mabago.
For arguments sake, you dont want people to die right? Then what possible change do you want to happen? How do you catch criminals knowing most of them have guns?
Baka pwede nating irefer sa mga kapulisan yan mga idea nyo para wala ng mamatay. Im all for it kung meron kayong paraan. Otherwise let the authorities do their job to the best that they can.
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well sagutin ko lang ito... apple to apple ang comparison dapat ejk ngayon within the past 3 months to ejk noon last year of the same month to see talaga kung meron or walang pinagbago or tumaas talaga... para masabi kung meron increase or wala depende kasi kung saan angle mo siya titingnan. Numbers can always be manipulated kaya mas maganda may nakalatag lagi na point of referrence. Yun sa EJK hearing kasi ang pinaki dun ay pagbaba ng total crime like rape, holdap etc... Remember din na meron ibang pulis precint hindi naglilista ng EJK kaya kapag pinakita ang media tally at police report hindi magkaparehas. Like yun hinuli na OFW na nakita nalang patay kinabukasan alang record/blotter yun kung hindi pa nakita sa CCTV hindi malalaman na hinuli ng pulis
I am not against sa fight against drug against lang ako sa EJK.
I wont argue with this. As ive said i acknowledge na may incidents talaga na may ginagawanģ kalokohan ang mga pulis. Pero to relate this case to everyone or most of them is just unfair.
Also no one can really say if the numbers are manipulated like you think. If it is, then why didnt the anti ejk team focused on it rather than switching to matobato?
Your opinion has merits but i dont think thats the case.
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For arguments sake, you dont want people to die right? Then what possible change do you want to happen? How do you catch criminals knowing most of them have guns?
Baka pwede nating irefer sa mga kapulisan yan mga idea nyo para wala ng mamatay. Im all for it kung meron kayong paraan. Otherwise let the authorities do their job to the best that they can.
I'm all up for legit criminals dying. Good riddance. But not at the cost of innocents and double standards. It's simple. Use due process on everyone not just on big fish and the cops. Pag mga small time pusher o user kasi merong mandate na hulihin na agad at mag fireback kung papalag. Etong aggressive campaign na ito yung sinasamantala nung mga corrupt na pulis o nang mga ibang kriminal din. Kasi kung may kagalit sila e papatayin na lang tapos papalabasin na lumaban. O kaya yung iba e hoholdapin tapos papatayin then kunyari vigilante yung tumira tapos nasa watchlist. E kung yung due process para sa lahat edi maiiwasan yun.
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I'm all up for legit criminals dying. Good riddance. But not at the cost of innocents and double standards. It's simple. Use due process on everyone not just on big fish and the cops. Pag mga small time pusher o user kasi merong mandate na hulihin na agad at mag fireback kung papalag. Etong aggressive campaign na ito yung sinasamantala nung mga corrupt na pulis o nang mga ibang kriminal din. Kasi kung may kagalit sila e papatayin na lang tapos papalabasin na lumaban. O kaya yung iba e hoholdapin tapos papatayin then kunyari vigilante yung tumira tapos nasa watchlist. E kung yung due process para sa lahat edi maiiwasan yun.
Due process is used on everyone as far as mandate and the orders of the president. I dont understand why you keep insisting on the bad cops incidents. Bilang na bilang lang yan dahil nalilinis narin naman ang mga taong sangkot. Kahit hindi aggressive ang war on drugs, incidents like that are already happening. And for the past incidents na expose sila nababawasan narin sila.
Its not that simple. Ang premise mo walang lalaban sa mga mahuhuli pero ang reality meron talaga if you check the news on police dying as well. The big fish arent dumb enough to fight back kaya walang incident na napapatay kung yan ang pinopoint out mo. They are still hoping that money can save them. Porket buhay lang mga big fish double standards na?
Ang sad reality lang is ang mga mahihirap ay wala ng choice but to fight for freedom dahil wala naman silang pera. Pero ang mga mayayaman may pagasa pa dahil nga they can hire lawyers and has a chance na maacquit for lack of evidence and such.
