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Here's just an idea on my mind... let me share my thoughts in relation to a thread posted by an Espiya (http://espiya.net/forum/index.php/topic,86428.0.html) regarding his frustration with the corruption in the Philippines.

I call this the Final Solution by Espiya.Net.

The idea is to find a land mass, a new territory, where people who want change, who are sick of the culture, the corruption, the war and people who are willing to shed off their bad traits and start building a new nation.

This new territory can be an island. It can be as small as Hawaii.

We can start building a new country of Filipinos away from the Philippines. We can pool our resources or money to BUY an island, and declare a new nation.

The new nation will be a nation of Filipinos who are reformed, disciplined and motivated. They shall value work, God and family. They shall not accept bribes and be honest in business. They shall eat less rice and eat more meat, drink milk, and have good health care. Alcohol will be regulated. Gambling shall be banned in the first years of nation building.

We will have a strict immigration policy. People coming from the Philippines will be screened thoroughly for diseases, bad traits, family history (corruption).

We can call this Espiya campaign: the Final Solution for Filipinos and the Philippines.

This is not a rebellion nor a revolution. There will be no fight. We will just leave the Philippines (goodbye 100 years of corruption), live in a new territory which we OWN, and start a new life as new Filipinos.

Share your thoughts. Pro or contra.


« Last Edit: December 12, 2008, 03:13:52 am by Sargeant General (SG) »
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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2008, 03:55:13 am »
The idea of yours is good SG.. but that is not as simple as you think..
There are so many factors which you must understand before building a new nation.
It is possible but it will took so many years before you achieve that goal.
Another fact is that you don't have enough supporters to do such plus you will need more money and power.
I am not a pro or contra.. but I think it will not work.

check this > HOW TO START YOUR OWN MICRONATION

Just my opinion!

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2008, 04:04:14 am »
yan ung plano ng mayor namin dito.. ( mr. duterte ) mindanao would separate itself from the philippines and create our own country here.. with our bountiful resources, no doubt we mindanaoans would be rich...
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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2008, 06:29:51 am »
Wow parang The Beach.

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2008, 12:41:50 pm »
It's gonna be like Singapore. Maraming Islands na dito sa pinas ang may pangalan. What if we build a man-made island. Tulad nga ng sabi ko, just like Singapore. Magiging cool yun for sure. Walang corruption, handle ang buhay na matiwasay, masaya yan at for sure magiging maunlad ang bansang yan, just like Singapore.

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2008, 05:23:53 pm »
mindanao pnka ideal territory para jan.
magnda climate,medyu pristine pa environment thanks to wars bet gov and rebel islamist medyu di napasok
ng industrialization ang mindanao....

OT: im not being racist here or ano but medyu ayaw ko lg dun siguro mga muslim.
i have a bad experience before sumakay ako sa barko pauwi ng manila malas nasakyan ko boat coming from mindanao
ngstop over lg ng bacolod,i hate mga ugali ng muslim kung saan-saan ngdududura sa barko,mga anak nila nkahubad hinahayaan lg nila gumala gala and ang mga lalakeng muslim pakalat-kalat sa barko di ngsusuot t-shirt kala mo tambay.
and dami ng aaway - sila-sila mismo agawan ng pwesto - isa sya dw nauna pero me number ang pwesto ei pnpaalis sya ayaw.

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2008, 06:17:37 pm »
i love that idea. but i think the problem is not in geography but solely lies in the hearts of every pinoys. we may change locations or even start a new breed, but if self-centeredness, pride and wickedness is present we can only hope and pray...  smoking::

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2008, 06:21:22 pm »
i love that idea. but i think the problem is not in geography but solely lies in the hearts of every pinoys. we may change locations or even start a new breed, but if self-centeredness, pride and wickedness is present we can only hope and pray...  smoking::

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2008, 06:38:34 pm »


WOW!! great idea!   toast::  toast::


