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Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« on: August 12, 2011, 05:01:59 pm »
A Mindanao-based Catholic bishop is wary over the reported proposed establishment of a Bangsamoro sub-state in Mindanao.
Basilan Bishop Martin Jumoad said he is wary of the proposal as it is within the context of the memorandum on ancestral domain (MOA-AD) the Supreme Court junked in 2008.
“If the provisions and components of the 'sub-state' are that of the MOA-AD, then, there are reasons to be apprehensive on this issue," said Jumoad, in an article posted on the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines news site.
Jumoad called on the Benigno Aquino III administration and the MILF to avoid a repeat of the problems that surrounded the MOA-AD.
He stressed that there should be transparency in the negotiations.
“This issue must be discussed and brought to the village-level. Consultations must be exhaustive and should not be done in a hurry because a small mistake may result in a life-long regret," he said.
On Thursday, former North Cotabato Gov. Emmanuel Piñol questioned the government's negotiating with the MILF over the supposed sub-state.
Earlier reports indicated MILF chief peace negotiator Mohagher Iqbal admitted that the establishment of a Bangsamoro sub-state was a “re-frame" of the MOA-AD.
The Supreme Court in 2008 rejected the MOA-AD as unconstitutional, triggering several attacks on some parts of Mindanao by so-called MILF "rogue" commanders.
Piñol said it is unacceptable how a controversial agreement is now being used to pave the way for a new peace pact with the MILF.
Bishops seek transparency
Although they "trust" President Aquino did not do anything "prejudicial to Christians," Catholic bishops still urged him to disclose the details of his talks with MILF officials in Japan last week.
Bishops Pedro Arigo (Puerto Princesa) and Dinualdo Gutierrez (Marbel) said the people are entitled to know what transpired during the meeting.
“We can trust President Aquino, but it is good to ask for transparency," Arigo said in an interview on Church-run Radio Veritas.
Excerpts of the interview were posted on the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines news site.
For his part, Gutierrez called for vigilance, saying, “Agreements should not be done in secret. The public should be told about it."
Malacañang had insisted there was no agreement forged during the "secret" meeting in Japan last August 4.
Palace officials also insisted the meeting was an attempt to kick-start the peace talks.
Cagayan de Oro Archbishop Antonio Ledesma, who chairs the CBCP Commission on Inter-religious Dialogue, also insisted on transparency even if he agreed that the meeting in Japan was one step to advance the Mindanao peace negotiations. — LBG, GMA News



bat kaya napakapakialamero ng CBCP..anu ba sila..pari o politiko???

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2011, 06:10:16 pm »
mmmm ala atang nakapaloob don na sub-state base sa MOA-AD

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2011, 06:26:30 pm »
ano ba yung sub state na yan? may mabebenefit ba tayo diyan? bakit parang hostage tayo ng rebelde sa sarili nating bansa? ???

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2011, 06:36:09 pm »
Akala ko kung anong MILF..............

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2011, 06:49:22 pm »
sa totoo lang walang kinalaman un MOA-AD jan eh...iaabolish ang ARMM then gagawa lang ng Bangsamoro Sub-state..pero under parin sila sa Pilipinas. PILIPINO PARIN SILA!