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By the way ang solution na sinabi mo is what they are implementing, bad cops aside.
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puro kasi negative ang pinapansin.
(discuss nyu naman yung positive side lalo na sa mga accomplishment nya for 100days palang)
kaya walang asenso negative agad nasa isip
Well as i can see po the topic is "Usapang EJK:Here's one crazy drug addict. Now, imagine there's 3 million of this" so i suppose there is no positive side re this?
Proly create a new topic/ thread to discuss those positive accomplishment?
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Yesrterday, Oct 8, 2016, 3 people died here in Malabon. They were gunned down in broad daylight. Only one of them was on the drugs watch list. the two others i dont know much of the details if they were also inside the vehicle or bystanders. But two innocents died.
Last week, another person who was in the drugs watch list was gunned down on his bed right beside his grandson.
Nasaan ang due process? Hindi pa ba matatawag na EJK iyan? Lumalakas ang loob ng pulis and criminals alike dahil sa mga statements na binibitawan ng Pangulo. Namimis-interpret nila ang sinasabi ni Du30. Alam ko nagpapakatotoo lang si Du30, sasabihin nya gusto nyang sabihin, kaya lang may masamang epekto na.
Personally, nakakatakot pa rin lumabas ngayon dahil sa killings, lumalakas loob ng lawless elements (including police) pumatay. Nabawasan nga ang ibang crimes pero yung napapatay, 3000 in 3 months... totoo nga sabi ni Du30, war on drugs will be bloody... pero hindi lahat ng namatay ay lumaban.
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Siguro madali lang mgkumento sa mga bagay n ganyan ilagay nyo sarili nyo s mga pulis at kriminal.. Hindi madali ang manghuli ng criminal lalo n pag walang testigo at hindi lahat ng namamatay pulis agad may kagagawan lalo n sa mga vigilante killings.. Naglilinis din ng hanay nila ang mga drug lords lalo n ung mga ayaw ng magtulak o gumamit dahil s OPLAN TOKHANG or s drug war o kaya ung mga ayaw ng sumuporta s knila.. Pag once na pinasok mo ang drug trade or suportahan ito wag mong expect n mkakalabas k ng buhay alam ng mga yan ang pinasok nila lalo na pg nagkagipitan.. I believe na yang mga tulak n yan pag maputi na ang buhok nila saka lang sila mgbabago.. Face the truth guys kung sino pa mga kriminal sila pa ang kinatatakutan ng mga pulitiko or pulis dati buti n lng dumating si DU30 sila nmn ang takot ngaun.. Marami n rin ang namamatay dati ano ba pagkakaiba s ngaun??.. Siguro dati mga inosenteng sibilyan lagi laman ng balita ngaun nmn kriminal na either pusher/user.. Mas ok n ako s mga balita ngaun na mga salot s lipunan ang namamatay kesa noon walang takot ang mga kriminal kung pumatay..
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Yesrterday, Oct 8, 2016, 3 people died here in Malabon. They were gunned down in broad daylight. Only one of them was on the drugs watch list. the two others i dont know much of the details if they were also inside the vehicle or bystanders. But two innocents died.
Last week, another person who was in the drugs watch list was gunned down on his bed right beside his grandson.
Nasaan ang due process? Hindi pa ba matatawag na EJK iyan? Lumalakas ang loob ng pulis and criminals alike dahil sa mga statements na binibitawan ng Pangulo. Namimis-interpret nila ang sinasabi ni Du30. Alam ko nagpapakatotoo lang si Du30, sasabihin nya gusto nyang sabihin, kaya lang may masamang epekto na.
Personally, nakakatakot pa rin lumabas ngayon dahil sa killings, lumalakas loob ng lawless elements (including police) pumatay. Nabawasan nga ang ibang crimes pero yung napapatay, 3000 in 3 months... totoo nga sabi ni Du30, war on drugs will be bloody... pero hindi lahat ng namatay ay lumaban.
