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SABAH STANDOFF
« on: March 01, 2013, 05:08:03 am »
I smell sabotage due to the timing, since meron pa namang on going negotiations between MILF nad GPH ???

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Re: SABAH STANDOUT
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2013, 05:26:12 am »
May pagka prodigal son lang talaga ang Sultan ng Sulu! Ano bang minimithi niya? mabalik sa Pilipinas ang Sabah o para sa pansariling kapakanan lang niya!?

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Re: SABAH STANDOUT
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2013, 06:33:00 am »
I smell sabotage due to the timing, since meron pa namang on going negotiations between MILF nad GPH ???

First of all wala talaga akong alam sa side ng kiram royalty and including sabah. But wala ng paraan na mapasakanila yung sabah, they dont even know how will affect that kind of situation regarding territorial issues. They only think their own emotions. Para sa kanila "Give to ceasar what is due to ceasar" without knowing what will be the outcome

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Re: SABAH STANDOUT
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2013, 08:29:49 am »
Nung time ni Marcos, active pa ang claim ng Pinas sa Sabah. In fact, sa mga mapa nun at pati sa school, tinuturo na kaparte ng Pinas ang Sabah. I don't agree with the current Sultan of Sulu's methods, but they do genuinely believe he is the rightful sovereign of Sabah.

If you go back to history, never naman tinanggap ng mga taga-Mindanao na nasakop sila ng mga Kastila or Amerikano. Hindi rin naman naging successful ung mga dayuhan. Nakipagkasundo lang sila sa mga taga-Mindanao na "walang pakialaman".

Pero since ang internationally recognized authority that time sa Pinas e mga Kastila, nung natalo sila ng mga Kano, binigay nila pati ung Mindanao, na hindi naman talaga under sa kanila. At nung binigay nila ung Mindanao, hindi kasama ung Sabah kasi at that time, pina-"rentahan" ng Sultan ng Sulu (at that time). And until now, nagbabayad pa rin ang Sabah sa Sultan ng Sulu.

I doubt na sabotage ang motibo. Sa palagay ko nga eto ang indirect result ng success ng peace process.

After napatalsik si Marcos, biglang bagsak ang ekonomiya natin. Dati, si Marcos at mga crony nya lang ang "anak ng Diyos". Pero nung napatalsik sya, kanya-kanyang agawan ng kapangyarihan. Marami problema sa Pinas nun at hindi na nasuportahan ng gobyerno ang claim sa Sabah. As you know, lumakas nang lumakas ang MNLF at later MILF. Naging magulo sa Mindanao.

Ngayong napayapa na ung dalawang grupo (which ironically e laging namamagitna dati ang Malaysia para mapag-usap ang gobyerno natin at ung mga MNLF/MILF leaders). I wouldn't be surprised kung ang "royal army" na nasa Sabah ngayon e dating mga rebelde. Ung mga grenade launcher, M16 at M14 na sinasabing dala-dala nila e standard mong makikita sa mga footage ng MNLF/MILF camps dati.

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Re: SABAH STANDOUT
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2013, 10:58:03 am »
Nung time ni Marcos, active pa ang claim ng Pinas sa Sabah. In fact, sa mga mapa nun at pati sa school, tinuturo na kaparte ng Pinas ang Sabah. I don't agree with the current Sultan of Sulu's methods, but they do genuinely believe he is the rightful sovereign of Sabah.

If you go back to history, never naman tinanggap ng mga taga-Mindanao na nasakop sila ng mga Kastila or Amerikano. Hindi rin naman naging successful ung mga dayuhan. Nakipagkasundo lang sila sa mga taga-Mindanao na "walang pakialaman".

Pero since ang internationally recognized authority that time sa Pinas e mga Kastila, nung natalo sila ng mga Kano, binigay nila pati ung Mindanao, na hindi naman talaga under sa kanila. At nung binigay nila ung Mindanao, hindi kasama ung Sabah kasi at that time, pina-"rentahan" ng Sultan ng Sulu (at that time). And until now, nagbabayad pa rin ang Sabah sa Sultan ng Sulu.

I doubt na sabotage ang motibo. Sa palagay ko nga eto ang indirect result ng success ng peace process.