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2011, 06:55:28 pm »
A Mindanao-based Catholic bishop is wary over the reported proposed establishment of a Bangsamoro sub-state in Mindanao.
Basilan Bishop Martin Jumoad said he is wary of the proposal as it is within the context of the memorandum on ancestral domain (MOA-AD) the Supreme Court junked in 2008.
“If the provisions and components of the 'sub-state' are that of the MOA-AD, then, there are reasons to be apprehensive on this issue," said Jumoad, in an article posted on the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines news site.
Jumoad called on the Benigno Aquino III administration and the MILF to avoid a repeat of the problems that surrounded the MOA-AD.
He stressed that there should be transparency in the negotiations.
“This issue must be discussed and brought to the village-level. Consultations must be exhaustive and should not be done in a hurry because a small mistake may result in a life-long regret," he said.
On Thursday, former North Cotabato Gov. Emmanuel Piñol questioned the government's negotiating with the MILF over the supposed sub-state.
Earlier reports indicated MILF chief peace negotiator Mohagher Iqbal admitted that the establishment of a Bangsamoro sub-state was a “re-frame" of the MOA-AD.
The Supreme Court in 2008 rejected the MOA-AD as unconstitutional, triggering several attacks on some parts of Mindanao by so-called MILF "rogue" commanders.
Piñol said it is unacceptable how a controversial agreement is now being used to pave the way for a new peace pact with the MILF.
Bishops seek transparency
Although they "trust" President Aquino did not do anything "prejudicial to Christians," Catholic bishops still urged him to disclose the details of his talks with MILF officials in Japan last week.
Bishops Pedro Arigo (Puerto Princesa) and Dinualdo Gutierrez (Marbel) said the people are entitled to know what transpired during the meeting.
“We can trust President Aquino, but it is good to ask for transparency," Arigo said in an interview on Church-run Radio Veritas.
Excerpts of the interview were posted on the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines news site.
For his part, Gutierrez called for vigilance, saying, “Agreements should not be done in secret. The public should be told about it."
Malacañang had insisted there was no agreement forged during the "secret" meeting in Japan last August 4.
Palace officials also insisted the meeting was an attempt to kick-start the peace talks.
Cagayan de Oro Archbishop Antonio Ledesma, who chairs the CBCP Commission on Inter-religious Dialogue, also insisted on transparency even if he agreed that the meeting in Japan was one step to advance the Mindanao peace negotiations. — LBG, GMA News



bat kaya napakapakialamero ng CBCP..anu ba sila..pari o politiko???
Nabulilyaso kasi ang Pajero nila kaya umaalma na naman si Padre Damaso. smoking:: smoking::

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2011, 07:26:36 pm »
pag napagbigyan ang MILF may susulpot na naman na bagong grupo at paulit ulit lang...dapat palakasin ang pwersa ng pilipinas para lipulin lahat ng mga kumakalaban sa gobyerno, kasama ang NPA...

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2011, 08:08:03 pm »
kung sa bagay my karapatan talga mga muslim sa mindanao...in fact ang mindanao lang ang island na hindi totaly nasakop ng sinumang dayuhan

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2011, 08:33:53 pm »
Ang tingin ko dito ay parang ARMM na mas malawak ang "kapangyarihan" ang gusto ng MILF. Mga Muslim ang nais nilang mamahala ng buong Mindanao pati siguro yung batas ay dapat nakabase sa Muslim law tulad ng sa ibang Muslim countries pero under pa din sila ng national government.

Pananaw ko lang yan dahil wala pa talagang nilalabas na specifics dahil pinag uusapan pa lang yung details, kumbaga formality at simula lang yung pagmeet ng pangulo and MILF leader, mahaba pang usapan yan at siguradong dadaan pa sa kamay ng mga magigiting natin na pulitiko ang lahat ng details nyan tapos sa huli ay plebiscite.

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2011, 11:11:46 pm »
Kaya dumarami yan mga ganyan ABC or DEF or MILF or XYZD ay dahil walang bayag ang mga lider to confront yan mga yan.  Nun pinagbobomba ni Mr. Andy yang MNLF ay nagtatakbo si Mr. Nur sa Saudi.  Kung bakit pag upo ni Ms. Cory ay binigyan ito ng importansya at may peace agreement pa daw kuno eh di naman na kailangan ng peace agreement at that time dahil nagtatago na nga si Mr. Nur sa Saudi Arabia so in effect eh wala na ngang pwersa yan mga yan.  Now, nun may nakaisip na wala na ang MNLF ay nagsiga sigaan naman ang isang grupo na tinawag nila ang sarili na MILF at nagpasikat at nagpapansin.  Sumakay naman mga militar kasi justification yan ng mas malaking budget for the military.