Hindi rin lahat namamatay. Mas madami ngang naaaresto e.
I feel sorry for the innocents but for not understanding the situation of the police duty parang preferred niyo pa na wag nalang sila gumawa ng operations.
Wag na sana tayo umasa na there is a more peaceful way or tanong ko nga is baka meron kayong alam ilahad nyo na para marefer na natin yan sa law enforcement.
Walang mala-kenshin himura sa mga pulis na kaya magpataob ng maraming kriminal ng hindi nakakapatay at kaya umiwas sa mga bala. Wishful thinking nalang ang inaasam nyo.
Ejk imo is the action of criminals. Wag nyo naman idamay ang buong sistema ng law enforcement. (Criminal ka na rin kung pulis ka pero gumagawa ng katarantaduhan).
Naaassociate lagi e which is hindi naman tama and unfair for those loyal to our country that is only doing their duty.
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Bilang na bilang lang yan dahil nalilinis narin naman ang mga taong sangkot. Kahit hindi aggressive ang war on drugs, incidents like that are already happening. And for the past incidents na expose sila nababawasan narin sila.
As I've said pro dutertes like it at the expense of the few dead innocents while the rest doesn't. And sabi ko nga dahil aggressive masyado ang war on drugs e mas madami ang nagsasamantala sa pag kakataon. E yung mga pulis nga na sangkot e puro mga under investigation lang at tanggal lang sa trabaho samantalang yung mga bikitima patay na.
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Hahaha! napaka daling sumuporta sa issue na to, (why not, this is the time na we will have a leader such as who we have now) lalo na kung di ka pulis at kung di ka naman magtuturo ng mga talagang gumagamit/ nagtutulak sa lugar mo (yung may proof without a reasonable doubt ha?)
PERO pag dumating ang pagkakataon na ang kaibigan/ kamaganak mo o IKAW mismo na alam mong malinis at innocente talaga ang nadamay sa issue nato. paniguradong iikot ang tumbong mo, mauubos ang buhok mo at magmumuka kang matanda sa edad mo kakahanap ng HUSTISYA at magtatanong: "NASAN ANG DUE PROCESS?"... pero kanino ka lalapit? sang ahensya ka lalapit na alam mong makakatulong sayo.. (lets be reminded that they are government and we are citizens)?
Kaya i wish us all the luck na wala sa mga ka-espiya ko ang makakaranas neto within the next 6 years (minus 100 days) of our lives. :)
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sana nga wala mangyari sa mga ka espiya natin at sa pamilya nila ang masagasaan ng walang kwenta pag patay....kaya lang nakakatakot, 100 days pa lang ang nakakalipas so six years o 2090 days pa natitira, bago ka maka hinga ng maluwag.....so everyday at night na naglalakad ka at pamilya mo di ka safe na may masalubong kang rider in tandem..at madamay kayo...
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Hahaha! napaka daling sumuporta sa issue na to, (why not, this is the time na we will have a leader such as who we have now) lalo na kung di ka pulis at kung di ka naman magtuturo ng mga talagang gumagamit/ nagtutulak sa lugar mo (yung may proof without a reasonable doubt ha?)
PERO pag dumating ang pagkakataon na ang kaibigan/ kamaganak mo o IKAW mismo na alam mong malinis at innocente talaga ang nadamay sa issue nato. paniguradong iikot ang tumbong mo, mauubos ang buhok mo at magmumuka kang matanda sa edad mo kakahanap ng HUSTISYA at magtatanong: "NASAN ANG DUE PROCESS?"... pero kanino ka lalapit? sang ahensya ka lalapit na alam mong makakatulong sayo.. (lets be reminded that they are government and we are citizens)?