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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2008, 09:36:41 pm »
finger sana kita, kaso wala pala sa board na to..I agree bro.

i agree to the both of you... kung gusto natin bumuo ng isang bagong filipino country, we must start first s puso at utak ng taong bubuo ng nation n yan. wala rin nmang kwenta kung bumili k ng isang land mass tapos ang ilalagay mo dun e mga taong may sayad sa utak at corrupt wala rin. mahirap n talaga ang sitwasyn ng pinas kasi marami n ang pag iisip e wala n sa tama.... kahit mali gingagwa ng tama dahil sa sariling kapakanan. kanya kanya na.


mas maganda siguro alisin  ang mga mabubuting tao sa pinas tapos tirahin ng nuke ang mga matitirang corrupt saka pag ok n ibalik ang mga good filipinos then mag umpisang bumuo ng nation.


impossible idea ..... idea lang naman
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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2008, 09:55:38 pm »
pagbabago ang kailangan hindi bagong isla... lahat tayo may katungkulan ipang lisanin ang kurapsion sa ating lipunan... maging bahagi tayo sa solusyon at di sa problema...

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2008, 10:51:58 pm »
pagbabago ang kailangan hindi bagong isla... lahat tayo may katungkulan ipang lisanin ang kurapsion sa ating lipunan... maging bahagi tayo sa solusyon at di sa problema...

tama ka dyan pare.. di naman talaga sulusyon yan.. at isa pa, panu mo paghihiwalayin yung mga mabubuti sa masasama? anu yun gagamit ka ng lie detector test, geiger counter or some sort of apparatus na magchecheck ng ugali ng isang tao? hirap nun!

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2008, 12:57:10 am »
sabi nga dun sa isang pelikula, kung gusto mong magbago ang pilipinas, gilitan mo lahat ng mga pilipino.

nasa kultura, paniniwala, puso at kaluluwa na ng lahat ng pilipino ang mga kinasusuklaman natin, hindi natin kayang takasan ito sa pamamagitan ng pagpunta sa malayong lupain, ang kailangan lang natin gawin ay ang piliin ang mabuti kesa masama.

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2008, 05:48:37 am »
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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2008, 07:30:28 am »
di naman monopolize ng bansa natin ang corruption. mas masahol pa sa marami pang bansa..eto ay isang sakit ng lipunan ng tao maski saan ka pumunta. ang tunay at malawak na corruption ay nasa pribadong sector natin. laganap ang mga lagayan sa baba at itaas ng mga kumpanya.. di lng sila napapansin dahil nga pribado sila.

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2008, 10:04:46 am »
Thanks for all the responses. This is becoming a good discussion...

I still believe that the environment plays a big role in molding us. Kung napapalibutan ka ng corruption, katamaran, kalokohan, 80% ito din ang makaka-impluwensya sa yo.

Kung aalis ka sa ganoong environment, mas malaki ang pag-asa na ang isang grupo ng tao ay makakapagtayo ng panibagong kultura, kaisipan at pamamalakad sa lipunan.

HIndi naman bago ang ideya ng exodus.

Tingnan ang Taiwan. Dito nagsilipatan ang nga Instik na ayaw maging pasakop sa Communist China.

Oo, Intsik pa din sila, pero iba na ang kanilang politika at pamumuhay.

Kung pipilitin mong ibaligtad ang Pilipinas mula sa loob, kailangan mo ng rebolusyon at ito ay madugong digmaan.

Kung nais mong bumuo ng bagong bansa na ang mga mamamayan ay committed na talikuran ang bulok na sistema, makakatulong kung sila ay hindi nasasakop ng isang corrupt na pamahalaan at kultura.

Ito ang dahilan kung bakit nabuo ang mga maliliit na bansa mula sa mga malalaking imperyo.

Ano ang masasabi nyo dito?