Nun pinagbobomba na naman yan MILF ni Mr. Erap ay mga nagsipangatog na naman kanilang mga tuhod.  Di ba nga nagkaron pa ng malaking laban sa Narciso Highway. Nangawala sila.  Now, binuhay na naman yan nun panahon ni Ms. Glorya at naging mas sikat pa.  Maski ano sabihin nila na substate, subprovince, subtown, subbarrio ay pare-pareho lang yan na semantics - gusto nila na meron silang territory na sila ang siga at walang makikialam sa kanila sa teritoryo na yun.  Of course, pag wala kang bayag na presidente at bakla ay papayag ka kuno, mag negotiate kuno pero in effect eh ginagawa mo yan dahil wala kang dibdib na gerahin yan.  As Mr. Donald Trump always say, you have to negotiate only from a position of strength.  Its a component of governance na minsan, may mamamatay at kailangan nya gawin yan if only to show a semblance of control and power over these people. Otherwise, they will take him as a weakling and propose anything to him and most probably, Mr. Benigno will comply.

Gusto nila ma control ang gas and oil deposit sa Liguasan Marsh - that's the richest gas and oil deposit in the whole world so they want the substate created in that area.  Tinakpan yan ni Mr. Andy before para hindi ma disturb ang presyo ng langis.  Without even creating that substate, what the government should do is just start exploration works in the area - never mind the MILF.  Pag nag produce na yan, ma etse pwera na rin MILF at wala sila pagkukunan ng pera para magsiga sigaan at di na rin nila maigigiit yang substate kuno.  How can they finance a substate na wala pera?

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2011, 12:57:48 am »
Pag pinagbigyan ang mga yan sa gusto nila mas magiging malaking problema ng bansa yan pag tumagal. Hanggang gusto na nilang maging independent, tulad ng nangyari sa Chechnya. Bago naging independent ang Chechnya sa Russia madami muna ang nawalang buhay. Siguradong mas maraming terrorist attack ang gagawin ng MILF na yan pag nagkaroon sila ng power. Opinyon ko lang.
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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2011, 04:14:10 am »
pano ang mga kristyanong nakatira dun? wala na ba silang karapatan? tinatnung ba ng gobyerno kung gusto ng mga tao dun na mapailalim sa bangsa moro? sino ba ang milf? madlang bayan ba sila o mga tao na me armas at funding na magstart ng rebelde? dami ko tanong. alam nyo ba ang sagot?   smoking::

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2011, 07:02:14 am »
Kaya dumarami yan mga ganyan ABC or DEF or MILF or XYZD ay dahil walang bayag ang mga lider to confront yan mga yan.  Nun pinagbobomba ni Mr. Andy yang MNLF ay nagtatakbo si Mr. Nur sa Saudi.  Kung bakit pag upo ni Ms. Cory ay binigyan ito ng importansya at may peace agreement pa daw kuno eh di naman na kailangan ng peace agreement at that time dahil nagtatago na nga si Mr. Nur sa Saudi Arabia so in effect eh wala na ngang pwersa yan mga yan.  Now, nun may nakaisip na wala na ang MNLF ay nagsiga sigaan naman ang isang grupo na tinawag nila ang sarili na MILF at nagpasikat at nagpapansin.  Sumakay naman mga militar kasi justification yan ng mas malaking budget for the military.

Nun pinagbobomba na naman yan MILF ni Mr. Erap ay mga nagsipangatog na naman kanilang mga tuhod.  Di ba nga nagkaron pa ng malaking laban sa Narciso Highway. Nangawala sila.  Now, binuhay na naman yan nun panahon ni Ms. Glorya at naging mas sikat pa.  Maski ano sabihin nila na substate, subprovince, subtown, subbarrio ay pare-pareho lang yan na semantics - gusto nila na meron silang territory na sila ang siga at walang makikialam sa kanila sa teritoryo na yun.  Of course, pag wala kang bayag na presidente at bakla ay papayag ka kuno, mag negotiate kuno pero in effect eh ginagawa mo yan dahil wala kang dibdib na gerahin yan.  As Mr. Donald Trump always say, you have to negotiate only from a position of strength.  Its a component of governance na minsan, may mamamatay at kailangan nya gawin yan if only to show a semblance of control and power over these people. Otherwise, they will take him as a weakling and propose anything to him and most probably, Mr. Benigno will comply.