Kaya i wish us all the luck na wala sa mga ka-espiya ko ang makakaranas neto within the next 6 years (minus 100 days) of our lives. :)
pwede rin gamitin ng mga takot sa kriminal mga linya mo...
sana di ka maholdap ng addict
sana di ka marape ng addict
sana di ka mapatay ng addict
PERO pag dumating ang pagkakataon na ang kaibigan/ kamaganak mo o IKAW mismo na alam mong malinis at innocente talaga ang nadamay sa issue nato. paniguradong iikot ang tumbong mo, mauubos ang buhok mo at magmumuka kang matanda sa edad mo kakahanap ng HUSTISYA at magtatanong: "NASAN ANG DUE PROCESS?"... pero kanino ka lalapit? sang ahensya ka lalapit na alam mong makakatulong sayo.. (lets be reminded that they are government and we are citizens)?
ang tanong ngayon, sino ang mas tama?
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Ang pagkakaiba, dati yung mga holdaper lang yung kinakatakutan ngayon pati mga pulis na kasi baka mapagtripan ka.
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May media mentality narin pala yung iba dito. They only highlight a part of the whole post then disregard the other points. That being said, im done with this thread.
I respect everyones opinion since lahat naman tayo hangad lang mapabuti bansa natin. Hope for the best nalang :)
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May media mentality narin pala yung iba dito. They only highlight a part of the whole post then disregard the other points. That being said, im done with this thread.
I respect everyones opinion since lahat naman tayo hangad lang mapabuti bansa natin. Hope for the best nalang :)
Mashado na kasi na highlight yang 3,000+ na namatay and allegedly because of EJK.
- based on police records nasa 1500 lang ang related to drugs the others are from other incidents
- 14,000 have been captured and alive based on police operations
- hundreds of thousands of drug addicts and drug pushers have surrendered because of their new oplan thing.
- based on Cayetano's presentation, from 2010 up to 2015, on average the numbers of murder incidents were actually higher than the average from the past 3 months of the new administration
hindi ako sure sa mga numbers. based on memory lang sa mga napanood kong hearing about EJK.
people are so fixated on the 3000+ EJK and its because of de lima and trillanes which we all know has a different agenda
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Of the 3000+ dead in this war mas madami ang namatay via suspected ejk/vigilante justice kesa sa ligitimate police operations.
Tanong ko lang sa mga supporters, anong action ang ginagawa ng PNP para mapigilan yung so called vigilante killings? As far are as I know thats against the law. Even if criminal pa yung pinatay, if its is not sanctioned by the law then its still murder. So ilang "vigilante" na po ba ang nahuli since the begining of this war?
I myself dont have any problem kung yung mga pinapatay eh mga criminal talaga. Yung tipong "beyond reasonable doubt" but we dont know that do we? Also, to those who think "colateral damages" are acceptable so long as criminals are killed. I wonder kung ganyan pa din ang magiging opinion nyo kung kayo oh pamilya nyo ang maging "collateral"
We also have to keep in mind that drug use/addiction does not equate to heinous crime. Hindi lahat ng user eh nagiging rapist oh mamamatay tao, so to judge the 3m drug users in this country as if all of them are mass murdering psychos is not fair as well..
Then there is the need for a longterm solution.. simply killing the users/pusher will not solve the drug problem. We must determine the root cause of this problem, the reason as to why hordes of people turn to illegal drugs and create programs that will adress them.
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Etong. Alam mo yung salitang i neutralize lang kapag lumaban? Wag patayin at ineutralize lang. Yun lang yan. Kaso bobo police e. Tinutuluyan kasi mga tauhan nila mga pusher na yan e
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for a change in the way this topic is going, can't we think of a better solution for the drug menace? i mean, everything has it's pros and cons based on the discussion and there seems to be no clear cut solution to solve the issue... everybody wants a safer country and everyone wishes this problem to end... so, since we all agree on one thing, can't we give insights on a better way to minimize the possibility for ejks?
for me, if possible, let members of the media and chr be present in all operations... that way, there will be eyewitnesses on the operations.. also, the possibility of all operatives to have cameras on them so that everything will be seen and recorded to serve as deterrent for possible foul plays...