After napatalsik si Marcos, biglang bagsak ang ekonomiya natin. Dati, si Marcos at mga crony nya lang ang "anak ng Diyos". Pero nung napatalsik sya, kanya-kanyang agawan ng kapangyarihan. Marami problema sa Pinas nun at hindi na nasuportahan ng gobyerno ang claim sa Sabah. As you know, lumakas nang lumakas ang MNLF at later MILF. Naging magulo sa Mindanao.

Ngayong napayapa na ung dalawang grupo (which ironically e laging namamagitna dati ang Malaysia para mapag-usap ang gobyerno natin at ung mga MNLF/MILF leaders). I wouldn't be surprised kung ang "royal army" na nasa Sabah ngayon e dating mga rebelde. Ung mga grenade launcher, M16 at M14 na sinasabing dala-dala nila e standard mong makikita sa mga footage ng MNLF/MILF camps dati.


me kulang yata nung time ni marcos nangyari ang jabiddah massacre. mga taong sinanay para pwersahin kunin ang Sabah....

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Re: SABAH STANDOUT
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2013, 11:03:33 am »
 ;D napansin ko lang ang title TS... parang mas maayos kung SABAH STANDOFF...  ;D

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Re: SABAH STANDOUT
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2013, 11:30:34 am »
;D napansin ko lang ang title TS... parang mas maayos kung SABAH STANDOFF...  ;D

hahaha! pero seriously...

i dont care about sa sultan ng sulu at sabah dahil may trouble pa sa legitimacy ng pagiging tagapagmana nila, BUT i agree that sabah is part of the philippines. naabutan ko ung time na sa mga maps at books ay parte ng Pilipinas ang sabah. i also think that the malaysians being part of the negotiations between the mnlf and milf is a disadvantage for our country because of their vested interests.
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Re: SABAH STANDOUT
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2013, 12:44:42 pm »
OO nga tol diko napansin ;D
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Re: SABAH STANDOUT
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2013, 12:57:11 pm »
hahaha! pero seriously...

i dont care about sa sultan ng sulu at sabah dahil may trouble pa sa legitimacy ng pagiging tagapagmana nila, BUT i agree that sabah is part of the philippines. naabutan ko ung time na sa mga maps at books ay parte ng Pilipinas ang sabah. i also think that the malaysians being part of the negotiations between the mnlf and milf is a disadvantage for our country because of their vested interests.

Hehehe... Kakatapos lang namin magtalo nung GF ko. Taga-Sabah sya e. In fairness to Malaysia, they see themselves as emerging leaders among muslim nations lalo na sa South East Asia. I don't see it as a disadvantage kasi there was really a time na walang tiwala ung mga rebeldeng muslim sa gobyerno natin. And I don't blame them. Marami nga sa atin ngayon na wala pa ring tiwala sa gobyerno e.

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Re: SABAH STANDOFF
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2013, 12:04:24 pm »
It has been decided long ago that sabah is part of malaysia. If the royalty of kiram insist of taking sabah by force, they should migrate to malaysia first and do not drag the integrity of the republic due to their own personal interest. >:(

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Re: SABAH STANDOFF
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2013, 12:27:36 pm »
I find it odd that Nur Misuari denounced Malaysia on television as a colonial power while conveniently ignoring Sultan Jamalul Kiram III's request that the United Nations, the United States, and the United Kingdom intervene in the conflict in Sabah.
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Re: SABAH STANDOFF
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2013, 12:52:25 pm »
I find it odd that Nur Misuari denounced Malaysia on television as a colonial power while conveniently ignoring Sultan Jamalul Kiram III's request that the United Nations, the United States, and the United Kingdom intervene in the conflict in Sabah.

It's in the context of their statements. Tinawag ni Nur na colonial power ang Malaysia for "occupying" Sabah. The Sultan on the other hand, e nag-re-request sa UK dahil sila ang nagpasa sa Malaysia ng "lease". Sa US, as a former occupying power sa Pinas na nakakaalam din ng history ng Sabah. In fact they have helped the cause before napatalsik si Marcos.

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Re: SABAH STANDOFF
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2013, 12:59:48 pm »
It's in the context of their statements. Tinawag ni Nur na colonial power ang Malaysia for "occupying" Sabah. The Sultan on the other hand, e nag-re-request sa UK dahil sila ang nagpasa sa Malaysia ng "lease". Sa US, as a former occupying power sa Pinas na nakakaalam din ng history ng Sabah. In fact they have helped the cause before napatalsik si Marcos.