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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2008, 04:58:41 pm »
not so fast, di to mangyayari. bibili ka ng island, sabihin eh kaso nasa pinas ka pa rin. sakop ka pa rin ng philippine laws. now kung gagayahin natin si piratebay, kelangan maghanap ng island na wala sa area of responsibility ng mga bansa. i doubt makahanap ka pa nun. hten kung meron, malamang bibilhin mo pa un, sa piratebay nga billion of $$$ yun island just off greenland ata, tapos para lang sya oil rig and not a natural island talaga. tapos, gagawa ka pa ng nation. san ka kukuha ng pera? philippine pesos pa rin gagamitin? GDP asan? and army mo nasan? kung lusubin ka ng pirata o magnanakaw man lang,ano gagawin mo? these reasons alone will make this impossible to happen

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2008, 12:50:48 am »
not so fast, di to mangyayari. bibili ka ng island, sabihin eh kaso nasa pinas ka pa rin. sakop ka pa rin ng philippine laws. now kung gagayahin natin si piratebay, kelangan maghanap ng island na wala sa area of responsibility ng mga bansa. i doubt makahanap ka pa nun. hten kung meron, malamang bibilhin mo pa un, sa piratebay nga billion of $$$ yun island just off greenland ata, tapos para lang sya oil rig and not a natural island talaga. tapos, gagawa ka pa ng nation. san ka kukuha ng pera? philippine pesos pa rin gagamitin? GDP asan? and army mo nasan? kung lusubin ka ng pirata o magnanakaw man lang,ano gagawin mo? these reasons alone will make this impossible to happen

may tama ka brader!  toast:: posible yang sinabi mo. dito na lang ako sa pinas, kesa malusob ako ng pirata. bka kainin pa ako ng buhay nung mga un eh.  :D :D :D


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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2008, 01:38:34 am »
it would be easy if we change our form of government, gawin nating Socialist Republic of the Philippines

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2008, 06:36:36 am »
Good points have been raised...

To anwer your points...

1. The island is not part of the Philippines. Why would you want to be anywhere near the Philippines and be invaded by the Abu Sayyaf?
2. The project should be funded by contributions. No single person can buy an island, unless you are filthy rich.
3. The funding should include the building up of an army, coast guard and air force.

Just think of this.... this is an idea.. maybe not in my lifetime... but for you to consider.

Nobody else has ever thought of this. Maybe its close to Muslim secession but the idea is not to ask a part of Philippine territory. It is to find a new homeland, just like the early Americans did when they left their European homelands, just like the Irish and Italians did when they fled their home countries to start a new life in a new land... same people, preserved culture but different work ethic, different discipline, different mindset and different government.

Your thoughts?



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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2008, 08:45:33 am »
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Believe me, I got your point. mahirap lang talaga to pull it off, even in 10 lifetimes pa. Si piratebay.org international pa ang dating, di man lang aabot sa 1/10 ng kelngan na pera. and i believe mahirap ka ng makakita ng unoccupied/unowned island sa panahon ngayon kasi.. tingnan mo spratley dami away away.. ang naiisip ko na lang eh sa antarctica, pwd pero hmmm.. sino naman titira dun anlamig kasi..

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2008, 08:58:21 am »
It will all begin within each and everyone of us. magandang plan yan sir kung magiging possible kaso may mga taong sakim sa kapangyarihan. hindi masamang itry ang ibang claseng systema ng gobyerno pero it i will take a lot of good people to make this possible. mahirap mag name drop pero nung akala natin magagawa ng people power ang maibangon tayo dahil may bago tayong leader pero nandito pa din tayo dismayado sa kinatatayuan natin. hindi rin naman tayu pwdeng manghusga dahil hindi madalli mgpalakad ng isang bansa. pero ang sa akin lang nasa sarili natin ang pagbabago kahit saan man lugar tayo mapunta. ang masama noon ay kahit saan man din tayo may mga taong naliligaw ng landas at natutukso dahil sa kapangyarihan. ika nga pag my isang uod sa loob ng basket ng mansanas lahat ng mansanas ay maaring uurin. Sana dumating yun panahon na hindi na tayo mapabilang sa 3rd world country. Sana un panahon na yun ay madanasan ng mga anak natin dahil sa ngaun medyo malabo pa ito.