Gusto nila ma control ang gas and oil deposit sa Liguasan Marsh - that's the richest gas and oil deposit in the whole world so they want the substate created in that area.  Tinakpan yan ni Mr. Andy before para hindi ma disturb ang presyo ng langis.  Without even creating that substate, what the government should do is just start exploration works in the area - never mind the MILF.  Pag nag produce na yan, ma etse pwera na rin MILF at wala sila pagkukunan ng pera para magsiga sigaan at di na rin nila maigigiit yang substate kuno.  How can they finance a substate na wala pera?



boss cnu c mr ANDY??? heheheh tanung lang...

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2011, 07:57:36 am »
magandang topic po to.. pero sana hindi matuloy kasi maraming kawawa mga taga mindanao ang mahaharass ng mga milf.. mapa muslim man o kristyano..

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2011, 03:15:40 pm »
Sa madlang pipol, tinatawag si Ferdinand Marcos na Ferdie.  Pero sa totoo lang, Andy talaga tawag sa kanya.  Parang si Sen. Guingona, tawag sa kanya ng madlang pipol ay TG Guingona.  Pero sa totoo lang, tawag sa kanya ay Tootsie.  Tunay na pangalan ni Mar Roxas ay Manuel Araneta Roxas. So yun MAR ay actually acronym na ng pangalan nya.  So pag sinabi mong MAR Roxas ay para mo sinabi na Manuel Araneta Roxas Roxas.  Manuel sya so di ba natural lang na dapat tawagin syang Manny? Or MAR lang at wala na Roxas.

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2011, 04:17:38 pm »
charter change :(

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2011, 04:45:52 pm »


Pero kung relihiyon ang pinaglalaban nila, kailangan ba nilang magkaroon ng sariling estado sa Pilipinas?

Hindi ba at ang Pilipinas ay para sa mga pilipino at hindi sa kung anong relihiyon ang mas laganap sa isang lalawigan.

Hindi dapat nagsasanib ang relihiyon at pulitika dahil talagang labanan ng mga paniniwala ang mangyayari.

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2011, 07:11:08 pm »
kung gagawin yan sub state e lalong mang-aabuso ang mga yan

tama yun na gagawa ulit sila ng armed group para pagbigyan sila tapos mag-aalsa ano na susunod buong Pinas

dapat bago pagbigyan yan e kunin mo nila yung Sabah at yung ang gawin sub state di Minadanao


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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2011, 11:19:42 pm »
Hindi dapat mangyari yan. Put@#@$#%@ nila sinisigaw nila sakanila daw ang Mindanao, eh pano kung tayo makikisigaw? sa atin ang Luzon? mga taga Visayas sakanila ang Visayas? nasan na ang Pilipinas?

Lalong gugulo ang Pilipinas kapag ganyan mangyayari, na Spoil sila sa mahabang panahon after Erap dapat naman putulin sungay ng mga yan ngayon.

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2011, 11:56:52 pm »
pag napagbigyan ang MILF may susulpot na naman na bagong grupo at paulit ulit lang...dapat palakasin ang pwersa ng pilipinas para lipulin lahat ng mga kumakalaban sa gobyerno, kasama ang NPA...

malabo ito dahil nakikinabang rin ang gobyerno sa kanila. tsk tsk


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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2011, 06:50:22 pm »
malabo ito dahil nakikinabang rin ang gobyerno sa kanila. tsk tsk

Sa papanong paraan?

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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2011, 08:02:44 pm »
bakit kasi nila pinipilit ilayo ang mga sarili nila?

di ko sila masisisi kasi... may mga taon katulad niyo na pag muslim e iba na tingin.

masiyadong malaki ang discrimination.

meron akong schoolmate may time na nadadaanan ko, sa tabi ng stairs, nakalatag ng carpet at nagdadasal,

e ako na dumadaan sa baguio cathedral araw araw papasok ng school e hindi manlang makapasok, from that moment lumaki ang respeto ko sakanila ng sobra.
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Re: Bishop questions MILF 'sub-state' proposal
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2011, 02:57:21 pm »
Nadidiscriminate sila dahil dun sa mga PU@!#$$@#% Abusayaf at MILF or Terorista..

Lahat satin basta muslim sigurado yan ang nakatatak sa atin.. Kung pwede lang talaga ubusin na lang dapat mga yan, sila lang ang sumisira sa Imahe ng Mindanao pati tuloy mga inosenteng Mindanaoan nabrabrainwash na nila.