If that's the case, why didn't Sultan Kiram do that in the first place if he had that option?
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Re: SABAH STANDOFF
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2013, 06:14:17 pm »
Kung hindi ginawa ni Kiram ang ginawa nyang pag occupy ng lupa nya, sa tingin nyo ba ay mapag uusapan ang claim ng Pinas sa Sabah? At kung hindi na tyempo ang kanyang ginawa sa election natin at sa kasabayang election sa Malaysia, magkakaron kaya ng panahon si Senyor Simyon na pag aralan ito? In history, men have embarked on acts of brinkmanship and this act of Kiram is one of those.  It is to force our government to do something viz his legal and historical claim. If Senyor Simyon allows the massacre of Filipinos in Sabah, he will forever be damned in the eyes of history as a politician who can never stand for what is right and for abandoning Filipinos in their time of need. Surely, Senyor Simyon is being selfish in rattling charges against the Kirams but he can never close his eyes to the fact that he is now forced to pursue our historic claim.  Otherwise, he faces impeachment for allowing the dismemberment of the country which is a violation of the Constitution.  Hindi rin natin pwede sabihin na pabayaan ang mga Kiram dahil ang pinaglalaban nila ay parte ng Pilipinas. I know na matatapos din yan in eight months. In the next few weeks, magkakaron pa ng mas higit na fireworks to make it more dramatic. In the end, there will be a pragmatic political and business arrangement that will benefit the Kirams, Malaysia and the Philippines.

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Re: SABAH STANDOFF
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2013, 03:03:45 am »
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It has been decided long ago that sabah is part of malaysia. If the royalty of kiram insist of taking sabah by force, they should migrate to malaysia first and do not drag the integrity of the republic due to their own personal interest.

talagang sa atin yan tol sabi nga ng isang doctorate degree na na interview Sabah is ours historically, politically, sociologically it is a part of Pinas

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my Uncle told me that they were forced to be train as a soldier a reserve forces even they like it or not at that time they were confused to the agenda of Macapagal ngayon pala e aatakihin nila ang SABAH at that time Malaysia is weak pero nag-stop ang yung agenda dahil election noon

Marcos
also prepared to attack Sabah pero this time mautak na Malaysia  nag-finance ang Malaysia ng local rebels sa Mindanao para maalis yung attention ni Marcos sa Sabah

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madami ng beses nag-submit ang mga kiram sa international court ang problema tol ang problema kaya natatalo ang pinas sa korte or di umuusad ang kaso sa korte dahil "LACK OF INTEREST" sa part ng gobyerno natin

tama si Gk PNOY administration will do something now pero his ignorance ipapakulong nya si Kiram malaking gulo yan i hope may mag-advice ng maganda sa presidente mas maganda manahimik na lang sya
 

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Re: SABAH STANDOFF
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2013, 07:50:40 am »
talagang sa atin yan tol sabi nga ng isang doctorate degree na na interview Sabah is ours historically, politically, sociologically it is a part of Pinas

Dado Macapagal
my Uncle told me that they were forced to be train as a soldier a reserve forces even they like it or not at that time they were confused to the agenda of Macapagal ngayon pala e aatakihin nila ang SABAH at that time Malaysia is weak pero nag-stop ang yung agenda dahil election noon

Marcos
also prepared to attack Sabah pero this time mautak na Malaysia  nag-finance ang Malaysia ng local rebels sa Mindanao para maalis yung attention ni Marcos sa Sabah

yellow ribbon era
madami ng beses nag-submit ang mga kiram sa international court ang problema tol ang problema kaya natatalo ang pinas sa korte or di umuusad ang kaso sa korte dahil "LACK OF INTEREST" sa part ng gobyerno natin

tama si Gk PNOY administration will do something now pero his ignorance ipapakulong nya si Kiram malaking gulo yan i hope may mag-advice ng maganda sa presidente mas maganda manahimik na lang sya
 