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2008, 09:40:34 pm »
pasensya na pero ito ang aking panig... kung totoong mahal nyo ang bayan nyo at talagang nasa puso nyo ang pagiging pilipino, bakit natin iiwanan ang bayan na ating nakagisnan.. ang bayan na ipinaglaban ng ating mga ninuno upang maging bansang malaya, ang bayan na binuwisan ng buhay ng ating mga bayani upang magkaroon tayo ng sariling bansa na maipagmamalaki sa ibang lahi... wala sa pagtatayo ng panibagong bansa ang solusyon, kung bakit tayo nandito sa pilipinas ay dahil sinadya ng diyos na tayo ay mapunta dito.. we live here because we have a purpose... kaya lalo tayo nagkakawatak watak ay dahil mas gusto natin magsarili at iwanan ang ating mga kapwa pilipino, oo, panget na kung panget ang pilipinas, malas lang natin dahil sa panahong ito tayo nabuhay.. ngunit may pag asa pa, at ang pag asa ay nasa bawat isa sa atin.. ang ibang mga bansa nga ay gustong makipag sosyo at bumuo ng mas malaking bansa tapos tayo ay naman mga pilipino ay nag iisip na maghiwahiwalay, sa tingin nyo ba ay makakakuha tayo ng respeto sa ibang lahi kung bubuo tayo ng kahiwalay na bansa, lalo lamang tayo pagtatawanan ng malalaking bansa dahil alam nila na lalo tayo hihina at di na makikipagsabayan sa kanilang ekonomiya.. bakit ba ang UNITED states, UNITED kingdom, UNITED arab emirates ay mauunlad na bansa? oo marami silang resources, tayo din naman marami ding resources, pero iyon ay dahil "UNITED" sila... mas pinili nila magsama sama kesa magwatak watak.. yun lamang po, mabuhay ang mga pilipino na nagmamahal sa pilipinas at naniniwalang ito ay ang lupang pangako...... sana, wala nang ilokano, wala nang tagalog, wala nang bisaya, wala nang moro, kundi tayo ay mga pilipino.. wag na tayong magpataasan ng ihi, wag na tayong magpayabangan, wag na tayo magnakawan, wag na tayo magdayaan, bagkus, tulungan natin iahon ang isa't isa... mabuhay ang pilipinas...
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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2008, 10:20:17 pm »
idea ulit....

mag endorso tayo ng isang tao n pwdeng maging presidente ng bansa who has an incorruptible mind, has all the qualities of becoming a good leader ......and most of all may itlog n kayang bumangga sa mga pasaway sa lipunan at gobyerno.... and lahat dito n mga co spies who replied to this thread and believes in the good ay magiging kanyang mga Advisers.

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Re: The Final Solution: Let's buy an island and create a new Filipino nation
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2008, 11:43:05 pm »
I got your point SG

The theory of SG if the environment itself was the main source of corruption so we must go to a another island.

but we must consider
1. All land in this planet earth were already owned therefore if we buy some island or land we must follow rules and regulations in that country but still the main concept is the environment. if we want to buy a land we must go to a country with full of values and justice

2. There are millions of Filipinos overseas we can solicit for Funds

3. Ask the UN for recommendations

4. Buy a land

5. gather first filipino settlers

and so on and so forth

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a single overseas filipino will donate 1$ every week and we have 48 weeks in a year therefore one Filipino can donate 48 $ per year and in America alone we have 4 Million pinoys 48x4 Million =192,000,000 Dollars per year or 7,680,000,000 Billion pesos (in x40 conversion) in 5 years 960,000,000 Million dollars it is enough to pay our debt or use it to buy a promise land