100% tama ka talga tol ginawa nila ito upang i dvert attention ng claim natin sa sabah.
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Re: SABAH STANDOFF
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2013, 08:59:46 am »
mahabang giyera yan...kahit maubos yung mga tauhan ng mga kiram dun.. mag crecreate parin yan sila trouble kasi LUPA na pinag uusapan dyan.. at especially mga tausog yung kadamihan ng taohan ni kiram.. hindi sila papayag ng settlement2x ng government...  patay kung patay yan.. advantage lang talaga natin .. MGA BATTLE TESTED na yang mga kapatid nating muslim.. especially yung tribe na tausog... to the last MAN yan... :(

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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2013, 09:29:58 am »
basta ako pabor ako maangkin ang sabbah para lumawak ang pinas hahahaha



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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2013, 09:10:22 am »
Yung Hacienda Luisita mula 1968 di pa napapamigay sa pilipino, tapos yung Sabah ganun ganun lang? Pababayaan?   :applause
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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2013, 11:09:12 am »
its in our constitution... it belongs to our sovereignty...

Republic Act No. 5446 :

AN ACT TO AMEND SECTION ONE OF REPUBLIC ACT NUMBERED THIRTY HUNDRED AND FORTY-SIX, ENTITLED "AN ACT TO DEFINE THE BASELINES OF THE TERRITORIAL SEA OF THE PHILIPPINES"

Section 2. The definition of the baselines of the territorial sea of the Philippine Archipelago as provided in this Act is without prejudice to the delineation of the baselines of the territorial sea around the territory of Sabah, situated in North Borneo, over which the Republic of the Philippines has acquired dominion and sovereignty.

common sense would tell us that it belongs to us...the question is not that is it a loss cause rather what will be do about it..."you are my boss" he said...but from my point of view hes not weighing out everything....

sabah is actually ours...it has been ours and it is actually ours but the question is, will it be ours tomorrow if we within our own country is not sure about our ownership on it?

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Re: SABAH STANDOFF
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2013, 05:48:08 pm »
Lintek na!!!!  Kulang na banana que sa Pinas kunin na ulit ang Sabah!!!

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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2013, 08:55:46 pm »
mahabang giyera yan...kahit maubos yung mga tauhan ng mga kiram dun.. mag crecreate parin yan sila trouble kasi LUPA na pinag uusapan dyan.. at especially mga tausog yung kadamihan ng taohan ni kiram.. hindi sila papayag ng settlement2x ng government...  patay kung patay yan.. advantage lang talaga natin .. MGA BATTLE TESTED na yang mga kapatid nating muslim.. especially yung tribe na tausog... to the last MAN yan... :(

Yan ang kinakatakot ko sa Sabah. Mukhang hindi naiintindihan ng gobyerno nila ung problema. Tinatrato nilang common criminals sila Kiram at iniisip nilang kailangan lang nilang ubusin ung mga tauhan nya para matapos ung gulo. Matutulad sila sa Mindanao. Kapag nagkainitan, magiging "ordinaryong mamamayan" sina Kiram. Kapag nagrelax gobyerno, saka uli maglilitawan ung grupo nila. Hindi nila naiisip ang magiging epekto nito sa ekonomiya. Isa pa, nagsimula na ring madamay ung mga tausug at badjao na locals nila. Kapag nagpatuloy pa yan makikisali na rin yang mga local.

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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2013, 09:02:21 pm »
If that's the case, why didn't Sultan Kiram do that in the first place if he had that option?

Kasi wala naman silang impluwensya noon sa US at UK. Alam nyo naman kung gaano kahaba ang pila sa embassy nung dalawa. Para lang yun sa mga nag-aapply ng visa. Paano pa kung ang request e hindi naman karaniwang service ng embassy. Baka mawala lang ung request gaya nung request na pinadala nila sa gobyerno natin. Ngayong lumaki na ung issue, mapapansin na ung request nila.

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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2013, 11:52:13 pm »
Kasi wala naman silang impluwensya noon sa US at UK. Alam nyo naman kung gaano kahaba ang pila sa embassy nung dalawa. Para lang yun sa mga nag-aapply ng visa. Paano pa kung ang request e hindi naman karaniwang service ng embassy. Baka mawala lang ung request gaya nung request na pinadala nila sa gobyerno natin. Ngayong lumaki na ung issue, mapapansin na ung request nila.

Unfortunately, this act of hubris may come back to haunt not only them but the rest of the Philippines. We might well have a historical basis for our claim to Sabah but it's still a Malaysian state at present. What the Kirams' followers did was an armed extraterritorial incursion, no two ways about it.
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